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I picked one up and have efiled a form 1. Hoping it come back as fast as my last one.
For 922 parts count, can I use a U.S. muzzle device, AR FCG, and SIG MCX stock?
I have a Stribog. It's a really nice firearm, especially for the money. I'd like to SBR mine, but Eagle Imports didn't bring in buttstocks. So, I just set mine up as a pistol with a brace. Looking at Eagle Imports' website, they seem to have dropped Grand Power from their website. As of last month, Global Imports is taking over as the US importer. Hopefully, they'll bring in the buttstocks.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/03/07/global-ordnance-llc-and-grand-power-announce-partnership/
Their website also indicates that the version they're bringing in will have a non-reciprocating charging handle. Hopefully, they'll offer a kit to upgrade the previous imports.
Here's mine:
https://i.postimg.cc/N0fJrSnd/Stribog-field-stripped.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/W4W9mSLT/Stribog-with-pistol-brace.jpg
Here's the list of sec922 parts. I only count the 13 bolded below as being in this firearm assuming that you're attaching a buttstock. The handguard is part of the receiver and the pistol grip is part of the trigger housing, so they don't count. So, by my count (which could be wrong) only two of the existing parts need to be replaced with US made parts. If you want to attach a muzzle device, it will need to be US made unless you replace another of the listed parts. Are you sure that an AR FCG can be used? That would be too easy, but I've never heard of that.
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or castings.
(2) Barrels.
(3) Barrel extensions.
(4) Mounting blocks (trunnions).
(5) Muzzle attachments.
(6) Bolts.
(7) Bolt carriers.
(8) Operating rods.
(9) Gas pistons.
(10) Trigger housings.
(11) Triggers.
(12) Hammers.
(13) Sears.
(14) Disconnectors.
(15) Buttstocks.
(16) Pistol grips.
(17) Forearms, handguards.
(18) Magazine bodies.
(19) Followers.
(20) Floor plates.
Bret,
Have you shot a Scorpion before? Can you compare the two?
Assuming that you're talking about the new CZ Scorpion, no I have not. It's on my list of things to do, but I just have to find someone who has one.
On the other hand, if you're talking about the original iconic vz.61 in 32ACP (I know you're not), then I have one. It's fun to shoot, but the Stribog is a much better more modern pistol.
https://i.postimg.cc/DZF4Jx89/Scorpion-SBR-Stock-Extended.jpg
Thanks,
You’re right I was talking about the new one. I finally shot one and I was surprised at how heavy the bolt was. It felt almost like shooting my AR which surprised me. I was hoping to find something bigger than a .22 that still had a lower recoil than the AR for my wife.
A GHM9 would be fun but that’s a lot of $$
It's been a while, so I figured that I'd post an update. I e-filed a Form 1 to SBR my Stribog. I installed a 9mm AR15 magazine adapter so that it could use US made magazines for 922(r) compliance, installed a tri-lug adapter and installed a factory buttstock.
https://i.postimg.cc/kGGq1vpm/Stribog-right-view.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vB3GtNXh/Stribog-left-view.jpg
I've updated the 922(r) parts count because I found an error. I thought that the bolt pictured in post #2 was one piece. It turns out there are two pieces. The bottom part (bolt) is just captured really tightly by the long top part (bold carrier). They can be separated. I discovered this while ordering a non-reciprocating charging handle from HB Industries.
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/gp-stribog-non-reciprocating-bolt-conversion/
Can anyone give me a quick and dirty check on the current run of Stribogs? I was pretty interested in them a year ago or so, but wrote them off with the feed lip issues and some of the bolt carrier problems.
I have a chance to pick up a Gen 2.5 with a decent optic and five stick mags with the metal feed lips and five curved mags, case and goodies. I’ve heard the straight mags with the metal feed lips fixed that issue, but had t heard much about the curved ones. I’m pretty sure the Gen 3 has the non-reciprocating bolt, but beyond that, I’m not hip on any of the other iterations.
Any ‘Bog expertise is appreciated.
My Stribog was imported by Eagle Imports before Global Ordnance took over the importation. Oddly enough, I've never had a feeding issue with the straight all plastic magazines. I can't speak for the metal reinforced magazines, but I did purchase some of the curved ones and they run just fine. Did you ask the current owner if he's had any reliability issues? Is it available for you to shoot?
LESchwartz
05-15-23, 15:50
Sorry, double post.
