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Since common sense isn’t that common anymore...
https://www.prageru.com/video/capitalism-vs-socialism/
Like most of what PragerU puts out, that's an excellent video.
heard a few folks here comment how they are idiots and do not know anything :) ironic cause ones like this with the former CEO of such a huge company vs some lefty ranter is always funny that they do not know how things really work :)
and of course when the video quotes the leader of Denmark that Denmark are not socialists so quit pointing to us as how socialism works the left then says to the leader of Denmark I am a lefty from the US you are socialist what do you know :)
just like when the guy from Sweden did the same thing we are not socialist !!!! but the left says YES you are you idiot
but yeah the left needs to see and hear this but they wont again like the lefties even here refuse the truth ?
sundance435
03-05-19, 08:19
The scary thing is that when you look at effective tax rates among perceived "socialist" countries, we aren't too terribly far below them, especially when you consider what they're getting out of it vs. us.
sundance435
03-05-19, 10:43
Found this today:
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-truth-about-sweden-20190304-story.html
No idea how accurate it is, but it paints a basic picture for the next time "Sweden" comes up in a political discussion/argument.
The scary thing is that when you look at effective tax rates among perceived "socialist" countries, we aren't too terribly far below them, especially when you consider what they're getting out of it vs. us.
YUP if we learned how not to overspend and we could stop them from STEALING all our money and giving it to their fat friends who have a business who just happens to be what the huge money is about ! and sure they are more but worth it
Wasteful spending and corruption are a big part of the reason things aren't working over here.
Leftists intentionally trying to ruin our country being another.
Capitalism is letting your daughter sell her body.
Socialism is telling your daughter she should share her body with anyone and everyone.
Either way the things you love end up getting fvcked
hotrodder636
03-05-19, 13:13
That is one hell of an analogy...
Capitalism is letting your daughter sell her body.
Socialism is telling your daughter she should share her body with anyone and everyone.
Either way the things you love end up getting fvcked
One thing that might not help, but certainly can't hurt, on not causing the leftist cause to be as enticing to as many is to stop referring to cronyism as being free market capitalism.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/398593-crony-capitalism-is-just-socialism-lite
https://mises.org/library/truth-about-robber-barons
https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/alexander-hamilton-and-american-progressivism
BoringGuy45
03-05-19, 14:27
The scary thing is that when you look at effective tax rates among perceived "socialist" countries, we aren't too terribly far below them, especially when you consider what they're getting out of it vs. us.
Yep. In a lot of those countries, especially Scandinavia, while it's true that taxes are higher, one can still can make a profit; there's still an incentive to earn to money and not just rely on others. Higher skilled jobs do pay more there, and the more you do, the more you earn. That's not socialism, that's capitalism.
As jsbhike said, we don't have a true capitalist system; we have a crony capitalist economy, which is, in fact, mostly just socialism masquerading as capitalism. Politicians make sure that companies they either own, have stock in, sit on a board for, or who contribute to their campaigns control the economy, set prices, stamp out competition, and even force people to buy their services.
Capitalism is letting your daughter sell her body.
Socialism is telling your daughter she should share her body with anyone and everyone.
Either way the things you love end up getting fvcked
But with Capitalism she will be able to afford a good therapist........ ;)
But with Capitalism she will be able to afford a good therapist........ ;)
Yeah....he’s also her best john :jester:
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My two cents on the topic.
Business_Casual
03-05-19, 17:19
Capitalism is letting your daughter sell her body.
Socialism is telling your daughter she should share her body with anyone and everyone.
Either way the things you love end up getting fvcked
No, capitalism is voluntary transactions, period. I have a dollar. You have a pencil. I want the pencil more than I want the dollar and vice versa. We agree to exchange the dollar for the pencil. I haven’t met your daughter, but I’m sure she is a fine young lady.
Socialism is involuntary transactions. You make what and how the government tells you to make and for what price. No exchange of value, hence the reason it always fails.
