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VA_Dinger
06-17-06, 05:02
How many mags are you guys running on your first line rigs? Right now I'm running four pistol mags and one AR mag. So far, this seems about right for me. If I use a Redi-mag, this seems like more than enough for most classes. Plus the belt works great for the Blackwater Practical Shooters Steel Challenge matches that I attend whenever I can. All I have to do is switch out the 6004 for my Blade-Tech belt holster and I'm ready to go.


What kind of set-ups are you guys running?

My current set-up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/2004_0117Farm20001.jpg

(1.) Two - Eagle (kydex lined) double 1911 mag pouches
(2.) Eagle MLCS Single M4 FB mag pouch
(3.) Eagle duty belt
(4.) Eagle belt pad
(5.) Eagle Duty Evidence Pouch
(6.) Paraclete small GP pouch
(7.) Safariland 6004 for 1911 w/X200

cohiba
06-17-06, 07:51
I finally got this together and tried it out the other day. These pics are pre-adjustment, the holster had to be lowered, pouches moved, etc. Was trying out how best to grasp the mags as well. "Beercan" grip worked well on the AR mags.

Truth be told my real first line is a black leather dress belt, a black leather holster, my 1911, a couple of mags and a tin of Altoids. I should really stick to training with those but...

The duty belt is Eagle & the molle belt by ICE in MC (Thanks Giff!!!!!!). From left to right: 2 Eagle molle FB 1911 mag pouches in MC, one Eagle molle FB pouch for 4 1911 mags and 2 AR mags (cool pouch), Eagle SAS dump pouch in MC, Eagle molle BOK, HSGI drop leg holster w/2 mag pouches, EGL Gladdysack and Eagle molle pistol pouch (knife within).

This is set up for its use at the range hence the BOK, Gladdysack and knife pouch which are normally on my CIRAS. This should be nice when no vests or armor are required and its hot out, like it is now up here. I tried to ditch the two single FB pouches as 4 go in the other pouch and the holster holds 2 extra but the 2 in the holster are all but impossible to get to in good order and shouldn't be counted on for speed if that is what you require.

Some people have complained about how thick the new Eagle 1911/AR FB pouches are. For a vest maybe that is a concern but they are perfect IMO for a set up like this.

I can also add the 40mm sub load if need be.:D


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/1stlinewine2.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/1stlinewine3.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/1stlinewine4.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/1stlinewine5.jpg

Harv
06-17-06, 09:18
Heres mine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0948.jpg

Ice Tactical Belt pad
2x Eagle M4 FB kydex pouches
1 Tactical Tailor 2 mag pistol pouch
1 Eggroll special pouch for a G2 light
SOE Holster
Maxpedition Rolly Polly dump pouch

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0949.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0951.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0950.jpg

Very comfortable and evenly balanced.

mcgrubbs
06-17-06, 14:02
Honestly, I think some people over do it a bit on war belts.

Mine consists of:

Eagle Belt
CLOCKWISE FROM BUCKLE

Eagle FB pouch for 5.56 mag
SF 6004 with 1.5" UBL
Multi-tool with sheath
MM dump pouch (folded up when not in actual use)
Two more Eagle FB 5.56 pouches
Two Eagle FB pouches for .45 mags

My back-up light is somewhere in my pants. I haven't put on a pair of pants/shorts for years now that didn't have a SF light in them. Daylight or dark....always a light
This worked great as a training set-up, and it is what's sitting around if I need/want something to grab and go.

YMMV

Vinh
06-17-06, 16:31
mcgrubbs must be referring to folks like me. :D

http://www.rawbrilliance.com/images/first_line/DSC02214_small.jpg

I am just a civilian, so this stuff is used for classes. I buy what is available at the time of purchase, so color and sizing may be a little off.

Medium Eagle duty belt with security buckle (http://triadtactical.com/store/item/173lt/Belts_and_Belt_Kit/First_Line/Eagle_Duty_Belt_w/Security_Buckle_Medium_32-37-Black.html) and medium belt pad (http://triadtactical.com/store/item/173m7/Belts_and_Belt_Kit/First_Line/Eagle_Belt_Pad_Medium_36-40-Black.html)
You can tell from the leftover belt that it is too large for me. However, I find it to be very comfortable. Even though the pouches are broken in, no matter how tight I make the belt, if there is no subload attached, the belt tends to ride up when extracting mags. I would eventually like to get away from using the subload, but am not sure how to keep the belt in place without it.

Safariland 6004 (http://www.safariland.com/products.asp?id=138)
I prefer the ruggedness and security of the 6004 over regular kydex holsters for carbine classes. I wear mine nice and high, but keep both straps. I tried going without the top strap like most do, but for me it didn't feel as secure when drawing or moving.

CSM dump pouch (http://www.csmgear.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?cat=4)
May consume more real estate than others, but well worth it. My favorite piece of gear.

Eagle AR single duty mag pouch (http://triadtactical.com/store/item/10kif/Belts_and_Belt_Kit/First_Line/Eagle_Single_Duty_Mag_Pouch_M-4_Black.html)
Fast and secure. It's either this or kydex.

Specter MOLLE thigh rig (http://www.spectergear.com/modular_thigh_rig.htm) with Eagle M9 double magazine pouch (http://triadtactical.com/store/item/129vp/Pistol_Mag_Pouches/Eagle_MLCS_M9_Flat_Style_Double_Magazine_Pouch_Black.html) and two Specter AR dual retention double magazine pouches (http://www.spectergear.com/311.htm)
I tried the Eagle leg platform, but I prefer the two straps and slightly smaller size of the Specter. With my short legs, the subload used to hang very low, bumping into my kneepad. David was kind enough to modify the system to ride higher.

The Eagle M9 pouches will hold one USP .45 mag or two 1911 mags. The flaps close by themselves, so even though there is no elastic band, retention with only one 1911 mag left is not an issue.

I prefer Eagle AR mag pouches, but the Specter ones were chosen specifically for their lack of elastic. With Eagle pouches, the elastic is tight enough that it is difficult for me to jam the second mag into the pouch one-handed when located on my thigh, as the belt will simply be pulled down. The pouches work well for me and single mag retention has not been a problem during movement. The buckles slow access and are simply too ninja for me, so I just leave them hanging.

Why so many mags? Well, they are necessary (because I don't use a chest rig). With the amount of shooting and tactical reloading that we do, it is not uncommon for me to step off the line with most of my mags in my dump pouch. There is a minor weight and mobility penalty, but I can deal with it, though I may eventually move to some sort of chest rig.

Surefire light pouch (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/154/prrfnbr/232)
Cheap, but effective enough. Wish Eagle had a similar product.

Eagle .45 double duty mag pouch (http://triadtactical.com/store/item/1a4kx/Pistol_Mag_Pouches/Eagle_MLCS_45/220/FB_Double_Mag_Pouch_Black.html)
Fast and secure, kydex would be the only alternative. The location on the belt makes supported kneeling a bit uncomfortable as I am jabbed under the ribs. If I get rid of the light pouch or subload, I might be able to move these off to the side a bit.

That's all for my setup. I think I may need to stash some first aid somewhere.


cohiba, for the Eagle 2x4, have you tried folding the flaps like this?
http://www.rawbrilliance.com/images/first_line/DSC02216_small.jpg
I find it more streamlined, less likely to snag on anything, and offers better access to the pistol mags.

subzero
06-17-06, 17:46
After going with little to no gear for the most part for my last few outings, I put a belt rig together a few days ago. I do not consider it a "first line" rig though, as I put it together with classes specifically in mind.

Base is an old SOE Riggers belt

Pistol mags - 3 TT kydex singles if I'm shooting the 1911, an Eggroll 4 banger if I'm shooting the Glock
Rifle - a single Eagle FB pouch for the AR
Holster: 6004 for the 1911, G-Code belt rig for the Glock (waiting on kydex for the 1911 because I hate droplegs of any kind and have no use for them)
misc: Maxpedition Rolypoly for extras mags if needed

I have not yet found a suitable way to hold a first aid kit or Surefire. For now the light stays in a pocket and the FAK stays in the car.

Damon
06-19-06, 11:26
Vinh-inator,

I think I went through what you are going through. I tried a 4 AR-mag subload before and thought it was too heavy. I bought an SKD Tactical Universal Tactical Vest and it works great. I was using it in the class we both attended. I only carried 4 mags on my chest and one on my belt and that was fine.

Resq47
06-19-06, 20:50
CCW from midline:

EGL 2x4 pouch - 2xM4, 4x1911/Glock
PPM SF light pouch - same place as at work
Dump pouch
Small GP - Israeli dressing/lube/gloves/gun brush/whatever
Fixed blade
6004 - on a 2" SR buckle
BHI Frag pouch - holds a small P&S digital cam well...
PPM CGT pouch - tethered with a keyminder thing from work

Hawkeye
06-19-06, 21:18
Right now, I am running a Eagle duty belt, ICE molle belt pad, 4 TT single pistol mag pouches, 1 TT single AR mag shingle, Becker 7" knife in a Spec Ops sheath, and a 6004 for my Glock. I may end up adding one or two other items, and I may also put the 6004 body in one of the HSGI carriers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ICEbelt.jpg

LukeMacGillie
06-20-06, 08:18
Here is a contrarian opinion, If I dont watch out I will get a reputation for this LOL

Ive went back to ca 1999 way of doing things. Rigger belt on pants, with pistol holster, mag pouch and fixed blade knife. Instead of Cold weather overpants suspenders I do have the HSGI suspenders. Survival gear (strobe, Aviators pannel, mirror and all that jazz in uniform pockets)

I used a Tac Tailor molle belt for awhile, but it tended to roll and I just didnt like it.

Advantages to this system: If your insert platform ditches in water you at least have pistol, pistol mags, knife and survival gear after getting rid of your vest. 2d is that if you have your pants, you always have this gear with you.

Disadvantage: You have to either get undressed, or just go to town tac'd out when grabbing a sammich from subway at a training class.

The only think I would like to find is some sort of horizontal rifle mag pouch.

Just my 2 cents based on my particular situation.

mcgrubbs
06-20-06, 17:48
The only think I would like to find is some sort of horizontal rifle mag pouch.



Eagle's excellent FB duty pouch for the 5.56 mag will run either vertical or horizontal. Just make sure you get the duty-belt version, and NOT the MOLLE version.

I ran one in a 3-day class back in Feb. It worked fine, and suprisingly did not bug me when I went prone. And when you are on your back it is real handy if you need to reload fast.

LOKNLOD
06-20-06, 18:32
Right now, I am running a Eagle duty belt, ICE molle belt pad, 4 TT single pistol mag pouches, 1 TT single AR mag shingle, Becker 7" knife in a Spec Ops sheath, and a 6004 for my Glock. I may end up adding one or two other items, and I may also put the 6004 body in one of the HSGI carriers.


Hawkeye,

How well does that knife ride behind your holster? Any problems bending/squatting/kneeling?

Thanks.

Hawkeye
06-20-06, 18:48
No problems yet, but I plan to get some range/class time in with it soon and see how it does there. I am just experimenting with it really at this point. It was kinda an afterthought.

John Chapman
06-20-06, 23:45
My 1st line.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/mountaincop/Firstlinerig.jpg

Safariland 6004 w/ G19 - TLR-1 light
Willis Subload w/
- 4 M4 mags
- 1 G17 Mag
- Surefire G2
2 more G17 mags

I wear my blow out kit on my 2nd line, but I should find a spot for at least a cinch-tight on my 1st line.

tomalibrando
06-21-06, 12:09
The advantage of running with a belt full of stuff is that you have...stuff. If for some reason you have to dump the vest carrier system, it allows for a short term fighting load. Overseas, I had to wear the damn thing everyday. The disadvantage is that it weighs you down a lot. The padded load bearing belts are more comfortable and allow for more stuff than (sometimes) what you need. You absolutely need a dump pouch (something I was against 5 years ago), small med pouch, spare mags for the pistol and one reload for the rifle. The speed pouch for the AR/M4 mag goes on the belt for the empty gun reloads. Becarefull about having too big a knife on the belt. You have to be able to assume a variety of positions and the BFK sometimes gets in the way. For the most part, its a utility knife (which I have actually had opportunities to use on SWAT). The suspender concept is something thats personal preference. My raid armor pushes the belt down on my hips, so if you're in a profession that requires armor, it helps keep things where they're supposed to be. Personally, I try to keep the legs as clean as possible. It helps in moving faster and if you've ever done raids in a cramped meth trailer, junk just loves to grab your kit. Gear that sometimes works onthe range changes it's usefulness when its deployed on real jobs or every day. We did a lot of vehicle operations which precluded a lot of stuff off of the belt because it was difficult to dismount. the pistol was hard to reach as well based on the type of vehicles we had. The gear is always taylored to the mission.

Bladerunner
06-23-06, 19:00
How many mags are you guys running on your first line rigs? Right now I'm running four pistol mags and one AR mag. So far, this seems about right for me. If I use a Redi-mag, this seems like more than enough for most classes. Plus the belt works great for the Blackwater Practical Shooters Steel Challenge matches that I attend whenever I can. All I have to do is switch out the 6004 for my Blade-Tech belt holster and I'm ready to go.


What kind of set-ups are you guys running?

My current set-up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/2004_0117Farm20001.jpg

(1.) Two - Eagle (kydex lined) double 1911 mag pouches
(2.) Eagle MLCS Single M4 FB mag pouch
(3.) Eagle Single Duty M4 Mag Pouch
(4.) Eagle duty belt
(5.) Eagle belt pad
(6.) Eagle Duty Evidence Pouch
(7.) Paraclete small GP pouch

Dinger

Do you know what set-up Dave and Simon were using during the 10-8 Class last Spring. Yours looks a lot like theirs except Dave's was OD, I think. I have been using a Blackhawk Duty Belt with 1 Blackhawk Duty double magazine pouch and a 6004 holster. I am not happy with the setup though. I don't particularly like the Black color either.

By the way my new job is turning out great. I was asked this week what type of "kit" the average expeditionary sailor should be outfitted with. I have a lot of ideas !!!

Dport
06-23-06, 19:02
Well sir, I'm glad to see you here. And I'm doubly glad that you'll have input as to what our NECC sailors will be issued.

Bladerunner
06-23-06, 22:07
Well sir, I'm glad to see you here. And I'm doubly glad that you'll have input as to what our NECC sailors will be issued.

Dport

I am glad to be here and I am even happier to be working with the expeditionary Navy. I am in contractor paradise.

Triad Tactical
06-24-06, 13:11
http://triadtactical.com/userimages/2X4-KH-with-magpuls.jpg?rand=1146890543

The 2x4 is made by Eagle Industries.

The proper part number is: MP2/M4-4/45-FB1-MS

As far as I know, it is only available one place. Another vender is claiming to offer exclusive products from Eagle but its just not true.

