View Full Version : Interesting new Dan Wesson
Coal Dragger
10-23-19, 15:23
Not a CZ and not a 1911.... a hybrid of both.
https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/
Interesting.
m1a_scoutguy
10-23-19, 15:45
WOW,was never a real DW fan but this looks pretty bad-ass ! I am both a fan of 1911s & CZs,,so yea,,looks interesting for sure !
Coal Dragger
10-23-19, 15:51
If it runs it will kind of answer the same question as the Wilson EDC-X9 and the various 9mm STI 2011 pistols at a lower cost with readily available magazines.
Interesting indeed.
I would like to shoot one.
IKnowNotEverything
10-23-19, 17:04
I'm not sure what box this ticks for me. I'd rather it be a steel framed P-09 that was optics ready, with improved controls. The hammer fired P-series have proven themselves to be incredibly accurate, and this offering should capitalize on that. Between the DWX and the CZ Custom AO1 pistols, they're both very close to my ideal handgun. Nice that they share the same mags.
Initial impression is that I prefer the DWX for MSRP and features. I am curious how easy they will be for the end-user to work on. Will wait for more information.
They should have made it work for the CZ 75 magazines that the world had so many of at half the price.
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Coal Dragger
10-23-19, 18:18
The P10 mags hold more ammo, I’ll take those.
The P10 mags hold more ammo, I’ll take those.
Because they are longer. You can get 75 mags that hold 19 as well. Or even 23.
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I like this gun, is it a 2011? basically seems to be. Im impressed with my first DW 1911 in the Valor variety. Whats the street price?
PB
, is it a 2011? . Whats the street price?
PB
It's not a 2011 because it use CZ magazines. Finally CZ is making a frame with the thumb safety in the correct location. The CZ75 and its family including the Shadow competition line, have the safety too far forward and too high for us 1911 shooters. I could never surely manipulate the CZ thumb safety on and off while maintaining a firing grip.
MSRP is $1800, street price will be a little less.
m1a_scoutguy
10-23-19, 19:07
They should have made it work for the CZ 75 magazines that the world had so many of at half the price.
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The P10 mags hold more ammo, I’ll take those.
Because they are longer. You can get 75 mags that hold 19 as well. Or even 23.
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That was my thought also,,I don't know much about the P-09 & F mags other than that they are longer,but like stated there are tons of CZ 75 mags out there for "cheap" Mec-gar can be had for under $20 bucks NEW,pretty hard to beat that. Anyways mags aside,this appears to be a good entry into the Competition/Carry market and lord knows me need more guns ! We always need more guns,LOL :p
My biggest concern is COAL is limited by either. This may limit the ability to shoot 9mm major competition loads.
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MountainRaven
10-23-19, 22:29
Be interesting to see if they have an optics-ready model at launch.
Coal Dragger
10-24-19, 00:21
My biggest concern is COAL is limited by either. This may limit the ability to shoot 9mm major competition loads.
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Are there any governing bodies for competitive shooting that allow 9x19 major loads anymore aside from open division race guns in IPSC?
Are there any governing bodies for competitive shooting that allow 9x19 major loads anymore aside from open division race guns in IPSC?
USPSA which is kissing cousins. Which is honestly the only one relevant anymore. CZ tends to have their pulse on USPSA/IPSC but they missed the mark with the Shadow 2 Optics ready being too heavy for carry optics in the US and now this new gun may not work so well for 9 major because of mag length. The Shadow 2 was literally designed to max our USPSA’s production division rules. The Czechmate package is a perfect limited and open gun.
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I'm not sure what box this ticks for me. I'd rather it be a steel framed P-09 that was optics ready, with improved controls. The hammer fired P-series have proven themselves to be incredibly accurate, and this offering should capitalize on that. Between the DWX and the CZ Custom AO1 pistols, they're both very close to my ideal handgun. Nice that they share the same mags.
Initial impression is that I prefer the DWX for MSRP and features. I am curious how easy they will be for the end-user to work on. Will wait for more information.
I'm the opposite I guess. If it was the polymer P-09 frame with 1911 slide, fcg and controls, it would be perfect.
m1a_scoutguy
10-24-19, 10:48
Are there any governing bodies for competitive shooting that allow 9x19 major loads anymore aside from open division race guns in IPSC?
USPSA which is kissing cousins. Which is honestly the only one relevant anymore. CZ tends to have their pulse on USPSA/IPSC but they missed the mark with the Shadow 2 Optics ready being too heavy for carry optics in the US and now this new gun may not work so well for 9 major because of mag length. The Shadow 2 was literally designed to max our USPSA’s production division rules. The Czechmate package is a perfect limited and open gun.
