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Watch this video and then start watching D.C. after January 20, 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y
I believe Hilter called this the Geheime Staats Polizie or Homeland State Police. Or more commonly known as the Gestapo. Perhaps President Bush paved the way for this to occur when he created the Department of Homeland Security. Perhaps not, but we need to keep a watchful eye on this "civilian national security force" that is to be as well funded and powerful as the U.S. military.
If the military is used against our Nation's enemies then who will the (civilian) national security force be used against??? Enemies of "change"???
Frank Castle
11-12-08, 07:22
Watch this video and then start watching D.C. after January 20, 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y
I believe Hilter called this the Geheime Staats Polizie or Homeland State Police. Or more commonly known as the Gestapo. Perhaps President Bush paved the way for this to occur when he created the Department of Homeland Security. Perhaps not, but we need to keep a watchful eye on this "civilian national security force" that is to be as well funded and powerful as the U.S. military.
If the military is used against our Nation's enemies then who will the (civilian) national security force be used against??? Enemies of "change"???
That is certainly one conceptual model. Another possibility would be that this organization becomes filled with veterans, conservatives, and patriots concerned that an Obama administration cannot provide the safety required to protect its citizens.
Gutshot John
11-12-08, 08:20
Actually you should read the Militia Act of 1792.
That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.
Compelled service has been with us since our earliest days. This has changed, but lets not imply that this is somehow a step to tyranny.
Submariner
11-12-08, 10:40
Actually you should read the Militia Act of 1792.
Compelled service has been with us since our earliest days. This has changed, but lets not imply that this is somehow a step to tyranny.
This also act guaranteed that, even if bankrupt, no levy could be made against the citizen's arms (suitable for militia use), ammunition and accoutrements. Rights come with responsibilities. Freedom isn't free.
Of course, this was prior to the Thirteenth Amendment. Is "compelled service" like involuntary servitude?:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
What if one of my children (or one of yours) decides not to be a slave on Massah Obama's plantation?
Gutshot John
11-12-08, 11:22
This also act guaranteed that, even if bankrupt, no levy could be made against the citizen's arms (suitable for militia use), ammunition and accoutrements. Rights come with responsibilities. Freedom isn't free.
Agreed. Which is why we can use this to our advantage.
Of course, this was prior to the Thirteenth Amendment. Is "compelled service" like involuntary servitude?:
No, not at all.
What if one of my children (or one of yours) decides not to be a slave on Massah Obama's plantation?
Slavery is unconstitutional per the 13th Amendment.
Military service can be compelled.
That is certainly one conceptual model. Another possibility would be that this organization becomes filled with veterans, conservatives, and patriots concerned that an Obama administration cannot provide the safety required to protect its citizens.
As if BHO would hire such to serve in his Praetorian Guard.
Clearly we have all the agencies we need to handle whatever comes up. This is just more bureaucratic non-sense which will grow to unforeseen proportions and could well be sworn allegiance to Herr Obama vs. the Constitution. Or maybe it will require swearing allegiance to the Constitution as interpreted by Herr Obama? Regardless, its at best a bureaucratic nightmare full of nitwittery. At worst, well, just let your imagination run wild.
Maybe the INSDF could draw its members from the Obama Youth Corps? ;)
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-12-08, 16:07
Stop thinking like patriots that are capable of something approaching a militia, and take what he said as from a Democratic apparatchik. What he is talking about, I think, is that he is going to fund democratic mayors with lots of cash he is going to take from the Military and call is homeland defense. While I think first responders need more resources and cash, this is a sop to democratic mayors and unions.
If he does try to start his own brownshirts, that would be scary.
CarlosDJackal
11-12-08, 16:10
While the concept of some sort of National Service may seem like a good idea, the devil is in the details. bho's civil defense force is not a good idea no matter who may be POTUS. Why? Because it's purpose duplicates that of various agencies and military organizations that are already in existence. In his own words he wants this force to be created for the (paraphrase): "...security of our borders and should have the same capabilities and financing as the military..."
So what could this mean? As I read it, he wants a paramilitary organization made of nothing but "volunteers" (some of whom will receive a "tax credit" of $4,000 for a minimum of 100-hours of annual "service" - so much for volunteerism) who will perform the duties that are currently performed by the USCG, ARNG, USBP, ICE, etc. But this organization will have the same capabilities of the DoD - which to me sounds like a work-around of Posse Comotatus.
I also wonder where this dipshit is planning on getting the money to fund such an organization (*cough* military!! *cough*). And meanwhile, he has already indicated that he would cancel such "unnecessary" and expensive programs as the F-22 Raptor - which is the newest Air Superiority Fighter we've fielded since the 1980s!! Which, if God forbid, is currently the only such aircraft that can counter China's newest and best Air Superiority Fighter (whose technological advances were made possible by willy klinton's administration).
And what's more, who is going to "train" these yahoos? If he were to use the Peace Corps' model, anyone who has ever served in the US Military would be ineligible to join the civil defense force. I don't know about you all, but if he were to implement this organization as he had stated, it sure sounds like their nickname would be the "Obama Youth Corps" or something like that. JM2CW.
Obama is only going to be president for 4 years, maybe less.