LESchwartz
05-15-23, 15:54
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-mbf0s90jm7/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/746037/678319/SP9_A2_bez_pazby_expl__32213.1564603588.png?c=2?imbypass=on
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Part Plan #1 Plan #2 Plan #3 Plan #4 Remarks
1 Frames Imported Imported Imported Imported Item #5
2 Barrels Imported Imported Imported Imported Item #4
3 Barrel Extensions Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable Required for NFA purposes.
4 Mounting Blocks Imported Imported Imported Imported Item #27 or #28
5 Muzzle Attachments Imported Imported Made In USA Imported Item #46.1
6 Bolts Imported Imported Imported Imported Item #3
7 Bolt Carriers Imported Imported Made In USA Imported Item #25
8 Operating Rods Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable
9 Gas Pistons Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable
10 Trigger Housings Made In USA Imported Imported Imported Item #13
11 Triggers Made In USA Made In USA Made In USA Made In USA Item #6
12 Hammers Made In USA Made In USA Made In USA Made In USA Item #7
13 Sears Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable
14 Disconnector Made In USA Made In USA Made In USA Made In USA Item #9
15 Buttstocks Imported Imported Imported Imported Not pictured
16 Pistol Grips Made In USA Imported Imported Imported Item #1
17 Forearm handguards Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable Not Applicable
18 Magazine Bodies Imported Made In USA Imported Imported Not pictured
19 Magazine Followers Imported Made In USA Imported Made In USA Not pictured
20 Magazine Floorplates Imported Made In USA Imported Made In USA Not pictured
15 Imported Parts 10 Imported Parts9 Imported Parts10 Imported Parts10 Imported Parts
I'm late to the game here, but I think Bret missed the muzzle attachment (muzzle nut / thread protector) and the pistol grip. I'm going to be adding a barrel extension & stock to my Grand Power Stribog "pistol" in order to convert it into a rifle. Unfortunately, that means I will need to play the 922(r) compliance "10-or-less game". I would like folks to weight in on my parts counting above. Here are some notes:
1) Item #1 on the drawing might be categorized as either a pistol grip or frame. I went with pistol grip, but in either case it's clearly a counted part. I also counted it as a single part. There is a outside chance ATF might count it as two parts.
2) Item #5 on the drawing might be categorized as either a frame or handguard. I went with frame, but in either case it's clearly a counted part.
3) Item #13 on the drawing might be categorized as either a trigger housing or frame. I went with trigger housing, but in either case it's clearly a counted part.
4) Items #18, #19, #20 comprise the magazine assembly. There are 3D printed inserts available which allow the OE Stribog lower to use Colt 9mm SMG magazines which are US-made by several manufacturers.
5) Items #11, #12, #14 comprise the Fire Control Group (FCG). Note that Plan #1 either removes or replaces Item #13. If you use a "drop in" AR FCG, it will be replaced and is thus maked "Made in USA" for Plan #1. If you use a mil-spec style trigger it will be removed, so it is not included in your imported parts count anyway. The second method retains this part while using a non-drop-in US-made FCG.
6) Item #25 is the bolt carrier. HB Industries sells Non-Reciprocating Charge Handle Conversion Kits which include US-made bolt carriers.
7) The OE Stribog does not include a barrel extension. If you use one (permanently attached) to extend the barrel 16", it does not reduce your imported parts count.
8 ) The OE muzzle nut is likely a counted part.
Compliance Plan #1 is to use a Lingle Industries aluminum lower along with a US-Made AR FCG and pistol grip. That should switch out the five imported parts I need. Lingle makes lowers which allow the Stribog to take a variety of magazines. I chose to use the OE Stribog mags -- which have no US-made equivalents at this time. I know I could have used either a CZ Scorpion or Glock compatible lower along with US-made magazines, but I already look to be at ten or less parts. Besides, I'm already heavily into OE Stribog mags. Note that the Lingle lower and pistol grip replaces the entirety of Item #1, so your safe even if ATF counts it as two parts.
Compliance Plan #2 is to use an "RC4 Stribog Colt Magazine Adapter" and purchase replacement US-made Colt 9mm magazines. In addition, you swap the FCG for an AR FCG. The LaRue FCG seems close to a "drop in" solution. Mil-spec FCGs require some serious gunsmithing. Note that in any case, the hammer width must be less than 0.270". This should also switch out the six imported parts you need, giving you a margin of safety on the parts count. NOTE: I could not get this option to cycle hollow points reliably. I didn't try ball ammo.
Compliance Plan #3 is to use an a US-Made AR FCG, muzzle attachment and HB Industries bolt carrier. The LaRue FCG seems close to a "drop in" solution. Mil-spec FCGs require some serious gunsmithing. This should also switch out the minimum of 5 imported parts you need.
Compliance Plan #4 is to use a US-Made AR FCG, magazine follower, and magazine floorplate. The LaRue FCG seems close to a "drop in" solution. Mil-spec FCGs require some serious gunsmithing. Note that in any case, the hammer width must be less than 0.270". This should also switch out the minimum of 5 imported parts you need. Unfortunately, US-made magazines, magazine followers, and magazine floorplates are not yet available.
