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This is what happens when you allow the left to take over the education system.
https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/2019-annual-poll
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/7-10-millennials-say-they-will-likely-vote-socialist
“The historical amnesia about the dangers of communism and socialism is on full display in this year’s report,” said Marion Smith, Executive Director of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.
“When we don’t educate our youngest generations about the historical truth of 100 million victims murdered at the hands of communist regimes over the past century, we shouldn’t be surprised at their willingness to embrace Marxist ideas. We need to redouble our efforts to educate America’s youth about the history of communist regimes and the dangers of socialism today.”
"Only 57% of Millennials, compared to 94% of the Silent Generation, think the Declaration of Independence better guarantees freedom and inequality over the Communist Manifesto."
"About one-in-four Americans (27%) across every generation see President Trump as the “biggest threat to world peace” over Kim Jong-Un (22%) and Vladimir Putin (15%)."
Not surprising at all. We have a hard time keeping "millenial" employees even though our pay and benefits are well above average. They all want a paycheck but don't want to show up and work for it. They either get fired for absenteeism or quit because the responsibility of actually earning a living is too much. It is easier to stay home, live In mediocrity and live off the government dole.
Mauser KAR98K
10-31-19, 08:14
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My generation's ignorance is infuriating. The remnants of the failed Soviet Union are not hard to see if you step into many parts of Europe. I literally spent the last few hours in a former KGB headquarters that has now been turned into a museum to remember the victims of their atrocities. You can still see the bullet holes in the walls of the execution chamber and remains were found as recently as October 2018.
teufelhund1918
10-31-19, 08:57
My grandma grew up in and around Berlin, Germany before and during the war and was in the Soviet occupation zone after where she met my grandpa who was in the US Army. Her stories about living under fascism and communist rule were unbelievable. At times, I think about what she went through and that she lived at all through what she and her family endured. It really is mind-boggling. Back in the 90's she said that she could see the same things happening in the USA that happened in Germany when the Nazi Party was coming to power. You couldn't speak out against them because you would be retaliated against at some point. I can't imagine what she would say today if she was still alive. I agree with you Wake27, some of her stories of the SA in the streets remind me of what these Antifa jack@$$3$ are acting like. I know a few of them through other venues and can't believe how ignorant they are. AKA, the useful idiots. Very true that history forgotten will be relived.
My grandma grew up in and around Berlin, Germany before and during the war and was in the Soviet occupation zone after where she met my grandpa who was in the US Army. Her stories about living under fascism and communist rule were unbelievable. At times, I think about what she went through and that she lived at all through what she and her family endured. It really is mind-boggling. Back in the 90's she said that she could see the same things happening in the USA that happened in Germany when the Nazi Party was coming to power. You couldn't speak out against them because you would be retaliated against at some point. I can't imagine what she would say today if she was still alive. I agree with you Wake27, some of her stories of the SA in the streets remind me of what these Antifa jack@$$3$ are acting like. I know a few of them through other venues and can't believe how ignorant they are. AKA, the useful idiots. Very true that history forgotten will be relived.
The generation today thinks that socialism means they get a free college education, free healthcare, free I-phone and free Prius along with a job making $100k a year to strum a guitar in the local Starbucks.
What percentage of those polled even know what socialism means?
Considering the percentage of elections where the top 2 vote getters gather 90%+ of the vote while running on platforms that are much more of a socialism/fascism ideological blend than anything based off of USA founding ideologies, the finger pointing and blame can go much further back than millenials.
What percentage of those polled even know what socialism means?
Considering the percentage of elections where the top 2 vote getters gather 90%+ of the vote while running on platforms that are much more of a socialism/fascism ideological blend than anything based off of USA founding ideologies, the finger pointing and blame can go much further back than millenials.
I've talked to younger folks who didn't know the technical definition of socialism. They didn't know that in socialism the gov't owns all means of production and distribution.
I almost think what they really envision is a more over the top welfare state, but still with considerable private property rights. Do they really want EVERYONE getting a paycheck or EVERYONE renting from the gov't? If they do, I'll be glad I'm gone when it happens.
teufelhund1918
10-31-19, 10:38
[QUOTE=jsbhike;2781896]What percentage of those polled even know what socialism means?
If they ever get a real job, they'll figure it out when they look at their pay stubs....
What percentage of those polled even know what socialism means?
To them its AOC promising college debt forgiveness, free healthcare, green agenda, open borders and an end to the evil rich white guys ruining the world.
And since AOC is not running for president yet, its then Bernie or Warren as the are promising the same stuff and are apparently "woke".
It boggles my mind how otherwise intelligent people can buy into this crap, it's like they willfully ignore historical facts about how every time it's tried it fails usually with massive lose of life. It's not like it's even all ancient history, take a honest look at Cuba and Venezuela and you can see it right now first hand. Even useful idiots like Michael Moore and Bernie Sanders praising the Cuban health care system is such obvious horse manure how can any thinking person believe it. This does not bode well for the country.
SomeOtherGuy
10-31-19, 10:56
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This is what happens when you allow the left to take over the education system.
Nice to see the root cause at the beginning of post 1. And I agree. I'm a late X'er and we were never taught the horrors of socialism in school - EXCEPT by one German teacher born and raised in Austria who had a close window seat on the issue. (To be clear, Austria was not communist or in the Warsaw Pact, but it was right on the border with such countries and had more commerce with them than most Western European countries did prior to 1989.)
I know lots of 30-somethings who are reasonably intelligent but total idiots on this issue. They think some magical money spigot will flow endlessly with socialism for all, and it's just bad orange men keeping it shut. I hear versions of this crap even from military veterans (USMC, believe it or not) and people with good paying tech jobs.
The stereotyping of my generation (I’m barely a millennial) has gotten very old.
Coal Dragger
10-31-19, 11:52
Well too bad, your cohorts are earning the stereotypes.
Bullcrap. Crappy, self centered behavior is readily found in previous generations.
The best example is the relationship between supervisors and employess today.
teufelhund1918
10-31-19, 12:01
The stereotyping of my generation (I’m barely a millennial) has gotten very old.
“They eat tide pods also so what's your point?”
“They eat tide pods also so what's your point?”
Thanks for calling me on my BS. Its refreshing. I find the whole Tide Pod thing entertaining, hence the quote. Same as the AK quote.
FDR getting elected 4 times indicated US support for socialism is not a recent phenomenon.