VA_Dinger
07-02-06, 14:31
Thanks Steve.

It's nice to see Triad Tactical participating on M4carbine. It’s always nice to have an Eagle Industries dealer around. Plus we have Mr. Lenett covering the Tactics & Training forum so Eagle is well represented.

I certainly need to place one of these pouches on order. I was waiting until the OD or Ranger Green 2x4's arrived.

Triad Tactical
07-05-06, 20:49
I have Ranger Green 2 x 4's in stock.

eggroll
07-07-06, 20:02
Cohiba and Resq

Thanks for the gear plugs. Just an FYI... EGL (Extreme Gear Labs) and EAGLE are two distinct entities.
there is the EGL "2x4" as Resq put it, and there is the EAGLE MP2/M4-4/45-FB1-MS

The EGL uses elastic retention while the EAGLE (IIRC) uses kydex inserts for retention.

Just so everyone is clear :D :cool:

KevinB
07-16-06, 12:21
I run my 6004 on a Spectre Gear double thick riggers belt.

Depending on what I am doing I was attaching a mod'ed TT small mod leg rig with 2 shingles and a x3 pistol mag and a single misc pouch (for my SOG tool)

That gave me a walking around the camp loadout of 4 x G19 mags and 4 M4 mags (inc weapon and redi-mag)
- I carry a Benchmade 9050SBT and a SF G2 on my pants.
I took the 3 TT pistol off since I decided that if I need a reload for my pistol on base - things have gone OH so wrong. So 4 M4 mags and just the Glock mag in my gun.


Everything else in in my RAV - which I dont go very far from. Since I wear side plates in my RAV it stops me from being able to access a belt as easily as would be appreciated.


IMHO some of these first line belts are enormously bulky

Obviously my needs will be different from others - YMMV

I cropped this off a pic of me making fun of the no pictures sign. - but you see the gap between my rig and the belt and the fact it makes it virtually impossible to run with a belt kit

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Afghan%20Take%20II/Beltrig.jpg

and the TT leg rig -- I cut the top strap and run it high
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Afghan%20Take%20II/RAIDPACK007.jpg

LukeMacGillie
07-16-06, 15:29
I like how you modded the 6004 shroud. One of the biggest beefs Ive had with the 6004 is that if you wear it higher up, instead of down about your patella, the shroud is more of a hinderance than a help.

nyeti
12-31-06, 02:28
Must be nice to be able to post pics.........I guess its a "no posting for moderators thing"...................help...................:mad:

Damon
12-31-06, 09:00
Nyeti,

If you like, email the pics to me and I'll give it a try. Otherwise, when you are on the reply screen the is a little color icon. Click on that and enter the website where your picture is hosted. Try using Photobucket to host the image.

Hoplophile
12-31-06, 14:51
Finally took a pic of my belt rig:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/Belt.jpg

- TAG pagged MOLLE belt
- 2x EssTac single mag pouches with a double mag pouch attached to the outside
- SOE patrol pouch (holds 2 AR mags)
- SOE dump pouch
- ATS small tear away medical pouch
- Bladetech holster rigged up to attach to the belt
- double pistol mag pouch holding a multi-tool and light

LOKNLOD
01-08-07, 13:51
Well, I've scrimped and saved long enough to order the remainder of my belt setup. Stuff should (hopefully) all be in this week and I will post up some pics then. I've got an arrangement in my head to start with but time will tell how that plays out. It is probably going to be a overloaded for a true first line setup but it will be a stand alone rig for me.

ETA: Added pics and some commentary below...

LOKNLOD
01-12-07, 22:40
Okay, the last few items (except my CSM dump pouch--hopefully it will ship out soon, they said they had one in stock) arrived today so I got it pieced together tonight. I've still got a lot of arranging and fitting to do. It's a heavy first line, but that's intentional since it's my only line.

From left to right in pic:
-Eagle Duty Belt and Eagle Belt Pad
-Eagle Duty Triple Pistol Mag Pouch
-HSGI modular drop leg panel with 2 TT single mag shingles
-Eagle Duty M4 single pouch
-(missing CSM dump pouch)
-HSGI universal drop platform w/ Safariland 6280 (G17...need one that fits my light)
-Eagle Duty Double Mag Pouch

http://home.off-road.com/~loknlod/gear/belt1.jpg
Wearing it 1 (http://home.off-road.com/~loknlod/gear/belt2.jpg)
Wearing it 2 (http://home.off-road.com/~loknlod/gear/belt3.jpg)

Some initial impressions:
-I'm fatter than I thought. My medium belt is closer to the limit than I expected :eek: I need to load this thing up and hit the treadmill.
-I'm...skinnier than I thought :confused: I'm running out of belt space pretty fast.
-I've got room for one more TT shingle on the drop panel but I'll wait to see how it all rides before adding one.
-The off-side drop leg hanger keeps me from putting my belt AR mag (and therefore the dump pouch when it arrives) quite as far forward as I'd like.

Overall I'm pleased though and looking forward to getting a chance to try it out.

KevinB
01-13-07, 14:12
Well when I decided I need a beltload I looked for a SOE rig that woul dfit what I needed. Sadly I could not find the one I wanted (the one with snaps) - so I figured I could mod a CQB subload for what I wanted.

I find the intial setup is much too low for my liking in that gets in the way of me sitting in a vehicle and adds a lot of weight to the legs.

So I dumped the drop piece and ran my riggers belt through it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Gear/Iraq277.jpg

Since John's gear is bombproof -- I figured I could get rid of the fastex and just rely on the velcro (I'm not jumping or fast roping).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Gear/Iraq278.jpg

and I cut off the pistol mag retention and added a Kydex insert that I cut in half out of a rifle mag pouch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Gear/Iraq279.jpg

I had been actually hoping the CQB subload's pistol pouch would fit the Banger we have here, but alas it did not.

I'd like if I could drop the load 1.5" -- and I think I will email John to see if I can get a custom setup for what I want.

Hoplophile
01-15-07, 01:38
-The off-side drop leg hanger keeps me from putting my belt AR mag (and therefore the dump pouch when it arrives) quite as far forward as I'd like.
This is why I have a box-style dump pouch on my belt rig. The opening is always available and always in the same place so it's easy to use when it's behind your back.

Vinnie
01-16-07, 20:42
I run my belt rig more a support system than somthing that would stand alone as a grab and go set-up.

Starting with a Blackhawk duty belt and an ICE belt pad. I added a set of SPEC-OPS suspenders and a Safariland 6005 belt loop. This allows me to use either my .45 springfield govt or either of my 2 Springfield XD's. Just by switching out the 6004 holster from the belt assembly. Added to the rig are 2 roly-polys, one large and one medium. The large one is used as a dump pouch and the med is used for shotgun shells, gloves, food, or whatever. Add to that a comms pouch and a small GP pouch from tactical assault systems {yeah it's an old pouch} and thats it. I have no ammo pouches attached as I fall under the same problem as Kevin B. does.

LonghunterCO
01-18-07, 23:48
So do I understand several of you are using the ICE belt pad. Removing their belt out of the pad and replacing it with a Eagle, BHI, or other belt? If so is that to get the clip type quick release buckle vs. the ICE metal slider type of buckle?

Sorry for the noob question.

Hawkeye
01-19-07, 10:23
The ICE belt pad doesnt come with a belt. You must provide your own.

MudBug
01-19-07, 19:32
The ICE belt pad doesnt come with a belt. You must provide your own.


I've been considering getting an ICE belt pad, but I keep reading about problems with actually getting it after ordering it. Sometimes the wait is up to 3 months.

Any info about that?

MASP7
01-19-07, 20:41
I've been considering getting an ICE belt pad, but I keep reading about problems with actually getting it after ordering it. Sometimes the wait is up to 3 months.

Any info about that?


FWIW- I've heard the same, which is what has kept me from ordering one.
Guys that have them- What has been your experience?

RyanS
01-19-07, 22:06
Has anyone had any experience with Diamondback Tactical Assaulters accesory belt as seen here:

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/BattleLab-BackpackAssaulters-Accessory-Belt-33-42-P279C127.aspx

Hawkeye
01-20-07, 07:54
I did have to wait a few months on mine. Wasnt a big deal to me though.

I have a couple of DBT pouches and they seem good to go. I may pick up a few more things from them in the future. Couldnt tell you anything about their belt pad.

Vinnie
01-20-07, 14:01
The ICE pad I bought was 2nd hand so the wait for me was not a concern. But the quality of the pad is 1st rate so it really boils down to if you can wait then wait. If not the DBT belt or the S.O. Tech belt are also top shelf pieces of kit.

Vinnie
01-20-07, 14:12
Here is the link for the S.O. Tech belt



http://www.specopstech.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=1557

Harv
01-20-07, 15:00
I really love my ICE belt pad. The only draw back is the wait. The way I did it was just order it and forget it. I got lucky and placed my order at a period of time when he was just getting to be well known in the gear world. Once everybody saw the belts they all ordered them and cause we are a society with ZERO patience.. the battle began with him. Anything custom that is good is gonna have a rough timeline. Look at Jon from Recce gear.. He had and still has a back log.


If you have to wait 3-6 or even 9 months.. so be it. You will have a nice unexpected surprise when it does come. I know Hobey does not have the best rep due to his one man operation.. But hell.. Guys are waiting in line 6 years for Larry Vickers to do them a 1911.... what 6-9 months.

MudBug
01-20-07, 16:38
But hell.. Guys are waiting in line 6 years for Larry Vickers to do them a 1911.... what 6-9 months.


Sorry, that's just silly.

Harv
01-20-07, 18:34
I totally agree.. No pistol is worth 6 years to me, may be to others, but from what I have seen in the custom gear world, it is not unusual to wait up to a year for custom stuff, if you like the guys work and his kit. Most would be served with a BlackHawk piece of kit you can get in 4 days.

Is the pad a required item I needed??? no, I just wanted it cause the design is a good one and the materials and construction were first rate and I will most likely own this belt pad for life and never need another one.

One just has to do his research, understand the pros and cons of custom kit's made by one man shows and decide. After that, patience is required (and should have been part of the research from the git go)

I used LAV's 6 year waiting list as a extreme example, I doubt any of the guys on that list are calling and emailing Larry every 2-3 months saying.."Where's my pistol?".."Is it done yet?".."When will it ship??" and then getting on every gun forum in the free world and badmouthing him as a poor business man.

Resq47
01-20-07, 20:35
I'll drop another plug for the blackwater I-O belt. I initially tried to get a TAG and was in terminal order hell with them for months. Actually I ordered that at the same time a bud ordered an ICE belt. I gave up, ordered the I-O from optactical and had it in a week. The ICE belt came in, he used it a couple times and dropped it for the SO Tech version.

FWIW, the BW belt is structured and doesn't roll over like some of the other slip on pads. It's more like a less bulky, modular expedition pack belt with a tunnel for the belt pass through. I dropped the included sewn-webbing fastex belt for a Wilderness 5 stitch and haven't looked back. Beats the snot out of abrading yourself to bone anyway.

Link (http://optactical.com/bliolobebe.html)

MudBug
01-21-07, 00:46
I'll drop another plug for the blackwater I-O belt. I initially tried to get a TAG and was in terminal order hell with them for months. Actually I ordered that at the same time a bud ordered an ICE belt. I gave up, ordered the I-O from optactical and had it in a week. The ICE belt came in, he used it a couple times and dropped it for the SO Tech version.

FWIW, the BW belt is structured and doesn't roll over like some of the other slip on pads. It's more like a less bulky, modular expedition pack belt with a tunnel for the belt pass through. I dropped the included sewn-webbing fastex belt for a Wilderness 5 stitch and haven't looked back. Beats the snot out of abrading yourself to bone anyway.

Link (http://optactical.com/bliolobebe.html)


Does the BW overbelt have slots for dropleg hangers like the ICE or do you have to wrap them all around the padding?

Resq47
01-21-07, 02:56
I fabbed up a molle adapter for the 2" buckle I use for 6004's. It was meant to be a stop-gap until I built something more permanent but it's still plugging along.

The BW belt does have two exposed sections, one on each hip, where the belt is exposed. If that part hits the right spot it would work like normal, for me it's farther aft than I'd like. I'll try to shoot a pic between shifts tomorrow...

Batt 57
01-21-07, 19:29
I fabbed up a molle adapter for the 2" buckle I use for 6004's. It was meant to be a stop-gap until I built something more permanent but it's still plugging along.

The BW belt does have two exposed sections, one on each hip, where the belt is exposed. If that part hits the right spot it would work like normal, for me it's farther aft than I'd like. I'll try to shoot a pic between shifts tomorrow...

I thought someone pad a PALS adapter to buckle. I also use a 6004 and was trying to figure out how to hang it from a wider belt.

I will probably just go with a Eagle wide padded belt cause the only things hanging off my belt are the 6004 and a NARescue thigh rig.

Batt 57
01-21-07, 19:49
I fabbed up a molle adapter for the 2" buckle I use for 6004's. It was meant to be a stop-gap until I built something more permanent but it's still plugging along.

The BW belt does have two exposed sections, one on each hip, where the belt is exposed. If that part hits the right spot it would work like normal, for me it's farther aft than I'd like. I'll try to shoot a pic between shifts tomorrow...


Ok, now you got me looking at the IO belt. I am thinking that if you were to add a Blackhawk drop leg extender to the 6004 it should clip into the top part of the NARescue loops. They have a 2" buckle on them already....

http://www.narescue.com/images/Products/80_0118_a.jpg

Those loops should thread through the PALS webbing. I will find out if this part can be ordered alone.

k9dpd
01-21-07, 21:04
This is what I use and it works out great.

http://stores.skipjack.com/emdomusa/Detail.bok?no=20

Batt 57
01-21-07, 21:30
This is what I use and it works out great.

http://stores.skipjack.com/emdomusa/Detail.bok?no=20

Thanks, that looks like it may work great.

Resq47
01-21-07, 22:01
The EMDOM is exactly what I had in mind, but I didn't have any malice clips handy at the time, but did have webbing and velcro and a sewing machine to abuse. The extender/buckle in the image above is pretty analogous to what I made up in function, either are solid options. I'll try to get that pic tomorrow if I get a second, it didn't happen today.

As always with this sort of gear there's the active used market if it doesn't work out for whatever reason.

Linea_de_Fuego
06-30-07, 22:10
How do you attach a belt holster to a belt like this?

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/Belt.jpg

...and one more thing, if these duty belts fit 1 3/4 belt loops then how would you attach a belt holster with normal 1 1/2 inch slots to a duty belt?

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/optacticalgear_1951_62215380

Drummer
07-01-07, 10:43
Does anybody here know the width of the Eagle duty belt? For example, is it 2" or 2.25"?

