View Full Version : (not a) Red flag standoff - Putnam County NY *Developing*
thepatriot2705
11-23-19, 23:50
Twitter is blowing up on a stand-off in Putnam County NY. Apparently a vet who goes by “whiskeywarrior556” had a red flag called in. He barricades self inside. Ensuing standoff led to people finding out on Twitter and people started overwhelming 911 system. Apparently police backed off. No real link to share at the moment.
And so it begins....
Won't be the last time this happens.
People are gonna die eventually over this stupid Red Flag shit...
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11-24-19, 00:32
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thepatriot2705
11-24-19, 00:34
Large thread on tos
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NY-man-in-standoff-with-Police-over-30-round-mags/5-2274120/?page=49
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TLDR: no one knows what’s going on. I can’t make heads or tails out of all of this. One thing that stands out is how many people reportedly kitted up and headed his way in support.
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Anyone believe them? Because I don’t. Glad to hear that people aren’t gonna sit silently and tolerate this crap. :mad:
My son was driving from West Point to Syracuse today for Thanksgiving break with a family of a fellow cadet and heard it on the radio. I've tried to follow it, but it's a mess. Supposedly this former soldier from the Vermont National Guard was ratted out that he has PTSD and a 30 round mag. LE came to confront him on it and he barricaded himself in his home. Another story is he has a restraining order for domestic violence and came back to his former home, LE called and he started broadcasting on social media.
Other stories about people showing up armed at a local cemetery staging area, numerous arrests, cell phone service being brought down and people with out of State plates being stopped in Putnam County and surrounding area. All the online Patriots are up in arms and claiming this is the start of "Boogaloo", or it's a giant cluster like Orson Wells' War of the Worlds broadcast.
just a scout
11-24-19, 04:59
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-man-28-surrenders-after-7-hour-standoff-with-police
Here’s this.
The other thread? Wow. My head hurts after trying to read some of that.
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Business_Casual
11-24-19, 06:40
I’m concerned that we are seeing the next stage in gun control rolled out. The first stage was “reasonable restrictions” and “common sense” laws. Ow we see the events in restricted states continue, which the anti-gun groups will use as justification for confiscation. Beto and Hillary aren’t joking when they say that sort of thing publicly.
A few things:
-I think the guy who did the standoff is a loser
-All things considered this was handled well as it did not result in loss of life
-I’m thinking it was over his wife more than a magazine
-Barfcom proves yet again that they are nothing but overweight, balding, pathetic Power Bottoms and that they are the cause of more gun control than they care to admit.
On a visceral level, people want to see someone “fight the power” but can we get better people? This guy gives me douche vibes
Anyone believe them? Because I don’t. Glad to hear that people aren’t gonna sit silently and tolerate this crap. :mad:
Actually yeah I do believe them in this case.
Until I hear wifey-poo speak out on behalf of the husband; I will safely assume she has no problem with him being in jail
Lets put some perspective to this bat shit crazy thread.
http://westchester.news12.com/story/41364321/police-putnam-county-standoff-ends-peacefully-after-7-hour-standoff
Outlander Systems
11-24-19, 08:50
https://www.moeguns.com/products/limited-edition-whiskey-warrior-short-sleeve-shirt
Or another perspective is their statists could have upheld their oath and not decided to enact laws violating the 2nd Amendment and due process which lends an air of legitimacy to such claims.
Not really impressed with the domestic violence angle either considering how often that gets abused.
Actually yeah I do believe them in this case.
Until I hear wifey-poo speak out on behalf of the husband; I will safely assume she has no problem with him being in jail
Used to be I’d believe them too. The problem is being a douche isn’t illegal. Douches are literally everywhere. If his wife hates him, leaving is easy-peasy. I literally just helped one move out. Yeah the cops had to be called a couple of times, but no guns were seized, no standoffs ensued and it didn’t take an internet brigade to get them to back off.
There’s policing to keep the peace and policing to create villains. It’s all a matter of perspective, and it’s much easier to control that of you control the messaging. I do agree that we need a better class of martyrs though.
just a scout
11-24-19, 09:06
Just sayin, there’s a wide difference between law enforcement officers and cops.
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Averageman
11-24-19, 09:14
Your life is only as free, fun and prosperous as the person you are married to allows it to be.
just a scout
11-24-19, 09:34
Your life is only as free, fun and prosperous as the person you are married to allows it to be.
THAT is the wisdom nugget of the millennium.
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I simply think that the issue is with the wife and not his guns
I simply think that the issue is with the wife and not his guns
This. There was APPARENTLY an altercation beforehand that involved police.
At this point, it seems he got in trouble for other stuff, then pushed the red flag narrative to get support. I havent seen proof of anything yet, but it seems people were awful quick to jump to conclusions based off some random dudes IG story.
Seems he was at his estranged wife’s house (again, I cannot verify). That changes the optics a bit.
And so it begins....
Won't be the last time this happens.
People are gonna die eventually over this stupid Red Flag shit...One died about a year ago in Maryland.
Guy hears noise at door at zero dark thirty grabs his gun to investigate. He argues with the cops there to steal his belongings and they open fire, he is dead because a family member of his lied to get the red flag started.
Outlander Systems
11-24-19, 11:48
Daily reminder that they hate us for our Freedoms.
One died about a year ago in Maryland.
Guy hears noise at door at zero dark thirty grabs his gun to investigate. He argues with the cops there to steal his belongings and they open fire, he is dead because a family member of his lied to get the red flag started.
ramairthree
11-24-19, 11:50
As I posted at the start of the red flag stuff,
There are already means to deal with unsafe people.
This is going to be abused so bad and so widespread this shit will turn Winston white.
danattyfatty
11-24-19, 11:55
One died about a year ago in Maryland.
Guy hears noise at door at zero dark thirty grabs his gun to investigate. He argues with the cops there to steal his belongings and they open fire, he is dead because a family member of his lied to get the red flag started.
Convenient that you left out that when informed of the seizure, he grabbed his gun in front of the officers, which led to a struggle, and then the shooting. I guarantee he’d 100% be alive to fight this in court and probably get his guns back, had he not chosen to go the route of tussling with police over a gun.
Also, what proof do you have that the family lied about anything?
I’m not saying that red flag laws aren’t bullshit, because they are. What I’m saying is, we, as 2A enthusiasts need to not peddle in 3rd hand info and immediately hitch our wagons to people and situations that we know nothing about. We need to be better that.
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Convenient that you left out that when informed of the seizure, he grabbed his gun in front of the officers, which led to a struggle, and then the shooting. I guarantee he’d 100% be alive to fight this in court and probably get his guns back, had he not chosen to go the route of tussling with police over a gun.
Also, what proof do you have that the family lied about anything?
I’m not saying that red flag laws aren’t bullshit, because they are. What I’m saying is, we, as 2A enthusiasts need to not peddle in 3rd hand info and immediately hitch our wagons to people and situations that we know nothing about. We need to be better that.
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When do anti-2nd Amendment advocates ever paint firearms owners in a positive light that would justify hitching our wagon to anyone ensnared?
danattyfatty
11-24-19, 12:44
When do anti-2nd Amendment advocates ever paint firearms owners in a positive light that would justify hitching our wagon to anyone ensnared?
Why does it even have to be about the 2nd Amendment? How about all the lovely news coverage of politics that we’ve had over the past two decades? The media’s gonna media. Do we not have advocates? We do. They just happen to suck pretty bad.
Anyway, that’s all beside the point. No one here has come forward with any first hand knowledge about anything.
Should people be skeptical of the government? Sure! Should people be skeptical of a guy’s claims that is actively barricading himself from police? Sure! When are initial reports of anything completely trustworthy? Virtually never.
Answer this. What if LE’s info release ended up completely factual? That this is a domestic issue, there was an active warrant for the guy, stemming from those issues and any gun stuff is just incidental to all of this. Militia getting all kitted up and heading over looks pretty foolish then, doesn’t it?
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Why does it even have to be about the 2nd Amendment? How about all the lovely news coverage of politics that we’ve had over the past two decades? The media’s gonna media. Do we not have advocates? We do. They just happen to suck pretty bad.
Anyway, that’s all beside the point. No one here has come forward with any first hand knowledge about anything.
Should people be skeptical of the government? Sure! Should people be skeptical of a guy’s claims that is actively barricading himself from police? Sure! When are initial reports of anything completely trustworthy? Virtually never.