What percentage of those polled even know what socialism means?
How many people in this thread know the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy? Or are the UK and USSR on par with each other?
teufelhund1918
10-31-19, 12:11
Thanks for calling me on my BS. Its refreshing. I find the whole Tide Pod thing entertaining, hence the quote. Same as the AK quote.
Lol.. couldn't resist. It'll be a classic one day. Every gen has it's idiots and geniuses.
My personal thought on the whole thing boils down to a nation is based on it's ideals as a whole. Our ideals are based on the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights that... whether or not someone likes it... is based/influenced by Christianity. Not a bad thing IMHO. Looking at history, the whole thing has been a point of contention from day one. The founding principles of the country use to be taught in the schools, but they don't do that now. The socialists don't want you to know what rights you have here. I think they are the rights of a naturally free man. But they teach against it at all levels and vilify the founding principles of this country while promoting their view of socialism. Socialism, communism or fascism are completely contrary to the founding principles of this country. That is what they hate.
How many people in this thread know the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy? Or are the UK and USSR on par with each other?
Most of those subdivisions are splitting some very fine hairs in the first place on their stated positions and their stated positions are rarely close to their activities in practice.
IMO, there is very little difference between socialism/communism vs. fascist ideologies for the average person. Certainly not as much as would be needed to seem rational for the peon level practitioners of each side to be willing to kill each other/be killed over.
Bullcrap. Crappy, self centered behavior is readily found in previous generations.
The best example is the relationship between supervisors and employess today.
It is, but I have very, very few friends that are not open to it and I think the only ones that aren't are military.
It is, but I have very, very few friends that are not open to it and I think the only ones that aren't are military.
I don’t really hang out with anyone without ties to .mil or public service, so maybe I have a bias.
Edit: All, I’m going to duck out of this thread for the rest of the day, because I am drunk, but before I do, I want to point out that many of my closest friends, and those that I have led, that I will never see again were Millennials. I wear black bracelets everyday with names on them of people that were as young as 18. One died a few short weeks after his 18th birthday. Children, essentially, that dutifully died in part because some elderly person felt that some sand swept village or targeted individual was worth it. We’ve lost some of the best young people that America had to offer. They defied the image that they have been labeled with, and I am honored to have known and worked with them. I am humbled by their sacrifice.
**** war, and **** your stereotype.
I don’t really hang out with anyone without ties to .mil or public service, so maybe I have a bias.
Yeah my circle is pretty small, but my wife's is larger and she has several siblings which is where I draw most of those conclusions from...
titsonritz
10-31-19, 13:24
Pretty sad, but they like their free shit and have never studied history.
It boggles my mind how otherwise intelligent people can buy into this crap, it's like they willfully ignore historical facts about how every time it's tried it fails usually with massive lose of life. It's not like it's even all ancient history, take a honest look at Cuba and Venezuela and you can see it right now first hand. Even useful idiots like Michael Moore and Bernie Sanders praising the Cuban health care system is such obvious horse manure how can any thinking person believe it. This does not bode well for the country.
Like most folks they look a things from the perspective of what they want. So in their eyes it won't be like Cuba, Venezuela, or any other socialist paradise you bring up.
Most of those subdivisions are splitting some very fine hairs in the first place on their stated positions and their stated positions are rarely close to their activities in practice.
IMO, there is very little difference between socialism/communism vs. fascist ideologies for the average person. Certainly not as much as would be needed to seem rational for the peon level practitioners of each side to be willing to kill each other/be killed over.
Perhaps. But the devil's in the details. If you've ever argued the difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle you should be able to bring the same thought process to bear. It seems that nuance is selective in most people's thinking and the "average person" is a pretty damn low bar when it comes to economics and politics.
In 2019, 2 in 5 Americans (39%) were able to name all three branches of government – the highest level in five years, and statistically the same as prior highs on this question in 2013 and 2011.
More than half of Americans (55%) correctly said it’s inaccurate to state that people who are in the U.S. illegally do not have any rights under the Constitution. In other words, that people who are in the U.S. illegally do have some rights under the Constitution. (2019 survey)
More than a third of those surveyed (37 percent) cannot name any of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment (2017)/ (https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/americans-civics-knowledge-increases-2019-survey/)
The socialist are going to vote us into war and they’ll never even realize it.
The socialist are going to vote us into war and they’ll never even realize it.
We've been at war since I was in high school, my oldest is a sophomore. In case you're not keeping track, that's a full generation. Didn't take any socialists to do it either...
IMO, there is very little difference between socialism/communism vs. fascist ideologies for the average person.
thinking and the "average person" is a pretty damn low bar when it comes to economics and politics.
I wasn't reffering to the average person's understanding of any subtle nuances (claimed, imagined, or real) between fascism vs. socialism, but the actual effect on the average person living under any of those flavors. Both denominations exist for the benefit of an elite few at the expense of the many. How harsh, or mild, life is for the average person under either is typically limited only by the whims/zeal of the elite beneficiaries.
BoringGuy45
10-31-19, 14:47
Bullcrap. Crappy, self centered behavior is readily found in previous generations.
The best example is the relationship between supervisors and employess today.
Yep. The Weather Underground, SDS, and SLA were all made up of boomers. The greatest generation, amongst the fine men who went to war to save the country, had a large number of socialists and communists mixed in. Idiots have always been around.
If older generations want to show us misguided millennials the way, they can start by dispensing with the idea that anybody born after 1980 is a lost cause. That's the problem I face, especially in more conservative circles: Even though I'm not like most people of my generation, I'm still worthless. I may WANT to do the right thing, but I'll never do it right because didn't grow up being instilled with the testicular fortitude of former generations. I don't know how to grab life by the balls because I had it easy. No matter what, the fact that I'm a millennial means I'm just never going to get "it".
You can't complain about people not wanting to join you when all you do is turn them away AND blame them for every problem in the world.
Like most folks they look a things from the perspective of what they want. So in their eyes it won't be like Cuba, Venezuela, or any other socialist paradise you bring up.
Exactly this.
Folks who think this way are almost always comparing some idealized version of Socialism, Democratic Socialism, etc. to a messy, real-world application of Capitalism. Or, they're talking about Social Democracy while incorrectly calling it Socialism (not that Social Democracy isn't without it's own problems).