If you're concerned that I might have miscounted in some way, you can swap additional parts: Muzzle attachment, buttstock, or bolt carrier, etc. As always you're responsible to ensure your comfortable with modifications you perform to your firearms. As they say, "your mileage may vary".
Comments?
Larry
My Stribog was imported by Eagle Imports before Global Ordnance took over the importation. Oddly enough, I've never had a feeding issue with the straight all plastic magazines. I can't speak for the metal reinforced magazines, but I did purchase some of the curved ones and they run just fine. Did you ask the current owner if he's had any reliability issues? Is it available for you to shoot?I've got an early one as well. I also haven't had any issue with the straight stick mags.
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LESchwartz, I think your observations are correct. I mentioned the muzzle attachment in my post, but just left it off the count because it's simple to remove and the gun functions without it. I'll update my post and add it for clarity. A US made muzzle attachment can be used or it can simply be removed to reduce the foreign part count. I missed item #13 because I thought that it was integral to item #1. Now that I look at it, it's not. That puts the foreign part count at 15 as it's received from the factory. I have a US bolt carrier, muzzle attachment, and US Colt SMG magazine (3 parts).
I'm still confused regard the trigger group. Will the Stribog with the factory lower (or whatever you want to call it) take any AR15 trigger parts?
LESchwartz
05-15-23, 19:33
I'm still confused regard the trigger group. Will the Stribog with the factory lower (or whatever you want to call it) take any AR15 trigger parts?
I'm pretty sure the OE trigger housing can accept AR FCGs with some gunsmithing. The best post I found on the matter is over at AR15.com -- they have a massive Stribog thread there and the post in question is on page 30. Not drop in by any means.
I went with the Lingle lower. They accept AR FCGs, safeties, and pistol grips. They have a list of triggers they've specifically tested with. They make the lower in aluminum and polymer. I went with aluminum, as I was worried about durability on the chance they don't utilize the OE trigger housing.
Larry
LESchwartz, I think your observations are correct. I mentioned the muzzle attachment in my post, but just left it off the count because it's simple to remove and the gun functions without it. I'll update my post and add it for clarity. A US made muzzle attachment can be used or it can simply be removed to reduce the foreign part count. I missed item #13 because I thought that it was integral to item #1. Now that I look at it, it's not. That puts the foreign part count at 15 as it's received from the factory. I have a US bolt carrier, muzzle attachment, and US Colt SMG magazine (3 parts).
I'm still confused regard the trigger group. Will the Stribog with the factory lower (or whatever you want to call it) take any AR15 trigger parts?I put a Larue trigger in my early 'Bog with some help from trigger shims.
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LESchwartz
05-16-23, 12:07
I have a US bolt carrier, muzzle attachment, and US Colt SMG magazine (3 parts).
Where did you get a US made bolt carrier? HB Industries looks to have parts #25.3 & #25. Is that what you used? I missed that this part was available . . .
Also, how were you able to use Colt SMG magazines without replacing your lower? Or can they be adapted to fit somehow?
Thanks,
Larry
I used part 25 which is the carrier because it’s a U.S. part and it makes the charging handle non-reciprocating.
I’m able to use Colt SMG magazines by inserting a 3D printed adapter in the magazine well. The downside is that the bolt won’t lock back when empty.
LESchwartz
05-16-23, 14:51
I’m able to use Colt SMG magazines by inserting a 3D printed adapter in the magazine well. The downside is that the bolt won’t lock back when empty.
Looks like I missed that one. Searching for "Stribog 3D printed mag adapter" found it. I see there are several brands of magazines (Colt, Pro-mag, Dura-mag, etc.). Do any work better than the others? Do they have the same issues as the OE Stribog straight mags?
I used part 25 which is the carrier because it’s a U.S. part and it makes the charging handle non-reciprocating.
I wasn't aware the non-reciprocating charging handle was a US-made part. Are they marked someplace so I can confirm?
Thanks,
Larry
PS: I'll update my original reply later this evening.
My Stribog has never had any issues with Colt SMG mags or the straight Stribog mags, so I can’t really answer regarding the guns that have.
The carrier is US marked even though that’s not a legal requirement.
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/gp-stribog-non-reciprocating-conversion/
LESchwartz
05-16-23, 20:39
The carrier is US marked even though that’s not a legal requirement.
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/gp-stribog-non-reciprocating-conversion/
I missed earlier in the thread where you said you purchased the non-reciprocating kit from HB Industries. Mine is not marked, so I assume it's imported.
Larry
LESchwartz
06-17-23, 20:42
I put a Larue trigger in my early 'Bog with some help from trigger shims.