Answer this. What if LE’s info release ended up completely factual? That this is a domestic issue, there was an active warrant for the guy, stemming from those issues and any gun stuff is just incidental to all of this. Militia getting all kitted up and heading over looks pretty foolish then, doesn’t it?
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Being wrong does tend to make someone look foolish. Or at least that is the case for groups lacking a PR department and/or connections.
Now,
"When do anti-2nd Amendment advocates ever paint firearms owners in a positive light that would justify hitching our wagon to anyone ensnared?"
Or are you simply saying that will never be the case and no one should be supported by other citizens?
And why do you think media/.gov coverage being less than accurate/truthful only goes back 2 decades?
Convenient that you left out that when informed of the seizure, he grabbed his gun in front of the officers, which led to a struggle, and then the shooting. I guarantee he’d 100% be alive to fight this in court and probably get his guns back, had he not chosen to go the route of tussling with police over a gun.
Also, what proof do you have that the family lied about anything?
I’m not saying that red flag laws aren’t bullshit, because they are. What I’m saying is, we, as 2A enthusiasts need to not peddle in 3rd hand info and immediately hitch our wagons to people and situations that we know nothing about. We need to be better that.
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Well there is the fact that it should’ve played out in a courtroom before the police ever came to his home for the guns. :(
danattyfatty
11-24-19, 13:28
Or are you simply saying that will never be the case and no one should be supported by other citizens?
And why do you think media/.gov coverage being less than accurate/truthful only goes back 2 decades?
1) it unfortunately probably never will be the case. How’s the NRA doing these days? Who has stepped up while they’re having their troubles? 2AF has the legal aspect covered, but more would be great; they can’t fight every infringement out there by themselves. Where’s GOA?
Of course law abiding citizens deserve to be supported by others and of course they deserve due process. That being said, where’s the wife? Shouldn’t she be by his side? He’s allegedly been buddy f*cked by one service member blabbing to the cops. Where are his other friends? Dontcha think they’d be raising a stink if this was complete over the line misconduct? You don’t think a journalist somewhere isn’t jonesing for a legit police abuse case that they can sink their teeth into?
2) I only used “the past two decades” because it’s been beyond egregious, and it’s a recent example.
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danattyfatty
11-24-19, 13:30
Well there is the fact that it should’ve played out in a courtroom before the police ever came to his home for the guns. :(
I wholeheartedly agree. We all know this: the individual is the weapon. Where there is a will, there’s a way.
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platoonDaddy
11-24-19, 13:48
The gun grabbers just don't understand the shit they are stirring up.
A resistance movement is boiling up in Virginia, where Democrats rode a platform on gun control to historic victories in state elections earlier this month. The uprising is fueled by a deep cultural gulf between rural red areas that had long wielded power in Virginia and the urban and suburban communities that now dominate. Guns are the focus. Behind that, there is a sense that a way of life is being cast aside.
In the past two weeks, county governments from the central Piedmont to the Appalachian Southwest — Charlotte, Campbell, Carroll, Appomattox, Patrick, Dinwiddie, Pittsylvania, Lee and Giles — have approved resolutions that defy Richmond to come take their guns.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-virginia-and-elsewhere-gun-supporters-prepare-to-defy-new-laws/ar-BBXdIYd
EDIT: forgot to add, friend I shoot with said counties in Northern Virginia are talking about taking power away from the elected sheriff and give to political beholding police cheifs.
1) it unfortunately probably never will be the case. How’s the NRA doing these days? Who has stepped up while they’re having their troubles? 2AF has the legal aspect covered, but more would be great; they can’t fight every infringement out there by themselves. Where’s GOA?
Of course law abiding citizens deserve to be supported by others and of course they deserve due process. That being said, where’s the wife? Shouldn’t she be by his side? He’s allegedly been buddy f*cked by one service member blabbing to the cops. Where are his other friends? Dontcha think they’d be raising a stink if this was complete over the line misconduct? You don’t think a journalist somewhere isn’t jonesing for a legit police abuse case that they can sink their teeth into?
2) I only used “the past two decades” because it’s been beyond egregious, and it’s a recent example.
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NRA has supported anti 2nd Amendment propositions since it's inception.
Considering GOA claims to not support any anti-2nd Amendment initiatives, the average conservative/gop gun owner dislikes them intensely.
Sounds like the marriage was not doing too well so expecting the opposing spouse to pipe up in defense is unlikely no matter the facts.
Very few journalists are interested in legit police abuse cases and are as likely as not to provide cover for duds, particularly when the abuse has anti-gun components.
Goes back much further than 2 decades with Americans of Japanese ancestry being placed in concentration camps, given the full media/.gov hatchet job, and without due process in the 1940's as just one example.
Convenient that you left out that when informed of the seizure, he grabbed his gun in front of the officers, which led to a struggle, and then the shooting. I guarantee he’d 100% be alive to fight this in court and probably get his guns back, had he not chosen to go the route of tussling with police over a gun.
Also, what proof do you have that the family lied about anything?
I’m not saying that red flag laws aren’t bullshit, because they are. What I’m saying is, we, as 2A enthusiasts need to not peddle in 3rd hand info and immediately hitch our wagons to people and situations that we know nothing about. We need to be better that.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThe article I read said the family member lied because they were concerned with guns being in the house since his niece recently moved out in.
Who gives a **** if he grabbed a gun in his living room to prevent a group of armed thieves from injuring his family (keep in mind the cops picked the time frame to show up when the guy was sleeping).
When you have done nothing wrong are woke up at zero dark thirty by a group of armed schmucks claiming to be a cops saying they are there to take your possessions, you must be the type to take their word for it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-officers-serving-red-flag-gun-removal-order-fatally-shoot-armed-man/
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive2.cgi?read=111169
There is a "more" link at the bottom of this page that contains the part of the story that said the family member lied, It isn't coming up now on my phone for some reason.
ETA: Ask yourself why couldn't this have been done during normal hours when people are thinking?
The investigation team can't interview the dead guy so of course it's going to be his fault.
Another article
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/30567-law-abiding-gun-owner-killed-during-red-flag-confiscation-raid
Well there is the fact that it should’ve played out in a courtroom before the police ever came to his home for the guns. :(
Bigly facts.
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Here’s my thing.
To an extent I get the PC sorta but the rest was kinda larpy.
I think this will be the new ghetto swarm where some idjit will get on the Internet and shout “THE LAWS IS RED FLAGGING ME!” to get armed dudes to turn out and folks will get killed over dumb shit.
Oof
For your information, Alexander Booth was a Specialist in Company F, 102nd Infantry Regiment, 186th Brigade Support Battalion, Connecticut National Guard. He returned home from Afghanistan in November 2010. This is a picture of Alex with his girlfriend and her parents. His unit was attached to the Vermont National Guard 86th Infantry Brigade Combat Team:
https://i.imgur.com/BtDRpfa.jpg
I’m not besmirching his military service.
My point was:
Plate Carrier: lotsa jumpy cops in the world with M4s. Okay I understand.
Camo jacket: lol but why though? They know where you are. What message are you trying to send.
I’ll ignore the knife and empty mag holders because maybe he just tossed it on. But did he really have to throw on the camo?
The camo makes him look like “Wish a MFer would.
That’s my point
ETA if he wore a Hawaiian shirt instead I would take him more seriously
My takeaway is douche or no douche, domestic violence or gun grab, people are watching and apparently more than a few are ready to call BS and light up the phones and internet (which forces the powers that be to behave under scrutiny) and even a few are ready to actually dance.
Will suck if this is a douche crying wolf because fewer people will step up next time. But you better believe law enforcement will take notice and we just became sorta a "protected class", a status we haven't enjoyed in a long, long time. Also everyone just got a "sneak peek" of what the beginning of a "take yo shit" film might look like.
So call this guy a douche if you like (especially if it's proven to be the case) and call arfcommers a bunch of wannabe commandos if you like, but the fact remains they got involved on some level to help a guy they didn't know very much about...just in case.
Also the first people to suffer under red flags and gun grabs will always be guys on the margins where there won't be obvious public sympathy, that is what they are banking on. Kind of like how Larry Flynt was always at the front of first amendment issues, everyone would prefer it to be a well respected author, but it usually turns out to be a guy like Larry Flynt.
I wholeheartedly agree. We all know this: the individual is the weapon. Where there is a will, there’s a way.
