New Serbian infantry rifle

[Slater]

Wonder if this will actually make it into service?


"The 6.5×38.7 mm round, developed by Serbia's Prvi Partizan, leverages work on the company's 6.5×39 mm Grendel cartridge, but it has been optimised to be fired from automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

The 6.5×38.7 mm round is claimed to have better aerodynamic characteristics leading to a slower loss of velocity, flatter trajectory, and more kinetic energy when it hits the target. The round has a range of 800 m, the Serbian Ministry of Defence (MoD) said."


https://www.janes.com/article/90088/zastava-arms-develops-new-modular-assault-rifle

[RetroRevolver77]

Delete.

[JoshNC]

So they changed the 6.5 Grendel just enough to avoid paying any royalties, which “optimizes” the round in semiautomatic and fully automatic firearms because they cost a little bit less to feed. Tongue in cheek, of course.

[Arik]

That red dot. Can it get any higher?!?

[SteyrAUG]

Don't want, don't need.

[MountainRaven]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this goes no where and that Forgotten Weapons will have a video on it in five years.

[MorphCross]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this goes no where and that Forgotten Weapons will have a video on it in five years.

Where would we expect it to go? Serbia has not (nor do they have any aspirations to) joined NATO. So interoperability is not a concern. From a financial standpoint this makes sense for their Military when you consider that A, it just takes adaptation of their current Serbian made AKMs to the new cartridge and B, Prvi Partizan will be the producing the ammunition as the large Serbian manufacturer they are. Whether they can land 6.5mm pills out to 800m as effective suppressive fire is an entirely different matter.

[Arik]

I'm not sure this is meant for civilian sales. Maybe other militaries....but probably not. Good, bad or indifferent it's just a country updating their military rifles

[MistWolf]

Note that "the base for the modular M17 modular AR is the Zastava M05 in the calibre 7.62×39 mm, the system of the Kalashnikov, which is the standard calibre of the Serbian Army and many other countries" and "the barrel can be replaced in less than 60 seconds by a new barrel which fires 6.5×38.7 mm rounds..."

[pinzgauer]

So they changed the 6.5 Grendel just enough to avoid paying any royalties, which “optimizes” the round in semiautomatic and fully automatic firearms because they cost a little bit less to feed. Tongue in cheek, of course.There is no such thing as Grendel royalties. Even in early days when the Grendel name was trademarked all they would have had to do was call it something other than grendel.

This rifle is not new news, and by all earlier accounts shoots grendel. Which has a case length of 38.7mm. (Same as this article)

Grendle AKs and full auto usage was an objective of Bill Alexander from very early on. It influenced some of the compromises in the cartridge.

[wanderson]

I was hoping if the Serbs adopt 6.5g and Zastava imports their own stuff over here we’d see a 6.5g AK hit the market.
Would be curious what ‘mods’ they made to 6.5g as it’s already a reliable autofeeding cartridge. More taper? But that would reduce case volume. Or is it such a minor difference that their weapons can run both, like the difference between .223 & 5.56.

[The_War_Wagon]

Doesn't the CZ Bren S2 already trump this in EVERY way?

https://cdn.preppergunshop.com/media/catalog/product/l/o/logo_91381-sba3_4325.jpg

[Bret]

The 6.5×38.7 mm round, developed by Serbia's Prvi Partizan, leverages work on the company's 6.5×39 mm Grendel cartridge, but it has been optimised to be fired from automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
I'd like to see what the differences are. I've run plenty of Russian steel cased 6.5 Grendel on full auto through my M16 and have not had an issue. I'd assume that if it will run steel cased, brass cased would also work through the same rifle and steel cased would work through an AK variant.

[MorphCross]

Doesn't the CZ Bren S2 already trump this in EVERY way?

https://cdn.preppergunshop.com/media/catalog/product/l/o/logo_91381-sba3_4325.jpg
In every way except for cost to tool up for domestic manufacturing...

It will be far less expensive for Serbia to continue to use their stamped steel receivers, bolt heads, and carriers w/ piston rod. It is like a reverse of .300 Blackout but in an AKM.

Again from a cost and domestic manufacturing standpoint for their military it makes sense.

[MadAngler1]

I would be interested in the Zastava in 7.62x39 mm that takes AK mags and has an adjustable gas block for suppressed use. I would pay $2-3k for that. Hope my fellow Serbs are reading this (I am only a 1/4 Serb ;-) ).

[MadAngler1]

Doesn't the CZ Bren S2 already trump this in EVERY way?

https://cdn.preppergunshop.com/media/catalog/product/l/o/logo_91381-sba3_4325.jpg


Proprietary mags. No adjustable gas block for our market yet.

[Aries144]

Proprietary mags. No adjustable gas block for our market yet.

It has adjustable gas. Normal, Adverse, and Off. The suppressed setting only requires a small modification to the off setting, or modification to add a 4th setting. The affected part is also small and easy to replace, so a swap out replacement would be easy for the aftermarket or manufacturer to provide.

[MadAngler1]

It has adjustable gas. Normal, Adverse, and Off. The suppressed setting only requires a small modification to the off setting, or modification to add a 4th setting. The affected part is also small and easy to replace, so a swap out replacement would be easy for the aftermarket or manufacturer to provide.

and when will CZ be providing these gas valves? It should come from the factory with the option. It’s why I haven’t purchased one. I rather buy a Rifle Dynamics AK for 7.62x39 than the Bren 2 despite the lack of a picatinny rail.

Edited to clarify: I was referring to the lack
of a suppressor setting from the factory in my original post. How often will you need adverse unless you are in the artic or full of mud/sand?

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Looks like an orphan from the B&T tool room

[Firefly]

Just. Buy. HK416s.

[jpmuscle]

Just. Buy. HK416s.

Amen

>buy pinnacle of AR platform?
>no let’s buy trash


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