LOKNLOD
07-01-07, 11:59
Does anybody here know the width of the Eagle duty belt? For example, is it 2" or 2.25"?

Just measured mine, 2".

Drummer
07-01-07, 17:05
Thanks. I was looking to get one, but am looking for a 2.25".

dubb-1
07-01-07, 19:25
http://72.240.5.31/images/frontline1.jpg

I had removed my pistol mag pouches from the AR mag pouches prior to the pic as I was trying out some different things.

LonghunterCO
07-02-07, 23:22
http://72.240.5.31/images/frontline1.jpg


What is the details on that setup? Looks great.

dubb-1
07-02-07, 23:40
ICE Tactical Battle Belt
Tactical Tailor single shingle X 3
HSGI Single subload
Original SOE dumper
Grimlock
Safariland 6004
Microtech Currahee
Original SOE IFAK

It's more than most people seem to run. But I don't like chest rigs (generally). This belt can be run instead of my CIRAS when I need to be able to shoot and move, but don't need armor.

NCPatrolAR
07-03-07, 22:17
Is anyone running a belt setup without any kind of thigh attachment at all? Maybe something with a duty-style holster mounted directly to the belt? If so, any issues keeping the belt from riding up?

If you are going with a duty belt set up, defeating ride-up is simple. Stop by your local police supply, or go to a site like Streichers, and buy yourself 4 belt keepers. Belt keepers keep your duty belt attached to your pants belt and prevents shifting.

Hoplophile
07-03-07, 22:35
How do you attach a belt holster to a belt like this?

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/Belt.jpg

There are a few different ways, the way I did it is pretty 'ghetto' but it works and was cheap. I bolted the holster to a piece of kydex and then used a couple of short MALICE clips to attach the kydex to the webbing.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/Holster2.jpg




...and one more thing, if these duty belts fit 1 3/4 belt loops then how would you attach a belt holster with normal 1 1/2 inch slots to a duty belt?

Actually, 1 3/4" seems to be more common for holster loops than 1 1/2" and most holsters are available to fit either size. For example, pretty much everything from Blade-Tech can be adjusted to fit either size.

The problem is that most "duty" belts are 2", but even then there are holsters available to fit them.

ETA, also pay attention to the buckles used on the belts. Many "duty" belts have buckles that cannot be removed so you'll need a holster that 'clamps' onto the belt rather than one that has to slide on.

Linea_de_Fuego
07-03-07, 23:15
There are a few different ways, the way I did it is pretty 'ghetto' but it works and was cheap. I bolted the holster to a piece of kydex and then used a couple of short MALICE clips to attach the kydex to the webbing.

Thanks for the reply. The kydex would make the mount solid.

I was thinking of two layers of polypropylene webbing sewn together that could be run through the holster loops; Then use either belt keepers or MALICE clips that run between the layers
to secure the webbing to the belt.

http://sidearmor.com/images/holsters/1911/modular/main.gif

jackinfl
07-04-07, 08:56
Is anyone running a belt setup without any kind of thigh attachment at all? Maybe something with a duty-style holster mounted directly to the belt? If so, any issues keeping the belt from riding up?

A solution I used when i was in Patrol was with the eagle duty belt, which has the soft female velcro lining the inside. I had eagle fix me up one of their inner pants belt with the hard male velcro lining the outside of this inner pants pants belt.

It worked well for me. The only place you did not have velcro attatchment is where you have pouches.

This set up did ruin the polyester belt loops on the uniform pants, but who cares they are issued anyway.

I liked this as I did not have to use keepers.

Just my experience.
Jack

M4Guru
07-04-07, 09:33
I prefer to run a belt with minimal bulk on it. I carry a holster (usually a Blade-tech), Surefire C2, and 1 G19 mag on a Liger belt.

Some guys here have more M4 mags on their belt than I carry on my entire kit in Iraq. (I keep 12 more in a DBT E&E bag...) That can't be comfortable...

Robb Jensen
07-04-07, 10:04
There are a few different ways, the way I did it is pretty 'ghetto' but it works and was cheap. I bolted the holster to a piece of kydex and then used a couple of short MALICE clips to attach the kydex to the webbing.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/Holster2.jpg



That's looks pretty cool Ken. I need to 'modificate' one of my holsters to fit my 1911 to my belt.

Hoplophile
07-04-07, 12:43
I prefer to run a belt with minimal bulk on it. I carry a holster (usually a Blade-tech), Surefire C2, and 1 G19 mag on a Liger belt.
Good CCW gear. What do you have on your belt when you go to Iraq? :D

M4Guru
07-04-07, 12:59
It used to be less. I added the flashlight off of my plate carrier when I slimmed it down.

A basic load on your leg along with a med kit an a GP pouch with a pistol on the other does wonders for immobility and getting hung up on stuff.

RAM Engineer
07-04-07, 22:28
I prefer to run a belt with minimal bulk on it. I carry a holster (usually a Blade-tech), Surefire C2, and 1 G19 mag on a Liger belt.

Some guys here have more M4 mags on their belt than I carry on my entire kit in Iraq. (I keep 12 more in a DBT E&E bag...) That can't be comfortable...

How do you like that Liger belt, compared to a traditional rigger's/Wilderness belt?

M4Guru
07-05-07, 18:13
It's a pretty nice belt. It's very flexible longways, but absolutely will not roll and is impervious to the elements unlike leather. It's also nice to be able to wear it with any type clothing and not stand out. I just wish it had a different buckle, the one on it is bombproof, but not very user friendly.

rob_s
07-05-07, 18:50
What about something like a Blade Tech DOH (http://blade-tech.com/DOH-Dropped-Offset-Holster-SR-Loop-pr-824.html) attached to an Eagle Duty Belt (http://eagleindustries.com/prd_detail.asp?ProdID=171&searchfield=belt&Submit2=Search&offset=20)? The DOH is available with up to a 2.25" loop. Eagle's site doesn't say what width their belt is and I don't have mine handy. Anyone know the width?

M4Guru
07-05-07, 19:03
They are 2.25. I use the DOH on my holster to keep it out of the way of my armor, it's pretty nice. If you already have a holster, blade-tech sells the hanger for $12.

Drummer
07-06-07, 08:08
Eagle's site doesn't say what width their belt is and I don't have mine handy. Anyone know the width?

I asked this question earlier in the thread and LOKNLOD said his measured 2".

M4Guru
07-06-07, 08:26
Mine is actually a DBT belt, so it may be. I have an Eagle that looks like it is the same size, though.

rob_s
07-06-07, 08:31
I guess I'll have to get home and measure mine before I order a holster.

I'm thinking that holser, a couple of the Eagle FB AR and 1911 mag pouches on the offside, and a fold-up dump pouch 'round the back should work out well.

M4Guru
07-06-07, 08:39
I am up at the ATS store right now. We have OD in 2.25 and black in 2. I guess they make both.:confused:

BHI are all 2

TT are all 2

My DBT and old (2000 mfg) Eagle are 2.25...

LonghunterCO
07-15-07, 09:56
I dropped the included sewn-webbing fastex belt for a Wilderness 5 stitch and haven't looked back.

Link (http://optactical.com/bliolobebe.html)

Is that a 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" Wilderness belt?

abnk
07-16-07, 11:37
I really love my ICE belt pad. The only draw back is the wait. The way I did it was just order it and forget it. I got lucky and placed my order at a period of time when he was just getting to be well known in the gear world. Once everybody saw the belts they all ordered them and cause we are a society with ZERO patience.. the battle began with him. Anything custom that is good is gonna have a rough timeline. Look at Jon from Recce gear.. He had and still has a back log.


If you have to wait 3-6 or even 9 months.. so be it. You will have a nice unexpected surprise when it does come. I know Hobey does not have the best rep due to his one man operation.. But hell.. Guys are waiting in line 6 years for Larry Vickers to do them a 1911.... what 6-9 months.

I just ordered a belt and a couple of pouches from him. He said that the items are in stock, but he's waiting for Malice clips, which he expects by the end of next week. Pleasantly surprising; I thought I would be in for a long wait.

dubb-1
07-16-07, 23:56
I personally would have told him to ship w/o the clips if that was the only thing holding it up...

M4Guru
07-17-07, 08:07
Sounds like more Hobey BS...

Cold Zero
07-17-07, 10:10
I personally would have told him to ship w/o the clips if that was the only thing holding it up...



yeah, well that and he did not have the belt either....
:eek:

Batt 57
07-17-07, 10:33
I have been watching this thread and putting some items together for my belt and wanted to run something by you guys....

I am going with a Blackwater IO belt, Maxped large dump pouch on the left next to an eagle single M4 mag holder. Next to this on the back is a S.O. Tech El Dwiggo. On the right is a Blackhawk Serpa holster mounter with their molle adapter.

The holster is riding a little high and I was looking at either running a 6004 directly to the belt or using the Serpa thigh rig independently.

The idea behind a separate, unattached holster would be that if I need to remove or turn the belt to get to the El Dwiggo the holster would always be in place.... keep in mind that I am a paramedic and the med pouch is probably overloaded. :D

Any thoughts?

rob_s
07-17-07, 10:55
Steve I'm going to try the Blade-Tech DOH holster on my Eagle duty belt. I don't know if you have a need or requirement for additional retention beyond that though.

Somewhere on this board, maybe even in this thread, people have been reporting problems with dirt and dust getting stuck under the button on the Serpa effectively locking the pistol in it.

Steve
07-17-07, 11:07
I started with an ice after a lot of hoop jumping i finally got it ran it a few times and ditched it,


i went to so tech rigs they have a strap that runs th eeniter length on the backside of belt to attach holsters and other sub loads.

I have been 100% happy with it will try to get pics up of them.

Batt 57
07-17-07, 11:26
Steve I'm going to try the Blade-Tech DOH holster on my Eagle duty belt. I don't know if you have a need or requirement for additional retention beyond that though.

Somewhere on this board, maybe even in this thread, people have been reporting problems with dirt and dust getting stuck under the button on the Serpa effectively locking the pistol in it.

Rob,

I don't really need the retention of the Serpa. The only reason I have these was that I needed a level II holster for some classes and the only thing I could find in-stock at last minute was the Serpa. I also have two 6004's that I use on my duty rigs. I like the idea of the holster mounted directly to the belt and I will give a try at the next carbine match.

abnk
07-17-07, 13:51
Sounds like more Hobey BS...



yeah, well that and he did not have the belt either....
:eek:


Gentlemen,


I thought ICE was high quality. Generally, high quality gear is made by high quality folks. Apparently, I missed something? :confused:

M4Guru
07-17-07, 14:06
Gentlemen,


I thought ICE was high quality. Generally, high quality gear is made by high quality folks. Apparently, I missed something? :confused:

A search on Lightfighter will yield a lot of info on ICE.

Things have a way of never showing up...

Cold Zero
07-17-07, 14:09
the search button is your friend.

Many gun boards have a thread about, or one that mentions i.c.e. and the tales are all remarkably consistent.:eek:

Resq47
07-17-07, 18:53
The idea behind a separate, unattached holster would be that if I need to remove or turn the belt to get to the El Dwiggo the holster would always be in place.... keep in mind that I am a paramedic and the med pouch is probably overloaded. :D

Any thoughts?

Thoughts? Go light on the first-line med and keep the medic level response bag accessible. There's no way I can treat to my licensed standard of care from a belt pouch, so it gets an improved bandage/gloves/vionex. Your basic 'Ouch, I bet that stings! Hold this there and I'll be back in a sec' setup. The rest lives in the AIII Med bag. I also haven't found a satisfactory way to mount up a split pouch so it's accessible and doesn't render me into a medicotactical-quasi modo (or 46DD stripjoint headliner).

All my ancillary stuff is in a wide medium battlelabs GP pouch on the rear of my BW I-O.

Batt 57
07-17-07, 19:06
Thoughts? Go light on the first-line med and keep the medic level response bag accessible. There's no way I can treat to my licensed standard of care from a belt pouch, so it gets an improved bandage/gloves/vionex. Your basic 'Ouch, I bet that stings! Hold this there and I'll be back in a sec' setup. The rest lives in the AIII Med bag. I also haven't found a satisfactory way to mount up a split pouch so it's accessible and doesn't render me into a medicotactical-quasi modo (or 46DD stripjoint headliner).

All my ancillary stuff is in a wide medium battlelabs GP pouch on the rear of my BW I-O.

I know what you mean. The med pouch is a little over-paked with a couple of OP and NP airways, QC, and other crap. This was primarily going to be used during our carbine matches and for classes. I need to slim it down.

When I am at work everything primary is in a NA Rescue thigh rig and secondary is carried in a Camelbak BFM. The only thing I carry on my armor is a cric kit and a manual EZ-IO driver.

Hoplophile
07-17-07, 19:41
Go light on the first-line med and keep the medic level response bag accessible.
This is why I like the detachable pouches like ATS makes. I can keep the pouch on the rear of the belt but since it is designed to tear away I can easily grab it and get to everything without having to remove the belt.

Batt 57
07-17-07, 20:56
This is why I like the detachable pouches like ATS makes. I can keep the pouch on the rear of the belt but since it is designed to tear away I can easily grab it and get to everything without having to remove the belt.

Just checked these out. Very cool. Similar to the system sold by Diamondback Tactical. I may have to get a small one.

Resq47
07-17-07, 23:12
This is why I like the detachable pouches like ATS makes. I can keep the pouch on the rear of the belt but since it is designed to tear away I can easily grab it and get to everything without having to remove the belt.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1194/816983828_8effe127ac.jpg

One of the guys has one of those and while I like the detach panel and the execution is as solid as I could hope for...it's still misplaced for a first-line belt in my opinion. If the brass popped for one for each our team's shooters they would be on their Predators immediately. Until then...

Everybody that's worked a sporty scene professionally has dealt with (or had Fire deal with) cleaning up the med supplies explosion that happens when bilateral lines and a couple Et attempts happen along with necessary pertinent secondary trauma care. We also know how bad it sucks to contaminate everything we have while folding it back together so we don't lose something needed later during transport. If it's a) so tightly packed that it won't reassemble without bright lights and cognition or b) impossible to close without three hands and a guide...it's a problem. That's one reason I dig the HSGI IV wraps with a bag tied in.

That ATS small would be great for a buddy aid vest pouch to use the casualty's own supplies on them and discard.

Linea_de_Fuego
07-23-07, 18:42
There are a few different ways, the way I did it is pretty 'ghetto' but it works and was cheap. I bolted the holster to a piece of kydex and then used a couple of short MALICE clips to attach the kydex to the webbing.

The problem is that most "duty" belts are 2", but even then there are holsters available to fit them.

ETA, also pay attention to the buckles used on the belts. Many "duty" belts have buckles that cannot be removed so you'll need a holster that 'clamps' onto the belt rather than one that has to slide on.