After some amount of cursing at the shims, I got one of my LaRue triggers mounted in the OE trigger housing (item #13). Unfortunately, the trigger binds against the lower. It's almost like the trigger slot isn't long enough. I see on other boards where folks milled some material off their AR triggers to help it fit. What was your solution?
Larry
After some amount of cursing at the shims, I got one of my LaRue triggers mounted in the OE trigger housing (item #13). Unfortunately, the trigger binds against the lower. It's almost like the trigger slot isn't long enough. I see on other boards where folks milled some material off their AR triggers to help it fit. What was your solution?
LarryI used a small file. Took a few seconds.
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LESchwartz
06-17-23, 21:14
I used a small file. Took a few seconds.
Did you take any photos?
Larry
Did you take any photos?
LarryNo. It was years ago.
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LESchwartz
06-18-23, 14:43
I put a Larue trigger in my early 'Bog with some help from trigger shims.
I opened up the front of the trigger slot in the lower. I had to take quite a bit of material off the front of the slot -- close to 1/8". The front of the slot can limit the pre-travel of the trigger, making it unsafe. There is also some sort of circular "stop" at the bottom of the lower which can limit the over-travel -- I took this down some as well. Since installing the safety is kind of a pain, I toke off more than absolutely required. I would recommend anyone attempting this install to have some amount of gunsmithing skill, as you could easily end up in an unsafe condition if you're not careful. YMMV!
I was nervous before I opening up the trigger slot on my lower: Several other folks have mentioned that the rear of the mil-spec AR trigger needs modification in order for the safety to work correctly. I certainly didn't want to modify my lower, only to find out the safety wouldn't work. However my preliminary testing looked positive, so I went forward. In the end, the LeRue seems to work just fine with the HB safety I have installed in my lower.
I think I'm going to order "RC4 Stribog Colt Magazine Adapter" and some Colt 9mm magazines. If my testing goes well, I'll have a second complete lower ready to go. My plan is to hang onto it in case I decide to purchase an SP9A3 as a stablemate for my SP9A1.
Larry
Took my bog out today since I had the day off. I’m currently running an A3T scorpion mag lower with an Aim Surplus SSTAT trigger.
Zero malfunctions and stupidly good accuracy.
I’m using the PA 1x micro prism with 9mm reticle.
Ran some ETS 40rd mags and they ran fine.
I’ve had bad results with other ETS mags but the scorpion ones seem ok.
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LESchwartz
06-25-23, 18:30
My Stribog has never had any issues with Colt SMG mags or the straight Stribog mags, so I can’t really answer regarding the guns that have.
I tried my Stribog out at the range yesterday. The Lingle lower worked wonderfully with curved Stribog mags and a Rise Armament drop in trigger pack. I didn't think to try any of the straight mags. Much more accurate with the 16" barrel. Big thumbs up for this conversion.
Unfortunately the "adapter conversion", using the OE lower, LaRue trigger and Brownells branded Colt SMG magazine did not work at all. I seemed like the LRBHO would not disengage. When I ordered the adapter, I also ordered some of the followers that are sold along with them. Unfortunately, I forgot to bring them with me to the range. I spent some time with some snap caps this evening. I note that the OE followers look like they activate the BHO while loading the second to the last round. The ones I bought with the adapter seem to hand cycle 20 rounds flawlessly through to empty. None of this explains the issues I was having with loaded mags yesterday -- dunno, maybe I didn't have the adapter fully seated. I'll have to try it again.
Any ideas?
Larry
LESchwartz
07-06-23, 18:37
Back from the range again today. Still a no-go. I would get maybe every other shot to feed correctly. I noticed that the Brownells mags seemed awful sloppy in the mag well. I imagine that was a large part of the problem. I'm thinking that if I can't get this resolved, I may just go back to the OE mags and swap some of the other parts instead for "plan #2". Maybe muzzle attachment and bolt carrier. Hopefully somebody will make USA followers and/or floorplates for the OE mags before to long.
Suggestions?
Larry
Given that the Brownells mags seem sloppy in the magazine well, would you conclude that the adapter isn't thick enough?
LESchwartz
07-06-23, 20:34
Given that the Brownells mags seem sloppy in the magazine well, would you conclude that the adapter isn't thick enough?
Maybe it's the mags. Maybe it's the adapter. But yeah, something isn't quite right. The Brownells are solid metal, so maybe the magazine body walls are a little thinner.
I'm wondering if the folks who've had better success have noticed good fit. If so, wondering what brand mags they used . . .
Larry
LESchwartz
07-10-23, 20:37
I've decided to give up on the mag adapter and Brownells mags. I will add "Compliance Plan #3", which is the LaRue FCG, US muzzle device, and bolt carrier. "Compliance Plan #4" would be to wait on US-made magazines, or possibly just followers or floorplates.
Larry
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