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With some folks, they know that if they take your guns, even if just for "the time being" you are now defenseless and won't be able to resist when they come for more later.
LE should know that and disarming a law abiding individual can be a dangerous game to play. Bullshit "pre crime" laws are going to get people killed on both sides.
I’m not besmirching his military service.
My point was:
Plate Carrier: lotsa jumpy cops in the world with M4s. Okay I understand.
Camo jacket: lol but why though? They know where you are. What message are you trying to send.
I’ll ignore the knife and empty mag holders because maybe he just tossed it on. But did he really have to throw on the camo?
The camo makes him look like “Wish a MFer would.
That’s my point
ETA if he wore a Hawaiian shirt instead I would take him more seriously
Conditioned response?
Conditioned response?
While drinking liquor?
Convenient that you left out that when informed of the seizure, he grabbed his gun in front of the officers, which led to a struggle, and then the shooting. I guarantee he’d 100% be alive to fight this in court and probably get his guns back, had he not chosen to go the route of tussling with police over a gun.
Why is it our side is always supposed to play by their rules with the hassle and bullshit they set?
Actually yeah I do believe them in this case.
Until I hear wifey-poo speak out on behalf of the husband; I will safely assume she has no problem with him being in jail
Well, here's the actual truth of the matter; apparently there's no-one that can be believed here.
PTSD? Well of course what wild-eyed gun-toting vet DOESN'T have that and "mental health issues"?
Domestic violence? Sure mate. And I guess next they'll find ten gigs of kiddie porn on his computer. What does DV even mean? Because, if you've been paying attention to current social shit, the definition of DV is all the perspective of the accuser... I've seen some people beat themselves up to "prove" DV...
They could have merely had a heated argument, and she claims DV to get him evicted for revenge. Words are violence these days after all...
I'm not saying he DIDN'T... merely that without pictures/medical proof I'm not keen on taking any chick's word for that these days, let alone with other issues like the alleged Red Flag shit in play.
Which... ALSO apparently nobody can entirely prove RF cause one way or another.
All I have is the unsubstantiated word of both sides, and since NOBODY can be trusted to tell the truth right out, then none of it would have mattered anyway by the time the shooting was over... brilliant.
If that ain't a microcosm of the country today... :rolleyes:
...One thing that stands out is how many people reportedly kitted up and headed his way in support.
How quickly people forget the Bundy standoffs...
Except we're several years down the road from that, and the "statement" that was supposed to have made back then... well apparently those in power have forgotten too. Now things are worse then they were then and you have people even more vocal about pushing retarding social/economic shit AND also stealing everyone's guns in the process. If the last couple election results weren't clue enough, the country is split about 50/50 right now on the major issues, and on top of that we are all *done* with dealing with each other. There's nothing left to argue or compromise over.
Why are people suddenly surprised folks are ready to drop hammers over stuff like this? Frankly this "boogaloo" should probably have kicked off back in the 90's, but we got a couple "safety-valve" presidencies. But the laws have been going nonstop for years and nothing has been done to stop or overturn them, and the leftists grow ever more bold and numerous. We've been watching the downfall of other countries in the realm of people getting railroaded and prosecuted over dumb social shit because it's "the law", and it seems to rapidly be taking hold here. People on this side of the aisle have been talking for years about what personal or general event is going to be their "line in the sand". And we're all quite fond of tossing out the term "silent majority" when it's time to vote or the leftists are mobbing in support of their people or ideals.
Well.... here's your silent majority...
Action meet reaction.
Personally, I think whoever headed out were idiots for doing so, so completely uniformed, but then we go back to my above comment...in light of current events, by who's information should action be taken?
Should they believe the "good veteran" guy who says, or is portrayed as, having the Popo after them over blatantly unconstitutional laws, the PD saying the wife says it was a DV issue, or the news running the usual "wild eyed vet with PTSD and mental health" issues?
In the current year, it's kind of easy on face value to make a choice with that sort of info being all one has to go off...
FFS even Fox's headline is inflammatory and vague as f***... I'd expect to see that shit on CNN... :rolleyes:
As to the overall situation and the whole "if this is what's going to kick shit off why can't we get better people"...
Well I've been hearing that line for years now. I think that comment one aristocratic type made pre-ww1 about the whole thing being kicked of not by some grand event but "some damn fool thing in Europe" is apt for the current year. Everyone wants a noble white knight martyr to poster-child their revolution. Well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OKHAzr-riQ
"This ain't that kind of movie..."
You know what....
I’m on board now.
Still not clear just what happened, but this was useful
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/11/standoff-ends-peacefully-with-instagramer-whiskey_warrior_556/
...The police officer said he heard what he thought was a gunshot and called for backup. It was later determined that no guns were involved in the standoff...
Mmhmm...making my point for me.
So call this guy a douche if you like (especially if it's proven to be the case) and call arfcommers a bunch of wannabe commandos if you like, but the fact remains they got involved on some level to help a guy they didn't know very much about...just in case.
they got involved on some level to help a guy they didn't know very much about...just in case. That is almost always going to be a recipe for disaster.
While drinking liquor?
All the more reason to go to default program?
I'm not saying it was a good idea, certainly not suggesting any kind of well thought out plan...but probably falling back on what he was trained to do when everything is going to shit.
I swear to god I've seen guys grab their keys while they are getting ready to go investigate "that noise."
Plate Carrier:
ETA if he wore a Hawaiian shirt instead I would take him more seriously
My favorite picture of myself is one a buddy took while I was screwing around, pretending to clear a structure with a plate carrier over a Hawaiian shirt with a rabbit fur hat and a M16A1 ducky. Like 4 years ago. Definitely not to be taken seriously;I look like the village idiot.
they got involved on some level to help a guy they didn't know very much about...just in case. That is almost always going to be a recipe for disaster.
So let me ask you this, if the story involved another civil right...lets say people mistakenly detaining somebody they thought was victimizing a black guy wearing a soldiers uniform...and then when it gets straightened out everyone learns it was just "drunk buddy" of the black guy wearing a soldiers uniform.
Would you advocate for the people who intervened "just in case" even though they completely misread the situation but given the history of abuse they simply weren't gonna stand around and let it happen.
What if nobody cared, nobody called and nobody did anything and WW556 felt all alone with nothing to lose? What if the cops, who already thought there were shots fired arrived thinking it's a PTSD vet with combat experience and nobody really watching? I'm not saying they would have pressed it and the guy would have ended up dead, but I do know sometimes things go too far. And if this had been NYCPD, forget it, suspect dead along with 2 bystanders.
Here’s my thing.
To an extent I get the PC sorta but the rest was kinda larpy.
I think this will be the new ghetto swarm where some idjit will get on the Internet and shout “THE LAWS IS RED FLAGGING ME!” to get armed dudes to turn out and folks will get killed over dumb shit.
This ^
Social media is for teenage girls.
Grown men making potentially life-altering decisions “because Facebook/Twitter/Instagram” takes the prize for poor judgment.
Just blows my mind how mature, adult men still. don’t. get it.
S M F H
If SHTF in my neighborhood someday I really hope folks like some of y’all do not make up the bulk of my neighbors.
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This ^
Social media is for teenage girls.
Grown men making potentially life-altering decisions “because Facebook/Twitter/Instagram” takes the prize for poor judgment.
Just blows my mind how mature, adult men still. don’t. get it.
S M F H
Why? Social media for all its gayness is absolutely pervasive throughout all of modern society. To completely dismiss its relevance let alone invalidate it’s power to disseminate information is flat out ignorant.
It’s a very boomer position to take.
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Not a Boomer.
Try another slur, see if that works.
TheChunkNorris
11-25-19, 02:24
they got involved on some level to help a guy they didn't know very much about...just in case. That is almost always going to be a recipe for disaster.
This.
Though a part of me understands, the logical side of me seethes in anger. Why would one encourage strangers to assist a stranger who is clearly drunk and surrounded by SWAT? That could have ended very badly and honestly some of these IG influencers need to STFU already. I like MrGunsandGear but man... implying or even joking about shooting “traitors” is completely outside the realm of reason and logic. This situation was sketch from the second it all went down. I don’t know the dude personally and IF he does have any mental issues, I hope he gets the help he needs.
danattyfatty
11-25-19, 07:40
Why is it our side is always supposed to play by their rules with the hassle and bullshit they set?
Because we choose to?
