View Full Version : 9mm S&W M&P 2.0 Full Size vs 4-inch Compact, vs Beretta M92
Primary job would be range and HD.
Beretta would be something like the Langdon Elite LTT or an M9A1 (Must be "G" style) with choice mods of my own. Up to $1K.
Reliability is a must of course, but after that looking for accuracy, speed, and handling.
Opinions?
MountainRaven
04-14-19, 00:52
With that line-up? No contest.
If you wanted some guns that actually fulfill you criteria (outside of the Beretta), I'd drop the M&P compact for the long-slide in your line-up (or a G34, CZ P-10F, VP9L, P30L, P320 X-Five, &c.). And then I'd drop the full-size M&P for a CZ SP-01 of one variety or another. And maybe add a SiG P226 Legion for some spice.
And the Beretta will probably be the best option, even then.
Spiff_P239
04-14-19, 08:22
With the Beretta, I’d also consider the M9A3 if you have smaller hands like I do.
I like both series of guns, but I’d choose the Beretta.
Considering guns only, beretta.
If you ccw an m&p, im a fan of consolidating to a single “platform” for mag compatibility, inventory, etc.
everready73
04-14-19, 09:30
LTT Beretta will rock the socks off of an m&p
If you are open to options Walther PPQ match. Or a Cajuniozed CZ Sp01, P09, P10F, or P07 if you want compact would be my choice for range/hd
If you want a new Beretta but don't want to pay through the nose get a Girsan.. I have a Beretta and a Girsan, the Girsan is just as good if not better at half the price.
https://i.imgur.com/skQGab9l.jpg
$353 :) https://www.gunbroker.com/item/806011368
I like Berettas but I would probably have to go M&P (either full size or long slide since you don’t mention concealed carry). A lot of personal preference there though.
I have a M&P 2.0 Comp 9mm and a M&P 45 Mid (1.0) that are excellent but I also like my Beretta 90Two and the M9A3. I can run a plate bay faster with the M&P though.
ramairthree
04-14-19, 10:55
The Beretta is a fantastic full sized service pistol that is accurate, reliable, with a ton of magazines and parts out there.
You can get a fantastic DA/SA trigger. You can get versions with excellent grip, replaceable sights, decocker only vs safety, etc.
It is a great suppressor host. It is a very good production/SSP gun. Good for home defense, etc.
The main weakness of the Beretta is the lack of its adaptability to the platform concept.
There is no longer optimized for Production game or hunting gun.
The Centurion and Compact are still large and not truly compact. There is no sub compact.
If you want a new Beretta but don't want to pay through the nose get a Girsan.. I have a Beretta and a Girsan, the Girsan is just as good if not better at half the price.
https://i.imgur.com/skQGab9l.jpg
$353 :) https://www.gunbroker.com/item/806011368
Thanks but, Not digging the finger grooves, no rail, probably no decock-only option and have no idea about parts combatability w/Beretta parts.
Thanks but, Not digging the finger grooves, no rail, probably no decock-only option and have no idea about parts combatability w/Beretta parts.
Handle one before you pass. 90% come with rails, I ordered one without a rail as that is what I wanted. They have a decock and come with Italian made Metgar Beretta mags. The finger grooves are a vast improvement, handle one and see for yourself... The finish is WAY better then that of the Beretta's, It's anodised and will last forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IRhr6v3CY
Handle one before you pass. 90% come with rails, I ordered one without a rail as that is what I wanted. They have a decock and come with Italian made Metgar Beretta mags. The finger grooves are a vast improvement, handle one and see for yourself... The finish is WAY better then that of the Beretta's, It's anodised and will last forever.
Safety/ decocker like a Beretta "FS" is a no-go for me. Needs to be "G" decock-only.
Also, does it have the latest version lock-block (often called a gen 3) that Beretta's come with?
Does the plunger-style Wilson Combat trigger return spring work in it like a common Beretta?
What about barrels made for a Beretta? Will they fit?
I did a quick search and learned aftermarket and Beretta grips do not fit but can sometimes be "adapted to fit"
Mags interchange at least.
Safety/ decocker like a Beretta "FS" is a no-go for me. Needs to be "G" decock-only.
Also, does it have the latest version lock-block (often called a gen 3) that Beretta's come with?
Does the plunger-style Wilson Combat trigger return spring work in it like a common Beretta?
What about barrels made for a Beretta? Will they fit?
I did a quick search and learned aftermarket and Beretta grips do not fit but can sometimes be "adapted to fit"
Mags interchange at least.
Watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wocCRSmtxdk&t=335s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcNtaib2AFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IRhr6v3CY
Thanks!
Barrel, locking block, and slide are not compatable with Beretta parts. How long will the Girsan-design locking block last?
Still unknown if the trigger / safety / decocker parts / firing pins interchange with Beretta's.
Thanks!
Barrel, locking block, and slide are not compatable with Beretta parts. How long will the Girsan-design locking block last?
Still unknown if the trigger / safety / decocker parts / firing pins interchange with Beretta's.
They changed the design for a reason, how long does a Beretta design locking block last ?
IMHO I doubt I will ever have to replace anything... Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :)
PS, The Beretta is a very nice pistol, but not quite as nice as the Girsan and certainly not worth twice the money. It's your choice.
I just went deep into SW M&P M2.0, a compact 9mm (4.0"), fullsize 9mm (4.25") and fullsize 45 (4.6"). They point very naturally and are an easy shoot. The compact comes with spacers for the fullsize 17rnd mags which is cool. They have a nice feel in the hand and make nice glock replacements. Price has been right too at $399, 349, and 399 respectively (cheaper than blue label pricing). If only one the 4.0 or 3.6 compact offers the most flexibility for CC probably.
Don't let the haters get to you. If the M&P Compact scratches your itch and does what you need, then good for you.
If you want to improve the trigger pull, Apex is always an option, not a requirement.
Mark
If the M&P Compact scratches your itch and does what you need, then good for you.
If you want to improve the trigger pull, Apex is always an option, not a requirement.
Mark
I tried to like glock but just don't shoot them well (Gen4 G17). The SWM&Ps are easy to shoot, though I wish fobus had a better fit for the M2.0 frame. The 4" compact was created to be a direct competitor to the G19 in both size and capacity. I prefer German SIGs overall (P226), but for IDPA and such these modern striker fire pistols are great and shoot/point more like the SIGs and have a better break than glock, price points are great. As always ymmv...
I just went deep into SW M&P M2.0, a compact 9mm (4.0"), fullsize 9mm (4.25") and fullsize 45 (4.6"). They point very naturally and are an easy shoot. The compact comes with spacers for the fullsize 17rnd mags which is cool. They have a nice feel in the hand and make nice glock replacements. Price has been right too at $399, 349, and 399 respectively (cheaper than blue label pricing). If only one the 4.0 or 3.6 compact offers the most flexibility for CC probably.
That's true. If CC is any consideration it would be the M&P Compact.
My M9A3 is my hands-down favorite full size 9mm. The LTT is supposed to be damn nice, according to the specs. I'd love to have either one of those or the Wilson, but haven't scraped the funds yet. For an additional comparison, I also prefer this gun over a buddy's P226 Legion that I have shot several hundred rounds through. Nothing against the M&P, but if I'm packing a full-size I'm going Beretta.
I'm sure the Girsan is nice enough, but there are $429 BNIB 92FS out there right now
I tried to like glock but just don't shoot them well (Gen4 G17). The SWM&Ps are easy to shoot, though I wish fobus had a better fit for the M2.0 frame. The 4" compact was created to be a direct competitor to the G19 in both size and capacity. I prefer German SIGs overall (P226), but for IDPA and such these modern striker fire pistols are great and shoot/point more like the SIGs and have a better break than glock, price points are great. As always ymmv...
WHY would you put a combat handgun in a 20 dollar cheap holster. I have seen demos of FOBUS holsters being ripped off the mount on a belt.
Way back in early LEO days leather holsters were sewn belt loops. After some time out in the weather, they could be torn off a duty belt easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ
I have M&P 1.0 FS 9mm and 2.0 Compact 9mm. My only experience with Beretta was in the 80's when Beretta first sent the 92F and 92C into the USA, IIRC from J&G Sales.
Buying the 92C for Off Duty, no holsters were available, No KYDEX back then. Shot very well but I went back to a 1911 Colt Series 70 45 acp.
I think I am about to acquire a 2.0 FS 9mm. My 1.0 is machined from ATEI and has an RMR07 attached.
WHY would you put a combat handgun in a 20 dollar cheap holster. I have seen demos of FOBUS holsters being ripped off the mount on a belt.
That holster choice was for Idpa only, inexpensive and the paddle makes them convenient on the range. They worked well for Glock, not so much for the full size M&P M2.0...
That holster choice was for Idpa only, inexpensive and the paddle makes them convenient on the range. They worked well for Glock, not so much for the full size M&P M2.0...
Okay, understood
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