Comparing the US to small, historically homogeneous countries like those in Scandinavia is an apples-to-oranges comparison, even just based on population size and demographics. Using those countries as examples of "Socialism" when they are really Social Democracies (strongly capitalist economies that use high individual tax rates to support a large welfare state) makes it even messier.
Bernie Sanders and his ilk love to conflate Social Democracy with Democratic Socialism. I suspect because it makes it easy to pretend the problems with places like Cuba and Venezuela are the fault of US sanctions and not because of the authoritarian dictatorship Marx says is necessary to maintain Socialism during the transition to Communism. Someone who is as devout a Marxist as Sanders surely must know better.
Worst of all, with the help of a negligent and often complicit public education system and press, they've managed to confuse a lot of Americans along the way.
The_War_Wagon
10-31-19, 16:20
70% of millennials need a field trip to the Soviet Union, ca. 1950. Couple of years in a gulag will straighten 'em right out. :rolleyes:
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We've been at war since I was in high school, my oldest is a sophomore. In case you're not keeping track, that's a full generation. Didn't take any socialists to do it either...
It’s not going to continue to be a cakewalk.
As has been mentioned, a hell of a lot of the fighting and dying in the last 18 years has been by Millennials. Every generation has their shitheads.
I believe it was Churchill who said (paraphrasing): "If you're not a liberal in your 20's you don't have heart. If you're not a conservative in your 40's you don't have a brain". Hopefully the socialist-love of the "younger" generation (I'm 54 so an old[er] bastard) will die out as they age BEFORE they can vote in any real change in that direction. Once it has taken root it will be damn near impossible to get rid of. The regrets in 20 years for misguided voting now won't amount to a hill of beans; it'll be too late to turn things around.
As has been mentioned, a hell of a lot of the fighting and dying in the last 18 years has been by Millennials. Every generation has their shitheads.
I believe it was Churchill who said (paraphrasing): "If you're not a liberal in your 20's you don't have heart. If you're not a conservative in your 40's you don't have a brain". Hopefully the socialist-love of the "younger" generation (I'm 54 so an old[er] bastard) will die out as they age BEFORE they can vote in any real change in that direction. Once it has taken root it will be damn near impossible to get rid of. The regrets in 20 years for misguided voting now won't amount to a hill of beans; it'll be too late to turn things around.
Yep, let's not forget that even with the Greatest Generation, you had selfish bitches writing Dear John letters to husbands and boyfriends while they were in combat. What kind of sick demented bitch breaks up with you, let alone ends your marriage, while you are fighting a war? For some people, Grandma was a real bitch.
And let's not forget that the Greatest Generation raised the Worst Generation of over entitled, Dr. Spock approved selfish ****ing "me generation" boomers the world has seen to date. Not all of them of course, but far too many to be an anomaly.
As has been mentioned, a hell of a lot of the fighting and dying in the last 18 years has been by Millennials. Every generation has their shitheads.
I believe it was Churchill who said (paraphrasing): "If you're not a liberal in your 20's you don't have heart. If you're not a conservative in your 40's you don't have a brain". Hopefully the socialist-love of the "younger" generation (I'm 54 so an old[er] bastard) will die out as they age BEFORE they can vote in any real change in that direction. Once it has taken root it will be damn near impossible to get rid of. The regrets in 20 years for misguided voting now won't amount to a hill of beans; it'll be too late to turn things around.
Been attributed to lots of people:
In 1916 a book about developments in Mexico by Francisco Bulnes attributed an instance of the saying to the celebrated French literary figure Victor Hugo:
One of the revolutionists, an honest, intelligent and perfectly sincere man, a real reformer, took up the well-known phrase of Victor Hugo: “If a man is not a republican at twenty, it is because he has no heart, and if he is one at forty, it is because he has no brains.” [1]
[Footnote 1] Madero par una de sus intimos p. 144.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/
Never mind, added nothing to the convo
Is this correct
1.5 million folks in the military vs 300+ million population
Reckon military are mostly good folks most agree
But this generation is mostly lost feel sorry for many in that age bracket who are not this way as you are the minority and yes there have always been problems but the socialist safe space PC idiocy is in a place it has never been big time
Folks who think this way are almost always comparing some idealized version of Socialism, Democratic Socialism, etc. to a messy, real-world application of Capitalism. Or, they're talking about Social Democracy while incorrectly calling it Socialism (not that Social Democracy isn't without it's own problems).
Comparing the US to small, historically homogeneous countries like those in Scandinavia is an apples-to-oranges comparison, even just based on population size and demographics. Using those countries as examples of "Socialism" when they are really Social Democracies (strongly capitalist economies that use high individual tax rates to support a large welfare state) makes it even messier.
Bernie Sanders and his ilk love to conflate Social Democracy with Democratic Socialism. I suspect because it makes it easy to pretend the problems with places like Cuba and Venezuela are the fault of US sanctions and not because of the authoritarian dictatorship Marx says is necessary to maintain Socialism during the transition to Communism. Someone who is as devout a Marxist as Sanders surely must know better.
Worst of all, with the help of a negligent and often complicit public education system and press, they've managed to confuse a lot of Americans along the way.
Honestly, from what I've seen the conflation is pretty prevalent on both sides of the political spectrum. Most people don't know what they hell they're talking about when it comes to politics, civics, history or economics. If you look at the Key Insights of the poll cited it says "66% of Americans cannot accurately describe Socialism". So really, 70% of Millennials support something that 66% of them can't accurately describe. :lol::haha:
A lot seem to be missing the point, yes there have always been socialist/communist in the military and general population but after 40-50 years of educational brainwashing the number has exploded. It doesn't matter that so many don't even know what it means, those political beliefs have always depended on a large percentage of useful idiots to acquire power. The fact that they are openly espousing this as they run to acquire control is the scary part. And as a side note about the Social Democracy experiment in Northern Europe, that model is workable when the percentages are right, large numbers of productive people supporting relativity small number of leeches. That has been blown out of the water due to importation of millions of shithole refugees, already they are talking or taking peoples second or vacation homes to give to the invaders, the march to socialism always continues leftward.
I honestly don't know if I buy this poll. No doubt, on TV, every millennial looks like a socialist idiot. I was born in 84, and have many friends and family in that age group, and I only know of 1 socialist.
Of course, I don't know of anyone who has ever taken part in any of these kinds of polls they show on the news.
I am not saying there are not a lot of them out there, I just find that number to be vary high with the reality I have seen.
