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A very reliable source has informed me that H&K is releasing a civilian MP5 and MP5k in the very near future.
I think they will be designated MP5s.
Does anyone have any further information on this?
I have not seen any information on the interwebs.
With all of the clones out there, that wouldn’t surprise me. I wonder how much they’ll be.
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If they would release a semi M27 at the price they sell them to the USMC they would sell a ton of them.
Don't they already sell a sp89/mk5k pistol?
edit, found it
https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/sp5k-2/
Don't they already sell a sp89/mk5k pistol?
edit, found it
https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/sp5k-2/
These new offerings will be the real deal. No modifications (not full auto) with tri lug barrels.
Those would be pretty sweet if they released them as pistols with a side folding brace and price was not crazy.
RetroRevolver77
11-19-19, 15:06
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WickedWillis
11-19-19, 16:18
I would only save up and buy one for nostalgia sake.
HardToHandle
11-19-19, 19:24
HKPro has been in full Grand Mal over this.... I am dubious, but hope to be proven wrong.
https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-talk/502536-breaking-news-new-2019-christmas-sp5s.html
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Those would both be sold in the states as pistols. You'd have to buy the blade rest or do a Form 1 to add a stock to make an SBR.
I would love to see HK release a MP5 pistol, the price however...
I would love to see HK release a MP5 pistol, the price however...
I'm guessing they would be in the neighborhood of the current SP5K (~2.5K). Which would have me running to the gun store...
I'm guessing they would be in the neighborhood of the current SP5K (~2.5K). Which would have me running to the gun store...
I wouldn’t be surprised, but I’d rather by an APC9 Pro for that much.
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I'm guessing they would be in the neighborhood of the current SP5K (~2.5K). Which would have me running to the gun store...
That price will have most running from the gun store.
Burst lower and drop in trigger pack...I have plans.
These new offerings will be the real deal. No modifications (not full auto) with tri lug barrels.
Well thats cool, I've been in the market for a full size MP5. I almost pulled the trigger on a PTR, but don't want a welded top rail. That SP5 has my name all over it.
... if price was not crazy.
I'm sure the price will be more than that of licensed manufacturers of current imports like MKE and POF since they will be purebread German.
Burst lower and drop in trigger pack...I have plans.
Yep. Same. These will be used instead of my converted SP89 and 94.
StovePipe_Jammer
11-20-19, 13:51
If they are designated MP5s and they're HK, that alone will command a hefty price tag. I'm already fairly certain it's going to be too rich for my blood.
SeriousStudent
11-20-19, 17:30
I really do not need one of these. But, however, comma, I am thinking I'll fill out the Form 1 and have a silly/fun/toy after they hit the street.
They would be fun as hell on a plate rack with some 147 subs and a can. And I do have a 9mm can with a tri-lug mount......
I really do not need one of these. But, however, comma, I am thinking I'll fill out the Form 1 and have a silly/fun/toy after they hit the street.
They would be fun as hell on a plate rack with some 147 subs and a can. And I do have a 9mm can with a tri-lug mount......
Same. We’ll see what the price looks like.
If they are designated MP5s and they're HK, that alone will command a hefty price tag. I'm already fairly certain it's going to be too rich for my blood.
Shouldn’t be crazy. I’m thinking around $2.5k-$2.9k.
I'm really pleased with my MKE with 147 coated lead reloads and a can. Cheap fun, no earpro required.
I'm sure the HK guns will be super nice.
I really do not need one of these. But, however, comma, I am thinking I'll fill out the Form 1 and have a silly/fun/toy after they hit the street.
They would be fun as hell on a plate rack with some 147 subs and a can. And I do have a 9mm can with a tri-lug mount......
I’ll just leave this here....
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-GKpTZwwkQ0
I’ll just leave this here....
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-GKpTZwwkQ0
Why do I think that's you?:cool:
Sear gun?
Why do I think that's you?:cool:
Sear gun?
Yep, that’s me. Fleming sear installed in ambi 4-pos 3rb pack in a hk94 converted to mp5-n. Post sample pack has relegated the sear to the back of the safe.
Yep, that’s me. Fleming sear installed in ambi 4-pos 3rb pack in a hk94 converted to mp5-n. Post sample pack has relegated the sear to the back of the safe.
TSC do the conversion? Looks good.
TSC do the conversion? Looks good.
Terry Dyer did the host. Phil Flack did the sear install. It’s perfect. Terry’s work on the host is impeccable. He converted the original barrel to MP-5-N and it’s indistinguishable from a factory N barrel. The finish is perfect factory correct. Phil’s work on the sear install and timing are perfect as well.
Burst lower and drop in trigger pack...I have plans.
I'm still questioning if we will get these as this stuff was first talked about in like 2013 and it took till 2016 if I'm not mistaken for the sp5k to hit the states. That being said I'm hopeful. With any luck they will be setup like the sp5k was so you just convert the carrier it came with to full auto(s&h was doing it on the sp5k ones for like 75 bucks) or swap in a rcm carrier that clears the little nub that I'd expect these to have and drop in your trigger pack.
I have a mp5 n, f, and sd all built off 94s but wouldn't mind a new gun to use as a beater instead.
hotrodder636
11-21-19, 05:09
Oh lord, I need another HK like a hole in the head...but I will likely end up with 1...probably 2 the full sized and the K.
(s&h was doing it on the sp5k ones for like 75 bucks)
Just received two back from Curtis last week. Excellent work.
Can't argue your logic on timeline. Will stay hopeful can pick one up by summer.
I just picked up the HK SP5K a few months ago and I love it, but now I need this! I was actually just debating if I should pick up a second SCAR 17 but I think I will get this instead since it will likely be short lived run!
Just received two back from Curtis last week. Excellent work.
Can't argue your logic on timeline. Will stay hopeful can pick one up by summer.
I'm in Va, I hope I can have the existing ones I have come next year(or I should say I'm hoping I don't need to move).
As far as S&H I was talking to Mike at TSC about my sp5k's and he said to just send the bolt carriers to Curtis as he did it right with tool steel and was doing it cheap enough that Mike had no interest in competing with him on it. I had like a month delay because Curtis was on vacation and told me to call him in around a months time(might have been a little less). Still I can't complain.
For the sp5 I was kinda personally hoping for a straight F gun but it sounds like we are getting a navy. Might try to get an L version and have mike cut the barrel to a mp5 one as I kinda want one without the navy threading to make into a basic a2.
SeriousStudent
11-21-19, 22:01
I’ll just leave this here....
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-GKpTZwwkQ0
Ah, brings back pleasant memories.....
I just want K with a paddle release and threads and tri lug!
For the sp5 I was kinda personally hoping for a straight F gun but it sounds like we are getting a navy. Might try to get an L version and have mike cut the barrel to a mp5 one as I kinda want one without the navy threading to make into a basic a2.
That’s a good plan. I too prefer the standard 3-lug to the 3-lug and threaded Navy barrel. I ended up loctiting the thread protector in place on my K-N and N.
RetroRevolver77
11-22-19, 13:21
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I too prefer the standard 3-lug to the 3-lug and threaded Navy barrel.
I must be odd man out. Having both threads and tri-lug gives me option to use diff. supressors on same gun. Put MK9K on one SP5K and Ti-Rant on other. Managed to buy unobtanium AAC tri-lug adapter when still around so can also run Ti-Rant as 3 lug.
Of course this means buying two more cans to go with two SP5's. Will probably go with Ti-Rants. Works well on G17's and 19's as well.
I must be odd man out. Having both threads and tri-lug gives me option to use diff. supressors on same gun. Put MK9K on one SP5K and Ti-Rant on other. Managed to buy unobtanium AAC tri-lug adapter when still around so can also run Ti-Rant as 3 lug.
Of course this means buying two more cans to go with two SP5's. Will probably go with Ti-Rants. Works well on G17's and 19's as well.
I've seen issues with thread protectors being out of spec and have multiple 3 lug cans. I prefer qd mounts over threads whenever possible to help prevent the can from walking.
In my case I've never used the threads on a few 3 lug mounts and prefer the look of the normal 3 lug when in a basic a2 config. I get why HK would sell them with the navy barrel though.
I must be odd man out. Having both threads and tri-lug gives me option to use diff. supressors on same gun. Put MK9K on one SP5K and Ti-Rant on other. Managed to buy unobtanium AAC tri-lug adapter when still around so can also run Ti-Rant as 3 lug.
Of course this means buying two more cans to go with two SP5's. Will probably go with Ti-Rants. Works well on G17's and 19's as well.
