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Their motivations are most media created, but the side effect may also be more black Americans voting GOP once they realize how the Dems work so hard to disarm them. There may be an awaking of realization for black Americans who own gun legally the Dems really don't have their best interest in mind. How any person of color, Jew, or LGBT coild be for gun control boggles the mind. Surprising source of this info too, but does its best to make sure it's all Trump's fault:
The Age of Trump Is Producing More Black Gun Owners
CLEVELAND — When Lesley Green was a little girl in Houston in the 1960s — just a few decades after the routine lynchings of blacks in the South — her father would go off to work a late-night shift and leave a gun and a pile of bullets behind.
If any strangers came looking for trouble, he told Green and her sister, you blast them into the stars.
Nobody ever came looking. But even as an 11-year-old, learning to shoot a gun she could barely lift, Green said she recognized the important lesson her father was teaching her about being black in America: it’s a dangerous world out there, and neither the government nor the police are likely be there to save you if trouble decides to make a visit.
Green kept a gun of her own into early adulthood but got rid of it once she settled down and had a family. In the 25 years since, Green, now 60 and living in Cleveland, hasn’t touched a gun. At least, not until the election of President Donald J. Trump.
“There's some fiery rhetoric that some would say is incendiary racist rhetoric from the White House,” Green said on a recent evening, sitting in her living room sipping British tea from her finest tea set and nibbling on marble pound cake, cheese and crackers. “White supremacy groups are kind of feeling emboldened.”
And so Green, a grandmother, is now in the market for a handgun.
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I agree with your assessment Will. The news is good, but the article is trash. The number of people who believe and are swayed by the MSM is always surprising and shocking to me. How do these people not recognize such blatant lies?
I agree with your assessment Will. The news is good, but the article is trash. The number of people who believe and are swayed by the MSM is always surprising and shocking to me. How do these people not recognize such blatant lies?
I suspect when the Dems come to take their ability to defend themselves away "for their own good", that may be a light bulb moment for them.
I suspect when the Dems come to take their ability to defend themselves away "for their own good", that may be a light bulb moment for them.
We can hope that is the case. Perhaps they won't be as tolerant to supportive of Republican attacks on the 2nd Amendment as a preponderance of Caucasians are.
Decent article (albeit 2 years old) outlining the racist roots of gun control and how blacks see themselves as worth protecting.
They hadn’t heard of BlackGunsMatter.com and Maj Toure yet. Gun rights and real empowerment are spreading in the black community. Libertarian urban education is happening. If you are on twitter or IG and not following @majtoure, get on that and support the work.
BoringGuy45
06-17-19, 12:17
Some of the most pro-gun people I know are otherwise-liberal black Democrats. It's an odd dynamic to be sure, but it's a step in the right direction.
Decent article (albeit 2 years old) outlining the racist roots of gun control and how blacks see themselves as worth protecting.
They hadn’t heard of BlackGunsMatter.com and Maj Toure yet. Gun rights and real empowerment are spreading in the black community. Libertarian urban education is happening. If you are on twitter or IG and not following @majtoure, get on that and support the work.
Followed on twitter.
Nobody ever came looking. But even as an 11-year-old, learning to shoot a gun she could barely lift, Green said she recognized the important lesson her father was teaching her about being black in America: it’s a dangerous world out there, and neither the government nor the police are likely be there to save you if trouble decides to make a visit.
Too bad Green didn't learn a lesson about being vulnerable to criminals and the need to be able to defend yourself as being something that isn't really unique to race.
Lots of Group A feel the need to arm themselves because of the actions of Group B and the representatives of both groups change constantly depending upon zip code and circumstances.
When I read the title as "black gun" owners I was going to call BS.
I know that there are obviously more black shooters at the public range than 10 years ago and it is a good trend - the more shooters/gun owners the better. Definitely seeing some GOOD shooters who are obviously ex-mil or current NGSF (Alabama) or police/fed.
Andy
I say GOOD! I hope every black dude buys 5 ARs so when the goddamned communist Democrats try to take their stuff they can see how I feel
Doc Safari
06-17-19, 16:04
I suspect when the Dems come to take their ability to defend themselves away "for their own good", that may be a light bulb moment for them.
