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haasport
11-09-08, 11:32
Hey all:

Does anyone have a good website for indoor range safe 5.56 or .223? My local range recently opened its doors to 5.56 and .223 so long as the ammo is frangible, plastic core, or approved QC.

This is great news since most outdoor ranges in my area (SE PA, tend to limit mags to 3 rounds, while the indoor ranges have no round limit. Also, the outdoor ranges get darn cold in February!

Thanks!
Ledanek
02-26-14, 18:00
I'm just subscribing, because, I'm in the same situation.
Plus I'm looking for 223/5.56 ammo for HD. PMC was suggested, but want to hear more from shooters out there.
cwgibson
02-26-14, 18:04
http://ammoseek.com

I've found quite a bit of ammo through this place.
Ledanek
02-26-14, 20:03
http://ammoseek.com

I've found quite a bit of ammo through this place.

thank you. found the following for my need
- Fiocchi Exacta .223 Rem 45 Grain Non-Toxic Frangible (http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Fiocchi-Exacta-223-Rem-45-Grain-Non-Toxic-Frangib-p/fio223sfnt.htm?Click=17909)
- .223 Federal Ballisticlean 55gr. Reduced Hazard Training (RHT) Frangible, Non-Toxic (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/cPath/197/products_id/5303)
BTW, if anyone had a negative experience with any of these retailers, please let us know.

Hope haasport finds his ammo :o
cwgibson
02-26-14, 20:14
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=10750

This is a sticky in the ammo section.
markm
02-26-14, 20:49
Not sure if you hand load or know someone who does. But you can buy RRLP Barnes or Varmint Grenades and make your own. A lot of the factory Fran Gee Blay is shit and can even damage your weapon if it's not lightly jacketed.
Ledanek
02-26-14, 20:58
Not sure if you hand load or know someone who does. But you can buy RRLP Barnes or Varmint Grenades and make your own. A lot of the factory Fran Gee Blay is shit and can even damage your weapon if it's not lightly jacketed.

oh good to know. I unfortunately don't have the means to make my own. If frangibles are not recommended, would varmint/ lower grain 223 be better for indoor range or HD?
Ttwwaack
02-27-14, 00:52
For folks looking for projos, here you go. They have two 55 grain flavs for 223, a WTP range fodder and a fmj. For the 1-7 twist they recommend the 55s.

https://www.sinterfire.com/Shop/Bullets/Rifle/223-Rem.aspx

I bookmarked this years ago because I was planning on loading some but never got around to it. As MarkM said, you can also use the Barnes MPG or Varmit Grenade. Both manufactures use a compressed powdered metal inside a copper/brass jacket.
markm
02-27-14, 07:37
oh good to know. I unfortunately don't have the means to make my own. If frangibles are not recommended, would varmint/ lower grain 223 be better for indoor range or HD?

Some frangibles are simply compressed metal powder and can sand blast your bore. If you look at Ttwwaack's link, the nicer frangibles have a gilding jacket to keep the bullet together during cycling and firing.

And frangibles are not a very good for HD. The tend to act like a normal bullet in soft material... and you'd probably kill a bad guy too... but they're far from the right choice.
Ledanek
02-27-14, 20:30
Some frangibles are simply compressed metal powder and can sand blast your bore. If you look at Ttwwaack's link, the nicer frangibles have a gilding jacket to keep the bullet together during cycling and firing.

And frangibles are not a very good for HD. The tend to act like a normal bullet in soft material... and you'd probably kill a bad guy too... but they're far from the right choice.

Thanks for the education.
I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference also.

I guess I'll stick with 223 varmint ammo for now, and set aside my green tips when and if I get a chance to shoot outdoors.

Thank you all.
cwgibson
02-27-14, 21:00
Thanks for the education.
I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference also.

I guess I'll stick with 223 varmint ammo for now, and set aside my green tips when and if I get a chance to shoot outdoors.

Thank you all.

Markm definitely knows his ammo! Whenever I have a question about ammo I search for his post.


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markm
02-28-14, 07:21
Hey... thanks.

I'm no guru. But I'm passionate about making ammo. Always wanting to learn more without going completely Benchrest insane. ;)
Ledanek
02-28-14, 16:09
As MarkM said, you can also use the Barnes MPG or Varmit Grenade. Both manufactures use a compressed powdered metal inside a copper/brass jacket.

I never heard of these two brands. Glad there are retailers that carry them in my neck of the woods:
GANDER MOUNTAIN @ JOLIET, IL. Going to make a trip there while my wife do some fishing gear shopping.

thanks the education, really appreciate it.
markm
02-28-14, 16:57
I think they're both BARNES products. Similar construction on the bullets.
Ledanek
02-28-14, 17:36
I think they're both BARNES products. Similar construction on the bullets.


http://i.imgur.com/NnFA4bU.jpg

plus I just realized this is for loading= bullet only. Unless I missed something.
markm
03-01-14, 10:30
You can buy Varmint Grenades loaded I think. RRLPs might be harder to find.
ST911
03-01-14, 14:32
OP- Check with your range to see what THEY say is safe ammunition. Get specific product recommendations (with part numbers) if possible. Don't presume a rapidly fragmenting bullet is acceptable. Further, bullet construction and its effect on traps and targets can be counter-intuitive if you don't know the specifics of the range design. Many have learned this the hard way. Bullet construction is also only one part of the equation.
markm
03-03-14, 08:36
Yeah... that's good advice. No sense in paying for a bunch of ammo you can't use.