This is a follow up to your idea. Since I wanted to use a belt holster with 1 1/2 inch slots on a 2 inch duty belt, I had Strapworks sew this piece of webbing that I used with belt keepers to attach to the belt. This belt is a 1 1/2 inch since I have not received the duty belt yet.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6323/beltkeeperholsterstrapyk3.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/217/beltmod1wc4.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6233/beltmod2vm3.jpg

Hootiewho
07-23-07, 20:50
I have one of these on order, we'll see how it is when I get it in my hands.

http://www.originalsoegear.com/mollebelt.html

He seems to have a few good reviews over on lightfighter.net

ygbsm
07-23-07, 21:21
I have one of those on order too.

John_Wayne777
07-25-07, 09:13
I may as well play too:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0221.jpg?t=1185371715

Eagle Industries duty belt. Blackhawk 3 pocket pistol mag pouch with retention that I got for 6 bucks. Eagle Industries DMP-FB-M16 pouch. Two Eagle Industries DMP-M-16 pouches.

Not pictured is a Blade Tech holster for a Surefire light and an accessory pouch.

It's mainly an AR training rig. I just recently acquired a Blade-Tech scabbard holster for the M&P with a light mounted on it that will most likely end up replacing the pictured 6004.

STS
07-26-07, 21:30
The ideas posted in this thread have really helped me to think through how I want to set up my belt. I want to start training more like I will fight as a civilian, as I am no longer active duty so the chances of me donning armor anymore are slim.

I wear a lot of cargo shorts, and if I ever need to deploy my AR-15, chances are I'll have my 1911 on my belt with two spare mags, and I'll grab a couple AR-15 mags and throw them in my weak side cargo pocket. For me, the best way to get the most out of training is to go with some sort of belt set up like you all have shown.

My problem is unless I deploy again, I will not be using a 6004 anymore, so I don't want to wear one in training. I'd like to run a padded belt with MOLLE attachments so that while in class, I will have a BOK, CSM dump pouch, M4 mags and 1911 mags on my person, along with the 1911 (no more damn M9 for me!). Any suggestions on how to run a normal kydex holster (Blade-Tech or COMPTAC) on a MOLLE belt? I'm going to look into the solution of bolting to a piece of kydex like one poster mentioned.

jackinfl
07-27-07, 12:34
Is anyone running the Eagle Padded Molle Duty Belt? If you have pictures of it on and off I'd like to see them. How are you attatching duty holsters to this set up"?

Also in reference to the Duty Belt Pad, that is used in concert with the regular duty belt. How do you think this would work in uniform? I see that Keepers would be out of the questionwith this set up?

Thanks,
Jack

DamnYank!
07-27-07, 13:03
i'm really liking the look of the Blackwater I O belt; overall construction and the rings for shoulder straps. any leads on who makes shoulder straps / suspenders that would be a good add on to this belt should one decide they need the extra support or expandability?

Resq47
07-27-07, 18:52
i'm really liking the look of the Blackwater I O belt; overall construction and the rings for shoulder straps. any leads on who makes shoulder straps / suspenders that would be a good add on to this belt should one decide they need the extra support or expandability?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1227/817044326_d18857b4ec_b.jpg

Snag some 1" webbing and tie up your own. Can't beat the price! I used some 1" cam-lock ITW hardware on the front so I can adjust the height but it's nothing the proper knot wouldn't take care of. There's not enough weight to need wider webbing and they make getting into the jalopy that much easier.

I would have sewn them if the machine wasn't put up.

bradb55
07-27-07, 21:17
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1227/817044326_d18857b4ec_b.jpg

Snag some 1" webbing and tie up your own. Can't beat the price! I used some 1" cam-lock ITW hardware on the front so I can adjust the height but it's nothing the proper knot wouldn't take care of. There's not enough weight to need wider webbing and they make getting into the jalopy that much easier.

I would have sewn them if the machine wasn't put up.

Resq47,

How comfortable is the pad on your duty. I've been thinking of ordering one , but not sure. I guess a $20 isn't bad for pain it saves from having the belt cut into my side!

QuietShootr
07-27-07, 21:37
Does the BW overbelt have slots for dropleg hangers like the ICE or do you have to wrap them all around the padding?

I just got an I/O belt today and am moving all my shit over to it. Looks like it might be the heat if you can't afford a BLAST belt.

Linea_de_Fuego
07-27-07, 23:25
The ideas posted in this thread have really helped me to think through how I want to set up my belt. I want to start training more like I will fight as a civilian, as I am no longer active duty so the chances of me donning armor anymore are slim.

I wear a lot of cargo shorts, and if I ever need to deploy my AR-15, chances are I'll have my 1911 on my belt with two spare mags, and I'll grab a couple AR-15 mags and throw them in my weak side cargo pocket. For me, the best way to get the most out of training is to go with some sort of belt set up like you all have shown.

My problem is unless I deploy again, I will not be using a 6004 anymore, so I don't want to wear one in training. I'd like to run a padded belt with MOLLE attachments so that while in class, I will have a BOK, CSM dump pouch, M4 mags and 1911 mags on my person, along with the 1911 (no more damn M9 for me!). Any suggestions on how to run a normal kydex holster (Blade-Tech or COMPTAC) on a MOLLE belt? I'm going to look into the solution of bolting to a piece of kydex like one poster mentioned.
Look at what I did with the webbing and Sidearmor holster. That arrangement definitely works with the belt keepers passed over the kydex where the belt normally passes through. The Blade-Tech holster is different in that the belt slot is much more open. A similar arrangement would work, but the strap would probably need to be reinforced to be stiffer.

Resq47
07-27-07, 23:43
Resq47,

How comfortable is the pad on your duty. I've been thinking of ordering one , but not sure. I guess a $20 isn't bad for pain it saves from having the belt cut into my side!

I use the BW I-O belt, and for the money and my application it's unbeatable. As for the 'duty' part, at work it's standard basketweave leather...

James K
08-26-07, 21:29
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb272/jamesk91/132.jpg

Hawkeye
08-26-07, 22:06
James, what belt/pad is that?

LonghunterCO
08-26-07, 23:38
James- Did you paint that Surefire holster. If so whose paint and what color is it?

James K
08-27-07, 10:45
James, what belt/pad is that?

that would be the Blackwater I-O belt , great piece of gear , relatively inexpensive and still good quality




James- Did you paint that Surefire holster. If so whose paint and what color is it?

no, thats just the standard v70 holster and it comes in tan

shark31
08-27-07, 15:54
I love my IO, I even bought one for my Fiance.

James K
08-28-07, 18:47
duty belt i used recently in a police explorer competition

things i wish i had on there
ASP baton
X26
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb272/jamesk91/004.jpg

NCPatrolAR
08-28-07, 21:00
duty belt i used recently in a police explorer competition

things i wish i had on there
ASP baton
X26
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb272/jamesk91/004.jpg


What size is your waist, a 20?


Here is my duty belt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC00762.jpg

James K
08-28-07, 23:07
What size is your waist, a 20?


Here is my duty belt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC00762.jpg


hahaha 20, no im like a 30 inseam so the belts set up for like 32

blackheart3a
08-30-07, 00:07
Where are you folks picking up your BW I/O belts? I called them today and the gal I spoke with stated they are not making them anymore...and other places to get me one??

James K
08-30-07, 00:49
i picked mine up over on the EE on arfcom , im sure one will pop up again sooner or later

James K
08-30-07, 19:20
first line with my other stuff

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb272/jamesk91/001-1.jpg

abnk
08-31-07, 20:06
Where are you folks picking up your BW I/O belts? I called them today and the gal I spoke with stated they are not making them anymore...and other places to get me one??

Do a google search. There are plenty for sale. Here's one for example: http://www.firstresponderproducts.com/blackwater-gear-load-bearing-belt-p-1582.html.

NCPatrolAR
10-08-07, 06:52
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC01217.jpg

rob_s
10-08-07, 07:04
I'm glad this got bumped. I finally got mine done and took some pics of it. Ran it at our pistol drills night with the handgun and handgun mags only and am not sure I like it. Will try to get back and post pics and impressions tonight. I wound up with:
Eagle pistol belt
Eagle belt pad
Blade Tech holster
Eagle FB AR and 1911 pouches (two each)
CSM dump pouch
Strider DB knife

ETA pics
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1794Medium.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1795Medium.jpg

STS
10-13-07, 18:27
[QUOTE=rob_s;83762]I'm glad this got bumped. I finally got mine done and took some pics of it. Ran it at our pistol drills night with the handgun and handgun mags only and am not sure I like it. Will try to get back and post pics and impressions tonight. I wound up with:
Eagle pistol belt
Eagle belt pad
Blade Tech holster
Eagle FB AR and 1911 pouches (two each)
CSM dump pouch
Strider DB knife

QUOTE]

Rob,

What don't you like about the set up?

rob_s
10-13-07, 20:18
I think that, as a belt setup, it's actually very good. I'm just not sure that a "battle belt" serves any purpose in my lineup, and the weight is a bit much for me when wearing it over a my daily carry belt. If I have to wear a duty-type under-belt with it, then it just wouldn't ever see any use for me.

VA_Dinger
10-13-07, 20:41
For most classes I love my "Bat Belt" set-up. It allows me to have three spare Glock/M&P mags or four 1911 mags on me, plus one AR/AK spare mag. For AR's I always run a Redi-Mag so three mags, plus 1 or 2 stuffed in a pocket has always been enough. Not to mention my dump pouch, trauma pouch, hand held light pouch, universal tool, etc. It makes life simple.

I have a simple four magazine chest rig for higher round count classes but it's a lot cooler in the summer heat to just wear the belt.

While I seriously doubt it’s ever going to be used for much else, my belt is handy to have laying around.

rob_s
10-14-07, 07:13
I'll probably keep it if for no other reason than I'd get pennies on the dollar to sell it, but I definitely prefer my Eagle FB chest rigs even in the heat. It may just be my body type or whatever, but I only wore this belt for a couple of hours (without AR mags even) and found it very uncomfortable. I can't imagine three 8+ hour days.

jmart
10-14-07, 08:54
Some belts incorporate suspender attachment points, not sure if that would be an option for you.

Does this have a tunnel for a duty belt? Many of the belts I've seen are basically tubular pads that you run a stiff belt through for support. Think Wilderness 5 stitch laminated belt or something along those lines. And these belts are worn higher up on the torso, above your pants belt. When they get loaded down, that's where the suspenders come in (DBT, HSGI).

VA_Dinger
03-20-08, 01:30
This is a follow up to your idea. Since I wanted to use a belt holster with 1 1/2 inch slots on a 2 inch duty belt, I had Strapworks sew this piece of webbing that I used with belt keepers to attach to the belt. This belt is a 1 1/2 inch since I have not received the duty belt yet.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6323/beltkeeperholsterstrapyk3.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/217/beltmod1wc4.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6233/beltmod2vm3.jpg

Linea_de_Fuego, how did this work out for you? Does it hold the holster securely enough? Did you have any issues or problems with it?

Blake
03-23-08, 03:03
I've never ran AR mags on a molle belt before. I think it would be something I would be interested in trying however I'm wondering if it would work with armor. I've never tried it, but I sure no a pistol and pistol mags can get hung up on it, not just when drawing them out, but if you have to sit they tend to "get in the way". Anybody have anything to add on this when armor is added to the mix. Thanks.

mark5pt56
03-23-08, 07:31
My rifle pouches are set up low on the belt so the tops of the mags are pretty much even with the top of the belt. I think most molle pouches will end that way.

Spooky130
04-27-08, 17:28
Here's my rig I've got all set up:

I use this:
OSOE Cobra Belt (http://www.originalsoegear.com/cobrabelt.html)

Inside this:
OSOE Modular War Belt (http://www.originalsoegear.com/mollebelt.html)

With my Smith and Wesson M&P9 in this:
Safariland 6004 (http://www.safariland.com/product.aspx?pid=6004)

Carrying AK mags in one of these:
Eggroll AK Shingle (http://www.extremegearlabs.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=EGL&Product_Code=AK47Shingle3&Category_Code=AK47Mag)
EGL Triple AK Shingle

Carrying M&P mags in:
TT Pistol Mag Pouches (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=266)

Dumping mags here when empty:
CSM Gear Dump Pouch (http://www.csmgear.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=droppch&cat=10&page=1&search=&since=&status=)

And finally, it is all held up with these:
HSGI Suspenders (http://www.hsgi.us/proddetail.asp?prod=HSG%2DSUSP)

I'll try to take a couple pictures so you can see it all together...
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/Spooky130_photos/IMG_0945.jpg


Here is the Eggroll shingle with AKM mags:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/Spooky130_photos/IMG_0946.jpg

The same with AK-74 mags:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/Spooky130_photos/IMG_0947.jpg

I used this set-up in a Pat Rogers Carbine and his AK Operators class. It worked out very well. From talking to others it seemed that using a belt rig is much easier on your back - I had no issues while others were hurting after a couple days. The EGL shingle works great and was reasonably priced - I only worry about its long-term durability because the locking tab on the mags runs down the unprotected inside of the pouch. I especially like the cobra buckle on the belt. It is much easier and quicker to get on and off than a regular riggers belt. Definitely worth the extra money. I also really liked the SOE modular belt - the only improvement would be to make it breath easier and a little more narrow. It looks like Military Moron has convinced him to make these changes...

Spooky

LonghunterCO
04-27-08, 18:11
I like EggRolls stuff. I have been looking at his ak pouches. So they were not hanging up when pulling them from the pouch?

Spooky130
04-27-08, 21:11
I like EggRolls stuff. I have been looking at his ak pouches. So they were not hanging up when pulling them from the pouch?

Not so much that I would say it was a problem. I honestly can't think of a quicker method of storing mags and accessing them...

Spooky

senorlinc
04-27-08, 22:40
tried to order an mag shingle from Eggroll today...had trouble on jis webiste. anyone have contact info so i can attempt to get my order in..thx

BTW, ordered a ICE belt from hobie...it is supposed to be here this week.........

BC520
05-01-08, 15:26
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Picture_118.jpg

TT Padded MOLLE belt with TT 3mag Pistol, KaBar, TT shingle, USGI Single mag, Rolypoly, USGI ammo pouch (for IFAK), 6004, HSGI pistol (Surefire G2), and USGI compass w MALICE.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Picture_1562.jpg

RobertJ
05-10-08, 09:10
tried to order an mag shingle from Eggroll today...had trouble on jis webiste. anyone have contact info so i can attempt to get my order in..thx

BTW, ordered a ICE belt from hobie...it is supposed to be here this week.........