I've seen issues with thread protectors being out of spec and have multiple 3 lug cans. I prefer qd mounts over threads whenever possible to help prevent the can from walking.
In my case I've never used the threads on a few 3 lug mounts and prefer the look of the normal 3 lug when in a basic a2 config. I get why HK would sell them with the navy barrel though.
My MP5K-N has a factory original German barrel. The thread protector loosens with a 3-lug can installed. With the current 3-lug mounting options, I see no reason to use a thread-on suppressor on a SMG.
RetroRevolver77
11-22-19, 17:41
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So theoretically the thread protector could unthread itself and get loose inside the can- then cause an obstruction? Maybe get a thread protector with flats on it so you can torque it down.
Loctite works fine. Degrease. Blue loctite. Thread on tight by hand.
Invest into an MP5 they said, it will only go up in value they said.
HK announces importing more MP5's.
LOL.
Yeah, I think anyone holding a HK94 vollmer conversion with a qualified sear is still in pretty good shape.
Invest into an MP5 they said, it will only go up in value they said.
HK announces importing more MP5's.
LOL.
Dollar cost averaging. Buy more.
So theoretically the thread protector could unthread itself and get loose inside the can- then cause an obstruction? Maybe get a thread protector with flats on it so you can torque it down.
Try some Rocksett. I used it for years to hold a thread-on can on my competition/training AR. Never an issue with it coming loose.
My MP5K-N has a factory original German barrel. The thread protector loosens with a 3-lug can installed. With the current 3-lug mounting options, I see no reason to use a thread-on suppressor on a SMG.
Yeah, not a fan of Navy barrels. 3 lugs hold more secure and I hate thread on mounts. Pretty sure the Navy went with 3 lug threaded just so they could use the same suppressors that they used on their handguns.
prestonoconnor
11-25-19, 12:33
I keep hoping HK will make all the roller lock rifles in the United States
ramairthree
11-25-19, 16:43
Sweet.
Hopefully this is the bleeding edge of an epic 80s surge that will bring back big chick hair, Miami Vice fashion, kids being appropriately bullied, the fall of political correctness, cheap gas, lower obesity rates, and not getting SWATed for riding in the back of pickups.
I keep hoping HK will make all the roller lock rifles in the United States
I don't even know that they still have the tooling for the 91/93 series since they've discontinued the G3 and 33/53 series.
Why does the thought enter my mind that H&K will do something to put an obstacle in the way of these being used as hosts for registered sears?
Hopefully this is the bleeding edge of an epic 80s surge that will bring back big chick hair, Miami Vice fashion, kids being appropriately bullied, the fall of political correctness, cheap gas, lower obesity rates, and not getting SWATed for riding in the back of pickups.
+1. I could add to your list, but I’ll refrain.
Why does the thought enter my mind that H&K will do something to put an obstacle in the way of these being used as hosts for registered sears?
I'd bet it will be the same as the sp5k. The front semi shelf will be like the sp5k one meaning you need a lower clipped for it and I'd bet it will have a semi auto carrier and the nub in the top. So a new lower plastic and welding the carrier to F/A or replacing it with one that RCM will probability end up making will fix it. Could be wrong but the sp5k wasn't a big deal.
HK must comply with German rules on making them not (easily) convertable to full auto, even if they are not destined for German market. Until whole manufacturing process (including IP) will be in US, this will always be a case even for products for US market.
These look great based on early photos that have been released. I look forward to owning a few.
announced.
$2799
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WickedWillis
12-02-19, 11:20
announced.
$2799
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That's about where I anticipated it would be.
MountainRaven
12-02-19, 12:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCdmPfHGG9c
Why does the thought enter my mind that H&K will do something to put an obstacle in the way of these being used as hosts for registered sears?
+1. I could add to your list, but I’ll refrain.
I'd bet it will be the same as the sp5k. The front semi shelf will be like the sp5k one meaning you need a lower clipped for it and I'd bet it will have a semi auto carrier and the nub in the top. So a new lower plastic and welding the carrier to F/A or replacing it with one that RCM will probability end up making will fix it. Could be wrong but the sp5k wasn't a big deal.
So yea you were right and I was wrong. From the pics that I saw the gun has a rear blocking bar like the zenith guns have. Don't think they will be converable to a sear host unless you can do the same thing some did with the zenith(the track the trip lever hits could be milled to be thinner to clear the locking bar but still hit the lever).
They changed the setup on the front block it looks like which might have forced the change. Really wish they had just done the same setup as the sp5ks. Now I'm betting next batch of sp5ks will be the same setup. For most this will not matter, I have a sear though and am disappointed.
I snagged one today! Well, dropped the down payment since 2800 hurts at one time! But at least I secured one. I have the HK SP5K as well but I think this one will play well with that one! It was this or blow it on black Friday stuff! So, I made the wise decision! I will post some pics etc when I get her out. I have a range at the house so this will be an awesome cheap and fun to shoot a lot without needing 100+ yards.
CAMagnussen
12-02-19, 17:17
Where are you guys finding these for sale?
I called as soon as I found out and got on the list. I called a big HK dealer I got my SP5 from and he was getting some. I paid retail but no big deal.
MountainRaven
12-02-19, 17:26
Where are you guys finding these for sale?
H&K's announcement intimated that the SP5s are shipping today.
CAMagnussen
12-02-19, 17:28
And from where? Was my question...you know, as I asked it.
MountainRaven
12-02-19, 17:50
And from where? Was my question...you know, as I asked it.
I'd guess they're shipping from H&K.
And they're going to H&K stocking dealers. Where people are putting money down on them.
CAMagnussen
12-02-19, 18:14
$2800? SERIOUSLY? I've had too much trigger time behind a select fire MP5 ... not worth it. No pic rail included? Bummer. But, hey, some people will think this is really cool and will gladly fork over their $$$ for it.
MountainRaven
12-02-19, 18:17
$2800? SERIOUSLY? I've had too much trigger time behind a select fire MP5 ... not worth it. No pic rail included? Bummer. But, hey, some people will think this is really cool and will gladly fork over their $$$ for it.
I'm seriously considering putting off getting into NODS this coming year in order to buy one.
Some of those dual-strut braces look a helluva lot like the original MP5 dual-strut stocks. Just sayin'......:rolleyes:
For $2800? Nah, I'll pass.
From my H&K Dealer...
They are shipping today to H&K Dealers and are on "allocation basis only".
Looks like it will be awhile.
1/2x28 threads couldn't be gayer
1/2x28 threads couldn't be gayer
The zenith style carrier block I'd argue is worst. Also why did they have to engrave the 1/2x28 on the barrel and thread protector? It looks horrible.
I just want them to add the paddle and tri lug to the SP5k
1/2x28 threads couldn't be gayer
You don't like the threads at all or you'd prefer a different thread pitch?
contax_shooter
12-03-19, 09:04
Hope this release gets Magpul to start production on magazines.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-03-19, 14:02
OMG this is awesome. I’m going to be putting away pennies for this one.
From what I caught on HK pro it sounds like availability is going to be really really low though considering the number being brought in.
Did I miss a different announcement?
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Too little, too late, too much money.
But have fun to those willing to play
CAMagnussen
12-03-19, 16:48
Too little, too late, too much money.
But have fun to those willing to play
Yes, precisely so.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-03-19, 18:10
If anybody sees one in stock for MsRP or less send me a PM. This is the first really cool release from a gun maker in years for me.
RetroRevolver77
12-04-19, 10:12
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1/2x28 threads couldn't be gayer
True, for those of us with a KAC Navy can. Everyone else should three-lug.
Outlander Systems
12-04-19, 13:55
Me too.
I'm losing my mind over this.
If anybody sees one in stock for MsRP or less send me a PM. This is the first really cool release from a gun maker in years for me.
Mp5s are cool no doubt.
APC is more better though.
That said HK better be planning to import more.
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Mp5s are cool no doubt.
APC is more better though.
That said HK better be planning to import more.
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APC9 pro crushes the mp5. And I say that as a Die Hard (pun intended) fan of the MP5. But this is America - we can and should have both.
I wish HK did not add the auto carrier block. I wish HK went with a 1/2x32 LH thread. But neither are deal killers. And those who don’t buy at least one SP5 will look back in 5-10 years and really wish they had.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-04-19, 18:41
What’s better about the APC9? Makes no difference as I want the MP5 because of what it is. I don’t keep up with modern sub machine guns so I’m just curious.