Maybe. But I watched old timers stick with the Dems as "the party of the working man" long after they started going for the Looney Tune Leftist rhetoric. Some people would vote for the person with the "D" after their name even if they had horns and a pitchfork.
IDK. She's saying the President is basically a racist. I dont agree. I hope she and other black gun owners make a big distinction between white supremacists (a tiny tiny minority) and the rest of us white folk. But if they're buying because they are thinking of general self defense and enjoying their right to a gun...more power to them.
IDK. She's saying the President is basically a racist. I dont agree. I hope she and other black gun owners make a big distinction between white supremacists (a tiny tiny minority) and the rest of us white folk. But if they're buying because they are thinking of general self defense and enjoying their right to a gun...more power to them.
Once the discussion becomes "race" it is because you are dealing with "racists." The fact that she is black is completely irrelevant, she felt vulnerable and armed herself. Welcome to the club, we've all been there at one time or another. When people band together around race, they scare the crap out of other people and make them feel vulnerable.
KKK, BP, JDL, BI, AN, etc. it's all mostly the same stupid. It's sad that she honestly believes Trump is promoting this kind of hatred, but it's her right to believe stupid shit and arm herself accordingly.
They really should worry about defending themselves from other black people. The stats don't lie.. The majority of crimes committed against blacks are committed by blacks.
Grand58742
06-18-19, 07:07
They really should worry about defending themselves from other black people. The stats don't lie.. The majority of crimes committed against blacks are committed by blacks.
With one comes the other. They may believe the premise of "we armed ourselves against the white supremacist" in the beginning, but will find crime is race blind for the most part. Taking back control of their communities would be step 1 in realizing the problems aren't coming from the ultra small minority of racists.
Step 2, as Will pointed out, will be the light bulb moment when they start hearing politicians telling them "you don't need to be armed to protect yourself. Guns are bad. Etc, etc, etc." When the black community starts to figure out those politicians are trying to remove the very item they originally purchased to protect themselves from the perceived threats, they will start to see it in a different light.
Maybe the lesson will stick this time.
http://davekopel.org/2A/Mags/dark-secret-of-jim-crow.html
Of course I am continually hoping my fellow Caucasians will either get smarter (or, more likely, honest) instead of spouting crap like 3D chess, lesser of 2 evils, and similar tripe.
grizzlyblake
06-18-19, 07:35
Well one big feather in the hat of the black gun owners is that they are much less likely to do the clone build LARP thing so there's that.
Well one big feather in the hat of the black gun owners is that they are much less likely to do the clone build LARP thing so there's that.True, but im sure they will come up with enough facepalm worthy AR configurations all on their own.
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HardToHandle
06-18-19, 18:41
Once the discussion becomes "race" it is because you are dealing with "racists." The fact that she is black is completely irrelevant, she felt vulnerable and armed herself. Welcome to the club, we've all been there at one time or another. When people band together around race, they scare the crap out of other people and make them feel vulnerable.
KKK, BP, JDL, BI, AN, etc. it's all mostly the same stupid. It's sad that she honestly believes Trump is promoting this kind of hatred, but it's her right to believe stupid shit and arm herself accordingly.
Preach on - we treat a lot of the 1950-60’s Civil Rights Movement as non-violent, but it was more nuanced than that - Malcolm X, deacons for Justice, Black Panthers. I recall a story of a visit to MLK’s house where King warned a guy about to sit on a sofa to mind the loaded pistol concealed there. The movement was non-violent in a passivity sense, but if SOBs were willing to blow up a bunch of little girls in a church, it was time to shoot back (at Condi Rice’s church IIRC).
Where the community stood up against racist thugs, there was a very clear correlation with military service. The young men coming back from the Second World War led the organization, funding and strategy that led directly to the Civil Rights Act. Medgar Evers fought at Normandy before being Assassinated in his own driveway. James Meredith was a multiple enlistment Airman.
I am just a few miles from Malcolm X’s birthplace. He was a convicted felon but still posed with an M-1 carbine to send a very clear message.