When did you order? I ordered his modular belt on Thursday, May 8th 2008. I have a carbine class in late June and it requires a modular belt. I was not aware of a "long wait" untill I was told of this post. Guess I should have researched more befor I purchased, Friend has one and loves it told me to order. Guess I should call and ask, I ordered online and my recept dose not show a contact phone number, back to the web site I go. Starting to get worried.

Robert

RobertJ
05-10-08, 09:28
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC01217.jpg

Is that a ICE modular belt? Just ordered one. If not, whos? I like the holster set up, who manufacturers it? Is it a Kydex holster inside of the Nylon? The dop on it seems short the way I like it. Can you give some details? Thanks and sorry for the rambling questions I just like that set up.

Robert

8mmMauser
05-10-08, 21:57
Is that a ICE modular belt? Just ordered one. If not, whos? I like the holster set up, who manufacturers it? Is it a Kydex holster inside of the Nylon? The dop on it seems short the way I like it. Can you give some details? Thanks and sorry for the rambling questions I just like that set up.

Robert

That appears to be a HSGI belt (http://www.hsgi.us/proddetail.asp?prod=HSG%2FMPB) and UDHP holster (http://www.hsgi.us/proddetail.asp?prod=HSG%2FUDHP).

NCPatrolAR
05-11-08, 20:24
Is that a ICE modular belt? Just ordered one. If not, whos? I like the holster set up, who manufacturers it? Is it a Kydex holster inside of the Nylon? The dop on it seems short the way I like it. Can you give some details? Thanks and sorry for the rambling questions I just like that set up.

Robert

Its one of the HSGI MOLLE belts with the UDHP holster. The holster itself is one of the Safariland 6733 holsters for a M&P.

RobertJ
05-13-08, 21:22
Thanks,
Ordering one a UDHP in just a minute.

Robert

E98T
07-28-08, 02:26
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/guncrazy17/ice001.jpg

I took KevinB's advice for an upgrade to the ICE battle belt and applied velcro to the inside where it wasn't in the right places to keep the Blackhawk belt from shifting (thanks Kevin). Also, this version doesn't have the suspender loops but I don't plan on ever needing them.

I.C.E Battle belt w/Blackhawk enhanced belt
Maxpedition mega rolly polly
Emdom 604 pistol mag pouch
2 HSGI modular pistol mag pouches
Esstac triple wedge M4 pouch
Esstac double wedge M4 pouch
Spec-Ops Vapor w/Blackhawk CQC holster for P2000

Arclight
09-05-08, 21:54
My g/f has been looking into a setup like this, in part because it's hard to get other kit small enough to fit (apparently chest rigs are all designed for large men, often wearing armor).

Any suggestions for folks with very small waists? OSOE Gear makes a Tapered belt (http://www.originalsoegear.com/taper.html), but even that's a bit large in the smallest size (per their sizing directions).

Basically, she needs a sensible way to carry 2-3 M4 magazines, 2 pistol mags, pistol (probably going drop-leg, so doesn't need to fit on the belt), Surefire and possibly dump pouch.... on a 28-ish inch waist.

Welcome any thoughts or alternative ideas.

jsebens
09-05-08, 23:37
Arclight, be VERY careful about fit on a woman when you look at MOLLE war belts; we bought an OSOE one for my wife, and it doesn't fit her at all well, due to the difference between her hips and waist. For it to fit at all comfortably and snugly, she'd have to wear it high enough that it'd be a girdle. This is NOT a negative comment about OSOE, simply an observation that women are not shaped the same as men. My OSOE belt served me extremely well for an 18-month deployment.

DWood
10-02-08, 13:32
I'll be attending a carbine class with Randy Cain this month and wanted to put together a rig that could be used in "battle", but be practical and low profile. I'm not military or LE and don't need to hump a lot of gear. Two AR-15 mags, two Glock mags, a pistol and a dump pouch are my requirements. I want a rig that can be kept fully loaded out and thrown on in a hurry.

I settled on a war belt set up after much research and advice from those who post here. The pistol has to ride nice and high. My set up is an ATS Tactical War Belt and duty belt, Eagle FB single AR mag pouch, Eagle FB single AR/Double pistol mag pouch, Maxpedition Roly Poly dump pouch, and Safariland 6004 for a Glock 34 or 35 ( I have both).

After reading about the "mod" for the 6004 to make it ride higher, I did a little research and found that Safariland makes the 6004-10 single strap leg shroud. It is much smaller than the standard shroud and rides higher. I ordered the 6004 with the smaller shroud directly from Safariland for $138.

It still hung too low from the factory so I had to mod it by repositioning the velcro attachment strap. Twenty minutes worth of work and now it rides almost as high as a belt holster. Initially I removed the plastic guard over the thumb release, but found that it actually allows a faster draw by keeping the holster away from the belt. I reinstalled it, but I might grind it down a bit with the Dremel.

I'll resist tempatation to add anything else. Can't wait to put it through its paces. Thanks for the help.


6004-10 Single Strap Leg Shroud

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/6004-10_l.jpg


War Belt

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/DSC_0294.jpg

Pistol

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/DSC_0299-1.jpg

Mag Holders

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/DSC_0298.jpg

jchen012
10-10-08, 22:04
Does anyone have experience with the TAG MOLLE Padded Patrol Belt? It seems like an unexpensive first line belt since it comes with both the padding and the belt. Or should I get them seperately and pay the extra money for the ICE or ATS?

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=53

ArmatusCivis91
10-15-08, 22:12
Where can I find the ICE belt for a good price?

nate
10-21-08, 09:22
Vinh-inator,

I think I went through what you are going through. I tried a 4 AR-mag subload before and thought it was too heavy. I bought an SKD Tactical Universal Tactical Vest and it works great. I was using it in the class we both attended. I only carried 4 mags on my chest and one on my belt and that was fine.

Hey Damon:
I am new to all this, however the vests seem to work better in terms of overloading yourself on the range. Anyhow, a concern of mine is placing my pistol mags. I have tried the eagle mag pouches, and I do have a belt double-mag-pouch. What set up would you recommend regarding the vest and the mag pouches?

drock330
10-22-08, 17:07
has anyone had any experience with CTOMS X-belt PS they claim it good kit


http://www.ctoms.ca/07/equipment/detail.php?product_id=11

flyfishdave
10-22-08, 18:59
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=16257&highlight=ctoms

Haven't been back to my chest rig setup yet!

gene
12-04-08, 10:43
Where can I find the ICE belt for a good price?


Try to find one that is used on one of the forums. Dont order it from ICE. You will likley never see it.

Jay Cunningham
02-24-09, 20:04
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/war_belt.jpg

hal_5555
03-20-09, 21:31
Try to find one that is used on one of the forums. Dont order it from ICE. You will likley never see it.

i think they are good to go. i have ordered two and they got here just fine in just over a week. a while ago they were totally on the suck.

here is mine:
ICE battle belt w/tag belt
ICE M4 2x shingle
2x pistol pouch
Safariland 6280 mounted on cut-down leg shroud
Rat RC3
Patriot Performance med pouch
Maxpedition Rolly-polly

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/picture402.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/picture407.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/picture412.jpg

jtb0311
04-04-09, 04:22
A couple of questions Hal -

What size is that ICE belt? How many columns of MOLLE webbing are there? I've got a DBT molle belt that is ok, except that the MOLLE portion only comes as far forward as my hips on either side. That ICE belt looks like it's got a lot more real estate.

hal_5555
04-04-09, 21:48
A couple of questions Hal -

What size is that ICE belt? How many columns of MOLLE webbing are there? I've got a DBT molle belt that is ok, except that the MOLLE portion only comes as far forward as my hips on either side. That ICE belt looks like it's got a lot more real estate.

It is a size MED. There are only 2 rows of loops/PALS. there are 21 columns. i have a size 29/30 waist size and it meets fairly close to the front. i would say 4 inches apart from both ends of the padded belt.

i like this belt because its padded but solid. it has not rolled on me yet and i dont need any suspenders. stays put. i really love this belt setup.

i would just move up in size of belt and go from there. the large belt is too large for me when i rachet it down it almost overlaps. so i went with the smallest.

i just ordered two more ICE belts two days ago and they are already shipping. one large and one med.

Dedpoet
04-10-09, 18:07
For anyone who has the Eagle Duty Belt (http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=171), can you tell me if the buckles are removable? I know the belt is 2" wide and want to know if I'm able to slide gear with 2" loops onto the belt or if I have to find hardware that clips over it. Thanks.

Irish
04-10-09, 18:43
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BushmasterFanBoy
04-10-09, 19:18
For anyone who has the Eagle Duty Belt (http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=171), can you tell me if the buckles are removable? I know the belt is 2" wide and want to know if I'm able to slide gear with 2" loops onto the belt or if I have to find hardware that clips over it. Thanks.

One of the buckles is removable, the other is not, so it may work if you intend to slide on a piece of gear.

LOKNLOD
06-08-09, 23:13
It's taken a long time, but I think I've finally gotten this pretty close to where I want it:

BFG lightweight duty belt (inner belt)
ICE battle belt (outer belt)
Eagle FB G17 double mag pouch
3x Eagle FB M4 single mag pouches
CSM drop pouch (ends up centered at about 6 o'clock)
homebrew high-ride Safariland holster for G34 w/ or w/o light (it's an ugly basketweave 6280 mounted on a chopped up shroud and kryloned)
BFG boo-boo pouch

Still needs spot for a hand-held light...

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/LOKNLOD/Gear/LOKNLODbeltrig.jpg

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FMF_Doc
06-14-09, 18:09
https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=89&pictureid=399

this is mine, it's a leftover from my civilian career.

hal_5555
06-21-09, 20:56
This one is for my wife's birthday. i did it in secret when i was supposed to be repairing some gear.

ICE tactical battle belt
Specter Gear inner belt
Specter Gear 2x mag pouch
ICE 2x M4 shingle
Maxpedition Rolly-Polly
Specter Gear utility pouch
Safariland 6280 Krylon'd
Blue Force Gear Boo Boo pouch

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture051.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture053.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture054.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture056.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture057.jpg

pcordick
06-25-09, 14:37
Secret Tac Gear for the wife, isn't that like a double bagger, likely to land you in the dog house?

Double Bagger: noun, inappropriate gift for ones wife.

Dog House:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wTg6YB2PRA



If it doesn't land you in the dog house, how did you manage that?

Cheers,

Paul

pcordick@icetactical.com
paul@icetactical.com

jsebens
06-25-09, 14:40
He never said it was for the wife...just that it was for her birthday. You don't give yourself presents on your wife's birthday?

Jake0331
06-25-09, 19:30
It's an interesting coincidence that his wife has a nearly identical setup as his multicam kit.

I think I'm going to buy another Harley for my wife's birthday. So what if she can't reach the ground...

hal_5555
06-26-09, 20:06
Secret Tac Gear for the wife, isn't that like a double bagger, likely to land you in the dog house?

Double Bagger: noun, inappropriate gift for ones wife.

Dog House:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wTg6YB2PRA



If it doesn't land you in the dog house, how did you manage that?

Cheers,

Paul

pcordick@icetactical.com
paul@icetactical.com


He never said it was for the wife...just that it was for her birthday. You don't give yourself presents on your wife's birthday?



It's an interesting coincidence that his wife has a nearly identical setup as his multicam kit.

I think I'm going to buy another Harley for my wife's birthday. So what if she can't reach the ground...


hahahahahaha... you guys crack me up!

dont worry... she will totally dig it! haha... she has another girly gift but she has wanted her own and she loves to shoot and learn. really guys... i married her for a reason! haha. having her own belt will let her practice and both go to courses. like i said... she will dig it!

she also is a lefty and likes my layout. we both have the same stuff, easier to manage. interchangeable. too easy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/picture1093.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/picture563.jpg

Jake0331
06-26-09, 21:27
Right on, man. Good to have a wife that digs shooting and shares your passion. She looks like a quick study, too. I appreciate the pictures of kit; the modded belts are a great idea outside of vehicular operations. Let us know how the Mrs. does in the classes, too.

snipertn
06-27-09, 07:41
This may be a little off topic, but i'm looking for 2 inexpensive green/desert Mollie vests. can anyone help?

Thanks,

snipertn

hal_5555
06-27-09, 07:58
This may be a little off topic, but i'm looking for 2 inexpensive green/desert Mollie vests. can anyone help?

Thanks,

snipertn


dude, its more than off topic! your talkin vests. belts here bro.

JEHalloranIV
06-28-09, 18:37
My warbelt has evolved to this:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/JEHalloranIV/HPIM0773.jpg

- Spectre duty belt
- ATS war belt
- ATS triple/triple
- ATS dumper
- ATS IFAK
- old 6004
- RAT 3
- Benchmade strap cutter

For those that are curious, light is in pocket, Surefire E1e

citadelshooter
06-28-09, 20:27
Let's put a normal "Everyday Joe" spin on this. However, use the base concealed carry kit I carry daily and add a "tactical carbine" option. A setup that allows for daily carry and add-on a M4 mag or two if needed. Currently setup for carry with my P220, but can switch it out for my Glock 19.

Here is my rig:

Wilderness Instructor Belt or Wellsmade Leather Belt
Old Kramer Scabbard (for the P220) or Milt Sparks VM2 (for either the P220 or G19, have one for each)
Desantis Double Pistol Magazine Pouch
Surefire G2 (sans pouch, my kydex one went tits up)
CRKT M16-M Folder (in pants pocket normally)
TacPack Blowout Kit (kept in pants pocket everyday since I am the designated "First Responder" at work)
5.11 Double M4 Pouch (for now, I hate it, going to replace with BladeTech Single)

Here is a pic of the rig setup for the P220/Kramer with the 5.11 pouch:

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL775/4424444/9356499/368277386.jpg

My plan is to replace the 5.11 pouch with a single BladeTech PMag TekLock and put a BFG RediMag on the carbine. That will lighten up the belt and give me 90rds total for the carbine if needed.

jtb0311
06-30-09, 17:16
I had a Blade Tek AR mag pouch with the Tek lock, but I replaced it with an Eagle G-code paddle I had laying around. It's pretty handy.

BLACK LION
08-05-09, 18:38
First line: T.A.G. releasable armor carrier. 4 T.A.G. double stack mag pouches on the chest (magnetic but does have flaps lust in case, I dont normally use the straps). I also have a T.A.G. shingle 8 mag pouch for my 6.8 mags. I run one expandable pouch next to the shingle(for whatever) with my knife(911 interceptor e&e with a red hill kydex sheath) mounted(molle lock)directly behind it. I have a molle shotgun scabbard mounted on the back of my carrier and thats pretty much it. I put a camel back back pack over it so I dont mount any other pouches.
I also use a T.A.G. riggers belt with a blackhawk serpa for my xd .45 and a blackhawk kydex flash light holder for my surefire. I also run few pouches on the belt for multi tool , gps , trauma kit , flares, small survival equipment.
If not the riggers belt then I also have a blackwater modular belt that I have 2 TAG expandable puches and 1 BW large pouch in back. I leave spave to mount my BH serpa holster using the molle attachment and my light etc...