What’s better about the APC9? Makes no difference as I want the MP5 because of what it is. I don’t keep up with modern sub machine guns so I’m just curious.
I don't keep up with them much either, but from what I've read from other member's posts, the APC9 is just a more modern design.
That, and the fact that you have the option of factory Glock mag compatible lowers makes the APC9 more practical. Say what you want about the aesthetics of glock mags in PCC's, but they really do make it an easy choice. Even for someone that does not have a huge stash of glock mags already.
That said, I'm sure the people that want as close to an HK MP5 aren't prioritizing pricing/practicality etc.
What’s better about the APC9? Makes no difference as I want the MP5 because of what it is. I don’t keep up with modern sub machine guns so I’m just curious.
More ergonomic, probably more reliable due to the blowback action.
That said, the MP5 is still the softer shooter. I much prefer it.
APC9 is just a more modern design.
Being simple blowback APC9 is more comparable to HK UMP, not to MP5. Gresham-Copernicus law works not only for money ;)
What’s better about the APC9? Makes no difference as I want the MP5 because of what it is. I don’t keep up with modern sub machine guns so I’m just curious.
Better ergos, better optic mounting, last round bolt catch, truly ambidextrous, better extractor design.
RetroRevolver77
12-05-19, 09:55
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The APC9 looks retarded though while the MP5 still looks cool after all these years. I know it's subjective but I personally like stuff that has some personality or class. A lot of the newer stuff coming out just doesn't appeal to me. Looks like it's all designed by computer engineering celibate monks. I could write up an entire list of firearms that just look stupid from the EVO, to the APC 9, newer HK handguns, SIG 320 handguns, SIG MPX stuff, FN SCAR, that fish looking thing Beretta released, the CZ Bren, that Kriss Vector contraption, the S&W M&P pistols, Tavor, the new Galil etc.
I disagree. The APC9 Pro is rather aesthetically appealing to me. Especially with the pdw telescoping stock. Some of those others, yeah ugly.
But the MP5 vs APC9 Pro comparison is centered around function, not form.
MadAngler1
12-05-19, 13:41
I called my local dealer and put my name down. They already sold their one SP5 they had shipped to them this week. Hopefully it won’t be long. I have wanted a real MP5 since I was in grade school. I’m going to put a Knight’s RAS on it. Still trying to decide on the stock after I submit a form 1.
Numrich has the best deal going on German F stocks. I would pick that and a diopter sight up now as I believe they will be hard to find as more of the SP5’s flood the market.
For the diopter I would try HK specialist, HKParts sells a knockoff as an all-german part.
RetroRevolver77
12-05-19, 16:24
Delete.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-05-19, 18:40
I would presume the MP5 is more accurate and smoother, but that is just based on the roller-lock vs the straight blowback. Shooting a real Mp5 is way better than my NFA FA Uzi, but I am sure the APC is way smoother than an uzi. But I agree it is nicer to have the railed top rather than having to use a pic mount.
I would presume the MP5 is more accurate and smoother, but that is just based on the roller-lock vs the straight blowback. Shooting a real Mp5 is way better than my NFA FA Uzi, but I am sure the APC is way smoother than an uzi. But I agree it is nicer to have the railed top rather than having to use a pic mount.
Correct, APC is a closed bolt and has a very effective hydraulic buffer system but it’s still a blowback gun and when shot next to an MP5 is noticeably harsher.
Too little, too late, too much money.
But have fun to those willing to play
I hear 1985 calling. They seemed too pricey then and do now as well.
hotrodder636
12-05-19, 20:46
It is my understanding that the first “batch” will be limited but we should be patient as more are expected.
From what I caught on HK pro it sounds like availability is going to be really really low though considering the number being brought in.
Did I miss a different announcement?
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I would presume the MP5 is more accurate and smoother, but that is just based on the roller-lock vs the straight blowback. Shooting a real Mp5 is way better than my NFA FA Uzi, but I am sure the APC is way smoother than an uzi. But I agree it is nicer to have the railed top rather than having to use a pic mount.
The APC9 fullauto is (to me) subjectively just as smooth and soft shooting as my fullauto MP5K-N with #28 (80 degree) locking piece, and only ever so slightly less so than my fullauto MP5-N with F stock. I haven’t benched my MP5s or the APC9, but I can say that practically speaking I don’t notice a difference between the APC9 and MP5 in accuracy. The APC9 uses a cold hammer forged nitrided barrel made from the same A&D steel as HK barrels - they are accurate barrels. I love my fullauto UZIs, however they are a different class of SMG than the MP5 and APC9.
I called my local dealer and put my name down. They already sold their one SP5 they had shipped to them this week. Hopefully it won’t be long. I have wanted a real MP5 since I was in grade school. I’m going to put a Knight’s RAS on it. Still trying to decide on the stock after I submit a form 1.
F stock, no contest. As previously mentioned, Numrich is the best price.
You may be correct, in time people might see the APC 9 as a viable replacement for the MP5 once it becomes more recognizable. However I've learned my lessons the hard way collecting. Taking huge hits on re-sale values of stuff that is a competitor or oddity compared to more recognized weapons. At the prices you could potentially buy an MP5 for right now- say under $3K, it's really a no brainer. They were what $5K on up just a few months back for used HK 94's? People paying over $8K on up for an SBR'd re-marked HK 94 or SP89? It was getting ridiculous. This is a huge deal getting in on these SP5/MP5's at this price point. Especially for all the guys that wished they had bought one back when they were much more affordable. Given the age of the MP5, I'd say it's likely to get phased out sooner than later but from a nostalgia stand point- who doesn't want an MP5, they are just cool looking.
Buy both. Problem solved.
hotrodder636
12-05-19, 21:04
I have an APC9 Pro, an SP5K and I still want one of these SP5s and if they release a new SP5K.
I like the MP5...simple.
I already have a KAC handguard for it too
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-05-19, 21:29
This will be my first SBR. I think I want the fixed stock and the old Surefire forend so I can go totally 80s/90s boss with this thing. I already started looking for mags and they are either ONE MILLION DOLLARS or out of stock. I think HK may have done good on this one.
RetroRevolver77
12-05-19, 23:38
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This will be my first SBR. I think I want the fixed stock and the old Surefire forend so I can go totally 80s/90s boss with this thing. I already started looking for mags and they are either ONE MILLION DOLLARS or out of stock. I think HK may have done good on this one.
Its a good start. Get the correct rear sight(hkspecialist has it for like 50 bucks for the real diopter rear sight). Those surefire forends are expensive but if you want the look well you want the look. The B&T ones can be found cheaper but the surefire looks better. Biggest problem is that you can't run a can with most of them without an adapter. For mags a lot of people swear by the pof mags. Places like RTG parts get them in batches and they are a lot cheaper. The MKE mags are good but they are not much cheaper than the hk ones.
They'll be bringing in mags. I'm seeing ten packs for $600 for new production mags- which is cheaper than some used mags anymore. Get the F stock, I had an A2 stock on my SBR MP5 and I don't ever use it- went collapsible stock then never looked back because it fits into a backpack. I want to get the MP5 KAC rail but they are rare and hard to find. You guys are getting in on new production stuff, so take advantage of what's available today on the market- not what was cool for period correct late 80's HK 94's turned MP5. I'll put up some pictures someday of my MP5's and German SIG pistols, but these days- hell add the new production HK pistols to go with your MP5's along with modern rails, upper rails, optics etc.
RR77
Operation Parts has one of the MP5 Ras rails in stock. They started remaking them maybe two or three years ago in limited numbers but they did a few runs. I'd buy one now although it wouldn't surprise me if they release them again before too long. Gun parts corp has the mp5f stocks new still for 350 bucks which is where I'd get one Greg. Honestly I prefer the old school a3 but they are getting harder to find(I like that its a little shorter) but the A2 is the best shooting stock followed by the b&t. People like the a3 though because it looks cool and yea makes the gun a lot smaller without making it thicker like a choate or b&t folded.
MountainRaven
12-06-19, 12:47
I think the SureFire foreends are not only neat looking but actually very practical. I frankly think they're the best way to mount a light on an MP5.
Not going to buy two until modification to the carrier block is decided to be GTG.
If it can't be sear host, don't want it. Have SP5K's worked by TSC to scratch enough of itch.
Need to do a 33K host anyway.
Not going to buy two until modification to the carrier block is decided to be GTG.
If it can't be sear host, don't want it. Have SP5K's worked by TSC to scratch enough of itch.
Need to do a 33K host anyway.