He's not going to have time to do half of what he has planned.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/LWMcVay/ObamaYouth.jpg
Here's a link to a page that contains a bunch of other links on this topic. The only one I've had time to look at is the interview w/ Military Times. The rest of them may go to Chinese tree-frog porn sites for all I know.
http:///cinie.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/whats-up-with-obamas-civilian-defense/
bootfoot
Just as a sanity check -- or insanity check as the case may be, for those who think his proposal makes sense:
BHO says, "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the military]"
OK... So the 2007 DoD annual budget, less supplementals, ran at about $440 billion -- with $110 billion going to military personnel, $84 billion for weapons systems, and $73 billion for research and development
Total CONUS and OCONUS military personnel ran at 1,105,000 heads.
Major conflicts included OIF / OEF.
Major acquisition programs included: (1) the ballistic missile defense system, (2) the Joint Strike Fighter, (3) the Virginia class submarine, (4) Future Combat Systems, (5) the V-22 Osprey, (6) the DDG-1000 destroyer, (7) the CVN-21 aircraft carrier, (8) the F-22A fighter jet, (9) the P-8A maritime surveillance aircraft and (10) the F/A-18E/F naval warplane.
Now if he's serious, I may have to go pro-Obama and join up! Because I've always wanted to fly the Joint Strike Fighter. I wonder how many my town will get? :confused:
Whoa. And he's going to be President soon? :eek:
Now if he's serious, I may have to go pro-Obama and join up! Because I've always wanted to fly the Joint Strike Fighter. I wonder how many my town will get?
Ya know, ya have a point here... I'm not looking to fly, all I want is a STRIKER to tool around in... I'm a very good driver!
Ya know, ya have a point here... I'm not looking to fly, all I want is a STRIKER to tool around in... I'm a very good driver!
OK, we'll put you down for one (1) Stryker. We have plenty. :D
At this point I'm trying to figure out if BHO is a fascist or communist. I had thought communist, but I could easily see him turning into a fascist with his civilian national security force.
I hope we are all just misreading this man and that he really does want to promote democracy and protect our Constitution. We were wrong about President Bush, so I hope we're wrong about President-elect Obama.
We must stand ready, but we need to give BHO a chance...
OK, we'll put you down for one (1) Stryker. We have plenty. :D
VERY cool! Did I mention I'm an excellent driver???
Just as a sanity check -- or insanity check as the case may be, for those who think his proposal makes sense:
BHO says, "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the military]"
OK... So the 2007 DoD annual budget, less supplementals, ran at about $440 billion -- with $110 billion going to military personnel, $84 billion for weapons systems, and $73 billion for research and development
Total CONUS and OCONUS military personnel ran at 1,105,000 heads.
Major conflicts included OIF / OEF.
Major acquisition programs included: (1) the ballistic missile defense system, (2) the Joint Strike Fighter, (3) the Virginia class submarine, (4) Future Combat Systems, (5) the V-22 Osprey, (6) the DDG-1000 destroyer, (7) the CVN-21 aircraft carrier, (8) the F-22A fighter jet, (9) the P-8A maritime surveillance aircraft and (10) the F/A-18E/F naval warplane.
Now if he's serious, I may have to go pro-Obama and join up! Because I've always wanted to fly the Joint Strike Fighter. I wonder how many my town will get? :confused:
Whoa. And he's going to be President soon? :eek:
And the plot thickens from the megalomaniac...
Bo, mein furher.
I'm feeling safer already:D
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/LWMcVay/ObamaYouth.jpg
This will be run by the Rev Wright under the auspices Of Bo's wife, Michelle
Aim small, miss small
You guys are all worried about getting civilian versions of the SCAR, he wants to ISSUE one to you for 100 hours of service, which if all are to be trained as well as the military, 1/2 of your time will be training and tactics...with your ISSUED SCAR, that you will get to take home and maintain "in case " he calls upon you!!
(just thought I would try to put some comedic spin on the impending 4 years)
IroquoisSnakePlissken
11-12-08, 19:18
I see it now...
There are only two MOS available:
92G
68M
Both with an Airborne option.
At this point I'm trying to figure out if BHO is a fascist or communist.
What difference does it make? They both suck ass.
We must stand ready, but we need to give BHO a chance...
"All we are saaaaaaaying.....is, give peace a chance.......
All we are saaaaaaaaying....is, just give peace a chance......"
With all due respect, El Mac, what choice do you or any of us have? As long as BHO honors his oath of office....
With all due respect, El Mac, what choice do you or any of us have? As long as BHO honors his oath of office....
Do you mean this oath?:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
As long as he honors it, I've no problem.
Gutshot John
11-12-08, 21:08
As long as he honors it, I've no problem.
The presumption is that your interpretation is the only interpretation.
While I have more in common with your interpretation than his, he doesn't have any obligation to agree with you nor me.
The presumption is that your interpretation is the only interpretation.
While I have more in common with your interpretation than his, he doesn't have any obligation to agree with you nor me.
Well now, I don't presume to think he will feel obligated to hold up the oath he swears allegiance to. In fact, I would be highly suprised.
Gutshot John
11-12-08, 21:27
Well now, I don't presume to think he will feel obligated to hold up the oath he swears allegiance to. In fact, I would be highly suprised.
Again the presumption is that he agrees with you. We all have a freedom of conscience, a freedom to dissent.
Cypto-socialists may be misguided, but they have a right to be.
He may honestly disagree and the question is whether, after 4 years, the American people disagree as well.
Didn't some folks already try this? I think it was called the NKVD:eek:
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