I wouldnt mind some kydex mag holders for my XD and my AR so I can just run a riggers belt or modular belt with no carrier rig. Blade tech has a nice quad mag pouch but not for the .45...I would also have to find a smaller more low pro plate carrier... I would consider this high speed low drag set up for an incognito role or for competition and matches

qualityhardware
08-09-09, 09:05
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC01217.jpg

Cool rig.

What holster setup are you running with your M&P? I have been trying to find one for my M&P. I'm running the full size with the 5" barrel.

JSantoro
08-09-09, 11:44
It's an HSGI Universal Drop Holster Platform, made to mount any number of Kydex holster bodies. I can't necessarily tell what holster body he has, but he's got the QD belt attachment upside-down on the belt to bring the entire assembly higher.

I've got a similar arrangement, but with a Safariland 6378 in the platform for my M&P .45, and I swapped out the drop strap on it for an old velcro one, so I don't have the quick-detach ability like that.

NC, is your belt QD attachment that Emdom MOLLE thingamabob?

qualityhardware
08-09-09, 16:35
Riverine,

Thanks for the info. Will look into the 6378 as the holster. I have seen the HSGI UDHP and like the fact you can get it up higher on the leg than a 6004.

BushmasterFanBoy
08-12-09, 09:25
Here's my BFG Molle Belt Setup:


http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_5901.jpg


http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_5926.jpg


http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_5930.jpg

BLACK LION
08-12-09, 13:37
I have a blackwater belt that is pretty much identical to yours...

I like it.

panzerr
08-13-09, 12:54
X-belt PS from CTOMS

I set this belt up for use with my carbine. I shoot pistol most often, and had to come to a compromise between mag accessability, muscle memory and mobility. I decided to keep mag pouches away from the front side of my belt so I can bend normally. I also decided to keep my M4 magazines on my reaction side because when I wear this belt my M4 will be my primary. With my magazines on my strong arm side I decided to mount them horizontally, which allows me to bend and flex like normal and keeps my reload times close to what I'm used with magazines on my reaction side (like when I shoot pistol). The only hiccup is I have to train with this belt at the pistol range from time to time so I have awareness of where I have my magazines mounted.

I chose not to go with a drop leg holster. I found during my time in Iraq that anything on the leg can and will turn into a pain in the ass when the shit hits the fan, so I went with a blade-tech dropped and offset holster. It drops the pistol enough to keep it out of the way, yet is securely attached to me belt.

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt1.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt2.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt3.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt4.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt5.jpg

rob_s
08-13-09, 12:59
Panzerr, I have to say that while I'm typically anti-battle-belt, that is the most sensible version I've seen. I might do some different monkeying around with the magazines, but I like your approach.

I have actually toyed with the idea of setting one up similarly but instead of the DOH holster I was going to pick up a spare Raven (which is what my concealment holster is) and bolt the belt loops through two rows of the molle so that it rides on the belt, not below it. Would be strictly a training rig for me.

LonghunterCO
08-13-09, 13:41
Panzer- what is the retention system for your handgun mags. It looks like those might be easy to loose?

rob_s
08-13-09, 13:44
Panzer- what is the retention system for your handgun mags. It looks like those might be easy to loose?

It looks like one of the Eagle Double Pistol Mag Pouch, FB MOLLE (http://eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=397&cat=24&page=1) with the flaps cut off, and if so those magazines are fine. I have a couple of the singles and the FB system retains the magazines very well.

http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/D/397_Alt_1.jpg?1250187873299

http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/D/397_Alt_2.jpg?1250187898900

panzerr
08-13-09, 13:47
Panzerr, I have to say that while I'm typically anti-battle-belt, that is the most sensible version I've seen. I might do some different monkeying around with the magazines, but I like your approach.



Thanks. I don't typically use this. I also prefer to put mag pouches directly on my belt, but I do like this for cold weather use. When I pile on the layers I can put this directly over my clothing.

panzerr
08-13-09, 13:50
It looks like one of the Eagle Double Pistol Mag Pouch, FB MOLLE (http://eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=397&cat=24&page=1) with the flaps cut off, and if so those magazines are fine. I have a couple of the singles and the FB system retains the magazines very well.



You got it. I'm going to try out a kydex double mag holder of some sort. As you can see with the eagle FB pouches they are a little cock-eyed relative to each other as a result of mounting them horizontally.

heineken42069
08-14-09, 15:22
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/First%20Line%20Belt/01-1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/First%20Line%20Belt/02-3.jpg

rob_s
08-14-09, 15:29
You got it. I'm going to try out a kydex double mag holder of some sort. As you can see with the eagle FB pouches they are a little cock-eyed relative to each other as a result of mounting them horizontally.

I'm looking for someone to do some custom Kydex pouches for me that'll work on the Molle. Hadn't given much though to a double or a horizontal though. I can think of a few ways it could work.

jsebens
08-14-09, 15:49
Try Greg Peters (Peters Custom Holsters); I know he's working on a few things like that.

attack5
08-15-09, 23:58
Panzerr,

Would wedges work for you? I'm thinking if you mount your FB pouch on a wedge on your front weak side, the angle of offset would allow you to bend uninhibited.

panzerr
08-16-09, 01:52
Wedges? I don't know what these things are...

rob_s
08-16-09, 11:58
Wedges? I don't know what these things are...

A few guys are making a nylon-covered wedge with molle straps on the back to attach to the belt and molle webbing on the front to attach the pouch to. They're really intended to get the magazines clear of armor, but it might work for your purposes.

attack5
08-16-09, 23:19
A few guys are making a nylon-covered wedge with molle straps on the back to attach to the belt and molle webbing on the front to attach the pouch to. They're really intended to get the magazines clear of armor, but it might work for your purposes.

Exactly. Egg makes them, I know there are others but names are escaping me right now.

Panzerr PM sent.

wolverineSIERRA
08-27-09, 12:52
how the hell do those eagle ind pouches hold secure on you with those snap on molle things, it seems like every time you roll, go prone or bend the wrong way the would snap open and get loose????






X-belt PS from CTOMS

I set this belt up for use with my carbine. I shoot pistol most often, and had to come to a compromise between mag accessability, muscle memory and mobility. I decided to keep mag pouches away from the front side of my belt so I can bend normally. I also decided to keep my M4 magazines on my reaction side because when I wear this belt my M4 will be my primary. With my magazines on my strong arm side I decided to mount them horizontally, which allows me to bend and flex like normal and keeps my reload times close to what I'm used with magazines on my reaction side (like when I shoot pistol). The only hiccup is I have to train with this belt at the pistol range from time to time so I have awareness of where I have my magazines mounted.

I chose not to go with a drop leg holster. I found during my time in Iraq that anything on the leg can and will turn into a pain in the ass when the shit hits the fan, so I went with a blade-tech dropped and offset holster. It drops the pistol enough to keep it out of the way, yet is securely attached to me belt.

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt1.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt2.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt3.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt4.jpg

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/xbelt5.jpg

panzerr
08-27-09, 14:05
how the hell do those eagle ind pouches hold secure on you with those snap on molle things, it seems like every time you roll, go prone or bend the wrong way the would snap open and get loose????

I have the horizontally mounted FB pouches secured with Malice Clips. Malice Clips don't snap on.

GLOCKMASTER
08-28-09, 20:02
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/StreetFighter/DSC_0106.jpg

BAC
08-29-09, 11:48
I have the horizontally mounted FB pouches secured with Malice Clips. Malice Clips don't snap on.

I might have lost my thinking cap, but could you describe this setup a bit more? It looks somewhat like the Tactical Tailor horizontal panel.


-B

panzerr
08-29-09, 13:22
I might have lost my thinking cap, but could you describe this setup a bit more? It looks somewhat like the Tactical Tailor horizontal panel.


-B

No, no. I lost mine. The horizontal panel is mounted with Malice Clips. The pouches are secured with their molle flaps and snaps. It's quiet secure. A mag would drop out before the pouch would fall off.

BAC
08-29-09, 14:24
So you're weaving in two Malice clips as normal, then weaving two more in horizontally and mounting the pouch that way? Or just the vertical Malice clips that you're weaving the normal flaps and snaps through? Either way, that's a damn clever idea.


-B

LOKNLOD
08-29-09, 21:47
Hasn't been long since my last post in here but I picked up a BFG Ten-Speed pouch to try out and after my first outing with it, I like it.

I kept the first FB pouch in place to be my "go to" pouch, as it is easier to refill one-handed/blind. The BFG pouch let me squeeze up to 3 mags in the space I had 2 in FB pouches, and when I'm not using it there is a lot less bulk.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/LOKNLOD/Gear/LnL_belt.jpg

Mate
08-29-09, 22:14
Panzerr, how is your holster attached to your belt? Is it the sting ray attachment or something else?

Mr.Goodtimes
08-30-09, 11:21
how do you guys keep your belts from bouncing around? do you guys you clips or are they just tight enough that its not a problem?

Rickenbacker53
08-31-09, 17:10
Hasn't been long since my last post in here but I picked up a BFG Ten-Speed pouch to try out and after my first outing with it, I like it.

I kept the first FB pouch in place to be my "go to" pouch, as it is easier to refill one-handed/blind. The BFG pouch let me squeeze up to 3 mags in the space I had 2 in FB pouches, and when I'm not using it there is a lot less bulk.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/LOKNLOD/Gear/LnL_belt.jpg How do you run with all that weight. Looks like a hugh amount to carry on a belt.\Just curious

Failure2Stop
08-31-09, 17:38
It's a lot easier on the back when the weight is carried on the waist versus on the chest/shoulders and is generally a more efficient reload motion.


How do you run with all that weight. Looks like a hugh amount to carry on a belt.\Just curious

Rickenbacker53
08-31-09, 18:16
It's a lot easier on the back when the weight is carried on the waist versus on the chest/shoulders and is generally a more efficient reload motion.
Well I can understand 2 pistol and 2 rifle and the gun. But beyond that it seems like if you need more ammo you'd better have some form of larger carrier. It might be find just looks bulky. Maybe it's just the particular rig..

NCPatrolAR
09-04-09, 13:40
New rig I've been trying out for a few months (note holster was moved to a different rig for a LE class)



General overview:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02184.jpg




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02185.jpg

2 Emdom 6o4 - 3 Pistol mags, last pouch has a Surefire G2L

HSGI Taco pouches (T&E items)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02188.jpg

Eagle 6004 shroud

Emdom 3o2 (contains 1 pistol mag for 1 hand reloads)

Other items on the belt include ICE belt FAK and CSM dump pouch. Belt and suspenders are ICE and inner belt is an Eagle duty belt.

SiGfever
09-04-09, 17:05
How many mags are you guys running on your first line rigs? Right now I'm running four pistol mags and one AR mag. So far, this seems about right for me. If I use a Redi-mag, this seems like more than enough for most classes. Plus the belt works great for the Blackwater Practical Shooters Steel Challenge matches that I attend whenever I can. All I have to do is switch out the 6004 for my Blade-Tech belt holster and I'm ready to go.


What kind of set-ups are you guys running?

My current set-up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/2004_0117Farm20001.jpg

(1.) Two - Eagle (kydex lined) double 1911 mag pouches
(2.) Eagle MLCS Single M4 FB mag pouch
(3.) Eagle duty belt
(4.) Eagle belt pad
(5.) Eagle Duty Evidence Pouch
(6.) Paraclete small GP pouch
(7.) Safariland 6004 for 1911 w/X200

How much bigger if any should the duty belt be when running the "belt pad"?

panzerr
09-05-09, 09:09
Panzerr, how is your holster attached to your belt? Is it the sting ray attachment or something else?

The holster is mounted directly to the belt that runs through the padded molle outter section of the rig like so:

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/x_belt_holster_mount.JPG

The inner belt has a plastic stiffener sandwiched between two layers of nylon which makes it very rigid and does not flex under the weight of my 1911.

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/x_belt_holster_mount2.JPG

Spiffums
09-08-09, 11:25
Let's put a normal "Everyday Joe" spin on this. However, use the base concealed carry kit I carry daily and add a "tactical carbine" option. A setup that allows for daily carry and add-on a M4 mag or two if needed. Currently setup for carry with my P220, but can switch it out for my Glock 19.

Here is my rig:

Wilderness Instructor Belt or Wellsmade Leather Belt
Old Kramer Scabbard (for the P220) or Milt Sparks VM2 (for either the P220 or G19, have one for each)
Desantis Double Pistol Magazine Pouch
Surefire G2 (sans pouch, my kydex one went tits up)
CRKT M16-M Folder (in pants pocket normally)
TacPack Blowout Kit (kept in pants pocket everyday since I am the designated "First Responder" at work)
5.11 Double M4 Pouch (for now, I hate it, going to replace with BladeTech Single)

Here is a pic of the rig setup for the P220/Kramer with the 5.11 pouch:

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL775/4424444/9356499/368277386.jpg

My plan is to replace the 5.11 pouch with a single BladeTech PMag TekLock and put a BFG RediMag on the carbine. That will lighten up the belt and give me 90rds total for the carbine if needed.


Use 1 or 2 of the Blade Tech M4 pouches and it would "look" common.

rjacobs
09-15-09, 18:39
Does anybody use a Spec-Ops brand riggers belt as a base for a setup? The Spec-Ops riggers belt is about the best thing(best built and looks to be good quality) I can find locally to start building on. My other choice is a blackhawk instructor gun belt. Thinking of putting a blade-tech DOH holster for my 1911, one blade-tech 4 mag 1911 mag holder, 2 blade tech M4 PMag holders and a dump pouch of some kind. I was going to build a chest rig with all of the above(slight variations), but I think a belt would be better for what I am going to use it for.

http://www.specopsbrand.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=26

mos2111
09-23-09, 10:46
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mos2111/IMG_2497.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mos2111/IMG_2498-1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mos2111/Picture085.jpg

Fits 3 AR mags or 2 AK mags - I run it with either 2 AR or 2 AK. Full IFAK and all the goodies. Holster is for G21 with TRL1. This lets me keep any model glock with or without a TRL 1 retained in the holster.
Took me a while to get all this arranged in a way that I like and is simple, but this can be worn all day with no issues and I can still wear it comfortably in a vehicle or sitting down.

Romeo Foxtrot
09-25-09, 17:00
do you guys have any trouble with these first line belts riding up on you when your running/moving etc?

PA PATRIOT
10-03-09, 14:23
Gentlemen,

Been watching this thread for awhile and wanted to post a question,

Are these belt set-ups a first line SHTF belt system or more training day rigs? The reason I ask is some appear lean and functional while others have everything but the kitchen sink attached. What mission roles does everyone foresee their belt having to cover?