57717
Remember McDonald v. Chicago?
McDonald was black.
With one comes the other. They may believe the premise of "we armed ourselves against the white supremacist" in the beginning, but will find crime is race blind for the most part. Taking back control of their communities would be step 1 in realizing the problems aren't coming from the ultra small minority of racists.
Step 2, as Will pointed out, will be the light bulb moment when they start hearing politicians telling them "you don't need to be armed to protect yourself. Guns are bad. Etc, etc, etc." When the black community starts to figure out those politicians are trying to remove the very item they originally purchased to protect themselves from the perceived threats, they will start to see it in a different light.
This woman lives in Cleveland...The mayor and city counsel are black, democrat, and anti gun, they keep trying to pass their own gun contols laws ,even though the state says you can't pass laws stronger that state laws, they get sued, lose, and do it all over again..Cleveland has it's fair share of crime, and most of it is black on black, I don't blame this woman for getting a gun, but, let's be honest..her biggest threat is from other blacks..White supremacists? I have my doubts..they're not shooting up the east side of Cleveland. Cleveland, like Detroit is a black city, I have family that live there.I don't know why, Cleveland's a shithole.. If one wants to put the blame for Cleveland's problems where they belong..you need to no further than city hall...
This woman lives in Cleveland...The mayor and city counsel are black, democrat, and anti gun, they keep trying to pass their own gun contols laws ,even though the state says you can't pass laws stronger that state laws, they get sued, lose, and do it all over again..Cleveland has it's fair share of crime, and most of it is black on black, I don't blame this woman for getting a gun, but, let's be honest..her biggest threat is from other blacks..White supremacists? I have my doubts..they're not shooting up the east side of Cleveland. Cleveland, like Detroit is a black city, I have family that live there.I don't know why, Cleveland's a shithole..
Ohio doesn't really have a problem with a municipality enacting gun control if the perps aren't being punished with fines and prison time.
I am just a few miles from Malcolm X’s birthplace. He was a convicted felon but still posed with an M-1 carbine to send a very clear message.
57717
He was killed in 1965 so the felon part, at least at the federal level, was a non-issue until 1968.
Still a non-issue at the federal level if the felon(other than domestic violence convictions) is an LE.
Some of the most pro-gun people I know are otherwise-liberal black Democrats. It's an odd dynamic to be sure, but it's a step in the right direction.
I don't think it's really that odd. Self preservation isn't really a political issue and alot of black folks (white folks too for that matter) aren't too far removed from overt racism, discrimination, and abuse.
I say GOOD! I hope every black dude buys 5 ARs so when the goddamned communist Democrats try to take their stuff they can see how I feel
Carbine count is currently up to 4, one for each person in the house. I'll probably add a spare 6720 at some point though. Just doing my part.
True, but im sure they will come up with enough facepalm worthy AR configurations all on their own.
I dunno man. We're running KAC and Centurion handguards, LPVOs, micro red dots and 2 point slings up in this bitch.
Ohio doesn't really have a problem with a municipality enacting gun control if the perps aren't being punished with fines and prison time.
The point is Clevelands city counsel tried it at least twice, on the taxpayers dime, and lost..costing millions that could've been better spent. The east side of Cleveland is heavily gang ridden,add that to the fact that the a few years ago, mayor and city counsel decided to cut the police force back, (I don't know if that's changed or not) and they wonder why they have so much crime..One misconception amoung black people is, that by electing one of their own, he/she will look out for them, problem is a black politican will screw them just as fast as a white one will, and yet they keep electing them..Clevelands problems are of their own making..
The point is Clevelands city counsel tried it at least twice, on the taxpayers dime, and lost..costing millions that could've been better spent. The east side of Cleveland is heavily gang ridden,add that to the fact that the a few years ago, mayor and city counsel decided to cut the police force back, (I don't know if that's changed or not) and they wonder why they have so much crime..One misconception amoung black people is, that by electing one of their own, he/she will look out for them, problem is a black politican will screw them just as fast as a white one will, and yet they keep electing them..Clevelands problems are of their own making..