Sounds like a good time to pick up a 94 to send to TSC. I just grabbed on on Gunbroker for $3,900 with an A3 and A2 stock as well as a pile of mags. They have taken a big hit with the SP5 release, but to me they are still preferable.
I don't see the ATF going for a receiver modification.
Sounds like a good time to pick up a 94 to send to TSC.
I would send it ASAP. If new gun laws as written in VA pass, Mike will be shutting down in all likelihood. Straight from his mouth.
Have another beltfed with him, but has been there for a while so place "in line" is fine even with possible timeline. Also have everything necessary for 33K build but wonder if he could get to it in time if he does shut down in June.
Calling him Monday.
I would send it ASAP. If new gun laws as written in VA pass, Mike will be shutting down in all likelihood. Straight from his mouth.
Have another beltfed with him, but has been there for a while so place "in line" is fine even with possible timeline. Also have everything necessary for 33K build but wonder if he could get to it in time if he does shut down in June.
Calling him Monday.
Ya he said the same to me, actually one of the reasons I was willing to pull the trigger now on the 94. I have a G3K with him now and just picked up a PDW.
Not going to buy two until modification to the carrier block is decided to be GTG.
If it can't be sear host, don't want it. Have SP5K's worked by TSC to scratch enough of itch.
Need to do a 33K host anyway.
Why won't a two piece "bolt together" type carrier work? Wasn't someone building those to get around these type of blocks? I know it wouldn't be like a factory HK MG, but neither are any of the '94 conversions with shelves and all.
I think the timing would be off compared to other hosts. People were able to get around the Zenith block, but as I understand the SP5 has a higher block.
I think the timing would be off compared to other hosts. People were able to get around the Zenith block, but as I understand the SP5 has a higher block.
Timing would not be off as long as the trip surface is in the same fore/aft location on the carrier and release lever.
I would send it ASAP. If new gun laws as written in VA pass, Mike will be shutting down in all likelihood. Straight from his mouth.
Have another beltfed with him, but has been there for a while so place "in line" is fine even with possible timeline. Also have everything necessary for 33K build but wonder if he could get to it in time if he does shut down in June.
Calling him Monday.
Yea all of us in Virginia are worried right now. They democrats welcomed voting for a child f*cker for a second time and think that is normal but don't want us owning guns.
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-05-20, 02:31
Had a guy at a gun shop explain to me not to get the SP5 because it takes proprietary HK mags!������
CharlieDeltaJuliet
01-05-20, 06:53
Had a guy at a gun shop explain to me not to get the SP5 because it takes proprietary HK mags!������
I had a guy tell me that it is an overpriced firearm and wasn’t worth having. I asked if he could elaborate and he said it was an “ancient” system and wasn’t reliable. He went back to his “it is too expensive” as he was drooling over some KAC parts. He proceeded to tell me that he heard the army is going back to the old M110 because HK couldn’t deliver a rifle that was as accurate/reliable/or well built. He has a “buddy with an MR762 that will not shoot better than 4” at 100yds”. I just smiled and shook my head.
I like certain brands more, but I don’t hate certian brands more.
Eurodriver
01-05-20, 10:18
I’m bidding on one on Gunbroker right now for $3125.
Seems a bit steep considering the retail pricing (but OOS everywhere) and I’m not sure where to stop bidding since guys are continuing to bid.
Are more being imported or should I just stop being poor and keep bidding?
Had a guy at a gun shop explain to me not to get the SP5 because it takes proprietary HK mags!������
I had a guy tell me that it is an overpriced firearm and wasn’t worth having. I asked if he could elaborate and he said it was an “ancient” system and wasn’t reliable. He went back to his “it is too expensive” as he was drooling over some KAC parts. He proceeded to tell me that he heard the army is going back to the old M110 because HK couldn’t deliver a rifle that was as accurate/reliable/or well built. He has a “buddy with an MR762 that will not shoot better than 4” at 100yds”. I just smiled and shook my head.
I like certain brands more, but I don’t hate certian brands more.
Do you guys call people like that out?
Not HK related, but I recently bought my first shotgun. I went to a LGS because I was in a hurry and needed 00 buck.
I ask the guy behind the counter for it and as he hands it to me he said “That’s exactly what you need for a home invader! If they don’t run away at the sound of racking the action first!”
I asked him why I’d want to give away my position by racking a slide, and if he knew anything about wall penetration with 00 buckshot verse a .223. Plus, a .223 has 30 semi auto rounds, whereas my pump shotty has only 10. Told him to do some research and stop giving bogus advice.
But I guess I just like being “abrasive”...
CharlieDeltaJuliet
01-05-20, 11:35
60223
I didn’t call him out, me and the store owner got a good chuckle out of it because he knew how many HK’s I own/owned.
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-05-20, 15:01
Eurodriver,
I did call the guy out. But I have a tone I use which is both mocking but also invites the person to join in the mocking. It's hard to describe but it is useful. Usually I just ignore this kind of stuff, but this was too silly and HK hating by gunbros usually sends my eyes to the back of my head.
Honestly, I am waiting for them to come down to MSRP. I have (and I know you have) too much stuff already to pay that much extra. BUT I have bought plenty of overpriced guns just because I wanted to the damn thing so I'm not judging you.
MountainRaven
01-05-20, 20:32
I think H&K is planning to import more SP5s, but if you gotta have one now...
More SP5s are coming. Though $3k’ish seems too high, wait until they are no longer imported and people will talk about how they should have bought one when they were “only $3500”. That said, if you wait a bit you will likely find one for MSRP.
Weren't they about $850 in 1985? If so, that would be about $2,000 today.
Eurodriver
01-06-20, 04:42
Eurodriver,
I did call the guy out. But I have a tone I use which is both mocking but also invites the person to join in the mocking. It's hard to describe but it is useful. Usually I just ignore this kind of stuff, but this was too silly and HK hating by gunbros usually sends my eyes to the back of my head.
Honestly, I am waiting for them to come down to MSRP. I have (and I know you have) too much stuff already to pay that much extra. BUT I have bought plenty of overpriced guns just because I wanted to the damn thing so I'm not judging you.
It’s ok. Someone already outbid me.
I want one. Bad. I’d pay $3k.
But I’m not paying $3500. Gotta draw the line in the sand somewhere before doubling down on the mortgage or some foolishness! :) Hopefully Josh is right about more at MSRP.
I wasn’t trying to say you or anyone else is “afraid” of calling people out with my post, for the record. I just think everyone needs to stop rolling their eyes and ignoring the BS and actually call people out. I view all gun owners as being on “my side” and the dumber we sound the more it hurts anyone. Glad you said something and I’d be curious to hear more about this tone ;)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200106/32a4c780bda5fd5e620e7a40198a3bc1.plist
I put my name down with my LGS a couple of days before Christmas and they came through the following week at $2450 out the door. Hk pro members are saying more are coming late this month so I hope that is true as the gunbroker prices are through the roof.
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If I get one at a super good price then yay.
If not, I have my UMP. And even then I like the Colt more.
I would get one solely for larping and 80s nostalgia.
Relatively speaking a 2500 SP5 is no more expensive in 2020 money than a 600 HK94 in 1982 money.
It’s a toy. A fun toy. But a toy.
I don't think I'd go so far as to call it a toy. Plenty of BG's 6 feet under thanks to an MP5.
With TSC mods making it viable for F/A fun, I'll pick a couple up to go with the SP5K's, drop burst lowers on them, and keep one suppressed for HD.
I don't think I'd go so far as to call it a toy. Plenty of BG's 6 feet under thanks to an MP5.
With TSC mods making it viable for F/A fun, I'll pick a couple up to go with the SP5K's, drop burst lowers on them, and keep one suppressed for HD.
In 2020 it’s a toy. Nothing wrong with toys. They make life fun.
If it were 1977 then yeah, MP5s certainly fill a needed role but Mk. 18s exist now so....
It’s a toy.
In 2077 when they make cyberpunk ARs that have 7” barrels and hold 60 rounds in, what to us, would have the dimensions of a 30 round USGI and fire some caseless high velocity, high expansion ammo then I will be back to say “Oh cool. Retro Mk. 18s! Fun to have but they are a toy”
Still don’t think it qualifies as a toy. Especially when it can put your eye out.
My Colt SBR’s in 556 are excellent; no question. The SP5k’s with burst lowers are great as well.
My HK 51 rules them all! Actually, you made me rethink and the SP5’s and 6933’s will sit in the safes and the 51 is now going to be on HD duty. That or a 23e.