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If SHTF in my neighborhood someday I really hope folks like some of y’all do not make up the bulk of my neighbors.
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If I was your neighbor you’d be hearing a LOT of trap music and I’d be hucking Stoli bottles at you while reeeeing but only because I like you
This.
Though a part of me understands, the logical side of me seethes in anger. Why would one encourage strangers to assist a stranger who is clearly drunk and surrounded by SWAT? That could have ended very badly and honestly some of these IG influencers need to STFU already. I like MrGunsandGear but man... implying or even joking about shooting “traitors” is completely outside the realm of reason and logic. This situation was sketch from the second it all went down. I don’t know the dude personally and IF he does have any mental issues, I hope he gets the help he needs.
This is emblematic of the situation we find ourselves in. We have completely out of control governments passing patently unconstitutional laws, where abuse is a feature, not a bug. They're using armed agents to carry out these unconstitutional acts, often under cover of darkness and if possible, information blackouts and using the press as a propaganda arm.
Change the situation from ballot box stuffing to removing constitutional rights due to an "imminent threat" with no crime in evidence and no prior adjudication of mental incompetence, and it's inevitable we're going to have another Battle of Athens. We have some CLEO's stating openly that they will defy these unconstitutional laws, but far more who are willing to disarm America by any means possible. The latter WILL result in armed conflict at some point.
I'm seeing it more everyday on social media, people aren't going to comply. If these LEO's are stupid enough to confront an angry, armed citizenry with the "you will respect my authoritah" mentality, then they're escalating a needless conflict. If they don't want an insurrection, then don't act like the King's Men. It really is that simple. :(
TheChunkNorris
11-25-19, 11:00
This is emblematic of the situation we find ourselves in. We have completely out of control governments passing patently unconstitutional laws, where abuse is a feature, not a bug. They're using armed agents to carry out these unconstitutional acts, often under cover of darkness and if possible, information blackouts and using the press as a propaganda arm.
Change the situation from ballot box stuffing to removing constitutional rights due to an "imminent threat" with no crime in evidence and no prior adjudication of mental incompetence, and it's inevitable we're going to have another Battle of Athens. We have some CLEO's stating openly that they will defy these unconstitutional laws, but far more who are willing to disarm America by any means possible. The latter WILL result in armed conflict at some point.
I'm seeing it more everyday on social media, people aren't going to comply. If these LEO's are stupid enough to confront an angry, armed citizenry with the "you will respect my authoritah" mentality, then they're escalating a needless conflict. If they don't want an insurrection, then don't act like the King's Men. It really is that simple. :(
That was a weird flex but ok. I can already tell by the way you responded that you won’t delve into this particular instance and really see what happened. What happened to the militias that were on their way? All this boogaloo talk over what looks to be a domestic issue really cracks me up.
Averageman
11-25-19, 11:17
My Son and I had a long talk one time concerning Law Enforcement.
The just of it was, avoid contact, they aren't the enemy, but don't invite them in to your life unless it is a matter of life, death or you going to prison if this goes sideways, i.e. you've shot someone breaking in to the house.
People call the Cops for some stupid reasons, but if they come to your house on a domestic violence call and you're drunk, even if you made the call and you were the guy getting assaulted, chances are you're drunk ass is going to jail.
If stuff goes really sideways and there is a firearm, or the threat of a firearm, you stand a pretty good chance of getting shot.
Keep your business to yourself, avoid crazy women and don't do much to attract unwanted attention. Your life will be a lot easier.
This is one of those cases, it just kept snow balling until all control and common sense were lost.
richdkim77
11-25-19, 12:45
This.
Though a part of me understands, the logical side of me seethes in anger. Why would one encourage strangers to assist a stranger who is clearly drunk and surrounded by SWAT? That could have ended very badly and honestly some of these IG influencers need to STFU already. I like MrGunsandGear but man... implying or even joking about shooting “traitors” is completely outside the realm of reason and logic. This situation was sketch from the second it all went down. I don’t know the dude personally and IF he does have any mental issues, I hope he gets the help he needs.
Mrgunsandgear can get ****ed. I guess when he's not peddling Chinesium Raptors or posting affiliate links, he's an expert on shooting traitors.
That was a weird flex but ok. I can already tell by the way you responded that you won’t delve into this particular instance and really see what happened. What happened to the militias that were on their way? All this boogaloo talk over what looks to be a domestic issue really cracks me up.
We may disagree, but there's no reason for you to be rude about it. I am very much looking forward to an AAR that cites facts and evidence, not just "he said, they said...". Just the other day I admitted how wrong I was on the Sondland testimony, because I was wrong. If I'm wrong here I'll admit that too. For the record, I haven't said it was or wasn't a domestic. I haven't said he's innocent or guilty of anything. I haven't said whether he should or shouldn't have had his firearms confiscated (if he did or had any to begin with). All I've said is I don't trust the press release put out by the agency, and don't trust them to tell the truth if doing so would put them in a harsh light.
To put it bluntly, you don't have a clue as to what this situation truly was or wasn't, because you weren't there. None of us know and that includes you. The authorities in NY didn't have to put themselves in this position. They did it by choice. They deserve to be under strict scrutiny until they prove themselves.
I don't see how that's a "weird flex" or that I somehow don't want to know what really happened. :confused:
Yeah Mrgunsnshill is free to kiss my ass.
If you’re reading feel free to pucker up.
The LAST thing we need is a buncha wannabe do-gooders polluting a potential crisis scene with their bullshit, lame ass PSA builds and multicam.
Know who uses that tactic? PEOPLE IN THE GHETTO
“Oh GIIIRRLL YOU BETTER GET DOWN HERE THEYS LOCKING UP RAY RAY. BRING ERRYBODY”
That’s literally you Plouffedaddy. And you can kiss my ass as a direct result.
That is by far the EASIEST way for someone to get unnecessarily killed be it law enforcement, the suspect, or an innocent uninvolved party.
Signs are strongly pointing to this guy having some domestic issues that he was likely not handling properly or appropriately and looking even more and more like it had jack all to do with guns.
All this boogaloo stuff is a meme. A JOKE. It’s literally what zombies were 8 or 9 years ago.
But there are some dumbasses who will take it too far and eventually it will end in tragedy. I mean I’m all for being prepared for whatever be it unprecedented civil unrest but at the same time DONT BE THE CIVIL UNREST.
Shutting down a local PD with Internet crap is not a good thing.
If this guy was done wrong (and I don’t think he was) it will come out.
He showed his ass on livestream, kinda cried wolf, and now complete strangers, totally uninvolved with what was going on behind the walls of his house are proclaiming to know the truth.
BS like this is how you get the gun control you are trying to avoid.
I mean “Redcoats”? Really? Are ya sure?
I liked Travis Haley’s hot take on this and especially his well reasoned statement why he doesn’t get political and why he doesn’t get involved in people’s personal affairs.
I can't keep up with this story. Does this mean it was all BS that 50 +/- armed members of a patriot rapid response team at a cemetery staging area were not arrested?
titsonritz
11-25-19, 14:19
Dude came off like a loon IMO.
Dude came off like a loon IMO.
+1, seemed like a drunk dude having a bit of a breakdown and broadcasting it for the world to see. I cringed.
Outlander Systems
11-25-19, 15:51
Would it be in poor taste to drop Boogaloo memes in this thread?
Would it be in poor taste to drop Boogaloo memes in this thread?
No. No it wouldn’t
Why? Social media for all its gayness is absolutely pervasive throughout all of modern society. To completely dismiss its relevance let alone invalidate it’s power to disseminate information is flat out ignorant.
It’s a very boomer position to take.
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Not to disagree with his point completely but we need to understand to some extent the internet and social media is the new television, newspaper, leaflet, guy on a horse riding around town yelling updates about the British.
The constant in all of those is how much you trust the source in that particular medium and to what extent are you willing to get involved.
Nightvisionary
11-25-19, 17:01
Convenient that you left out that when informed of the seizure, he grabbed his gun in front of the officers, which led to a struggle, and then the shooting. I guarantee he’d 100% be alive to fight this in court and probably get his guns back, had he not chosen to go the route of tussling with police over a gun.
Also, what proof do you have that the family lied about anything?
I’m not saying that red flag laws aren’t bullshit, because they are. What I’m saying is, we, as 2A enthusiasts need to not peddle in 3rd hand info and immediately hitch our wagons to people and situations that we know nothing about. We need to be better that.