I get that Cleveland did it, but the state of Ohio enabled it. The state of Ohio wouldn't have the slightest qualm of concocting a firearms law targeting you or me that comes complete with prison times and fines for violations.
Their "no local laws" law sounds similar to most "no firearms confiscation during emergencies" that feature no penalties for violators.
Considering how Cleveland government operates, it is quite possible cutting back police there is a benefit. Shoddy is bad enough by itself without adding force to go with it.
I get that Cleveland did it, but the state of Ohio enabled it. The state of Ohio wouldn't have the slightest qualm of concocting a firearms law targeting you or me that comes complete with prison times and fines for violations.
Their "no local laws" law sounds similar to most "no firearms confiscation during emergencies" that feature no penalties for violators.
Considering how Cleveland government operates, it is quite possible cutting back police there is a benefit. Shoddy is bad enough by itself without adding force to go with it.
I don't know where you get off with that, especially when a constitutional carry bill is working it's way through the state house, (HB 178) You might want to read Ohio Revised code, annotated section 9.68, 9.68(A) The city of Cleveland challanged it in 2007, Ohio Supreme Court upheld 9.68 in 2010, The reasoning being " If a state law is determined to be a general law,A local ordiance must not conflict with it" bottom line, Cleveland cannot make it's own gun control laws.. But democrats being democrats, only enforce laws that they like.. best thing to do is stay out of Cleveland..
I don't know where you get off with that, especially when a constitutional carry bill is working it's way through the state house, (HB 178) You might want to read Ohio Revised code, annotated section 9.68, 9.68(A) The city of Cleveland challanged it in 2007, Ohio Supreme Court upheld 9.68 in 2010, The reasoning being " If a state law is determined to be a general law,A local ordiance must not conflict with it" bottom line, Cleveland cannot make it's own gun control laws.. But democrats being democrats, only enforce laws that they like.. best thing to do is stay out of Cleveland..
What penalties, monetary fine and duration of confinement, did the state of Ohio include in it's preemption law?
What penalties, monetary fine and duration of confinement, did the state of Ohio include in it's preemption law?
The same ones the federal gov't puts on states that make pot legal.. none..however, Cleveland spent millions fighting the state and lost, that was pently enough as they can't afford a prolonged court battle. And, as far as I know, they haven't tried anything lately.
The same ones the federal gov't puts on states that make pot legal.. none..however, Cleveland spent millions fighting the state and lost, that was pently enough as they can't afford a prolonged court battle. And, as far as I know, they haven't tried anything lately.
I can't find anywhere in the constitution the federal government has a duty to be involved in weed or much of anything else. I am quite sure the feds have interest in screwing the end users in some capacity.
You indicated Cleveland keeps trying it earlier. Had the perpetrators in the first attempt been fined, forced to compensate their victim, and spend a good chunk of their life in a non-country club prison I am thinking that might have had a chilling effect on the keeping on doing it part.
But it is much like other constitutional violations, prosecutorial/judicial misconduct, wrongful arrests, entrapment, and on and on.
I can't find anywhere in the constitution the federal government has a duty to be involved in weed or much of anything else. I am quite sure the feds have interest in screwing the end users in some capacity.
You indicated Cleveland keeps trying it earlier. Had the perpetrators in the first attempt been fined, forced to compensate their victim, and spend a good chunk of their life in a non-country club prison I am thinking that might have had a chilling effect on the keeping on doing it part.
But it is much like other constitutional violations, prosecutorial/judicial misconduct, wrongful arrests, entrapment, and on and on.
The only reason Cleveland stopped is because they don't have the money.. I agree with you when they lost, the Mayor and city counsel at a minium should be forced to resign.. But remember, this is a black city with a serious gang problem, to those living on the east side who aren't invloved, but catch a stray round when gang bangers are doing a drive by, gun control seems like a good idea.. As I said before, the woman in the article has little to fear from the KKK types.. Her real fears should be the gangs, they're the problem, and if I had to guess, they're probably in her neighborhood. They would'nt think twice about killing her if she became a problem to them...I mean, let's be honest here, and put the blame where it belongs..Get rid of the gangs, and you get rid of 99% of your problems..
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