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platoonDaddy
07-21-19, 10:27
DISREGARD THE FOLLOWING. I had my head up my ass & misread. Bitch getting old!


friggin ATF, Springfield Armory (assume others) Saint Edge is 24 1/2", resulting in thousands of law abiding citizens in harms WAY!


What does this mean for gun owners? Measure your AR pistol without the brace installed. If its total length 26 inches long or longer, enjoy a forward pistol grip if you like. (For the sake of measuring firearms, buffer tubes count as integral gun parts.) If it’s under 26 inches long, that means you’re stuck using angled grips, or bipods, or lanyards…just not vertical foregrips.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/atf-firearm-braces/
223to45
07-21-19, 14:17
I thought that was pretty always the case, the way I understood it.

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fledge
07-21-19, 14:45
Yep nothing new here.

All that has changed is measuring with stock folded, if you have that feature.

Chatter in another thread here said AFGs may also be off-limits too per new ATF rules relayed to SBTactical. I’ve seen no verification of that other than the mention.
platoonDaddy
07-21-19, 14:46
I thought that was pretty always the case, the way I understood it.

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March 21, 2017, ATF clarified their ruling. Following ATF's 2017 letter, many manufactures started shipping pistols with length of 24.5" and added a multiple position brace. Based on the article in Guns America, they are now illegal.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/atf-clarifies-ruling-pistol-stabilizing-braces/
223to45
07-21-19, 15:22
March 21, 2017, ATF clarified their ruling. Following ATF's 2017 letter, many manufactures started shipping pistols with length of 24.5" and added a multiple position brace. Based on the article in Guns America, they are now illegal.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/atf-clarifies-ruling-pistol-stabilizing-braces/Dont see how they are illegal. Just don't put a vertical foregrip on it .



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platoonDaddy
07-21-19, 17:11
Dont see how they are illegal. Just don't put a vertical foregrip on it .



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The Springfield Saint Edge Pistol is shipped with a Maxim Defense CQB, Adjustable 4-Positions forearm brace The Edge is 24.6" without the forearm brace. Therefore Springfield is shipping a vertical forearm brace that is now considered illegal by ATF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4_2RIhOIDE
Don Robison
07-21-19, 17:25
The Springfield Saint Edge Pistol is shipped with a Maxim Defense CQB, Adjustable 4-Positions forearm brace The Edge is 24.6" without the forearm brace. Therefore Springfield is shipping a vertical forearm brace that is now considered illegal by ATF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4_2RIhOIDENo they aren't. You just can't put a vert grip on one because it's shorter than 26"

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Don Robison
07-21-19, 17:32
Duplicate
platoonDaddy
07-21-19, 17:57
Duplicate


I was unable to locate link, do you have?
223to45
07-21-19, 18:17
The Springfield Saint Edge Pistol is shipped with a Maxim Defense CQB, Adjustable 4-Positions forearm brace The Edge is 24.6" without the forearm brace. Therefore Springfield is shipping a vertical forearm brace that is now considered illegal by ATF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4_2RIhOIDEATF is not referring to that, they say you cant use that for the measurement.

But only make it illegal if you put a FRONT vertical grip on the hand gaurd if under 26"

Their letter has nothing to do with the use of the brace.

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223to45
07-21-19, 18:18
The Springfield Saint Edge Pistol is shipped with a Maxim Defense CQB, Adjustable 4-Positions forearm brace The Edge is 24.6" without the forearm brace. Therefore Springfield is shipping a vertical forearm brace that is now considered illegal by ATF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4_2RIhOIDEThat is a forearm brace, not vertical grip.

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Don Robison
07-21-19, 18:28
I was unable to locate link, do you have?Yeah, it's in the OP.

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platoonDaddy
07-22-19, 07:09
That is a forearm brace, not vertical grip.

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You are right on! Dang, bitch getting old, I completely misread, for sure loose nut behind the keyboard!
223to45
07-22-19, 13:18
You are right on! Dang, bitch getting old, I completely misread, for sure loose nut behind the keyboard![emoji106]

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tehpwnag3
07-22-19, 15:11
Even though they are two months old, those articles read like they were long out of date.


Yep nothing new here.

All that has changed is measuring with stock folded, if you have that feature.

Chatter in another thread here said AFGs may also be off-limits too per new ATF rules relayed to SBTactical. I’ve seen no verification of that other than the mention.
scooter22
07-22-19, 15:20
Who cares?


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jpmuscle
07-22-19, 15:26
Who cares?


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Big facts




It’s like folks get off on a bureaucrats dictating their lives.


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Doc Safari
07-22-19, 16:06
While we are on this subject, does the SBA3 brace use a standard carbine receiver extension or not?

If it does....

Since this is a gray area could ATF potentially in the future rule that such a receiver extension might be "constructive intent" to install a rifle stock?

No, I am NOT going to write them asking for clarification. Nor am I going to remove the receiver extension that uses the SBA3 unless necessary.

I just wonder if I should have a pistol buffer on hand as a spare part that I can swap out for the SBA3's receiver extension should the BATFinks decide your extension must be a pistol extension.
tehpwnag3
07-22-19, 16:20
Yes, it does. Legally, you can use a bare, standard RE on a pistol.



While we are on this subject, does the SBA3 brace use a standard carbine receiver extension or not?

If it does....

Since this is a gray area could ATF potentially in the future rule that such a receiver extension might be "constructive intent" to install a rifle stock?

No, I am NOT going to write them asking for clarification. Nor am I going to remove the receiver extension that uses the SBA3 unless necessary.

I just wonder if I should have a pistol buffer on hand as a spare part that I can swap out for the SBA3's receiver extension should the BATFinks decide your extension must be a pistol extension.