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What exactly is a 2A enthusiast? Is that like a football, stamp collecting, or photography enthusiast? What are you enthusiastic about?
What exactly is a 2A enthusiast? Is that like a football, stamp collecting, or photography enthusiast? What are you enthusiastic about?
It's like a first amendment enthusiast. You know somebody who is really excited about free speech / free expression and / or somebody who has a staggering amount of porn.
Outlander Systems
11-25-19, 17:32
Obviously you haven’t read the Bill of Hobbies.
What exactly is a 2A enthusiast? Is that like a football, stamp collecting, or photography enthusiast? What are you enthusiastic about?
I read Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
If SHTF in my neighborhood someday I really hope folks like some of y’all do not make up the bulk of my neighbors.
Well, yeah, if you talk to your neighbors the way you 'talk' to some of us.
If the SHTF for real, probably the ones you want are the ones whose egos (self-image) aren't leading them by the nose.
I read Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
Talk about traitors. Mr Gunsn'Gear should start with that traitor Bill Watterson who quit drawing Calvin and Hobbes because he was tired of it all.
I'm pretty sure I have most every Calvin and Hobbes book published, as well as near all of the Doonesbury collection.
Hey 26......
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Voodoochild
11-25-19, 20:07
Keep this civil or I will lock it and people will be sent to the tree of woe!!
Keep this civil or I will lock it and people will be sent to the tree of woe!!
FWIW I was referencing an esoteric Christian film to 26Inf who is a friend because we like the same books.
The movie is Second Glance 1992 and I saw it in parochial school. I really liked it.
TheChunkNorris
11-25-19, 20:29
What exactly is a 2A enthusiast? Is that like a football, stamp collecting, or photography enthusiast? What are you enthusiastic about?
The modern Molan Labe crowd. Same guys who walk around saying they’re “2 percenters” because they own a gun and post vids of their larping.
We may disagree, but there's no reason for you to be rude about it. I am very much looking forward to an AAR that cites facts and evidence, not just "he said, they said...". Just the other day I admitted how wrong I was on the Sondland testimony, because I was wrong. If I'm wrong here I'll admit that too. For the record, I haven't said it was or wasn't a domestic. I haven't said he's innocent or guilty of anything. I haven't said whether he should or shouldn't have had his firearms confiscated (if he did or had any to begin with). All I've said is I don't trust the press release put out by the agency, and don't trust them to tell the truth if doing so would put them in a harsh light.
To put it bluntly, you don't have a clue as to what this situation truly was or wasn't, because you weren't there. None of us know and that includes you. The authorities in NY didn't have to put themselves in this position. They did it by choice. They deserve to be under strict scrutiny until they prove themselves.
I don't see how that's a "weird flex" or that I somehow don't want to know what really happened. :confused:
Not sure how I was being rude and the weird flex reference was aimed simply at the boogalo talk which is incredibly funny to me. I’m not looking to change your mind and there’s enough info on the dude that predates this fiasco to prove he’s the least credible in all of this.
Putnam County Firearms Owners Association posted this yesterday..
We just got the following information about last night's standoff (11/23/19) in Mahopac from a reputable Police source. It is our understanding that this is what occurred:
Alexander Booth is reported to be a mentally disturbed man. His WIFE and daughter had an ORDER OF PROTECTION against him because they feared for their safety. His wife and daughter were living at a different location, NOT in his house. Somehow Mr Booth found out where they were staying, and reportedly while intoxicated, forcibly broke into the safe house. (It was NOT Booth's House) That's apparently why Mr Booth was charged with burglary. Mr Booth reportedly VIOLATED the order of protection that his wife and daughter had against him.
This was NOT a 2A issue.
Some people, possibly anti-2A provocateurs or well meaning fools who jumped the gun, were inciting our people to take action that would damage the credibility of our organization.
So many people from around the country were calling that they seriously disrupted the 911 EMERGENCY SYSTEM. If someone was having a medical emergency such as a heart attack or your house was on fire or a criminal was invading a citizens home, people could NOT contact emergency services for life saving help.
Those that were involved in spreading this dangerous MISINFORMATION should be ashamed of themselves and must be more careful in the future. If you believe someone's 2A rights are being violated in Putnam County, please message us BEFORE posting on our page or in our group so we may fact check it first! Any questionable posts will be removed immediately until we assertain the facts.
ramairthree
11-25-19, 21:05
Keep this civil or I will lock it and people will be sent to the tree of woe!!
If we know the riddle of steel can we get out of the tree of woe?
Putnam County Firearms Owners Association posted this yesterday..
So there are those that will be disappointed that it wasn't a conspiracy by the local constabulary or a shining example of police abuse of power. Most of the time the news is wrong, anyone that's been in it knows that. Moving on.............
TheChunkNorris
11-25-19, 21:50
So there are those that will be disappointed that it wasn't a conspiracy by the local constabulary or a shining example of police abuse of power. Most of the time the news is wrong, anyone that's been in it knows that. Moving on.............
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So there are those that will be disappointed that it wasn't a conspiracy by the local constabulary or a shining example of police abuse of power. Most of the time the news is wrong, anyone that's been in it knows that. Moving on.............
Honestly, I'm pretty ok with the outcome. PD crew didn't go too far, no one on PD crew got hurt. Facebook subject seems to have gone too far but didn't hurt anyone, thankfully. If he had hurt his wife or kid I'd be at zero sympathy. Boog crew didn't go too far and no one on Boog crew got hurt and they didn't hurt anyone else.
So all in all a pretty good dry run where everybody (except for "the guy"), gets a mostly passing grade and exercised decent restraint given the bad information they were acting on.
Putnam County Firearms Owners Association posted this yesterday..
Is there a link to this post by that association?
What's that quote.... something like "people have always been this stupid; the internet just makes it easier for us to see them?"
Lots of social media people coming off a morons after this event.
Is there a link to this post by that association?
Can't link to Facebook if you don't have Facebook. If you have Facebook you can look them up easily.
Can't link to Facebook if you don't have Facebook. If you have Facebook you can look them up easily.
Thanks, had my eldest son look up their Facebook page and the quote. I am not on Facebook.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
11-26-19, 07:17
Let's hitch our 2A horse to a DV/Mentally Disturbed/Alcoholic/Liar hitch. That'll for sure have no long lasting repercussions.
Mr.GunsNGear posted about the dumbest thing I've ever seen on social media when he advocated for people to go kill cops to rescue this nut without ANY idea of the facts. Then he posted a video backtracking, in a way, without admitting fault for his sheer stupidity.
Hey, but by all means, go start your revolution on the back of a wife-beater without any knowledge of the facts. You know, the founding fathers made a few attempts at diplomacy and fact gathering before they started shooting "redcoats".
To call cops who were nabbing a drunk wife beater redcoats stinks of sheer retardation.
ETA:
Some of the responses in the thread read like Arfcom on its worst day. Congrats gents.
Just read Firefly's post from a page or two back. Couldn't agree more. The response to this could have easily gotten SO many killed for no legitimate/lawful/moral reason. That would be real cool wouldn't it 3 percenters?
Mr.GunsNGear posted about the dumbest thing I've ever seen on social media when he advocated for people to go kill cops to rescue this nut without ANY idea of the facts. Then he posted a video backtracking, in a way, without admitting fault for his sheer stupidity.
Hey, but by all means, go start your revolution on the back of a wife-beater without any knowledge of the facts. You know, the founding fathers made a few attempts at diplomacy and fact gathering before they started shooting "redcoats".
To call cops who were nabbing a drunk wife beater redcoats stinks of sheer retardation.
Agreed - it's a semi-common occurrence for people with some semblance of success in an area (firearms / gear review in this case) to think that translates into success in another area (2A issues spokesman).
He just waded in there like he was the man and looks like an idiot, then that painful 6 minutes of mental gymnastics... PAINFUL BRO...
Red Flag laws suck, by all means. But acting like it's the start of something big when some PTSD wife beater is getting his due from the cops is STUPID.
I'd like to hear him explain how he'd tell the good cops from the traitors and the red coats (his words) that night after showing up all kitted out.
Yeah, we'll never hear that.
TheChunkNorris
11-26-19, 08:25
Agreed - it's a semi-common occurrence for people with some semblance of success in an area (firearms / gear review in this case) to think that translates into success in another area (2A issues spokesman).