No, capitalism is voluntary transactions, period. I have a dollar. You have a pencil. I want the pencil more than I want the dollar and vice versa. We agree to exchange the dollar for the pencil. I haven’t met your daughter, but I’m sure she is a fine young lady.
Socialism is involuntary transactions. You make what and how the government tells you to make and for what price. No exchange of value, hence the reason it always fails.
Capitalism’s greatest benefit is also its greatest flaw: You can buy and sell anything.
And as is always the case, those with the greatest majority of something also determines its worth and value.
Never never never confuse mercantilism with Capitalism. Because you are trading a government with a bank.
The government may enslave and kill you. The bank just hires people to do that for them.
I am far, far, far from anything resembling a Socialist, but when it comes to corporatism; damn right I am putting on OG-107s and hiding in hills with AR-10s and latina contras.
Because you never actually own anything anymore. You buy a house because you don’t like paying rent but then you get to pay property taxes.
Wee. All because the government, your government, owes private individuals simply because they have more money through manipulation of credit and capital.
The_War_Wagon
03-05-19, 18:56
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Bernie_Sanders_Difference_Socialist.jpg
Capitalism’s greatest benefit is also its greatest flaw: You can buy and sell anything.
And as is always the case, those with the greatest majority of something also determines its worth and value.
Never never never confuse mercantilism with Capitalism. Because you are trading a government with a bank.
The government may enslave and kill you. The bank just hires people to do that for them.
I am far, far, far from anything resembling a Socialist, but when it comes to corporatism; damn right I am putting on OG-107s and hiding in hills with AR-10s and latina contras.
Because you never actually own anything anymore. You buy a house because you don’t like paying rent but then you get to pay property taxes.
Wee. All because the government, your government, owes private individuals simply because they have more money through manipulation of credit and capital.
That's the crony capitalism thing, which isn't capitalism at all.
I honestly think crony capitalism is a large part of the attraction to leftist causes. Way, way, way too many people who fly the conservative flag refer to crony capitalism as being free market as do leftists. One side claims anyone calling it a sham is just jealous and lazy while the other side claims they will fix it which has been proven to be false also.
That's the crony capitalism thing, which isn't capitalism at all.
I honestly think crony capitalism is a large part of the attraction to leftist causes. Way, way, way too many people who fly the conservative flag refer to crony capitalism as being free market as do leftists. One side claims anyone calling it a sham is just jealous and lazy while the other side claims they will fix it which has been proven to be false also.
“Biy that’s crony capitalism” sounds exactly like “nobody has tried REAL Socialism/Communism yet”
Exploitation is exploitation.
titsonritz
03-05-19, 19:50
It belong here to...
https://socialistra.org/
Dr. Bullseye
03-05-19, 21:15
Did you guys hear what was just said on Hannity? It was great: "The Goal of Socialism is Communism."
This saying pretty much kills the Democrat Socialist Left.
morbidbattlecry
03-05-19, 21:21
Capitalism works best when it works for the middle class, and has some rules and guidance on how to behave.
Business_Casual
03-06-19, 05:13
That's the crony capitalism thing, which isn't capitalism at all.
I honestly think crony capitalism is a large part of the attraction to leftist causes. Way, way, way too many people who fly the conservative flag refer to crony capitalism as being free market as do leftists. One side claims anyone calling it a sham is just jealous and lazy while the other side claims they will fix it which has been proven to be false also.
Agreed. Crony capitalism is the Third Reich to a T.
The_War_Wagon
03-06-19, 07:57
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/1_zpslidos3t9.jpg
QFT.
Don't take this too far, but a lot of "anti-communists" are pro-cronyists. Buy our wares, be our middlemen, but it is against the law to boycott or question us.
There are days when the dollar sign sickens me as much as the hammer and sickle.
I actually wouldnt be pissed every tax season IF I HAD SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR IT.