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turnburglar
11-01-19, 12:02
I recently had to do research for a college paper, and found 'polling to be very interesting.
First off you gotta question how the poll was conducted. Did they ask 100 kids on a college campus? Did the call 1000 people during dinner time? Did they mine data from 10,000 social media accounts using a hash tag? The reason I bring this up is because data size and sampling make a big difference in results. If they were at UC Berkley the skew would be drastic compared to Texas A&M.
Next, I would really like to emphasize: "every generation has its shit bags". My uncle came back from Vietnam to get spit on and called a baby killer, because he was drafted. Hardly America at it's finest. Also least we forget; my generation fought the GWOT for 20+ years. It may be my age showing through but I think 9/11 was more impactful and important to the American picture than Korea, Vietnam, or the first gulf war. Don't ever forget that Millenials were the ones liberating Raqa and Fullujia. I'd compare those battles to anything. Im not gonna preach that the GWOT was in any way successful, but to discount the efforts of the generation that actually sacked up and did it while everyone else was like: "OMG I would shoot the beards off the terrorist but my kush career and fat bod aren't up to the task.... What the 80's babies up too??"
Flat out it goes: Greatest Gen and then Millenials. Everyone else was filler.
BTW its gonna be Millenials that get us back to the Moon and keep us there. I'll be sure to circle back for the applause.
I've talked to younger folks who didn't know the technical definition of socialism. They didn't know that in socialism the gov't owns all means of production and distribution.
I almost think what they really envision is a more over the top welfare state, but still with considerable private property rights. Do they really want EVERYONE getting a paycheck or EVERYONE renting from the gov't? If they do, I'll be glad I'm gone when it happens.
A lot seem to be missing the point, yes there have always been socialist/communist in the military and general population but after 40-50 years of educational brainwashing the number has exploded. It doesn't matter that so many don't even know what it means, those political beliefs have always depended on a large percentage of useful idiots to acquire power. The fact that they are openly espousing this as they run to acquire control is the scary part. And as a side note about the Social Democracy experiment in Northern Europe, that model is workable when the percentages are right, large numbers of productive people supporting relativity small number of leeches. That has been blown out of the water due to importation of millions of shithole refugees, already they are talking or taking peoples second or vacation homes to give to the invaders, the march to socialism always continues leftward.
Traditional definitions aren't really important to many millennials (Gen Y, 24-38 demographic). iGeners (Gen Z, 6-23 demographic) often don't even know what a definition is. They think words mean whatever they think they mean. So what "socialism" is to many of us older people, isn't necessarily what "socialism" means to them.
While it's hard to pin down, I think for many of them socialism just means evil capitalist billionaires pay for everything and they get everything they need on demand. They don't actually want to control the means of production and distribution, because that would mean being responsible for it. They don't even want to be responsible for the passwords to their phones and social media accounts, so being responsible for producing or distributing basic necessities is beyond the scope of their comprehension. They have people like Elizabeth Warren telling them they won't be held accountable to produce $52 TRILLION dollars to cover universal health care for all over the next 10 years, the billionaires will do that for them.
If you think they're entitled now, wait till the Gen Alphas come of age and believe that universal food and shelter are also basic human rights. :rolleyes:
I recently had to do research for a college paper, and found 'polling to be very interesting.
First off you gotta question how the poll was conducted. Did they ask 100 kids on a college campus? Did the call 1000 people during dinner time? Did they mine data from 10,000 social media accounts using a hash tag? The reason I bring this up is because data size and sampling make a big difference in results. If they were at UC Berkley the skew would be drastic compared to Texas A&M.
Next, I would really like to emphasize: "every generation has its shit bags". My uncle came back from Vietnam to get spit on and called a baby killer, because he was drafted. Hardly America at it's finest. Also least we forget; my generation fought the GWOT for 20+ years. It may be my age showing through but I think 9/11 was more impactful and important to the American picture than Korea, Vietnam, or the first gulf war. Don't ever forget that Millenials were the ones liberating Raqa and Fullujia. I'd compare those battles to anything. Im not gonna preach that the GWOT was in any way successful, but to discount the efforts of the generation that actually sacked up and did it while everyone else was like: "OMG I would shoot the beards off the terrorist but my kush career and fat bod aren't up to the task.... What the 80's babies up too??"
Flat out it goes: Greatest Gen and then Millenials. Everyone else was filler.
BTW its gonna be Millenials that get us back to the Moon and keep us there. I'll be sure to circle back for the applause.
Except for during the World Wars and Civil War, percentage of the US population who enter the .mil hovers around 10%. We're not discussing that 10%, we're discussing the other 90%. Every generation seems to have it's share of good and bad, let's call them the top and bottom 20%. The key difference is where the remaining 60% is headed. I'm not aware of any time in the past century where they were trending away from our Constitutional Republic, than they are now.
P.S., thanks for rejecting generalizations of your generation by calling mine "filler". :rolleyes:
Im not gonna preach that the GWOT was in any way successful, but to discount the efforts of the generation that actually sacked up and did it while everyone else was like: "OMG I would shoot the beards off the terrorist but my kush career and fat bod aren't up to the task.... What the 80's babies up too??"
Well, said
Flat out it goes: Greatest Gen and then Millenials. Everyone else was filler.
Not so well said.
Traditional definitions aren't really important to many millennials (Gen Y, 24-38 demographic). iGeners (Gen Z, 6-23 demographic) often don't even know what a definition is. They think words mean whatever they think they mean. So what "socialism" is to many of us older people, isn't necessarily what "socialism" means to them.
While it's hard to pin down, I think for many of them socialism just means evil capitalist billionaires pay for everything and they get everything they need on demand. They don't actually want to control the means of production and distribution, because that would mean being responsible for it. They don't even want to be responsible for the passwords to their phones and social media accounts, so being responsible for producing or distributing basic necessities is beyond the scope of their comprehension. They have people like Elizabeth Warren telling them they won't be held accountable to produce $52 TRILLION dollars to cover universal health care for all over the next 10 years, the billionaires will do that for them.
If you think they're entitled now, wait till the Gen Alphas come of age and believe that universal food and shelter are also basic human rights. :rolleyes:
Except for during the World Wars and Civil War, percentage of the US population who enter the .mil hovers around 10%. We're not discussing that 10%, we're discussing the other 90%. Every generation seems to have it's share of good and bad, let's call them the top and bottom 20%. The key difference is where the remaining 60% is headed. I'm not aware of any time in the past century where they were trending away from our Constitutional Republic, than they are now.