He just waded in there like he was the man and looks like an idiot, then that painful 6 minutes of mental gymnastics... PAINFUL BRO...
Red Flag laws suck, by all means. But acting like it's the start of something big when some PTSD wife beater is getting his due from the cops is STUPID.
I'd like to hear him explain how he'd tell the good cops from the traitors and the red coats (his words) that night after showing up all kitted out.
Yeah, we'll never hear that.
Funny how no one is talking about his “there will be blood” comment as well.
Funny how no one is talking about his “there will be blood” comment as well.
His smartest COA would be to STFU for a couple weeks, then just start dropping his normal firearm / gear reviews and NEVER MENTION THIS AGAIN.
Because this is why we liked him (firearm / gear reviews).
Never go full retard.
Not sure how I was being rude and the weird flex reference was aimed simply at the boogalo talk which is incredibly funny to me. I’m not looking to change your mind and there’s enough info on the dude that predates this fiasco to prove he’s the least credible in all of this.
Then it should be incredibly easy for the agencies involved to prove, right?
I'm good to call it over with the local gun club press release. I highly doubt they'd be taking the word of an anti-2A LEO on the matter. But transparency still matters when the topic is so sensitive and abuse of authority is a distinct possibility.
Again, I neither supported nor condemned the subject or LE agencies, I simply wanted more information than unverifiable Instagram posts, by either side. :(
Not defending anyone here but as a point of clarification the “there will be blood” comment was made by this whiskey 556 character on Instagram. I’ve seen mrgunsngear’s responses and I’m not sure he said that and if he did maybe it was a quote?
As someone who spends probably more time than I should on Instagram I saw this deal unfold pretty much real time. I don’t follow the main characters account but some of the libertarian ancap accounts that I follow do and they were reposting a bunch of his stuff to “get the word out”.
As I followed this event I couldn’t help but cringe a bit at what I was seeing both from the originator and from the other accounts that seemed to be blindly following and calling for action, and that brings us to one of the many problems with social media and the so called “2nd amendment community “. The problem is that many of these people who are so called influencers or content creators follow and promote each other as a way to grow their own brand. This guy mentions that one on YouTube or Instagram and that one follows back and it’s all how you conduct the business of using social media to grow your brand. The catch is how well do these guys know each other? Do they personally know who they are “vouching” for When they say check out so and so he’s a good guy, do they know that for sure or should they be saying I like the content they put out and so will you? I think that these content creators and YouTube types really need to do better about who they endorse and why. If they did they wouldn’t have a bunch off egg on their faces after a situation like this one.
The next thing is this whole bugaloo business. I’ll be the first to admit I find it amusing and honestly some of the accounts I follow on the gram are because of funny content they post about the boogaloo. There have been times where I have even agreed that an armed rebellion of some type might be warranted, but in the end I realize that going down that road would be catastrophic for us and the next couple of generations behind us. The thing is that there is a growing number of people who not only don’t see it as the joke it is supposed to be but they actually want it to happen,
And this incident proves that. Guys were literally kitting up and rolling out to confront fellow Americans without all the facts. Imagine if someone would’ve been killed? Would that have won anybody to our side? And for what? What turns out to be a guy with a domestic violence issue? Who terrorized his wife and child while drunk? And all the while you have content creators and Instagram influencers still trying to justify their actions instead of coming out and saying “hey I was wrong, maybe we need to chill with all this civil war boogaloo stuff for a bit”.
There may come a time for an insurrection, I pray it never does, but until then we aren’t going to win this thing by going after fellow Americans with threats of violence when threats of violence are the very reason they were able to get these laws passed to begin with. All we do is play into the stereo type. Spend some time with people on the fence about assault rifle and high capacity mags and let me know how the sovereign citizen act plays out for you. I’m a second amendment absolutist and I know many if not all here are the same, but we’re not trying to reach our own. We’re trying to reach that guy who maybe didn’t grow up around guns, who maybe doesn’t understand that there is no correlation between violent crime and gun control. Rushing out armed to police (who in the eyes of most Americans are the good guys) because some guy on the gram said so ain’t doing our cause any favors, and the people in the position to say stuff like that need to be saying it instead of calling people redcoats and traitors.
Not defending anyone here but as a point of clarification the “there will be blood” comment was made by this whiskey 556 character on Instagram. I’ve seen mrgunsngear’s responses and I’m not sure he said that and if he did maybe it was a quote?
As someone who spends probably more time than I should on Instagram I saw this deal unfold pretty much real time. I don’t follow the main characters account but some of the libertarian ancap accounts that I follow do and they were reposting a bunch of his stuff to “get the word out”.
As I followed this event I couldn’t help but cringe a bit at what I was seeing both from the originator and from the other accounts that seemed to be blindly following and calling for action, and that brings us to one of the many problems with social media and the so called “2nd amendment community “. The problem is that many of these people who are so called influencers or content creators follow and promote each other as a way to grow their own brand. This guy mentions that one on YouTube or Instagram and that one follows back and it’s all how you conduct the business of using social media to grow your brand. The catch is how well do these guys know each other? Do they personally know who they are “vouching” for When they say check out so and so he’s a good guy, do they know that for sure or should they be saying I like the content they put out and so will you? I think that these content creators and YouTube types really need to do better about who they endorse and why. If they did they wouldn’t have a bunch off egg on their faces after a situation like this one.
The next thing is this whole bugaloo business. I’ll be the first to admit I find it amusing and honestly some of the accounts I follow on the gram are because of funny content they post about the boogaloo. There have been times where I have even agreed that an armed rebellion of some type might be warranted, but in the end I realize that going down that road would be catastrophic for us and the next couple of generations behind us. The thing is that there is a growing number of people who not only don’t see it as the joke it is supposed to be but they actually want it to happen,
And this incident proves that. Guys were literally kitting up and rolling out to confront fellow Americans without all the facts. Imagine if someone would’ve been killed? Would that have won anybody to our side? And for what? What turns out to be a guy with a domestic violence issue? Who terrorized his wife and child while drunk? And all the while you have content creators and Instagram influencers still trying to justify their actions instead of coming out and saying “hey I was wrong, maybe we need to chill with all this civil war boogaloo stuff for a bit”.
There may come a time for an insurrection, I pray it never does, but until then we aren’t going to win this thing by going after fellow Americans with threats of violence when threats of violence are the very reason they were able to get these laws passed to begin with. All we do is play into the stereo type. Spend some time with people on the fence about assault rifle and high capacity mags and let me know how the sovereign citizen act plays out for you. I’m a second amendment absolutist and I know many if not all here are the same, but we’re not trying to reach our own. We’re trying to reach that guy who maybe didn’t grow up around guns, who maybe doesn’t understand that there is no correlation between violent crime and gun control. Rushing out armed to police (who in the eyes of most Americans are the good guys) because some guy on the gram said so ain’t doing our cause any favors, and the people in the position to say stuff like that need to be saying it instead of calling people redcoats and traitors.
We've seen all this before. After Ruby Ridge and Waco, militias popped up all over the place because people knew the government was over the line. All it took was McVeigh to discredit the entire movement, despite the Michigan Militia literally calling the FBI on him.
It will happen again at some point. In response to government overreach with these anti-2nd Amendment laws, someone will eventually do something stupid and innocent lives will be lost. That's why actual facts matter and the quicker they come out the better.
Or politicians could just stop trying to move the line on civil and constitutional rights, but that's apparently too much to ask. :(
Boogaloo is 2019’s Zombies meme.
I highly doubt we will see some far out civil war
People like to cite these other countries but those countries have these upsets pretty regularly
WHY WE WON’T (hopefully) HAVE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR:
1. A lot of people aren’t happy with the government, but they cannot agree on why they are unhappy. The Left wants socialism, the Right wants a non-sustainable Libertarian structure. The gun people(who I openly loathe) want to open carry 249s at the Apple store. The Shooters (y’all always my nickels, much love) just want to be left alone and not have no BS extra. The dopers want to blaze up weed in public. The LGBTwhatever want to marry kids and use bathrooms not meant for them instead of being more mature with their lifestyle choice and want people to accept it despite most people being hetero. The gibs bunch just want free gibs and don’t wanna work. The people who work just want to not be taxed out the ass.
It lacks the unity of the classic North v. South
2. A lot of people are the silent majority who just want to live a life. The soccer moms and Joe Sixpacks may feel sorry or admiration for whatever cause of the week but they aren’t really wanting to go tote ruck and rifle over it. They just want to be left alone.
