View Full Version : Fixed 3x scope vs red dot... Continued
bamashooter
05-16-19, 11:11
I have a 2.5x prism on an 8.5" pistol and a 3x prism on a 9" pistol. Both are fine at 7m (approx) which is the closest I've used them at. The first time was a bit much but in very quick time it just wasn't an issue. None. Quick acquisition and all that. Every 2-3 days I just grab one and simulate to maintain the memory. No biggie. Anything that nearby can be a point and shoot (in most situations) if need be imo.
Was this in response to the locked thread in AR GD?
Generally, prism scopes seem to be bombproof for how affordable they are. I have a 3x that I use on a "ranch rifle" AR and it's pretty handy for shorter to medium-range critter engagements. Wouldn't be my first choice for bump in the night duty, but with practice it could work.
bamashooter
05-16-19, 13:29
Was this in response to the locked thread in AR GD?
Generally, prism scopes seem to be bombproof for how affordable they are. I have a 3x that I use on a "ranch rifle" AR and it's pretty handy for shorter to medium-range critter engagements. Wouldn't be my first choice for bump in the night duty, but with practice it could work.
It is. I found the thread wanted to add my 2 cents, .........
Not my first choice either however if I had only one optic for multi-purpose, a small prism / fixed magnification optic or a 1x - ?? would be my choice. If 100% sure no magnification will ever be useful, red dot is a good pick.
It's been a really long time since I've had to ponder the "if I could only have one" scenario. Probably going back to my A2 carry handle days when irons were pretty much the only one choice.
If between a RDS and fixed 3x? RDS If the choice opened up to anything but only one, LPVO (1-8x).
RKB Armory
05-20-19, 12:42
I used to hear that if you will be shooting mostly less than 100 yards, a red dot is preferable. However, I notice that with the improvement in LPVOs, that advice is seldom heard any more. Personally, I use red dots for home defense. If I'm leaving the house, I prefer some magnification. Magnification is important for target identification at distances longer than 50 yards for my eyes.
grizzlyblake
05-20-19, 13:09
It used to be the easy button was a 6920 with FSB and an Aimpoint. Now I think the easy button is any of the decent (6960, Sionics, BCM) railed flat top guns with a Vortex Viper PST II. It's basically a red dot plus all the capabilities of a variable power scope and none of the astigmatism issues.
I swapped my 6720 + Aimpoint PRO for a Sionics P3E + PST II and the latter is exponentially more capable and easier to use.
It used to be the easy button was a 6920 with FSB and an Aimpoint. Now I think the easy button is any of the decent (6960, Sionics, BCM) railed flat top guns with a Vortex Viper PST II. It's basically a red dot plus all the capabilities of a variable power scope and none of the astigmatism issues.
I swapped my 6720 + Aimpoint PRO for a Sionics P3E + PST II and the latter is exponentially more capable and easier to use.
I have a hard time finding the reticle in 1x on my LPVO, not sure if I need more practice or if I need a higher mount or what. I do like the idea of LPVO , I’m having trouble getting used to them though.
Red dots are virtually dead to me. I have astigmatism and OCD. I can use them but I want a perfect circle and that ain’t happening.
Which scope do you have? Does it have day bright illumination?
I also have a terrible astigmatism and I don't like to wear glasses. Toric contact lens' got me back into the game on red dots. Perfectly crisp round dot. Before it was like a red comet streak. If you still can't deal with RDS, take a look at the 1X prism scopes from Vortex and Primary Arms.
I have a hard time finding the reticle in 1x on my LPVO, not sure if I need more practice or if I need a higher mount or what. I do like the idea of LPVO , I’m having trouble getting used to them though.
Red dots are virtually dead to me. I have astigmatism and OCD. I can use them but I want a perfect circle and that ain’t happening.
Which scope do you have? Does it have day bright illumination?
I also have a terrible astigmatism and I don't like to wear glasses. Toric contact lens' got me back into the game on red dots. Perfectly crisp round dot. Before it was like a red comet streak. If you still can't deal with RDS, take a look at the 1X prism scopes from Vortex and Primary Arms.
I have the PA Raptor. 1-6. The reticle is very bright. It just takes me like a second to get the scope to the right level where my eye picks it up.
I use an Eotech for my HD gun but ideally I’d like something I don’t have to turn on.
RKB Armory
05-21-19, 09:10
I have the PA Raptor. 1-6. The reticle is very bright. It just takes me like a second to get the scope to the right level where my eye picks it up.
I use an Eotech for my HD gun but ideally I’d like something I don’t have to turn on.
There is nothing as easy to use as a red dot, in my opinion. However, the capabilities (particularly target identification at longer ranges) of the LPVO make it worth the little bit of extra effort required to use it.
The eyebox is going to be quite a bit more fussy about head position than a RDS, as you already know. As long as your mount is the proper height, all you need is practice. The Vortex Razor Gen 2 has just about the most forgiving eyebox I've ever seen.
If you get that astigmatism corrected, Aimpoint or Trijicon MRO are the leave-on options you are looking for.
I have the PA Raptor. 1-6. The reticle is very bright. It just takes me like a second to get the scope to the right level where my eye picks it up.
I use an Eotech for my HD gun but ideally I’d like something I don’t have to turn on.
I have the PA Raptor. 1-6. The reticle is very bright. It just takes me like a second to get the scope to the right level where my eye picks it up.
I use an Eotech for my HD gun but ideally I’d like something I don’t have to turn on.
I haven't looked through the PA Raptor, but having looked through a Bushnell 1-4x with first focal plane reticle (tiny on 1x) I wonder if that could be the issue with picking up the reticle?
I haven't looked through the PA Raptor, but having looked through a Bushnell 1-4x with first focal plane reticle (tiny on 1x) I wonder if that could be the issue with picking up the reticle?
The reticle on 1x is smallish. I’d prefer the reticle size at 3x magnification at the 3x setting. Maybe I’ll try a second focal plane scope out.
Does this look about right?
57393
The reticle on 1x is smallish. I’d prefer the reticle size at 3x magnification at the 3x setting. Maybe I’ll try a second focal plane scope out.
Does this look about right?
57393
Yes. That is correct.
If you don't care about the ranging functions and accurate BDC at all mag levels, the SFP scopes are probably going to be the way to go for you. With my 3-18x ACSS, it is very similar to your 1-6x.
RKB Armory
05-22-19, 12:05
On my 14.5 inch, I have a FFP reticle. I wish I had gotten a SFP reticle to go with the shorter barrel because I will be using this more at close distances. At least I have an easy way to sell used optics. ;)
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