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I'm just asking cuz I don't know but wouldn't/couldn't you just use the 40S&W Model offered instead of worrying about 9mm Major? I only shoot a couple of USPSA matches a year and it seems like most guys running Open/Major are running 40 cal. I hear ya on the Shadow 2,the thing is a tank,,great gun and I do own one but yea they should of figured out a way so you could run a optic and still be good with weight. Now Primary Machine offers a package for the slide/optic work but your looking at $400 bucks for it,awesome work but not everyone wants to spend that. Anyways,the DW looks like it could find a nitch,,only time will tell.
I'm just asking cuz I don't know but wouldn't/couldn't you just use the 40S&W Model offered instead of worrying about 9mm Major? I only shoot a couple of USPSA matches a year and it seems like most guys running Open/Major are running 40 cal. I hear ya on the Shadow 2,the thing is a tank,,great gun and I do own one but yea they should of figured out a way so you could run a optic and still be good with weight. Now Primary Machine offers a package for the slide/optic work but your looking at $400 bucks for it,awesome work but not everyone wants to spend that. Anyways,the DW looks like it could find a nitch,,only time will tell.
They built the optics ready version of the shadow to comply with IPSC before the rules were done for uspsa I suppose. I don’t know for sure. But it’s legal elsewhere.
On 9mm major, that seems to be what most all the local guys are running and at every match. I only see .40 in limited. I think 9 major would rule there as well if the rules allowed for it. I think the capacity is a draw for many and I can’t say for sure but seems like there is less recoil with the comps in 9mm.
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m1a_scoutguy
10-24-19, 13:09
They built the optics ready version of the shadow to comply with IPSC before the rules were done for uspsa I suppose. I don’t know for sure. But it’s legal elsewhere.
On 9mm major, that seems to be what most all the local guys are running and at every match. I only see .40 in limited. I think 9 major would rule there as well if the rules allowed for it. I think the capacity is a draw for many and I can’t say for sure but seems like there is less recoil with the comps in 9mm.
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OK, thanks. I'm bad, my buddy calls me every weekend for a match and I seem to always have "something" else going on! I could do a Match every weekend if I wanted, sometimes both Sat & Sunday, just don't make the time. I don't see many IPSC matches around these parts, mostly USPSA,IDPA is kinda dead around here. This would be a good gun for IDPA though,with the weight & 9mm.As cool as this gun is I probably will never buy one,I have plenty of CZs in all configurations & have a Glock or 2, plus I really don't compete "enough" to warrent the expence of this pistol,like I say I have a Shadow 2 already & never use it except for range fun and goofing around. Hell I shot a USPSA match last Sunday and used my CZ-07 with the RMR on it,LOL so not much use for the new DW other than cool factor for me. :cool:
Yeah IPSC really doesn’t exist in the US. I had an RMR waiting for my P07 but I had to sell it and my P09. I was up to like six CZ pistols now I’m down to two Shadow 2s.
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IKnowNotEverything
10-24-19, 14:36
I've messed w/ customizing a few Glocks and have seen detailed CZ 75/P-09 guides. In comparison, how hard is it to work on a 1911-style trigger? I'm sure Dan Wesson isn't letting these out with a poor trigger, just curious.
I've messed w/ customizing a few Glocks and have seen detailed CZ 75/P-09 guides. In comparison, how hard is it to work on a 1911-style trigger? I'm sure Dan Wesson isn't letting these out with a poor trigger, just curious.
1911s are super easy. Easier than DA/SA guns. Polish the trigger channel and trigger bar, stone the sear angle with a jig swap springs if necessary and you can get pretty good with just that. Working over the hammer can give you some gains too.
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WickedWillis
10-24-19, 18:17
Like a CZ75-2011. I would love to have one.
My bank account however, says no.
Coal Dragger
10-24-19, 23:15
Maybe except not from a startup company and using mags that exist. Full size will run P10 mags, compact model will run 75’s.
MountainRaven
10-24-19, 23:27
Like a CZ75-2011. I would love to have one.
My bank account however, says no.
Your bank account is a fool and a coward!
WickedWillis
10-25-19, 15:38
Your bank account is a fool and a coward!
My credit card is the best side chick though. She always says yes.
Bank account = wife
Credit card = side chick?
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Looks like Robocop's version of a CZ. Edit: I wonder if he'd be able to twirl it better than the beretta? :)
I want one but....$$$$$$
SoCalTrojanSoldier
10-25-19, 21:33
Looks nice but will wait to see how it feels and shoots
Looking forward to handling one in person.
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