3. Things aren’t THAT bad.
Not really. You’ll know when things are that bad when Waffle House closes. If Waffle House closes. Things are that bad. There is an actual thing behind this. Waffle Houses have to stay open barring any real emergency. When they are closing doors. Go the other way.
4. “We” (Whoever “We” are) have not yet exhausted our political and diplomatic measures.
Lots of elections, campaigning and representing to happen before we devolve into total anarchy
5. While big tech is suppressing your speech; the government has not yet overtly done so.
YouTube and instagram is a business. Still lots of racist and politically incorrect memes and songs on bitchute. No, they don’t have an app and it’s a hassle but it’s still there. Twitter can cut you off but dammit man you can still get your own site or find a message board. You can say whatever naughty things (provided it doesn’t meet the litmus of threats or illegal actions). It’s just not as easy.
It’s still legal to say “Trump is an asshole” and “AOC is hot but a bitch. (But still hot)”
6. A lot of these gun laws can and likely will be reversed at the state level.
So far nothing Federal has been passed. There is still hope if enough people turn out.
7. You still have food.
As long as there is food. Nobody is waging war. Nuff said
8. Balkanization is non feasible
Statehood isn’t what it used to be. Most states aren’t that homogeneous anymore. Any organized faction would be too small amid the chaos to really have any efficacy except survival
9. There are no figureheads.
Okay. You and the bois have your nods, 416s, cans, PCs, matching Hawaiian shirts, CUCVs, Technicals, and a good supply of Rip Its and Nuggies.
Okay.....who is your overall figurehead? Who is your “face”? Obviously not Trump because lol he’s already President. Alex Jones? That short gay boy who has the Internet show? RuPaul?
Who?! The Afghans had tribal honchos. The Serbs had Arkan. The Syrians have somebody whomever is left after getting shot up by SF or Spetsnaz. Name ONE influential American who can legitimately be called a figure for any of these disagreeable sides.
Who is the boogaloo John Connor?
10. We are too interconnected to be truly divided.
If you can go to McDonalds and if the paperboy still gets you the paper. Chances are they aren’t going to shoot you nor you them.
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER:
If we DID boogle. We we would only end up reuniting to fend off the inevitable foreign response from the UN.
America has too much money in too many places for the gravy train to stop. Those people will intervene.
Brothers may fight but when the kid down the street comes and gets involved he gets double teamed by the quarreling brothers.
No Threeper douche, black gang member, nor Cholo wants some dude from Africa or China or god forbid Europe bossing him around.
We may be passively aggressively racist amongst ourselves but we don’t really mean it. Add in dudes waving a Chicom flag or blue helmets. And it will get effing BIBLICAL.
So.... it’s a meme.
Have radio gear, have a gun, have the toys. But have it because you want it. Not because of any actual civil war
Add in dudes waving a Chicom flag or blue helmets. And it will get effing BIBLICAL.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F5wWf7GR2nhgamhRnEuA%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1
Adrenaline_6
11-26-19, 12:38
Add in dudes waving a Chicom flag or blue helmets. And it will get effing BIBLICAL.
Like crucifixions?
An update reminded me
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?212885-5-LEOs-shot-in-TX
Would be nice if over reactions(real or purely theatrical) such as that incident, red flag laws, anti 2nd Amendment laws, and so forth got the vilification they deserve. Would likely have a significant reduction on incidents similar to what inspired this thread.
Like crucifixions?
You know the answer. Don’t pretend you don’t.
You know my feelings on Crucifixions
Adrenaline_6
11-26-19, 13:05
You know the answer. Don’t pretend you don’t.
You know my feelings on Crucifixions
I know. Just wanted to make sure. :D
Mr. Goodtimes
11-26-19, 16:02
It's all about perspective; you have the media and police, NY police in particular (including NYSP) which are known to be about as biased and corrupt as they come, but, then you also have some real nut cases involved in the "boogaloo" movement who are looking for any reason there is to hate the government and start a war. The government, the left, the media, cops etc aren’t the only ones who can selectively pick and choose what goes into a narrative to mold a story that favors their cause. It’s called propaganda and both sides do it and it’s toxic.
If we're going to fight a civil war, the information we use to form the foundation of our cause needs to be rock solid, factual, not twisted, manipulated and molded until it fits what we're trying to push. We can’t pick and choose what conveniently first our story while omitting what hurts it, and the face(s) of this revolution need to be reasonable, successful and well regarded people; not alcoholics who live stream incoherent videos of them selves crying wolf after they get into a domestic with their significant other. If you just read the comments or if you were following them live during this whole debacle you can see just how many people are blindly begging for boogaloo, willing to associate with the first person that offers them any excuse to act out based solely on emotion; and that's terrifying. The government isn't always wrong and the "patriot/boogaloo" movement or whatever you want to call it isn't always right.
It's easy to hide behind a screen name or a meme account but a lot of people on forums, meme pages etc are not at all what or who they appear to be; and there are certainly a lot of moms basement dwelling losers and genuinely weird people involved in the "boogaloo" movement. I’ve been on firearms related Internet forums for years and over those years I’ve discovered, mostly by chance or on accident that they aren't anything remotely close to what they portray, and other times they're way more bad ass than they appear, and a few are who they appear to be.
Just because somebody is a vet, or because they’re part of our movement or because they look like a cool person on the surface, they fit a certain profile that we deem "good" does not make them actually good. In fact, If there is one thing that I have learned from being in public service, it's that alcoholism, domestic violence, financial problems and instability in general is more rampant in the first responder and military community than anywhere else; being in public service only means that you were or are in public service, it is absolutely not an indicator that you're a "good person." Between my time in the military and now currently as a firefighter I can personally attest that while there are TONS of phenomenal people in these industries, there's also no shortage of scrumbags. I work with some genuinely great people and I also work with some genuine scumbags. I know some genuinely great cops, and I know some genuine scumbag cops, and I served with some genuine scumbags in the Navy. I mean hell, “PTSD”, alcoholism, marital and domestic problems, financial problems etc run so rampant in the first responder community that the internet is literally saturated with memes on the topic. How many memes have you seen about doctors knocking up strippers, buying used v6 Mustangs at 30% interest and beating their wives?
The way this whole thing unfolded from the get go wreaked of some alcohol and ptsd fueled cry for attention:
1. He was live streaming the entire drunken barely coherent thing on his "D" list IG meme page, which, is about as gay as a bag of dicks. If I was getting red flagged and I needed help, I wouldn’t be calling out to a bunch of random people on the internet who follow my meme page, I’d be calling real friends; because I want the best people who show up; solid, cerebral, mature people with a functioning brain that know me, know who I am and are all reputable people them selves. I don’t want a bunch of emotional bro vets and basement dwelling three placentas to show up with their DPMS/Anderson Cleetus specials and grunt style shirts on their Harley Davidsons, who at the end of the day are ultimately just going to stand there with their fatceps flopping in the wind attempting to look like hard asses. No, I want real bros to show up, guys that are willing to actually willing to fight for something they believe in and can articulate an appropriate, educated argument as to why.
2. If you’re being red flagged for having 30 round magazines and you’re willing to throw down, why are you wearing a plate carrier with no magazines at all in it and no weapon to be found other than some rusty shiv? How about instead you live stream that the cops are about to search your home for contraband that you don’t possess based on information that was heresay at best and dubiously obtained from a third party source which clearly has a vendetta against you.
I’m not showing up to potentially throw my life away by at best becoming a felon and at worst dying for some "D" list meme page user who I know nothing about as a person. I’m glad to see people are upset enough to show up but I’m also concerned to see how many people are willing to make a life changing uninformed decision based on information they obtained on IG meme pages about a person they ultimately no nothing about historically.
I also understand that women lie and good people can get painted in a bad picture at no fault of their own. If we we're already balls deep in the boogaloo then sure, I’d be willing to go help someone out without a more detailed analysis and history, but, were not balls deep in boogaloo, we're pre boogaloo, and the opening shots fired need to be squeaky clean. Once the boogaloo is actually on, I’m a lot more willing to go off information that’s not so solid as at that point were already all wanted men anyway so I’m a little more willing to act on what I’ve got right now and sort the rest of the facts out later.