P.S., thanks for rejecting generalizations of your generation by calling mine "filler". :rolleyes:
Well, if the whatever generation it is doesn't really know their definitions and it certainly seems that way...that's just stupidity and ignorance. If the Dem politicians and the young are going to throw these terms about, they ought to at least know what their talking about.
As for humanity...I wonder if there has ever been a "good ole' days" with any generation, ever.
Well, if the whatever generation it is doesn't really know their definitions and it certainly seems that way...that's just stupidity and ignorance. If the Dem politicians and the young are going to throw these terms about, they ought to at least know what their talking about.
As for humanity...I wonder if there has ever been a "good ole' days" with any generation, ever.
While the younger you go the fewer who know the definitions, the rest just don't care. Like I said, they can make words mean whatever they want them to mean. They've been doing it for years now.
"Good ole' days" are a fiction. There's a sweet spot for freedom between prosperity and strife, but it's awfully narrow and rarely enjoyed to the fullest. :(
I'm not much for labeling generation. I know worthless boomers, mellennials, and even "greatest" gen.
And also excellent examples of each.
I have 3 millennial kids. All made good grades, got into decent schools, graduated on time with decent (employable) degrees, and all are working good jobs. Respect their elders, have strong faith, and enjoy their family. One is an Army Infantry CPT via USMA with great training and time in some great units. Two kids are eagle scouts, one girl scout gold plus venture crew experience.
So I'm more in the nurture/expectations camp than any generational groupings.
Mine know full well the issues with socialism, and not because I brainwashed them or that the think just like me.
So I'm not going to diss millenials or boomers or gen x.
While the younger you go the fewer who know the definitions, the rest just don't care. Like I said, they can make words mean whatever they want them to mean. They've been doing it for years now.
"Good ole' days" are a fiction. There's a sweet spot for freedom between prosperity and strife, but it's awfully narrow and rarely enjoyed to the fullest. :(
Ain't that the truth.
PatrioticDisorder
11-01-19, 17:28
Looks like the poll is ages 23-38. I’m a Xennial (37), I don’t think any significant number of people my age would favor socialism. I’m old enough to remember the USSR, the Cold War & 80s action flicks.
I'm not much for labeling generation. I know worthless boomers, mellennials, and even "greatest" gen.
And also excellent examples of each.
I have 3 millennial kids. All made good grades, got into decent schools, graduated on time with decent (employable) degrees, and all are working good jobs. Respect their elders, have strong faith, and enjoy their family. One is an Army Infantry CPT via USMA with great training and time in some great units. Two kids are eagle scouts, one girl scout gold plus venture crew experience.
So I'm more in the nurture/expectations camp than any generational groupings.
Mine know full well the issues with socialism, and not because I brainwashed them or that the think just like me.
So I'm not going to diss millenials or boomers or gen x.
Excluding the left in any generation goes without saying.
My children have severely grieved me and my wife, but where there is breath there is hope.
BoringGuy45
11-01-19, 18:21
Is this correct
1.5 million folks in the military vs 300+ million population
Reckon military are mostly good folks most agree
But this generation is mostly lost feel sorry for many in that age bracket who are not this way as you are the minority and yes there have always been problems but the socialist safe space PC idiocy is in a place it has never been big time
Here's the thing with this generation: The older generations want to believe they are pillars of virtue, and they were teaching Millennials good old fashion American values and morality. But then one day, out of the blue, the millennials collectively got out of bed and said "F**k this! We want communism because we want to be lazy and weak and still have everything handed to us!" *BUZZ!* Incorrect! Everything the Millennials are spouting come from stuff we learned in school from Boomer and Gen X teachers. I witnessed it first hand. The far left of the older generations did the smart thing and gained control of the media and education, and they helped mold the generation. Once the Millennials hit college, they went from the generally liberal teachings of public school to angry, communist teachings of college (and THAT is not a new phenomenon; almost every communist regime of the 20th Century began on college campuses). Being young and impressionable, the generation ate up these ideas, got even more angry and active, and decided to radicalize it even more. So while it's this generation responsible for taking leftist and totalitarian thought and running with it, it's not like they invented it or pull their ideas out of their asses.
Another thing that gets lost is the fact that Millennials have a lot of legitimate gripes, and the only thing they're told is that every single one of them is their fault and their fault alone. The only reason they're not more successful is because they're too lazy, too stupid, too incompetent, and just a complete waste of oxygen. There are a lot of hardworking people of the Millennial generation who have been burdened with rising costs of living and wages that haven't kept up it, rising costs of education (and this includes trade schools), inflation of credentials needed to get jobs requiring people to shell out the outrageous education costs, housing costs, red tape and regulations getting out of control...and when Millennials try to explain this, all they're told is "Quit bitching and work harder!" Not a good way to win people to believing that the current system is better than their pipe dream.
I really don't buy into the blaming of other generational groups for contemporary problems. I've been the kind of person who makes the best of whatever time and socioeconomic situation I find myself in. I'm a self-starter who has worked hard to carve my own path in life.
That being said, blame and mistrust of the actions of earlier generations has always existed in mankind. Just as an example in my family. My paternal great-grandfather was born out here in 1856. One of his sons was my grandfather, born in 1885, also on this ranch. My grandfather remarked about is father: "Old People have funny ideas". Now both of these men were born in the 19th Century, but such thinking is just as common today. Times change, human nature seems to remain constant to a certain extent.
My children have severely grieved me and my wife, but where there is breath there is hope.
Sorry to hear that... I know my wife and I are very fortunate.
My point was mainly that I believe there are very few generalities that hold true for a generation. (But there are some... Tech and economics mainly)
. There are a lot of hardworking people of the Millennial generation who have been burdened with rising costs of living and wages that haven't kept up it, rising costs of education (and this includes trade schools), inflation of credentials needed to get jobs requiring people to shell out the outrageous education costs, housing costs, red tape and regulations getting out of control...and when Millennials try to explain this, all they're told is "Quit bitching and work harder!" Not a good way to win people to believing that the current system is better than their pipe dream.
And none of this impacts anyone but millennials? Like Red Green says, 'we're all in this together.'