Still don’t think it qualifies as a toy. Especially when it can put your eye out.
My Colt SBR’s in 556 are excellent; no question. The SP5k’s with burst lowers are great as well.
My HK 51 rules them all! Actually, you made me rethink and the SP5’s and 6933’s will sit in the safes and the 51 is now going to be on HD duty. That or a 23e.
Lol and people think I am on acid.
If you shoot a thuggy with a 51 I dunno what he would need more, a trauma surgeon or a burn ward.
But I’ll allow it!
hotrodder636
01-08-20, 19:06
I am so in the same boat as you brother. I want one bad but can’t justify >3000.
It’s ok. Someone already outbid me.
I want one. Bad. I’d pay $3k.
But I’m not paying $3500. Gotta draw the line in the sand somewhere before doubling down on the mortgage or some foolishness! :) Hopefully Josh is right about more at MSRP.
I wasn’t trying to say you or anyone else is “afraid” of calling people out with my post, for the record. I just think everyone needs to stop rolling their eyes and ignoring the BS and actually call people out. I view all gun owners as being on “my side” and the dumber we sound the more it hurts anyone. Glad you said something and I’d be curious to hear more about this tone ;)
Still don’t think it qualifies as a toy. Especially when it can put your eye out.
My Colt SBR’s in 556 are excellent; no question. The SP5k’s with burst lowers are great as well.
My HK 51 rules them all! Actually, you made me rethink and the SP5’s and 6933’s will sit in the safes and the 51 is now going to be on HD duty. That or a 23e.
51 on HD duty? You’re converting all you’re muzzle velocity into a pseudo flashbang at the end of the muzzle. The ballistics on an 8.5” 308 suck. You’re better off shooting 300bo.
Now the 23e, that is an excellent choice for repelling invaders of your homestead after societal collapse. :)
The ballistics on an 8.5” 308 suck. You’re better off shooting 300bo.
Not if you shoot them 30-100 times.
Jealous of the 02/07. Cranked out any sears yet?
Not if you shoot them 30-100 times.
Jealous of the 02/07. Cranked out any sears yet?
Who needs sears when you can cut and register trigger frames?
Who needs sears when you can cut and register trigger frames?
Bastard!!!!
So jealous!
Bastard!!!!
So jealous!
Says the guy with two E guns.
RetroRevolver77
01-23-20, 12:03
Delete.
I had a guy buy a semi auto MKE MP5K pistol off me several years ago when I was switching to HK only MP5's. His next purchase according to his feedback was to buy an HK FA trigger pack. I'm like hmm, then I noticed he bought a drill fixture for converting FA sear packs to fit semi auto hosts. He was a noob so I figured I'd e-mail him and say, "hey I hope you aren't going to convert that MKE into a full auto". He only responded, "I thought that you could pay a $200 stamp to convert them". So I told him, "not since 1986 dummy, better get rid of that shit RFN". So from what I know he immediately freaked out and got rid of those components.
RR
I am an 07/02 FFL/SOT. Different animal.
Is the SP5 built to "F" spec? I'm wondering if the A3 or A3 F collapsible stock is the appropriate one for it.
Once you have trigger time with a real MP5 with various automatic settings, plinking with single-shot mode is .... well ... boring.
Is the SP5 built to "F" spec? I'm wondering if the A3 or A3 F collapsible stock is the appropriate one for it.
F bolt group but not F/40/10 cocking tube/support/handle.
F bolt group but not F/40/10 cocking tube/support/handle.
Also, it’s missing the ambi sling loop on the front sight. Everything else is F spec.
Also, it’s missing the ambi sling loop on the front sight. Everything else is F spec.
True, thanks I forgot to include that.
Any word on an updated SP5k?
True, thanks I forgot to include that.
Thank you both for the info.
Thank you both for the info.
I have the F stock on my MP5-N. It’s the only current collapsible stock that HK makes, so it’s technically factory correct for any recent production MP5. The F stock buffer is also excellent and makes an already soft/smooth shooting SMG even smoother.
Buy the F stock.
I have the F stock on my MP5-N. It’s the only current collapsible stock that HK makes, so it’s technically factory correct for any recent production MP5. The F stock buffer is also excellent and makes an already soft/smooth shooting SMG even smoother.
Buy the F stock.
Done!
Thanks again.
Once you have trigger time with a real MP5 with various automatic settings, plinking with single-shot mode is .... well ... boring.
Not really. I probably have half a dozen semi auto SBRs (HKs and MKEs) and 4 actual factual MP5s. I shoot my SBRs as much as anything. When shooting my MP5s, I shoot it on semi a lot, especially if I'm running staged drills.
RetroRevolver77
03-18-20, 14:37
Delete.
MountainRaven
03-22-20, 15:03
I really regret selling the used SureFire 628 momentary-only that I got a screaming deal on four years ago or so, when HKParts got a bunch of LE turn-ins.
How are people putting lights on their SP5/MP5s now?
HK's webshop had the B&T lighted forend for pretty cheap, at least compared to the surefire ones. I bought one around Christmas as I was given a 25% off coupon that made it really good. Doesn't look as cool as the surefire ones but the light sits lower and clears a lot of 3 lug cans.
contax_shooter
03-22-20, 16:49
I really regret selling the used SureFire 628 momentary-only that I got a screaming deal on four years ago or so, when HKParts got a bunch of LE turn-ins.
How are people putting lights on their SP5/MP5s now?
Throw a rail on it. Midwest MLOK rail, KAC picatinny rail or whatever flavor you like.
How many Steyr AUG's do you have?
Down to three. A 20" Green A1, a black 16" A4 and a pre86 black 16" A2.
Rayrevolver
03-31-20, 09:00
I really regret selling the used SureFire 628 momentary-only that I got a screaming deal on four years ago or so, when HKParts got a bunch of LE turn-ins.
How are people putting lights on their SP5/MP5s now?
Its been a struggle, especially trying to run a can as well. I use a keymod handguard and a cantilever picatinny rail. I wanted to use an X300 or the Inforce WML but I just couldn't make those work. I ended up with a cheap Klarus and remote switch for now.
This is how I had it setup for a little night shooting in my yard (that little pictanny thing in front of the rear sight is for a brass catcher):
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49719658518_d0a85bb5d0_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iKyfgG)
Just sold one of my custom 1911’s to fund one of these. Anybody know of a dealer that is selling these for “normal” prices?
hotrodder636
04-06-20, 19:25
I wish....
Just sold one of my custom 1911’s to fund one of these. Anybody know of a dealer that is selling these for “normal” prices?
I wish....
Yeah, I figured, GB has some with buy it now of 2950....might just bite the bullet.
Just sold one of my custom 1911’s to fund one of these. Anybody know of a dealer that is selling these for “normal” prices?
In a few years when these are unavailable or 2-3x the current price, you won’t really care that you paid an extra $200-400. I recommend buying now. I would not feel terrible in paying up to $3k in the current market.
Picked up an SP5 and an SP5k last weekend. Submitted my form 1's on Saturday. Hope they don't take too long.
https://i.imgur.com/ODUrXJn.jpg
MountainRaven
04-13-20, 15:44
Apologies if this has been covered before, but...
...Are the new KCI magazines worth a spit?
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-13-20, 17:34
Picked up an SP5 and an SP5k last weekend. Submitted my form 1's on Saturday. Hope they don't take too long.
https://i.imgur.com/ODUrXJn.jpg
OH, I'm feeling the vapors....
Was finger banging my PSP last night wondering what current gun will be the unobtanium soon...
Are they still new at guns stores, or are they all just on GB now?
The Gen II KCIs are considered decent. I've had a few failures with my PTR9KT but they've been generally reliable. I use HK Mags for serious applications and KCIs for the range.
OH, I'm feeling the vapors....
Was finger banging my PSP last night wondering what current gun will be the unobtanium soon...
Are they still new at guns stores, or are they all just on GB now?
There were one or two stores in my state that had an SP5 in stock, but the one close to me sold it the day before I stopped in, and the other store was about 3 hours away. SP5k's are dried up pretty much everywhere. I ended up going through gunbroker for both of them. With the remorse I felt not picking up a reasonably priced SP89 long long ago, I wasn't about to let history repeat itself lol.
