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snackgunner
07-30-19, 11:08
What light/laser set up do you guys run with your night vision?
I love the inforce WML and run one on top front part of rail 12oclock. No front buis
But recently got night vision and want to run a dbal a3 in that spot and thinking of running the inforce WML with IR on the right side 3oclock since I'm a lefty
Although I thought of going w a surefire m300 on the left side 9oclock (out of the way of my support hand) with sr7-d-it dual pressure switch with the dbal a3 setup for easier operation. But don't normally run a surefire
I switched from the InForce IR to the Surefire Vampire.
The Surefire is dramatically better.
My InForce is on my helmet now.
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Also, neither LED nor the class-1 DBAL will get you much past a hundred yards depending on lighting conditions.
Just so you know.
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snackgunner
07-30-19, 23:06
I switched from the InForce IR to the Surefire Vampire.
The Surefire is dramatically better.
My InForce is on my helmet now.
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What's better about it? Curious
Thanks for your reply
What are you going to run for a white light? Is your plan to run the WML IR for both white and IR? Pretty hard to switch back and forth when you need one or the other as white light should always have an immediately ON role.
I dont think you will be overall happy with the illuminator on the DBAL for both CQB and long range applications as pointed out. The WML IR is a great little IR flash light but I find the Vampires to have more depth, be more robust and have better switching options though I am not of fan of pressure pads as they are prone to failure.
Just about all the class 1 illuminators suck and anything full power can be overpowering when used close. I run the B.E. Meyers MAWL and it by far is the best solution bar none and while expensive worth the added cost as it simply solves so many issues in addition to its overall kick ass performance.
Nothing after dark is cheap! What night vision devise did you settle on?
I was also going to mention the MAWL as an option. I have been doing my research and that seems to be the one I will go with as I save my pennies for it.
**WARNING!** poster is going in directions he never though likely: just recently got into LPVOs and is now looking at IR and NVD so he is flooded with new information, and possibly only good for bad monetary(not cheap), decision making lol***
snackgunner
07-31-19, 05:25
What are you going to run for a white light? Is your plan to run the WML IR for both white and IR? Pretty hard to switch back and forth when you need one or the other as white light should always have an immediately ON role.
I dont think you will be overall happy with the illuminator on the DBAL for both CQB and long range applications as pointed out. The WML IR is a great little IR flash light but I find the Vampires to have more depth, be more robust and have better switching options though I am not of fan of pressure pads as they are prone to failure.
Just about all the class 1 illuminators suck and anything full power can be overpowering when used close. I run the B.E. Meyers MAWL and it by far is the best solution bar none and while expensive worth the added cost as it simply solves so many issues in addition to its overall kick ass performance.
Nothing after dark is cheap! What night vision devise did you settle on?
Just a basic pvs 14 running a dbal a3
And yes for the inforce apl it's the basic white and ir capable light
Not expecting to go too far out with that setup and IR capability
Would love a mwal but don't think I can afford one right now
Maybe that's what I'll start saving up for
To answer your question, I hate the switchology with a passion.
I shot one night vision match with it before ditching it as a weapon light and sticking it up on my helmet.
I use a unity tactical taps switch for a class-3b laser with the vampire.
I keep the vampire in white mode since my laser illuminator is good to go. The IR on the vampire is just a backup system. I like redundancy.
If I were to start today I would get the new Russian Perst-3 and buy it from Black Phase Tactical. That way you have an American dealer to talk to.
By the way, full power laser illuminators are fine up close in low mode, or you can use a diffuser.
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What are you going to run for a white light? Is your plan to run the WML IR for both white and IR? Pretty hard to switch back and forth when you need one or the other as white light should always have an immediately ON role.
Why do you say white light should always have an immediate on role? I'm no gunfighter, but I'm told the opposite by friends who are, as accidental discharge of white light has much more severe consequences in a tactical scenario.
Why do you say white light should always have an immediate on role? I'm no gunfighter, but I'm told the opposite by friends who are, as accidental discharge of white light has much more severe consequences in a tactical scenario.
My point is you should always have immediate access to your white light if needed. If you only run a Vampire then you have to take time to change your grip, find the light and rotate the head to the IR or White Light setting. When you need white light there is no time for that period no matter who you are. If your having accidental white light discharges then you either have your weapon light set up wrong or have a shit light.
There are many reasons why you might immediately go to white light while wearing NVGs.
My point is you should always have immediate access to your white light if needed. If you only run a Vampire then you have to take time to change your grip, find the light and rotate the head to the IR or White Light setting. When you need white light there is no time for that period no matter who you are. If your having accidental white light discharges then you either have your weapon light set up wrong or have a shit light.
There are many reasons why you might immediately go to white light while wearing NVGs.
I have no expertise in the matter, but the SMEs I know generally say otherwise - white light is a significant liability in a combat environment, and if you do need white light, you generally have time to switch your Vampire or use a handheld for SSE or whatever. I'm sure there is no universal right answer to this question, I was just curious as to your logic.
Short of thermal NV is the ultimate force multiplier in this context and everything should be done to maximize its application until circumstances necessitate otherwise.
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I have no expertise in the matter, but the SMEs I know generally say otherwise - white light is a significant liability in a combat environment, and if you do need white light, you generally have time to switch your Vampire or use a handheld for SSE or whatever. I'm sure there is no universal right answer to this question, I was just curious as to your logic.
First seeing this is now off track and becoming a discussion about the use of white light can we agree that having a white weapon light on your fighting gun is pretty much a necessity? YES? They ask yourself why? A combat environment is a structure, a vehicle or a street with shadows. There are times those areas need cleared with white light and weapon with white light can push through other sources of light and photonic barriers.
If you and your SME's wish to roll without white light rock on. The one thing we cant get back is time and I will never roll with a fighting weapon that doesn't have a white weapon light on it.
The right answer is to have a white light on your weapon.
Sage Dynamics has some really good videos on how to setup a rifle for night fighting with white and IR.
I definitely recommend looking him up on YouTube.
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First seeing this is now off track and becoming a discussion about the use of white light can we agree that having a white weapon light on your fighting gun is pretty much a necessity? YES? They ask yourself why? A combat environment is a structure, a vehicle or a street with shadows. There are times those areas need cleared with white light and weapon with white light can push through other sources of light and photonic barriers.
If you and your SME's wish to roll without white light rock on. The one thing we cant get back is time and I will never roll with a fighting weapon that doesn't have a white weapon light on it.
The right answer is to have a white light on your weapon.
You need to chill, dude. Take a minute to consider what is being said. I told you I don't have a dog in the fight, so no need to get your panties in a twist over a simple question that has actual merit.
snackgunner
08-15-19, 20:53
Sage Dynamics has some really good videos on how to setup a rifle for night fighting with white and IR.
I definitely recommend looking him up on YouTube.
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thanks I will check him out.
any other opinions anyone?
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