I have four kids, ages 41 to 19, one of my sorrows is that as they were growing up, I always felt that I was helping to build a society/world where they would be better of than I was. I was wrong.
Wages have definitely not kept up with the cost of living. In 1976 the In the year 1976, the minimum wage was $2.30, I started as a police officer at $3.89 an hour. A candy bar cost a dime, a Pepsi, from a machine, was a dime, and the going price for a donut was a nickel, a McDonald's hamburger was $.30. Compare those prices with the prices today and you get the idea that the minimum wage should be between $11.50 and $23.00; obviously it isn't.
It's been a crunch for those starting out all along.
One thing I don’t see ever being mentioned in the cause all of this lunacy is the amount of prescription drugs that people have been on for the last 20 years is absolutely ridiculous, and is undoubtedly having a massive effect on people’s thought processes and desires.
The millennials have the highest amount of absentee/divorced/drug addicted parents on record. Yes depression/anxiety/PTSD medications are also drugs too. What should we expect from them? They’re probably just going to smash the board and let the pieces fly
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One thing I don’t see ever being mentioned in the cause all of this lunacy is the amount of prescription drugs that people have been on for the last 20 years is absolutely ridiculous, and is undoubtedly having a massive effect on people’s thought processes and desires.
The millennials have the highest amount of absentee/divorced/drug addicted parents on record. Yes depression/anxiety/PTSD medications are also drugs too. What should we expect from them? They’re probably just going to smash the board and let the pieces fly
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Rx stuff goes back much more than 20 years, just getting more media/political/criminal justice campaign mentions now. 60+ year olds have been doing the thorazine shuffle around stores for decades now along with the accompanying driving techniques getting there.
100% of billionaires and farmers vote for socialism . . . when it's them that's getting the socialism!
100% of billionaires and farmers vote for socialism . . . when it's them that's getting the socialism!
Please just stop with the nonsense.
100% of billionaires and farmers vote for socialism . . . when it's them that's getting the socialism!
Do you know the technical definition of socialism? Do you know all billionaires? Do you know all farmers? Do you REALLY know how all these people vote?
joedirt199
11-02-19, 14:01
Well their parents will have to take them to register to vote, then show them where to find the poling station, how to fill in the circles and how to slide it into the ballet box. That is if they can get up on time, pull themselves away from their social media, or even really care.
I have 3 that won't. The education system works so hard against us.
PB
BoringGuy45
11-02-19, 15:52
And none of this impacts anyone but millennials? Like Red Green says, 'we're all in this together.'
It does. I don't deny that. The problem is that many of the older generations blame their lack of success on all the reasons we listed here, but they turn around and claim that the millennials' problems are due to them simply not having enough work ethic. I'll tell you, it sucks when you spend years trying to get a full time job that can support a family, and when you tell somebody that, their answer is that you're either not trying hard enough to find one, or if you are, people must just see that you have nothing to offer and you need to accept that there's no real need for you in this world.
And again, I'm not blaming the entirety of the Baby Boomers and Generation X for today's problems. All the generations are simultaneously the cause and victims of the problems, in one way or another.
thepatriot2705
11-03-19, 00:14
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thepatriot2705
11-03-19, 00:19
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100% of billionaires and farmers vote for socialism . . . when it's them that's getting the socialism!
No they don't. For the most part they vote for the guys that enabled them to become billionaires. Hint, it ain't the left wing of the Democratic Party.
I would simply suggest, as others have, to send these millennials to Cuba or Venezuela and let them bask in the glory of socialism, for brief period, say one year.
I would simply suggest, as others have, to send these millennials to Cuba or Venezuela and let them bask in the glory of socialism, for brief period, say one year.
My dear beloved wife wants to take a cruise/trip to Cuba. I told her at first I ain't goin' and if she insisted I would stay here and work with the state department to spring her from the gulag. Then I just flat out forbade it.
It's a communist dictatorship for crying out loud!
I would simply suggest, as others have, to send these millennials to Cuba or Venezuela and let them bask in the glory of socialism, for brief period, say one year.
Five. Minimum. Depending upon the level of stupid.
I would simply suggest, as others have, to send these millennials to Cuba or Venezuela and let them bask in the glory of socialism, for brief period, say one year.
I suggest we send corrupt billionaires to a libertarian place where individual initiative is absolutely necessary and there is no one to bail you out--you succeed or fail according to your abilities alone.
It's called prison.
Calling a prison a "libertarian place" shows a lack of critical thinking skills you have definitely drunk the koolaid .
https://www.libertynation.com/the-long-march-has-paid-off-millennials-love-socialism/
"Given the massive evidence of the positive effects of capitalism and the disastrous results of socialism, a resurgence of communism should have been impossible. How could it happen?
The Long March Through the Institutions
The answer is straightforward: Teachers and professors are bombarding students with communist propaganda. They teach that the U.S. was founded on slavery while conveniently overlooking the fact that western civilization is the only one in the world to have successfully abolished slavery.
They teach that Hitler was the vilest person ever to have existed but conveniently forget to mention that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Mugabe, Barre, and Castro together killed far more than 100 million people and enslaved many more across four continents. Students learn about the Holocaust, but not the Holodomor."
The professors are not doing this out of ignorance. After World War II, when it became clear that Marxism could never compete with capitalism as an economic system, the radical left formulated a strategy of achieving their utopia by taking over the educational institutions and indoctrinating children with their worldview.
Well their parents will have to take them to register to vote, then show them where to find the poling station, how to fill in the circles and how to slide it into the ballet box. That is if they can get up on time, pull themselves away from their social media, or even really care.Your ignorance is showing. Look up the age range for millennials. You guys are talking like they're high schoolers.
Blanket statements about age groups, like most blanket statements, are very misinformed and rarely accurate. "OK, Boomer" is just as bad.
I know many millennials who are financially on track, some are ahead of the game. Most are fit, and well in charge of their own destiny. Some are pretty darn tough and doing things that 98% of the people on this forum would only dream about. (But the forum dwellers seem to talk about endlessly)
I also know some that could barely get out of their own way or still on parental dole. But all are working in some form.
All generalizations are false.
Your ignorance is showing. Look up the age range for millennials. You guys are talking like they're high schoolers.
Blanket statements about age groups, like most blanket statements, are very misinformed and rarely accurate. "OK, Boomer" is just as bad.
