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I just saw this online, I hope it as good as the trailers. I don’t go to the theater much anymore (the last movie for me was They Shall Not Grow Old) but I may go see this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dd8OsSdXEGc
For me it is too obviously CGI.
Hopefully they get the actual story right.
For me it is too obviously CGI.
Hopefully they get the actual story right.
I have to agree.
My grandfather, a WWII USMC vet who fought in the Solomon Islands campaign, took me to see the original in "Sensurround" back when it came out in 1976. Just he and I on a summer evening. This new movie will have to go a L-O-N-G way to match that!
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-07-19, 18:26
This looks like the same tech that was used in that Flying Tigers movie. Part of me wonders if it is Chinese interests trying to sour our relationship with Japan. Gives me PTSD from watching "Pearl Harbor" when the lead chick describes the attack as "all this happened'.
I think it pretty much has to be CGI to get the SBD's, TBM's, Wildcats, etc. correct and in the correct numbers. Not to mention the various American and Japanese ships. I'm okay with CGI if it looks at least somewhat realistic.
For me it is too obviously CGI.
Hopefully they get the actual story right.
Nothing ruins a movie like bad special effect.
Parts of that looked like a cartoon.
BoringGuy45
09-07-19, 20:13
Honestly, I'm not really impressed by the trailer.
There really hasn't been any truly good war movies since Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, or The Great Raid. Since then, war movies have either changed soldiers into victims by focusing more on their PTSD and struggles after going home rather than the actual war, or they are simply vehicles for special effects, which is what Midway appears to be.
Honestly, I'm not really impressed by the trailer.
There really hasn't been any truly good war movies since Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, or The Great Raid. Since then, war movies have either changed soldiers into victims by focusing more on their PTSD and struggles after going home rather than the actual war, or they are simply vehicles for special effects, which is what Midway appears to be.
The Long Road Home on Hulu, is a mini series, movie-esqe was the best war feature I’ve probably ever seen. And it’s recent.
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Too bad "Danger Close" doesn't seem to be destined for American theatres:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0441881/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1
I hate the PTSD spiel. For a lot of people, if you just shut up and listen, the worst times of their life were the best. They were young, everything meant life or death, and the people they were with, despite how time may have changed them since; were at their most authentic then.
I was talking to someone today who said just once more; he’d like to have ham and mothers with Tabasco sauce and red kool aid, but even if you replicated everything just so.....it wouldn’t be the same.
He wouldn’t be 18 again.
Everyone has, if you’ve ever worked a martial profession, that one really bad day.
But unlike the Joker, it’s not going to just upset your life. It’s not going to totally destroy who you were. I think it’s that mental armchair psychology porn that normies get off on by being able to categorize someone.
I’d rather focus on how people made the most of it. I mean with technology now, I find it obscene we don’t let people just say what they want to say. We want to focus on the guilt or the gunfire.
But for some people its just being sweaty and eating and drinking lukewarm kool aid that I find more interesting. It simply wasn’t our time. All we get is a window glimpse because....
We weren’t there, man
I think it pretty much has to be CGI to get the SBD's, TBM's, Wildcats, etc. correct and in the correct numbers. Not to mention the various American and Japanese ships. I'm okay with CGI if it looks at least somewhat realistic.
CGI is great when you need it and can do it without making it look like CGI. When you rely on CGI and it is obviously CGI then it just kills the movie. Unless the movie is supposed to be a cartoon.
Ironically enough I just watched my DVD of Midway (1976) the other night so no real reason to watch a cartoonish version.
titsonritz
09-08-19, 01:48
I immediately though of https://www.midwayusa.com/
I can agree that use of cgi just to make a cgi movie usually sucks. But, if this movies pulls in a lot of viewers who never even heard of the Battle of Midway and shows America in a very positive, strong , patriotic light without all the SJW crap then isn't that a good thing?
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-08-19, 09:26
All I hear when the dude says “Washington is wrong” is Marissa Tomei in “My Cousin Vinny” saying “The defense is wrooang.”
I feel another “Atlas Shrugged”- a great story ruined by horrible script, bad CGI and wooden acting.
I think WWII movies of a certain scale are becoming nonfeasible.
Tora Tora Tora has real planes with real engines and no musical score.
This looks like a total video game. I actually, in a way, have a problem witj WWII films after so many eras as they prove to be more revisionist as those who could speak to it are going away.
Past a certain point, history can become whatever people want it to be.
In the 60s, the men who participated were in their 30s and 40s. So certain things just wouldnt fly.
Its too video gamey.
In reality, the Battle of Midway was so dramatic in it's own way that it doesn't need to be "Hollywoodized" or embellished. If a Japanese scout plane had been able to launch on time, or a recon pilot had taken a longer look, or any number of factors had gone the other way, the outcome might have been different. I know that a lot of people don't believe in "luck" or "chance", but it was definitely on our side in June of 1942.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-08-19, 14:01
As a 5-6 grader, I read all I could about Midway. Second only to Battle off Samar as part of the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The surface actions around Guadalcanal are also amazing, and little talked about.
Frankly, that DCS game has better graphics.
There is so much depth to what happened at Midway and what it meant that I hope this version does not trivialize it with cheap graphics and shallow script. The brazen and seemingly futile attack of the torpedo planes that ultimately bought just enough time for the dive bombers and interrupted the Japanese carriers cannot is at the pinnacle of bravery and service. On a scale like that of the destroyers and Jeep carriers attacking battleships, cruisers and carriers at Leyte. Or troops attacking up Mt. Suribachi or Monte Cassino.
And the boldness of the carriers to press the pursuit of a far superior force. The entire task force were penultimate warriors. The tragedy for the brave Japanese force hinged on differences of a few minutes. The fate of the war hinged on these few minutes. If we had lost our carriers at Midway and the Japanese force remained intact, WWII in the Pacific may have lasted another 2-3 years. How much more fortified would the islands had been if they were given another 2 years to build up?
If the movie fails to solemnly honor the bravery, sacrifice, superhuman efforts and determination at all levels of command then it is a travesty. If it tries to stir up old animosities with Japan it is diabolical. My dad fought in many of the islands and although witnessed many horrors of war, he never hated the Japanese people or warriors, but instead had much respect for them.
I can agree that use of cgi just to make a cgi movie usually sucks. But, if this movies pulls in a lot of viewers who never even heard of the Battle of Midway and shows America in a very positive, strong , patriotic light without all the SJW crap then isn't that a good thing?
I don't have much faith in the presentation of events either.
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