The streets are in shit shape, most cops are milquetoast and those that aren't have their hands tied, the correctional system is corrupt, and I have to pay while some fat bitch gets to live rent free and pop out all the future criminals her tainted womb can pop out.
I actually felt sorrier or the Alien Queen in Aliens than I do for the ALL TOO REAL alien queens not learning english, bringing over TB, and letting Julio have some anchors whike he gets his cartel on.
The schools aren't allowed to kick out kids anymore so the little thuggy jrs can keep real kids from learning while they impregnate more welfare queens.
I no longer hide my power level. Every time I see some fat bitch with a haul of the good-good shit at the market and she whips out that Peach, SNAP, "Independence" or EBT card....I heartily say "YOU'RE WELCOME" as shitty as I can.
All thanks to "Capitalism", MAGA, and being "compassionate"
If we could jail or sanction Soros, The Rothschilds, and go back to stakeout squads in the hood then we might get somewhere.
Also Reagan was a power tool and the only sketch thing he did I kinda agreed with was arming Right Wing Death Squads in Latin America.
He didn't kill the Soviets, they went broke and we would have too if we kept dumping money into shit that didn't work and wasn't going to happen.
But keep wearing the Republican Beer Goggles....one day you might get your clean streets and humble neighbors if you keeping voting at them....
And what's the solution to all these problems? The system is only as good as the people involved with it...the problem is "us".
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/1_zpslidos3t9.jpg
QFT.
https://www.conservativebookclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/12118895_890831784286087_3337149460641448093_n.jpg
sundance435
03-06-19, 16:10
“Biy that’s crony capitalism” sounds exactly like “nobody has tried REAL Socialism/Communism yet”
Exploitation is exploitation.
Maybe, but no one in recent history has actually tried a real free-market economy. We do live in a crony-capitalist country precisely because the government is involved to the extent that it is. Why is the government involved? Same reason people clamor for more gun laws - they don't trust themselves or are too lazy to be responsible personally. As long as you make it everyone's problem, it's somehow less your problem. Any government, whether socialist or faux-capitalist, will always be used as a tool by those with "more". The only way around that is to not involve the government, or at least really limit its involvement.
Don't take this too far, but a lot of "anti-communists" are pro-cronyists. Buy our wares, be our middlemen, but it is against the law to boycott or question us.
There are days when the dollar sign sickens me as much as the hammer and sickle.
I actually wouldnt be pissed every tax season IF I HAD SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR IT.
The streets are in shit shape, most cops are milquetoast and those that aren't have their hands tied, the correctional system is corrupt, and I have to pay while some fat bitch gets to live rent free and pop out all the future criminals her tainted womb can pop out.
I actually felt sorrier or the Alien Queen in Aliens than I do for the ALL TOO REAL alien queens not learning english, bringing over TB, and letting Julio have some anchors whike he gets his cartel on.
The schools aren't allowed to kick out kids anymore so the little thuggy jrs can keep real kids from learning while they impregnate more welfare queens.
I no longer hide my power level. Every time I see some fat bitch with a haul of the good-good shit at the market and she whips out that Peach, SNAP, "Independence" or EBT card....I heartily say "YOU'RE WELCOME" as shitty as I can.
All thanks to "Capitalism", MAGA, and being "compassionate"
If we could jail or sanction Soros, The Rothschilds, and go back to stakeout squads in the hood then we might get somewhere.
Also Reagan was a power tool and the only sketch thing he did I kinda agreed with was arming Right Wing Death Squads in Latin America.
He didn't kill the Soviets, they went broke and we would have too if we kept dumping money into shit that didn't work and wasn't going to happen.
But keep wearing the Republican Beer Goggles....one day you might get your clean streets and humble neighbors if you keeping voting at them....
Pretty obvious a lot of "anti-communists" are pro-cronyists.
Never been to Latin America, but most everything I have read on it leads me to believe they really double down on the crony capitalism.
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