Chameleox
10-03-09, 15:39
I've been watching it a while too, long before I signed up. Lots of good info and good ideas here.
I'm just starting to set up a first line belt. Mine will be for duty, specifically SWAT. Planning to run my pistol holster, pistol reloads and 3-4 out of 7 rifle reloads off of it. Also mounting my dump pouch, radio, light, and IFAK on it, since I might run the belt alone without the rest of my gear in some (rare) circumstances.

Jay Cunningham
10-04-09, 13:55
so I went with a blade-tech dropped and offset holster. It drops the pistol enough to keep it out of the way, yet is securely attached to me belt

Hmm, I am sort of liking that. How is it working out for you?

panzerr
10-04-09, 15:00
Hmm, I am sort of liking that. How is it working out for you?

It works great! The strapless design is infinitely more comfortable than standard drop leg holsters and does not impede movement. I liked it so much I got a second Blade-Tech DOH holster for regular range use. Plus, at about $80 it is a cheaper alternative to drop leg holsters. You really should try one for yourself!

Jay Cunningham
10-04-09, 15:17
It works great! The strapless design is infinitely more comfortable than standard drop leg holsters and does not impede movement. I liked it so much I got a second Blade-Tech DOH holster for regular range use. Plus, at about $80 it is a cheaper alternative to drop leg holsters. You really should try one for yourself!

I am thinking that I just might. Thanks for posting the detailed pics and also for your explanation of why you chose your layout.

Failure2Stop
10-04-09, 16:55
I originally posted this in another thread-


Finally got back and sorted out and charged my camera and uploaded a few pics.

Here you can see my belt configured to be a stand-alone support item. As pictured it carries 2 pistol mags, 3 rifle mags, a bleeder kit, a light, a multitool, a pistol, as well as any bits and bobs I stuff into my admin pouch and/or dump pouch.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/Belt-H.jpg

I wear the belt setup without any additional straps. I have a set of the HSGI suspenders, but I didn't need them and I haven't had a need for any additional stability yet. Should I make a drastic weight increase (as if I were going for classic 782 style) I would probably look into a suspension system such as from the MAV. As it is, the weight is fine and the overbelt seats well.

Inner belt- Specter. I would happily go with pretty much any decent duty belt, the stiffer the better.

Outer Molle Belt- as pictured- Specter. I had an ATS, and the only reason I got the Specter is that I needed a large ATS but had a Med. The Med was fine when worn in conjunction with armor but I wanted a bit more toward the front for use without armor and I needed it right away. The Specter was available but the ATS would take a few days to arrive. The ATS is a bit slimmer and less expensive, but the Specter has adjustable wings (which meant that I could use a Med Specter, which made me feel better about my waist size :rolleyes:). I have no qualms with going back to an ATS, and probably will for a dedicated no-armor setup.

Pistol pouches- Eagle FB.

Rifle Speed Reload- as pictured- Eagle FB. I have also been using the ATS shorty and the Triad Flop-Top. They are all decent, but the Eagle is the easiest to back-fill, so it gets top billing. I want to try the ICE and ITW offerings but haven't gotten around to it. The Gen III ITW Fast-Mag has high potential to replace my Eagle FBs, as the FBs are several years old and getting a bit worn out.

Rifle Double Pouch- ATS Double. It can convert from an open-top to bungee retention to flap retention. For run and gun I use the bungee only on the rear mag with the outer bungee tight enough to prevent the loose mag from escaping.

Frag- Eagle, but I prefer and use a TAG Frag pouch on my armor.

Dump- Emdom. Flatter than the other options that feel like you are walking around with a Basketball hoop sticking out of your ass.

Admin- Emdom. It's called a small utility or some such. Not terribly important- I keep a few necessaries in it at all times- Cr123 batteries (4), lighter, SureFire Ear plugs, lube, Neosporin, and usually a can of Copenhagen which always seems to migrate to the dump pouch for some reason.

Bleeder- HSGI Bleeder Pouch. Fits all that I can reasonably hope to do for myself or another shooter. Anything beyond what I carry is the domain of the hole-pluggers anyway. I have a QuickClot bandage, CAT (tourniquet), ACS, and a pair of shears. I have no intention of doing an NPA in a gunfight or to myself, so that stuff gets pushed to the main first aid kit on my back.

Multi-Tool/Light pouch- I can't remember, not all that sexy anyway. I would prefer one with a buckle though as I am sick of losing multitools.

Holster- The model slips my memory (will check later) but it is a Safariland ALS holster bolted to a 1.5" Safariland drop adaptor. I am about 95% happy with it. I would like it to be a bit more stable laterally (outward from thigh, not front to back), but that has more to do with belt stiffness than the holster.

I don't really place any of the items I named to be the pen-ultimate at what they do. It's more a matter of concept than specific item.

Hope this helps.


This is a top-down view to show roughly where everything sits on the belt in relation to the body. Yes, the holster is forward of the trouser seam.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/Belt-HTop.jpg

This is the belt setup for use with heavy armor.
It carries 2 pistol mags, 1 frag grenade, dumper, admin, multitool, and pistol.
The pistol pouches have to move slightly toward 9:00 to clear a rifle pouch on my armor. The frag replaces the rifle mag since my vest carries a bunch of rifle mags and the thickness of the cummerbund/armor overlap makes sticking a rifle mag at 9:00 restrictive.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/Belt-L.jpg

Here you can see how everything fits together from the front with me holding my invisible rifle.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/FrontRiflemock.jpg

This is the setup from the right side in the pretend rifle pose.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/Side-RRiflemock.jpg
Notice that the right side of the armor and belt are as free as possible of obstructions to the pistol. It also allows the right arm to tuck in tighter to the body, reducing the target profile and avoiding the elbow from smashing into stuff during entries or dynamic movement (fancy name for running into shit). This is kind of an important one, and it is an amateurish mistake to impede the draw with gear. I see it a lot with first-aid kits. Hint- if you got your gun into the fight faster you wouldn't need so many first aid items to plug your squirters. For some reason this seems to be in vogue with a lot of people that are disconnected from the realities of a gunfight. Kit must first be setup to support your winning the fight, stopping bullets from ruining your chi, and asking for more people to come shoot people with you. After that, in distant second place, it deals with retaining bodily fluids. This advice applies to those whose jobs hinge on the application of kinetic managment to a chaotic situation, and those whoe jobs revolve around sticking bits of gauze into gunshots or driving armored vehicles around will need to follow a different path.

Here you can see it from the back.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/BackILS.jpg

The thing to remember is that different jobs will require different layouts and armor levels. Different vests will have different features that might reduce the need for pouches. Different duties will determine different layouts. Different body types and skill levels will cause difference in layouts. But the biggest thing is simply time and experience. Not only in setting up one's own gear, but in identifying issues with other's as well. If your gear has 10 issues ranging from mild to critical, guys with sufficient experience should be able to identify 9 of those on an initial look-over, and will probably be able to tell you how to improve 3 other things that won't make a difference until you spend more time sweating into the kit.

5pins
10-06-09, 23:36
Anyone have any experience with the 5.11/VTAC LBE belt? LA police gear has it on closeout for $8.72. I was looking at one at a local dealer and it looked fine but the price was around $30. Their mag pouches are on closeout also. I'm liking the idea of having a belt with all the stuff I need ready to go if I need it.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-tactical-lbe-belt.html

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-tactical-double-mag-bungee.html

zchen
10-07-09, 00:21
Anyone have any experience with the 5.11/VTAC LBE belt? LA police gear has it on closeout for $8.72. I was looking at one at a local dealer and it looked fine but the price was around $30. Their mag pouches are on closeout also. I'm liking the idea of having a belt with all the stuff I need ready to go if I need it.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-tactical-lbe-belt.html

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-tactical-double-mag-bungee.html

no experience with the belt, however I must warn you on those mag pouches. I bought one out of curiosity. The bungee cord is way too stiff and tight for 30 rd magazines (and even more so on pmags), and the pouch opening is also on the small side. That makes inserting and retrieving mags quite a chore to do; defeating the whole purpose of having open top mag pouches.

Tzoid
10-07-09, 22:38
[QUOTE=hal_5555;394335]This one is for my wife's birthday. i did it in secret when i was supposed to be repairing some gear.

ICE tactical battle belt
Specter Gear inner belt
Specter Gear 2x mag pouch
ICE 2x M4 shingle
Maxpedition Rolly-Polly
Specter Gear utility pouch
Safariland 6280 Krylon'd
Blue Force Gear Boo Boo pouch

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Tactical%20Gear/Picture051.jpg
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Where does someone buy the ICE Belt?? I found a website but you can't order from the site so I called the number...In Canada and the Phone is a non working number...WTF?? :rolleyes:

Any suggestions?

Thanks

5pins
10-07-09, 23:17
Where does someone buy the ICE Belt?? I found a website but you can't order from the site so I called the number...In Canada and the Phone is a non working number...WTF?? :rolleyes:

Any suggestions?

Thanks

http://www.icetactical.com/platforms-battlebelt.html

pcordick
10-07-09, 23:19
http://www.icetactical.com/platforms-battlebelt.html

Just drop me an email or check out Blackstone Tactical.

Tzoid
10-08-09, 15:51
I just ordered a ICE Battlebelt and Spector Tactical Operations Belt with 2 TACO Single Mag Pouches . I will post photo's when it all arrives and my BladeTech DOH Holster for my M&P 9 Pro gets here.

I have to say Charles at Blackstone Tactical is awesome to deal with and he has many ICE Belts in stock and gave me free shipping on my order since I'm a member of M4carbine. :D

Buck50
10-08-09, 21:36
I just ordered a ICE Battlebelt and Spector Tactical Operations Belt with 2 TACO Single Mag Pouches . I will post photo's when it all arrives and my BladeTech DOH Holster for my M&P 9 Pro gets here.

I have to say Charles at Blackstone Tactical is awesome to deal with and he has many ICE Belts in stock and gave me free shipping on my order since I'm a member of M4carbine. :D

Thanks for the kind words Tzoid!

Tornado_Racing
10-09-09, 05:15
Here is my belt. My budget does not allow me to purchase the high end tactical gear so I use what I can afford. Items in red I have not purchased yet.

Condor Tactical Belt http://www.condoroutdoor.com/tbtacticalbelt.aspx
Condor Belt Pad http://www.condoroutdoor.com/211battlebelt.aspx
Condor Drop Leg Holster http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ulhlegholster.aspx
Condor Open Top M4 Mag Pouch http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma18opentopm4m16magpouch.aspx
Condor IPod/Cell Phone Pocket Pouch http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma16pocketpouchwithusflagpatch.aspx
Eagle Single Pistol FB Pouch http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=333&cat=24&page=3
Blackhawk Serpa Sportster XD http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Sportster-SERPA-Holster,1146,1410.htm
T.A.G. Dump Pouch http://www.optactical.com/tagdumppouch.html

Currently I can carry 2x 19 round pistol mags, 2x 30 round P-Mags, horizontal mounted allen wrench set and leatherman (on both sides of the buckle). I shortened up the drop leg so it rides higher and attached the Serpa to the leg pad. I had a few questions and was wondering if some of you might be able to help.

1. Where can I purchase a Cobra or Cop Lock for my rig?
2. How would I keep the inner belt from sliding through the padded belt?

I want to swap out the main buckle but not sure where to look for a Cobra or Cop Lock. Also the inner belt slides and is not secured to the padded belt, so a few suggestions on how to fix this. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3972/dscf1004.jpg

Chameleox
10-09-09, 10:11
No expert but...
Do either of your belts have velcro on one side? If so, you can buy some velcro from a craft store and put some on either the belt or the MOLLE sleeve. Or both, if neither have velcro. Just a thought.
I just finished putting my belt together. I'll have to get some pics up. Big thanks to Failure2Stop for the excellent post (and repost) on his take on belt setup (worth a sticky all by itself).

Rickenbacker53
10-09-09, 11:25
Here is my belt. My budget does not allow me to purchase the high end tactical gear so I use what I can afford. Items in red I have not purchased yet.

Condor Tactical Belt http://www.condoroutdoor.com/tbtacticalbelt.aspx
Condor Belt Pad http://www.condoroutdoor.com/211battlebelt.aspx
Condor Drop Leg Holster http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ulhlegholster.aspx
Condor Open Top M4 Mag Pouch http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma18opentopm4m16magpouch.aspx
Condor IPod/Cell Phone Pocket Pouch http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma16pocketpouchwithusflagpatch.aspx
Eagle Single Pistol FB Pouch http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=333&cat=24&page=3
Blackhawk Serpa Sportster XD http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Sportster-SERPA-Holster,1146,1410.htm
T.A.G. Dump Pouch http://www.optactical.com/tagdumppouch.html

Currently I can carry 2x 19 round pistol mags, 2x 30 round P-Mags, horizontal mounted allen wrench set and leatherman (on both sides of the buckle). I shortened up the drop leg so it rides higher and attached the Serpa to the leg pad. I had a few questions and was wondering if some of you might be able to help.

1. Where can I purchase a Cobra or Cop Lock for my rig?
2. How would I keep the inner belt from sliding through the padded belt?

I want to swap out the main buckle but not sure where to look for a Cobra or Cop Lock. Also the inner belt slides and is not secured to the padded belt, so a few suggestions on how to fix this. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3972/dscf1004.jpg First off this looks like a nice setup. I sure wouldn't make excuses for it. Looks good to me. How much $$$ and where did you buy it.

Second you could try velcro on the belt but if it were me. I would go to a craft store. Buy a nice heavy leather sewing needle, a thimble, and thread you'd stitch leather with and just sew a few spots down.

If you don't want to attempt that: Find a Shoe Repair Shop. Have them stitch through the belt. Just make sure either way you have the belt where you want it. Put it on and mark it.

A 3rd option would be to find a screw and holder like what they use on Kydex units and just attach your holster loop to the belt. The right sort of flat rivet would work also. ( Thats what I did ) If I want to take the belt out at some point I just pop the rivet. Just make sure if you do any of this you put the unit on in your lightest outfit. Than tighten the belt and mark it. That way you'll have adjustment in the belt for a heavier clothes situation .

Tornado_Racing
10-09-09, 12:18
No expert but...
Do either of your belts have velcro on one side? If so, you can buy some velcro from a craft store and put some on either the belt or the MOLLE sleeve. Or both, if neither have velcro. Just a thought.
I just finished putting my belt together. I'll have to get some pics up. Big thanks to Failure2Stop for the excellent post (and repost) on his take on belt setup (worth a sticky all by itself).

The inner belt has velcro so I went in sewed velcro to the outer belt. I also sewed velcro to the outer belt where the drop leg openings are.