This is not about any age group, this is about American hating hard core lefties infiltrating the education system and pushing a socialist agenda. The reason 7 in 10 are willing to vote socialism in is because for the last 40 years you have literal bomb throwing revolutionaries like Bill Ayers giving up bomb throwing and becoming teachers/professors to indoctrinate young people.
A lot in this forum seem to hate education. Fine. Don’t be a doctor or lawyer or physicist. I have experienced exactly one class that would fit the lefty propaganda stereotype. It was an intro level sociology class. The rest of my education has focused on, you know, learning things.
I don't hate education, but I am from a generation that focused on the 3 R's and taught critical thinking skills. Look at the last 40 years and it's revisionist history and teach to the test. There was an article last week about how this year was the first time high school graduates had 3 full years of Common Core and how they are the most ill prepared to enter college of any class in history.
morbidbattlecry
11-05-19, 19:00
A lot in this forum seem to hate education. Fine. Don’t be a doctor or lawyer or physicist. I have experienced exactly one class that would fit the lefty propaganda stereotype. It was an intro level sociology class. The rest of my education has focused on, you know, learning things.
It's sad that this is the pervasive attitude of the right, anti education that is. But the reality is that if something that is taught they don't like it's automatically a leftist agenda. Climate change being an example.
BoringGuy45
11-05-19, 22:58
A lot in this forum seem to hate education. Fine. Don’t be a doctor or lawyer or physicist. I have experienced exactly one class that would fit the lefty propaganda stereotype. It was an intro level sociology class. The rest of my education has focused on, you know, learning things.
It's sad that this is the pervasive attitude of the right, anti education that is. But the reality is that if something that is taught they don't like it's automatically a leftist agenda. Climate change being an example.
On one hand, I can understand this reactionary sentiment as education today, at least below the post graduate level, is mostly about teaching people WHAT to think, not HOW to think. Logic and critical thinking are actually discouraged these days, I've found. Also, it seems like most academic/non-vocational education is based more on theoretical concepts, and there's very little focus on how these concepts can actually be applied practically. The cost of education continues to rise at a staggering rate, while the value of that same education is plummeting at the same rate. Also, I've seen a lot more conservative kids make 180 degree turns in their worldview from college academics than I have from kids who went through tech and trade programs. So I understand the bitterness towards the education system.
That being said, I agree that many the right do seem, at least today, to have a fundamental opposition to education. You tell a lot of conservatives that you have a degree, what they hear is, "I'm a pussy who couldn't hack it in the real world." Now, I understand academic achievement doesn't always guarantee real world competence; some people can learn everything and will have trouble applying it practically no matter how much practice and experience they get. I also know, from experience, that the classroom and real world very often don't match up as life throws more curveballs than can be fit into a training manual.
But there seems to be a lot of people, mostly on the right I've found, who think that experience is not just the best, but the ONLY teacher. I can't tell you how many times, after getting through some training course, that the first thing I hear on the job is "forget everything you've learned. Everything you need to know you'll learn here." That is supposed to mean "Don't adhere too rigidly to what you learned in the controlled environment of the classroom, because it's more complex and dynamic in the real world." But what I've learned is that a LOT of people mean formal training and education should be eliminated, and people should just be thrown into the field and told to figure it out for themselves.
Yes, I've heard that almost verbatim, from a guy who was supposedly my trainer and mentor. Whenever I asked his advice, he usually just said, "You figure it out." Whether I got it right or not, he'd usually tell me I was a lost cause because I sought advice and "anybody who has to be taught, can't be taught." He had a belief of nature over nurture: Some people were born just knowing how to do just about anything just by figuring it out, and usually could figure it out the first time. Other people were naturally incompetent and would never succeed at anything. For the incompetent people, no amount of education, training, or experience would ever help them. For the competent people, no amount of education, training, or experience will ever be necessary.
This creates a very toxic environment among conservatives: We have a bunch of narcissistic, untrained, uneducated knuckleheads who never bother to learn anything, never get along with anybody, and put out shitty services/products because they never bother to listen to anybody or critique themselves. They want to think they are 100% self-made and they don't owe credit to anybody else for their success.
The left likes to characterize the right as uneducated. And while there are huge amounts educated conservatives who ALSO have real world experience in various fields, too many on the right are making perfect the enemy of good.
Interesting "conservatives" you all are hanging out with.
I’ll admit I’m one of the very few in my line of work without a degree. Most of what I’ve learned over the years was not so much my education level or lack thereof. It has a lot more to do with my thirst for knowledge and more importantly, willingness to adapt and take calculated risks. I’ve managed to parlay that into success and recognition within my field.
I don’t make assumptions about people’s competence based on their education level or lack thereof. I have noticed a general lack of competence in people who go out of their way to prove they’re more educated than you, but everyone is judged on what they can do, not what they claim to be.
What a big crock of shit some are pushing on here, conservatives are not anti education, some like me feel strongly about a useless education but I respect the right of others to study what they want. If you have a STEM degree good for you for having common sense, if you have a degree in medieval lesbian history good luck with that career as a barista. A college degree is what you make of it, if you waste your time and money studying worthless crap you don't deserve respect for a piece of paper.
What a big crock of shit some are pushing on here, conservatives are not anti education, some like me are anti useless education but I respect the right of others to study what they want. If you have a STEM degree good for you for having common sense, if you have a degree in medieval lesbian history good luck with that career as a barista. A college degree is what you make of it, if you waste your time and money studying worthless crap you don't deserve respect for a piece of paper.
Thanks, saved me some typing. Also, it isn’t education that I am against (and literally quite the opposite, I push for more quality education) but the communist indoctrination and anti-American sentiment that is taking place in the schools.
BoringGuy45
11-06-19, 08:37
Interesting "conservatives" you all are hanging out with.
I wouldn't say this is the majority opinion on the right, and most conservatives would reject this level of anti-education as very foolish. But as is common, the people who take the most extreme stances tend to be the loudest. I happened to work in environments where people of this opinion seemed to congregate and it drove me nuts.
Calling a prison a "libertarian place" shows a lack of critical thinking skills you have definitely drunk the koolaid .
https://www.libertynation.com/the-long-march-has-paid-off-millennials-love-socialism/
"Given the massive evidence of the positive effects of capitalism and the disastrous results of socialism, a resurgence of communism should have been impossible. How could it happen?
The Long March Through the Institutions
The answer is straightforward: Teachers and professors are bombarding students with communist propaganda. They teach that the U.S. was founded on slavery while conveniently overlooking the fact that western civilization is the only one in the world to have successfully abolished slavery.