Mr McSimon
05-11-20, 20:03
I love my LGS and the people who work there. They're also a customer of mine and I do trades with them a lot. This last Friday when making a delivery I noticed a new SP5 on their wall that hadn't been there the week before, the price tag reading $2799.00, full on MSRP. They had three in stock, and when I asked what "my" price would be, I got a number that surprised me. $2200.00 + tax, almost exactly the price of the t-shirts I just dropped off for them. I've been shopping for a sub gun anyways, so I was all over that. The next thing I know the store manager wrote off my invoices and handed over a gift card, which I promptly spent on the H&K. I wonder how long it will be before the great deal feeling I have wears off? I'm thinking something like, never.
I love my LGS and the people who work there. They're also a customer of mine and I do trades with them a lot. This last Friday when making a delivery I noticed a new SP5 on their wall that hadn't been there the week before, the price tag reading $2799.00, full on MSRP. They had three in stock, and when I asked what "my" price would be, I got a number that surprised me. $2200.00 + tax, almost exactly the price of the t-shirts I just dropped off for them. I've been shopping for a sub gun anyways, so I was all over that. The next thing I know the store manager wrote off my invoices and handed over a gift card, which I promptly spent on the H&K. I wonder how long it will be before the great deal feeling I have wears off? I'm thinking something like, never.
That’s awesome! Hook a brother up :)
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-05-21, 19:17
I had been waiting for a sp5k-PDW, but a sp5 came in and I snagged it. With me at home. Going to pistol brace it for now, but probably SBR it.
Do,these need the alternate geometry parts to shoot sub/147s with or with out a can?
I was surprised that the interior of the mag well isn’t coated black? Is there a general primer coating on the whole gun before they paint the outside? On the mag well, opposite side of the push button, there is a ‘c’ Sheetmetal piece with a hole in it? For a sling set-up?
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-05-21, 19:40
I think the SP5 is the cooler item (personal pref). I have shot mine with subs and a can with no issue. The little piece of metal is for the old-school HK 3 point sling.
I had been waiting for a sp5k-PDW, but a sp5 came in and I snagged it. With me at home. Going to pistol brace it for now, but probably SBR it.
Do,these need the alternate geometry parts to shoot sub/147s with or with out a can?
I was surprised that the interior of the mag well isn’t coated black? Is there a general primer coating on the whole gun before they paint the outside? On the mag well, opposite side of the push button, there is a ‘c’ Sheetmetal piece with a hole in it? For a sling set-up?
Subs will be fine with the standard locking piece.
It’s paint over phosphate. The interior of the magwell isn’t painted, only phosphated on the HK roller delayed series.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-06-21, 22:51
Man, got that b&T slider brace- jeez, if I run out of ammo, I’ll just beat people with that... that thing is solid.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-08-21, 23:46
I was just watching forgotten weapons breakdown of the SP5 from a year ago. Interestingly the rear sight was castle sight. All four settings on my SP5 that I just got are apertures
The new batch have the correct sight. Earlier batches had the castelated sight from the MP5K.
I was just watching forgotten weapons breakdown of the SP5 from a year ago. Interestingly the rear sight was castle sight. All four settings on my SP5 that I just got are apertures
Carry over from the SP5ks which were the first ones introduced. You have a correct MP5 rear sight. Even on K's I swap them out. Castle sights suck.
Man, got that b&T slider brace- jeez, if I run out of ammo, I’ll just beat people with that... that thing is solid.
Does it leave scratch marks on the sp5 like it does b&t guns?
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-11-21, 23:11
Does it leave scratch marks on the sp5 like it does b&t guns?
Not yet. Haven’t gotten it to the range yet with the bad weather and Mother’s Day. My son has been finger banging it a lot, and he can screw up an iron ball, and I don’t see anything yet.
The new batch have the correct sight. Earlier batches had the castelated sight from the MP5K.
IIRC when HK released those CA DOJ HK94s in the early-00s they all had the castleated sights as well.
IIRC when HK released those CA DOJ HK94s in the early-00s they all had the castleated sights as well.
Yep, but that is how CA DOC ordered them.
IIRC when HK released those CA DOJ HK94s in the early-00s they all had the castleated sights as well.
What's a castelated sight?
The Dumb Gun Collector
06-06-21, 09:22
What's a castelated sight?
It’s basically the drum sight with open notches instead of apertures. They were correct for the original, stockless, mp5k. They are better if you aren’t using a brace since it is difficult to use apertures unless you are going to hold it right up to your eye. The regular G3 and the Sig 550 have at least one open notch, I am assuming principally for low light conditions.
https://hkparts.net/product/mp5k-sp89-sp5k-rear-sight-german-us-p17820.htm/
Thanks for the explanation.
It’s basically the drum sight with open notches instead of apertures. They were correct for the original, stockless, mp5k. They are better if you aren’t using a brace since it is difficult to use apertures unless you are going to hold it right up to your eye. The regular G3 and the Sig 550 have at least one open notch, I am assuming principally for low light conditions.
https://hkparts.net/product/mp5k-sp89-sp5k-rear-sight-german-us-p17820.htm/
On the MP5 that's not really the case, they are much, much more open than the 2,3 and 4 positions found on HK and SIG rifles. On 91/G3s and 93/33 you need that open sight because the other positions are fine tuning. On MP5/94s the widest aperture is pretty fast.
That said, I once put a G3 drum on a MP5 and it was pretty nice.
This excites me, I have been awaiting a MP5 from H&K, and it will be a great replacement for the Vector.
Selling something soon?
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-30-21, 18:57
What do we think of this one?
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-p-9mm-pistol-mke-turkey
Colorado is going to go full stupid on gun laws, so while I’d like get an HK, I don’t think I can wait. Would this be an OK stand in for an HK SP5K until I figure out.
Mr McSimon
06-30-21, 19:10
If you're not going full on HK, I'd look at the PTR 91CT as an alternative.
https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=131270&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=9669270f8497b835d458bdd54866a1ca3925785d-1625098161-0-AQdvG7w-28kAn3GphzUzBijqTZD7vJCoa3XUuvGtsXFSDPtOVOIysyfU2uLuZGPOPMcBX5zXzHPZ2gOW7sr-jSwIddTzLFnH8wIQUzRooLzl6EUY_paVf5GEWNGCYMZZ7T49-EVU9pOkV7XKRvC7slcRicdDu2dsyt4Ks7pAc_1zhnVuyf4XJwCEys7F_UGxUqPVdAAD5GXyNZFarmLpBrD_MGC0GRGXeCRIBRPxDvCllCGDWTGwhJvox3_xfZr6twVOvtyuMMztmhTOM4NEZbEpV2VsL4KUyxhBPd0Stcut7k6ft3sJhFu1ZVA5CahIAtFQJcDMuo9us9w2ANSvGIDeoH4fi0VDxG5y63X1qvjFtTm4DiiHsDEpfKhKTBPZ-OJ239ib0HpUwJJgQ6x4WWAeu6s-hyVkIBp8DAJMU0Nv
What do we think of this one?
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-p-9mm-pistol-mke-turkey
Colorado is going to go full stupid on gun laws, so while I’d like get an HK, I don’t think I can wait. Would this be an OK stand in for an HK SP5K until I figure out.
So MKE's were a viable contract gun when they were being imported by Zenith and I think ATI before that. At the time they were about $1200 and a fantastic alternative to things like CA DOC HK-94s. But then MKE got greedy, jacked up prices and dropped quality control. Zenith tried to keep the quality on par with previous imports but it just wasn't happening.
Now CAI is importing them and they are perfectly happy to import complete junk and sell it. Given the fact that these "new" MKE's are actually selling for more than German HK imports you'd have to have something seriously wrong with you to buy one. You can score NIB HK guns for $2995 and anyone not willing to spend the difference probably deserves one of these new CAI guns.
That's as close as I can come to saying anything nice about the current MKE's coming in from CAI.
At this point my odds of someday scoring an actual MP5 as a “battlefield pickup” are greater than the odds of me ever being able to afford an SP5.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-01-21, 15:20
So MKE's were a viable contract gun when they were being imported by Zenith and I think ATI before that. At the time they were about $1200 and a fantastic alternative to things like CA DOC HK-94s. But then MKE got greedy, jacked up prices and dropped quality control. Zenith tried to keep the quality on par with previous imports but it just wasn't happening.
Now CAI is importing them and they are perfectly happy to import complete junk and sell it. Given the fact that these "new" MKE's are actually selling for more than German HK imports you'd have to have something seriously wrong with you to buy one. You can score NIB HK guns for $2995 and anyone not willing to spend the difference probably deserves one of these new CAI guns.
That's as close as I can come to saying anything nice about the current MKE's coming in from CAI.
The describe lineage seemed right, the price seemed really wrong..