This seems to work good, just need to see if my sewing skills will hold up in time. lol

Thanks for the input and suggestions.

Tornado_Racing
10-09-09, 12:29
First off this looks like a nice setup. I sure wouldn't make excuses for it. Looks good to me. How much $$$ and where did you buy it.

Second you could try velcro on the belt but if it were me. I would go to a craft store. Buy a nice heavy leather sewing needle, a thimble, and thread you'd stitch leather with and just sew a few spots down.

If you don't want to attempt that: Find a Shoe Repair Shop. Have them stitch through the belt. Just make sure either way you have the belt where you want it. Put it on and mark it.

A 3rd option would be to find a screw and holder like what they use on Kydex units and just attach your holster loop to the belt. The right sort of flat rivet would work also. ( Thats what I did ) If I want to take the belt out at some point I just pop the rivet. Just make sure if you do any of this you put the unit on in your lightest outfit. Than tighten the belt and mark it. That way you'll have adjustment in the belt for a heavier clothes situation .

Thanks for the suggestions. The sewed velco seems to be working for now. I may take it to a shop and have them sew it as a just in case.

To me my rig is very comfotable and wasn't that expensive. All items were purchased off Ebay.

1x Condor Inner Belt $14.50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Tactical-Instructor-Pistol-Cuff-Duty-Nylone-Belt-Tan_W0QQitemZ300282534289QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ea3bd991)
1x Condor Outer Padded Belt $18.75 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Tactical-MOLLE-Battle-Belt-Length-43-Size-L-42-46-Tan_W0QQitemZ250510130579QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53913d93)
1x Condor Drop Leg Holster $17.50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Drop-Leg-Thigh-Pistol-Leg-Holster-universal-Tan_W0QQitemZ300330967000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ed1edfd8)
2x Condor Mag Pouches $19.50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pull-Tab-MOLLE-PALS-Single-Magpul-Mag-Pouch-5-56-mm-Tan_W0QQitemZ250510130475QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53913d2b)
1x Shipping $17.00

2x Eagle Mag Pouches $18.99 (Free Shipping) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400077715446&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching)

1x Blackhawk Serpa Sportster $24.99 (local purchase)

Right in the middle of the back I will install the Condor Dump Pouch (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300335669456&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). The Ipod/Cell Phone Pouch (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300294203027&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) will go on the right side opposite the pistol mag pouches for my wallet, cell phone, and keys. Just waiting for those to arrive.

Outlander Systems
10-10-09, 17:27
Anyone know anything about this:

http://nancytactical.blogspot.com/2009/01/molle-war-belt-v3.html

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh200/nancytactical/War%20Belt%20v3/IMG_2542.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh200/nancytactical/H%20Harness/IMG_2567.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh200/nancytactical/H%20Harness/IMG_2571.jpg

BC520
10-11-09, 11:44
The buckle is the same one that TT uses. It will sometimes release on you if you go prone on surfaces like gravel or other rocks or anything else that can project up enough to push that tab in. Not a fan of that buckle.

Otherwise, no knowledge of the belt. Looks like we're coming full circle again with belts and suspenders.

Tzoid
10-11-09, 11:54
Try the Spector Tactical Operations Belt , It has an extra locking mechanism to limit accidental release. I see there are many in this thread using it.

Outlander Systems
10-11-09, 16:03
Got an e-mail back from Joel at Zulu Nylon.

Apparently his War Belt can be customisable as per the end-user's specification, and each item is custom made.

I'm convinced I am sold.

I haven't had any experience with the TT buckle. I've used the standard ALICE pistol belts and the Blackhawk enhanced belts. The BH belt has an extremely difficult to undo buckle, which might be advantageous for a Battle-Belt setup.

I'm gonna rap with Joel about the possibility of a buckle revision, and see what can be worked up.

LOKNLOD
10-11-09, 17:00
Sorry I didn't see this before...just happened to catch it going back to look for something else.


How do you run with all that weight. Looks like a hugh amount to carry on a belt.\Just curious

I wore it for 2 days at Magpul class a couple weeks ago, and didn't find it to be a problem. Prone, kneeling, supine, urban prone on either side, running, no problems. By the end of day two I was sore pretty much everywhere but my hips and lower back.


It's a lot easier on the back when the weight is carried on the waist versus on the chest/shoulders and is generally a more efficient reload motion.

Definitely agree with this. On the reload motion note, one benefit I found was that if my go-to pouch was empty (more than one reload in the drill, shooting too much to stop and backfill) all I had to do was continue the same motion to get to the next available mag, not stop and try to figure out where on my chest to grab at a new one with a different grasping motion. It was also pretty smooth to backfill from the 10-spd pouch to the FB pouch.


Well I can understand 2 pistol and 2 rifle and the gun. But beyond that it seems like if you need more ammo you'd better have some form of larger carrier. It might be find just looks bulky. Maybe it's just the particular rig..

I don't think it's as bulky as it might look in that picture. Laying it flat causes it to bunch up since it's built with a natural curve to it. I'm also a relatively small diameter guy ;) so the amount of stuff on my belt looks more bunched up than some of the bigger-boned guys. The 10-speed pouch is very flat to the body, and the whole rig is pretty comfy. Personally I find stuff on my chest to be much more awkward and bulky. I like this allows me to get workable loadout onto my belt without needing to add a second item when i want more than 1 or 2 mags. Plus if I only put one mag in the FB pouch, the 10-speed is effectively no longer there, so there's no added bulk or weight for those "light" days ;)

Romeo Foxtrot
10-12-09, 08:32
i cant get too excited about these damn belts. I can see where theyre kinda nice but... i wouldnt use one in place of a chest rig.

When i start putting this much crap around my waist i feel like it impedes my mobility.

hal_5555
10-12-09, 13:00
i cant get too excited about these damn belts. I can see where theyre kinda nice but... i wouldnt use one in place of a chest rig.

When i start putting this much crap around my waist i feel like it impedes my mobility.

to me its the direct opposite. at first i was weary but then jumped. i now am always suprized you can carry what you do on your hips without percieved loss of mobility!

it all is in what you choose though. i love my setup and its very close to my midsection.
here is a good picture of how close it actually rides...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/HAL_5555/Wounded%20Warrior%20Shoot/IMG_0268DesktopResolution.jpg

Outlander Systems
10-12-09, 13:09
The appeal to me is to increase mobility, not impede it.

Since I'm not using a plate, I have a vest. I've used plate carriers in the past, since I like the MOLLE platform, and the lack of a zipper means more real-estate for kit.

I've used a BH Omega and a STRIKE plate carrier, I've also used the TT MAV.

Of the three, the MAV afforded the most mobility.

I want to get stuff off my core, so I have better shoulder rotation, fewer snag points in my workspace, and better load displacement.

Load carriage on the pelvis is the most efficient way to go.

rob_s
10-12-09, 19:30
i cant get too excited about these damn belts.

Don't worry, give it a couple of years and the pendulum will swing back the other way and "Rhodesian" rigs will be trendy again. ;)

zchen
10-12-09, 20:58
In a home defense situation I'd just stuff mags and a first aid kit in cargo pants I think. For training and major social disturbances I'm liking war belt and suspenders because to me it just distribute the load better. But then again, I just can't have that much stuff on the belt without causing issues. The most I see is 3~4 primary mags, 4 secondary mags, light, ifak, and storage pouch for other stuff. Adding a chest rig is an option I played with (TT 2 piece MAV, Eagle FB chest rig), but too many straps are bad.

Obviously I still need to play with gear setup a lot more

What I got so far is this setup (I'm still playing with the pouch setup)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j256/zchen5/IMG_2472.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j256/zchen5/IMG_2471.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j256/zchen5/IMG_2473.jpg

The belt is a Blackwater IO belt I picked up for $20 back when everything was on sale.

The suspenders are HSGI, cut and mated to a Tactical Tailor X-Harness. (In retrospect I may want to go with a ATS H-Harness or OSOE H-Harness for lower profile) and allows a hydration pouch to be connected on the back.

Since the blackwater belt is not like the sleeves setup where one can access the inner belt, I chose to keep the pistol holster (either bladetech 1.5" drop or Safariland 6004 dropleg) connected to the pants belt still. There are ways to get around this of course.

The chest piece is a TT Mav BiB, connected to the X-Harness using 1.5" SR buckles. A strap around the body was made with 1" webbing and 1" repair SR buckles. It can be added and removed quite easily. It allows 3x8 rows of molle. One can use a TT MAP bib instead also. For even more real estate one can hook up a TT MAP or TT MAV. I would imaging other micro rigs on the market can be adapted also.

Tornado_Racing
10-15-09, 15:23
Double posts

Waggoneer
10-15-09, 17:02
I recently purchased a Safariland 6285 (1.5-inch Drop Level II Holster - Tac Light - STX Finish ~STX Tactical / Right Draw {14B}) to fit my XDm 40 with a TLR1 weapon light.

It fits the weapon great, but on a standard 2 inch web belt it wants to flip up on the draw. The belt loop is 2.25 inches and I am having a hard time finding a belt that would fit my 34 inch waist.

I don't need anything too beefy. I run a Eagle Active Shooter chest harness to carry all my magazines.

Can anyone recommend a good belt?

Outlander Systems
10-18-09, 10:32
It works great! The strapless design is infinitely more comfortable than standard drop leg holsters and does not impede movement. I liked it so much I got a second Blade-Tech DOH holster for regular range use. Plus, at about $80 it is a cheaper alternative to drop leg holsters. You really should try one for yourself!

Panzerr: Can the DOH be attached to a 2.5 pistol belt, or will it only work with a Rigger's belt as the base?

Chameleox
10-18-09, 11:00
"Can anyone recommend a good belt?"

In this case, The stiffer the better. I also use a 6285 holster on my 1st line belt. Its attached to an ATS Belt that runs through the MOLLE Sleeve. Think Duty Belt type stiffness.

panzerr
10-18-09, 14:54
Panzerr: Can the DOH be attached to a 2.5 pistol belt, or will it only work with a Rigger's belt as the base?


The DOH adapter is adjustable up to 2 5/16" opening. It should be able to take a single thickness pistol belt no problem so long as it isn't any wider than 2 5/16".

Outlander Systems
10-18-09, 16:35
The DOH adapter is adjustable up to 2 5/16" opening. It should be able to take a single thickness pistol belt no problem so long as it isn't any wider than 2 5/16".

Roger that. I think I've found my next holster.

Like you, I find that DL anything drives me bonkers. The Bladetech looks like it gets it out of the way, but without the annoying flop/constrictor/twister game of the DL platforms.

Thanks for the help.

Titleist
10-23-09, 12:19
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ICE_01.jpg
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ICE_02.jpg

ICE V3 Adjustable Battle Belt (Eagle Duty Belt on the inside)
Eagle Single FB 5.56 Pouches
Eagle Double 9mm FB pouches
Eagle 9mm Pouch (multitool)
Raven Concealment Phantom LC (M&P Pro + X300)

decodeddiesel
10-23-09, 12:23
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ICE_01.jpg
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ICE_02.jpg

ICE V3 Adjustable Battle Belt (Eagle Duty Belt on the inside)
Eagle Single FB 5.56 Pouches
Eagle Double 9mm FB pouches
Eagle 9mm Pouch (multitool)
Raven Concealment Phantom LC (M&P Pro + X300)

Looks good Dude! Say, how did you attach the RCS to the belt? Can you take a close up of that?

Titleist
10-23-09, 12:40
Thanks man.

I'll take some photos of how I attached it later tonight. But simple explanation, I took some 1.75" belt loops, used a heat gun to make them pliable and then flattened them to slip through the two roles of molle webbing. It works quite well considering the RCS wasn't intended to go on a molle system.

LonghunterCO
10-23-09, 12:47
Thanks man.

I'll take some photos of how I attached it later tonight. But simple explanation, I took some 1.75" belt loops, used a heat gun to make them pliable and then flattened them to slip through the two roles of molle webbing. It works quite well considering the RCS wasn't intended to go on a molle system.

nice setup...do you need suspenders with that is loaded up?

Titleist
10-23-09, 12:56
So far it hasn't slipped, that said I haven't really tested it too much, but for now I'd say no suspenders needed. But I'll know for a fact next weekend after a CQB match, that'll usually show me if it's working well or not. But so far all systems go.

Outlander Systems
10-23-09, 22:27
I started working on my battle belt.

Thanks to Panzerr, I decided on the BT DOH. I didn't realise it was so girly:

"The Drop & Offset holster is very popular for range work and is perfect for women's carry."

Thanks to Tornado Racing I opted to go with the Condor Belt pad.

I have a good slew of spare pouches, but I still haven't decided on which AR mag pouch to go with. I've noticed no one has opted for the bungee retention pouches...

rob_s
10-24-09, 04:56
Thanks man.

I'll take some photos of how I attached it later tonight. But simple explanation, I took some 1.75" belt loops, used a heat gun to make them pliable and then flattened them to slip through the two roles of molle webbing. It works quite well considering the RCS wasn't intended to go on a molle system.

I just got a T&E belt from BFG and was going to get in touch with Raven to see if they could do me up some 3" loops to do the same thing you did.

Sierrahotel83
10-24-09, 10:38
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ICE_01.jpg
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ICE_02.jpg

ICE V3 Adjustable Battle Belt (Eagle Duty Belt on the inside)
Eagle Single FB 5.56 Pouches
Eagle Double 9mm FB pouches
Eagle 9mm Pouch (multitool)
Raven Concealment Phantom LC (M&P Pro + X300)
Titleist this pic means something to me...;) oh yeah I will soon have that MLCS belt...:D I have 4 Eagle FB 9mm pouches on the way... $38 for all 4 shipping and all... :Dnow to figure out what mag pouch to use...:confused:

Titleist
10-24-09, 11:59
I just got a T&E belt from BFG and was going to get in touch with Raven to see if they could do me up some 3" loops to do the same thing you did.

I meant rows, not roles. I can speel.

Here's how I modified the loops. I went with 1.75" mainly because it was a total guess, but I also wanted to make sure things stayed as tight as possible so there would be no give on the holster, i.e when you pull up the holster doesn't have any slack. I failed to mention, ordering from ICE is a nightmare and a half. I snagged mine from Blackstone Tactical. I believe some more of the adjustable belts are coming in, but they're well worth it. I really need to run this next weekend to see how well it does versus my MLCS belt.

And pics to explain:

http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/BeltRCS_01.jpg

http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/BeltRCS_02.jpg

decodeddiesel
10-24-09, 12:23
OK so I really like the idea of an adjustable padded belt, ICE makes one, who else?

LOKNLOD
10-24-09, 12:38
OK so I really like the idea of an adjustable padded belt, ICE makes one, who else?

I think the BFG outer belt is also adjustable for size?

Titleist, I like that setup.