They teach that Hitler was the vilest person ever to have existed but conveniently forget to mention that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Mugabe, Barre, and Castro together killed far more than 100 million people and enslaved many more across four continents. Students learn about the Holocaust, but not the Holodomor."
The professors are not doing this out of ignorance. After World War II, when it became clear that Marxism could never compete with capitalism as an economic system, the radical left formulated a strategy of achieving their utopia by taking over the educational institutions and indoctrinating children with their worldview.
Except in most instances, "capitalism" really isn't capitalism, but was/is crony capitalism.
Whole hearted agreement on their efforts to paint Stalin, Mao, ad nauseam in a positive light when the facts are they were vile scum.
Except in most instances, "capitalism" really isn't capitalism, but was/is crony capitalism.
Whole hearted agreement on their efforts to paint Stalin, Mao, ad nauseam in a positive light when the facts are they were vile scum.
Every mention of Stalin and Mao I have received from an educator was in a very, very negative light.
Every mention of Stalin and Mao I have received from an educator was in a very, very negative light.
I had a few that did, but most tap danced around the misdeeds.
I can also recall seeing biography sections in dictionaries(not new editions either) where Hitler would be listed as a tyrant, dictator, or similar while Stalin would be Soviet Statesman, Mao would be Chinese communist leader, and so on while all of them were essentially kindred spirits.
It's sad that this is the pervasive attitude of the right, anti education that is. But the reality is that if something that is taught they don't like it's automatically a leftist agenda. Climate change being an example.
LOL...Define Climate Change in a historical context. Please tell me how it differs from global warming, man made climate change...etc.
Please show your work. I believe in Climate Change, because gues what, I dont need to be a meteorologist to figure out that indeed, the weather changes, on both a timeline and in real time.
I dont believe that I should be TAXED to change, the "Change". Considering the "Change" was gonna be an ice age 40 years ago. It was a hole in the OZONE and we were all gonna burn to death by 1999 and now, Climate Change, because how else are we gonna save the children?
Anti Education? Talking about intellectual dishonesty. Climate Change is semantics at its finest hour, for the bureaucrats.
. Considering the "Change" was gonna be an ice age 40 years ago. .
Yep, that was the 1970's fear mongering.
Thanks, saved me some typing. Also, it isn’t education that I am against (and literally quite the opposite, I push for more quality education) but the communist indoctrination and anti-American sentiment that is taking place in the schools.
This is also my opinion
Every mention of Stalin and Mao I have received from an educator was in a very, very negative light.
I had a history prof who flat-out believed that the reason socialism failed in the USSR and elsewhere wasn't because it would not work, but because it was poorly implemented, and that at their core Lenin and Stalin was courageous and misunderstood. But he was the only one I had who said anything remotely like that.
Thanks, saved me some typing. Also, it isn’t education that I am against (and literally quite the opposite, I push for more quality education) but the communist indoctrination and anti-American sentiment that is taking place in the schools.
My wife just finished her teaching career, so I've been around education and educators for a while. In my opinion the whole anti-American and Communist indoctrination thing is way overblown. Every church I have ever belonged to, or attended, has had numerous teachers in the congregation. Here locally, the Friends of the NRA, was started and headed up by a local teacher.
I find it hard to believe that things are much different in 'The Sticks, TN.'
I'm not arguing that there aren't anti-American or even Communist teachers, they just aren't as pervasive as many would have you believe.
I had a history prof who flat-out believed that the reason socialism failed in the USSR and elsewhere wasn't because it would not work, but because it was poorly implemented, and that at their core Lenin and Stalin was courageous and misunderstood. But he was the only one I had who said anything remotely like that.
I think that one of the things that folks ignore when discussing higher education is the importance of an exposure to opposing views which encourages critical thinking. I'm sure you applied critical thinking to that prof's teachings, and arrived at your own conclusion.
I think the problem is mostly in the social sciences (I threw up a little there) and the humanities/liberal arts. The hard sciences not so much.
My wife just finished her teaching career, so I've been around education and educators for a while. In my opinion the whole anti-American and Communist indoctrination thing is way overblown. Every church I have ever belonged to, or attended, has had numerous teachers in the congregation. Here locally, the Friends of the NRA, was started and headed up by a local teacher.
I find it hard to believe that things are much different in 'The Sticks, TN.'
I'm not arguing that there aren't anti-American or even Communist teachers, they just aren't as pervasive as many would have you believe.
I doubt you'd find nearly as many anti-American profs at OU or OSU (where I live in OK), as you would at say UC Berkeley. However, the "leadership" at these colleges can be quite liberal (especially OU). Your exposure to controlling liberalism would probably depend more on your field of study than which university you're at (except places like UC Berkeley). I know quite a few college grads who've stated they felt compelled to hide their conservative beliefs from specific profs, in order to get a passing grade in a crucial class. But that's what, three credits out of 120?
I know quite a few local teachers who won't join the national education associations due to the extreme liberalism, but they'll still vote Democrat locally because Republicans in OK almost always vote against educational spending. :(
P.S. My nephew and his now wife come from conservative religious families. Both of them went to KU for architecture and accounting degrees respectively. However, they got housing in a dorm that was predominantly for liberal arts & social sciences students. They turned out extremely liberal and moved to New York after graduation. We still love them, but we don't talk politics at all. :(
My wife just finished her teaching career, so I've been around education and educators for a while. In my opinion the whole anti-American and Communist indoctrination thing is way overblown. Every church I have ever belonged to, or attended, has had numerous teachers in the congregation. Here locally, the Friends of the NRA, was started and headed up by a local teacher.
I find it hard to believe that things are much different in 'The Sticks, TN.'
I'm not arguing that there aren't anti-American or even Communist teachers, they just aren't as pervasive as many would have you believe.
My wife has been teaching for almost 25 years with the last 8 being in a private school. I pulled my two youngest out of public schools several years ago because the workload was pathetic, they catered to the lowest common denominator with no consideration for any other students and schools are more concerned about self esteem than teaching the 3 R's. But my previous comments were generally directed towards higher education.
There are some factors I am not seeing while skimming the article order.
Where the poll was conducted (biased group?)
Demographics.
Not enough information to ensure it's a fair comparison.
The only real take away is that their propaganda and programming are taking.
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