At this point my odds of someday scoring an actual MP5 as a “battlefield pickup” are greater than the odds of me ever being able to afford an SP5.
How many extraneous ARs do you have that you could sell and fund a SP5?
The Dumb Gun Collector
07-01-21, 20:21
Yeah this pricing is bananas. I understand people who have money burning a hole in their pocket have paid more than 3k for an HK SP5 ( I got mine for $2700 but I was lucky). That, sort of , makes sense because there is rumbling that imports might get cut off. But nearly 3k for a Turk MP5? Just seems absurd to me. I guess the market will have the final say.
How many extraneous ARs do you have that you could sell and fund a SP5?
I could possibly unload a few, but then I start asking myself questions about whether in this day and age it makes more sense to have a few extra ARs and AKs in “reserve” so to speak, or one extremely pricey (but admittedly super cool) PCC.
If I were to get an MP5 style gun, it would be the HK for sure though. At that point there’s no sense in half assing it and getting a clone.
Mr McSimon
07-01-21, 20:53
I could possibly unload a few, but then I start asking myself questions about whether in this day and age it makes more sense to have a few extra ARs and AKs in “reserve” so to speak, or one extremely pricey (but admittedly super cool) PCC.
If I were to get an MP5 style gun, it would be the HK for sure though. At that point there’s no sense in half assing it and getting a clone.
Get the HK, even if you have to sell an AR or AK, you'll be happy you did. In a few years the price will be a distant memory. Get a can to go with it while you're at it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50000011152_c83e52e56b_k.jpg
I could possibly unload a few, but then I start asking myself questions about whether in this day and age it makes more sense to have a few extra ARs and AKs in “reserve” so to speak, or one extremely pricey (but admittedly super cool) PCC.
If I were to get an MP5 style gun, it would be the HK for sure though. At that point there’s no sense in half assing it and getting a clone.
If you are flush with ARs, I would definitely sell a few to buy a SP5.
So MKE's were a viable contract gun when they were being imported by Zenith and I think ATI before that. At the time they were about $1200 and a fantastic alternative to things like CA DOC HK-94s. But then MKE got greedy, jacked up prices and dropped quality control. Zenith tried to keep the quality on par with previous imports but it just wasn't happening.
Now CAI is importing them and they are perfectly happy to import complete junk and sell it. Given the fact that these "new" MKE's are actually selling for more than German HK imports you'd have to have something seriously wrong with you to buy one. You can score NIB HK guns for $2995 and anyone not willing to spend the difference probably deserves one of these new CAI guns.
That's as close as I can come to saying anything nice about the current MKE's coming in from CAI.
Agreed.
No clue how the seller's on GB are going to unload Erdogan's CAI MP5 clones, for $2,800. Really liked my POF reverse stretch and full size guns. Sold them about a year ago on GB. Initially, they were cheap to pick up. I do not understand why MKE/CAI items are trying to compete with the name-brand Hk product. For a few dollars more you can buy the HK.
The licensed copy is great buy, at $1,200. At $2,800 it is no contest.
methical20
07-05-21, 18:42
HK Web Shop has MP5 30-round magazines in stock with 15% off for the 4th.
Looks like HK now has a 16" barrel handgun design. Oddly enough the 16 barrel is tipped with a three lug / threaded setup.
Looks like HK now has a 16" barrel handgun design. Oddly enough the 16 barrel is tipped with a three lug / threaded setup.
The SP5-L has been out for awhile.
The SP5-L has been out for awhile.
I just saw it for the first time seeing if any of the wholesalers actually have a SP5 in stock, which of course they don't.
Mr McSimon
07-09-21, 08:29
I just saw it for the first time seeing if any of the wholesalers actually have a SP5 in stock, which of course they don't.
Recoil has stock, but maybe not at the price you want to pay. https://www.recoilgunworks.com/shop/heckler-koch-sp5-9mm-pistol-39971
Mr McSimon
07-09-21, 22:32
Recoil has stock, but maybe not at the price you want to pay. https://www.recoilgunworks.com/shop/heckler-koch-sp5-9mm-pistol-39971
Here we go. Pretty cool build kit here. Sub $2K MP5.
https://hkparts.net/product/mp5-9mm-pistol-build-kit-with-flat-weldment-set-p16606.htm/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Email%20Campaign%202021-07-09%2015%3A21%3A53%20%28TE29sy%29&_kx=Y5vM9OV9a5_uedNxjMDsRY-Ql8FYEkDOqClQD9BotUc%3D.MuqaA3
Thanks but not interested in building a clone or paying Covid/Antifa/Biden prices for factory guns.
I'm a FFL so not gonna pay much more than a FFL price for anything. I already have several factory original MP5s (premay samples) and some MKE contract guns so if I miss out on the whole SP5 thing I'm gonna be ok. But I'd still like to snag some one day just to have them.
Here we go. Pretty cool build kit here. Sub $2K MP5.
https://hkparts.net/product/mp5-9mm-pistol-build-kit-with-flat-weldment-set-p16606.htm/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Email%20Campaign%202021-07-09%2015%3A21%3A53%20%28TE29sy%29&_kx=Y5vM9OV9a5_uedNxjMDsRY-Ql8FYEkDOqClQD9BotUc%3D.MuqaA3
That won’t be sub $2k once it’s built by a decent smith. If I was going the clone route, I’d buy one of Ralph Jr’s MP5s where he grafts the front half of a German gun to the back half of a rolled LSC flat and properly cuts the scope mounting tabs.
That won’t be sub $2k once it’s built by a decent smith. If I was going the clone route, I’d buy one of Ralph Jr’s MP5s where he grafts the front half of a German gun to the back half of a rolled LSC flat and properly cuts the scope mounting tabs.
Agree on this. But a Ralph gun these days is more than a SP5.
My Ralph Sr MP5/40 is the only non-German MP5 I own and it is a masterpiece.
https://i.imgur.com/5Z7NvH4.jpeg
The Dumb Gun Collector
07-11-21, 20:25
They are around. I picked mine up for $2700 right before covid but when they were so new they weren't around below MSRP. Then I have found two more for friends at MSRP since. One of my friends managed to beg a dealer down to $2600. I have one friend who is constantly complaining they aren't around but when I found one he complained it wasn't $2500 like Atlantic sold one for like once.
I finally found a reasonably priced PDW. $3295 + 8.25%, at Scheel's - The Colony, TX.
Kat put me on the list and called me over the phone. They are here.
Someone else posted they sold out in 30 minutes. They would not ship the PDW.
I physically picked it up on the way to a Unknown Munition's re-loading class, in SLC.
Just grabbed a MR223, at A.U. A.U. has stocked quite a few kewl items over the last few years. They are awesome.
Same with JDI. Just too much kewl crap :D.
It seems that Century has dropped the price on their Turkish MKE imports. Atlantic Firearms is offering several of the pistols for $1,779.00. That's the right direction, but I bet the price will come down more.
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-pistol-hg6034-n-787450668539
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-m-pistol-9mm-mke-turkey
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-p-9mm-pistol-mke-turkey
It seems that Century has dropped the price on their Turkish MKE imports. Atlantic Firearms is offering several of the pistols for $1,779.00. That's the right direction, but I bet the price will come down more.
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-pistol-hg6034-n-787450668539
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-m-pistol-9mm-mke-turkey
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ap5-p-9mm-pistol-mke-turkey
Given the problems Zenith reported with their last batches of MKE's, I wouldn't even bother. The PTRs are probably a safer bet than MKE.
Interesting. I have two and they both run great. Glad I dodged that bullet.
https://i.postimg.cc/Qx1kzqvd/Z-5-RS-right-view.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/cJ9Q3ktX/Zenith-Z-43-P-SBR-right-view.jpg
Given the problems Zenith reported with their last batches of MKE's, I wouldn't even bother. The PTRs are probably a safer bet than MKE.
I've assumed that was MKE's payback for Zenith sending one of their executives to Turkish Prison. Timeline seemed to coincide.
I've assumed that was MKE's payback for Zenith sending one of their executives to Turkish Prison. Timeline seemed to coincide.
I don't. I saw quality declines with each successive import. I think the dramatic price hike was payback. The last MKEs were twice as much as the ones I bought.
And I have 3 MKEs, two second import 94p and 94k as well as a 43p that was from a much later import. There were things that had to be corrected on that 43p and it should have never went out the door like that. I have seen some online problems with some of the last Zenith guns that were eye opening.
Given the pattern of MKE and the reputation of CAI, I wouldn't trust it.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-16-21, 11:50
Anyone see any PDWs come in for sale new? My guys haven’t seen one in over a year.
Anything you find available now is, for the most part, opportunists trying to cash in on the current market and you’ll likely way over pay.
I’d hold off for a while, now is the time to build AR15’s as parts are available and more reasonably priced.
WickedWillis
11-18-21, 16:28
Anything you find available now is, for the most part, opportunists trying to cash in on the current market and you’ll likely way over pay.
I’d hold off for a while, now is the time to build AR15’s as parts are available and more reasonably priced.
Yup. I have been looking for the SP5 as of late, and they are easily $3300+ when in stock. Might just settle for the B&T at this point
I finally found a reasonably priced PDW. $3295 + 8.25%, at Scheel's - The Colony, TX.
Kat put me on the list and called me over the phone. They are here.
Someone else posted they sold out in 30 minutes. They would not ship the PDW.
I physically picked it up on the way to a Unknown Munition's re-loading class, in SLC.
Just grabbed a MR223, at A.U. A.U. has stocked quite a few kewl items over the last few years. They are awesome.
Same with JDI. Just too much kewl crap :D.
We have a Scheels coming to Chandler AZ, I am very excited to see them hurt Dicks. And see all their 2A gear.
PB
We have a Scheels coming to Chandler AZ, I am very excited to see them hurt Dicks. And see all their 2A gear.
PB
I refuse to even walk into “Richards.” Absolutely can’t stand that place.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-19-21, 14:38
Mainly was looking to see if any have been imported. I’m not in the secondary market right now.
I would have thought PSA would have had their model up by now. Not going in for that until they work out the bugs. Still not sure on all the other variants.
I decided I wanted a PPC carbine again.
Strongly considered the MP5 or PTR9CT but considering the price plus the price of accessories: Preffered handguard, lower, good magazines, brace, possibly that nice, improved bolt that is $400, it really becomes a poor value.
It will still have no LRHO, heavy trigger, may or may not feed jhp's, and some other ergo issues.
I got another Beretta Cx4 instead, as they are coming in again. Used to have one and sold it.
I had M92 mags, but got more 30 rd Beretta mags from BerettaUSA for $20 plus tax each. Free shipping. 😳😀
My previous Cx4 ate N-E-thing. 100% reliable. Light & handy, too. No, I dont like the stock either but it's worth it to gain everything else.
Oh, its drop-safe as a pistol, too. Passive firing pin block. Can keep the chamber loaded.
I dont even have a 92 pistol. Tempted to get one of the new ones. Vertec frame, thin grips, dovetailed sights, RDS mount, decocker-only, flashlight mount, D-mainspring, all factory.
I would buy another SP5 for MSRP or close to it. I’m happy with the one I have as it has been a life long gun I’ve wanted to own.
With that said, I’m going to explore the the 9mm AR15 variants a bit and see what I can do there. They have the advantage of: same ergos, palethera of parts, plus I can shoot it at night suprressed against steel at my range.
I would buy another SP5 for MSRP or close to it. I’m happy with the one I have as it has been a life long gun I’ve wanted to own.
With that said, I’m going to explore the the 9mm AR15 variants a bit and see what I can do there. They have the advantage of: same ergos, palethera of parts, plus I can shoot it at night suprressed against steel at my range.
Look into those radial-delayed CMMG's. I've read good things.
AR9 recoil is far more than one would think in typical configurations. Its much easier to stay on target while firing with a .223 AR. Turned me right off from ever buying / building one in 9mm.
Mr McSimon
12-10-21, 23:18
Sportsman's Warehouse $2799.99. I almost feel compelled to pick up another one.
Right Here (https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/hk-sp5-9mm-luger-886in-matte-black-modern-sporting-pistol-301-rounds/p/1620587?utm_campaign=gundeals&utm_medium=moderator&avad=211021_b2577cc25&utm_source=avantlink&utm_medium=gun.deals&utm_campaign=Custom+Link)
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-16-21, 19:59
Interested in the new JP-5(?) that is based on a delayed roller system too.
Just picked up a SP5K (not PDW) that TPM had remarked to MP5K-N, installed the paddle mag release, and a B&T 3 lug barrel for $3k. I'll see how it shoots in the morning.
Interested in the new JP-5(?) that is based on a delayed roller system too.
Yeah, but why the hell would you want to make it feed from Glock magazines?! Of all the magazines available, they had to choose single feed mags.
The ONLY reason is for compatibility between a Glock pistol and the PCC.
Will tomorrow bring another ride on the Century AP5 rollercoaster. WoW. The owners who purchased when these were released have been hosed. Marketing has done a great job with not one but two significant price drops. Just imagine the shop that purchased a pile of these for over 2K wholesale - each. Who is going to buy at or around that price. CAI pulled the rug out from under your feet. Zenith must be all smiles.
Time to buy at fire-sale prices.
The latest POF model looks cosmetically much better. Only gripe (it's minor) is that they dropped the production year on the top of the receiver. The finish actually looks good. The retro steel lower is a plus.
I think Zenith is in a world of hurt too. They did an excellent job on a repair for me, so I think they're quite capable. However, $2k for an MP5 clone from a company with no record of manufacturing them is going to be a hard sell.
Atlantic is a fine company to do business with, but I do wish that the POF pistols were available elsewhere. Competition is always better.
I think Zenith is in a world of hurt too. They did an excellent job on a repair for me, so I think they're quite capable. However, $2k for an MP5 clone from a company with no record of manufacturing them is going to be a hard sell.
Atlantic is a fine company to do business with, but I do wish that the POF pistols were available elsewhere. Competition is always better.
I just purchased my first AP5 pistol - for a superb price. This is my first MKE product. Erdogan and Century are now giving them away.
At this price you have no reason to gripe about the finish and the regression in cosmetics.
I don’t care to give the Pakis or Turks any of my money. I’ll stick with German HK.
I don’t care to give the Pakis or Turks any of my money. I’ll stick with German HK.
I've been trying to give HK my money for 5 damn years. But I'm not gonna pay retail when I'm also paying the costs to maintain a FFL and SOT.
I'd like to get a POF for a buddy of mine who simply can't afford a HK, but FEDARM doesn't seem to have any in stock and I'm not gonna pay the mark up at Atlantic. The first batch of POFs were available the year I moved so I literally had all my money tied up in the move and couldn't responsibly buy anything.
I got my MKE's years ago when AmChar imported the second batch but with all the QC complaints I've heard since then, especially with Century now being the importer that is also a hard pass.
Guess I'm just glad to have what I have.
Most buyers have been very happy with the Turkish MKE AP5's lately. The few that had an issue report quick, positive resolution.
Mine works great. Very accurate.
Most buyers have been very happy with the Turkish MKE AP5's lately. The few that had an issue report quick, positive resolution.
Mine works great. Very accurate.
When Zenith was the importer, they reported lots of problems that they had to fix.
My Zenith has been problem free and I’ve run dog shite ammo through it. Zero problems.
PB
It’s not about reliability concerns re: POF and MKE. It’s that Pakistan and Turkey are anathema to western liberal democracy, freedoms, and individual liberty. So f&$k them. I’ll pay more and know that A) I have the genuine article and B) that I’m not supporting jihadism.
It’s not about reliability concerns re: POF and MKE. It’s that Pakistan and Turkey are anathema to western liberal democracy, freedoms, and individual liberty. So f&$k them. I’ll pay more and know that A) I have the genuine article and B) that I’m not supporting jihadism.
I understood where you were going with that. Again, I WISH any of my wholesalers had those damn HKs in stock.
I don't see Turkey as bad as Pakistan.
We all buy feul with ingredients from the arabs and we all buy things from China because it's all that is available often.
The AP5's are good & not expensive right now. It wont last. Buy one.
When Zenith was the importer, they reported lots of problems that they had to fix.
That's history.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-18-22, 13:21
I don't see Turkey as bad as Pakistan.
We all buy feul with ingredients from the arabs and we all buy things from China because it's all that is available often.
The AP5's are good & not expensive right now. It wont last. Buy one.
Like these?
https://atlanticfirearms.com/mke-ap5?criteria%5Bavailability%5D=&sorting%5Bprice%5D=asc
I have a SP5, been waiting for 2+ years for a SP5k. I see a few different versions is this with the tri-lug the closest to a SP5K?
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035A-N
I guess the PSA one has become vaporware, and I'm not going to wait the couple of years for them to get it right after they launch it...
For $1200, I'm willing to take on a project.
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