If and when this country delves into revolution, the movement needs to have a solid base and a solid following. The quickest way to ruin a righteous movement is to have it tied to a bunch of dip shits.
TheChunkNorris
11-26-19, 16:36
Not defending anyone here but as a point of clarification the “there will be blood” comment was made by this whiskey 556 character on Instagram. I’ve seen mrgunsngear’s responses and I’m not sure he said that and if he did maybe it was a quote?
His smartest COA would be to STFU for a couple weeks, then just start dropping his normal firearm / gear reviews and NEVER MENTION THIS AGAIN.
Because this is why we liked him (firearm / gear reviews).
Never go full retard.
I should’ve been more descriptive, I was talking about Whiskey.
I should’ve been more descriptive, I was talking about Whiskey.
Copy, but it doesn't change what I'd recommend for MrGunsNGear to do.
TheChunkNorris
11-26-19, 19:28
Copy, but it doesn't change what I'd recommend for MrGunsNGear to do.
I stopped following him. Lately he does tests on things that either don’t care to buy or not in the market for.
I had a thought.
Would it be worth another Federal AWB for another decade to separate the wheat from the chaff?
I feel a lot of the “gun people” (whom I despise) have gotten too arrogant and fat. The ass showing over the NY wifebeater had me seriously thinking...
Are these the people that I want to associate with? Tourists who wave snake flags but have never done anything in their sorry lives.
Guns have become the new Harley Davidsons.
I think MrGunsngear really pushed me into the soured side.
Would it be worth it to vote Democrat across the board to accelerate the gun crackdown?
I think so. I think the RINOs empower the fat and pampered gun crowd.
I think only through more darkness that the strong will emerge. I feel like it would be worth the suffering to see who are the loudmouths and who are those who are willing to be responsible and give us the worthy and hard me we need.
Too many low common denominator Republicans. Their only offering is “We aren’t Democrats”. Not good enough. Under Obama we had people fighting. Now, fat and lazy.
I’m sure you understand.
This whole fiasco has opened my eyes
I’m voting straight ticket Democrat in 2020.
Once the pressure is on, then we will get the strong people we need. Hundreds of internet faggots clamored behind a drunk dumbass.
Not good enough for me. Total No Go.
I want real men with real principles.
This will be our theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ltZmI5LQw
Wake the F up, Samurai. We have a political landscape to burn.
I had a thought.
Would it be worth another Federal AWB for another decade to separate the wheat from the chaff?
I feel a lot of the “gun people” (whom I despise) have gotten too arrogant and fat. The ass showing over the NY wifebeater had me seriously thinking...
Are these the people that I want to associate with? Tourists who wave snake flags but have never done anything in their sorry lives.
Guns have become the new Harley Davidsons.
I think MrGunsngear really pushed me into the soured side.
Would it be worth it to vote Democrat across the board to accelerate the gun crackdown?
I think so. I think the RINOs empower the fat and pampered gun crowd.
I think only through more darkness that the strong will emerge. I feel like it would be worth the suffering to see who are the loudmouths and who are those who are willing to be responsible and give us the worthy and hard me we need.
Too many low common denominator Republicans. Their only offering is “We aren’t Democrats”. Not good enough. Under Obama we had people fighting. Now, fat and lazy.
I’m sure you understand.
This whole fiasco has opened my eyes
I’m voting straight ticket Democrat in 2020.
Once the pressure is on, then we will get the strong people we need. Hundreds of internet faggots clamored behind a drunk dumbass.
Not good enough for me. Total No Go.
I want real men with real principles.
This will be our theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ltZmI5LQw
Wake the F up, Samurai. We have a political landscape to burn.
No.
In fact the Clinton ban is what created this shit. There has always been a questionable contingent, but the Clinton ban created a new popularity for the "check out my new AR with punisher skulls" crowd. Another ban would just send them all into "molon labe" mode where they take pictures of themselves dressed for a LARP boog action.
I know it's hard to imagine how the tard contingent could actually get worse, but trust me...it can.
And then there is the basic opposition to any kind of "infringement", we don't disarm others because dumbshits on Twitter can't responsibly handle freedoms.
I won’t say you don’t have a point.
But the strongest men won’t be from the fringe. They will be from the middle. The everyday person who starts asking questions. The more the larp and Arfcom crowd are allowed to hold this real estate the more it will push us to the point of no return.
Ever see Watchmen?
I now understand Ozymandias’ thoughtpath.
Sacrifice a finger to save a hand. Im sick of cop hating no loads speaking and inhabiting the same podium as I do.
People like that do not speak for me. They never have.
Tear the bandaid now
just a scout
11-26-19, 21:14
I had a thought.
Would it be worth another Federal AWB for another decade to separate the wheat from the chaff?
I feel a lot of the “gun people” (whom I despise) have gotten too arrogant and fat. The ass showing over the NY wifebeater had me seriously thinking...
Are these the people that I want to associate with? Tourists who wave snake flags but have never done anything in their sorry lives.
Guns have become the new Harley Davidsons.
I think MrGunsngear really pushed me into the soured side.
Would it be worth it to vote Democrat across the board to accelerate the gun crackdown?
I think so. I think the RINOs empower the fat and pampered gun crowd.
I think only through more darkness that the strong will emerge. I feel like it would be worth the suffering to see who are the loudmouths and who are those who are willing to be responsible and give us the worthy and hard me we need.
Too many low common denominator Republicans. Their only offering is “We aren’t Democrats”. Not good enough. Under Obama we had people fighting. Now, fat and lazy.
I’m sure you understand.
This whole fiasco has opened my eyes
I’m voting straight ticket Democrat in 2020.
Once the pressure is on, then we will get the strong people we need. Hundreds of internet faggots clamored behind a drunk dumbass.
Not good enough for me. Total No Go.
I want real men with real principles.
This will be our theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ltZmI5LQw
Wake the F up, Samurai. We have a political landscape to burn.
I’ll see you Corona and raise you Haddaway.
https://youtu.be/rFmGxGUaqZc
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MountainRaven
11-26-19, 21:18
[snip]
It's not bad until you're lining the floor of your wife's car with filled sandbags and kevlar to try to protect her from IEDs, while she drives the kids to daycare with an Uzi on the passenger seat, armored couriers start driving MRAPs and trade their kevlar vests and handguns for platecarriers and Mk18s, and your neighbors start bugging you about using HOA fees to pay PMCs to provide neighborhood security because the cops are taking half an hour to show up and have stopped showing up for anything less serious than murder.
It's not bad until you're lining the floor of your wife's car with filled sandbags and kevlar to try to protect her from IEDs, while she drives the kids to daycare with an Uzi on the passenger seat, armored couriers start driving MRAPs and trade their kevlar vests and handguns for platecarriers and Mk18s, and your neighbors start bugging you about using HOA fees to pay PMCs to provide neighborhood security because the cops are taking half an hour to show up and have stopped showing up for anything less serious than murder.
I have told you not to tell me what “bad” is.
I’m sick of the pussyfooting and having fatasses speaking “for” me. We need a purge.
We won’t get that purge unless we light a fire under some ass with Democrats. Sick of the over sensitive “Three Percenter” BS that contaminates gun discussion.
We need to get rid of “gun people” so we can make shooting great again. They are too comfortable and too outspoken.
A gun fag seriously told people to go QRF for a drunk wifebeater and it almost happened.
Is that who you want behind you?
Not me. Put them MFers IN FRONT of me so I can better manage my workspace and have less BS to worry about.
I’m ready to push the needle. Too many milquetoast Republicans and “gun people”. We need to go back to the fundamentals.
We need to create a zero sum environment where people will be worthwhile instead of their fall back being “er um I’m not a Democrat and um I uh support your right to hunt”
Nah nah nah. We need HARDCORE Democrats put in and all incumbent Republicans GONE. Then middle America will be like “Nah.....We need our guns. Good guns. Keep the punisher skulls and arfcomfags though. Nobody needs that”
I literally feel like I’m in Far Cry 5.
Mr. Goodtimes
11-26-19, 22:41
I have told you not to tell me what “bad” is.
I’m sick of the pussyfooting and having fatasses speaking “for” me. We need a purge.
We won’t get that purge unless we light a fire under some ass with Democrats. Sick of the over sensitive “Three Percenter” BS that contaminates gun discussion.
We need to get rid of “gun people” so we can make shooting great again. They are too comfortable and too outspoken.
A gun fag seriously told people to go QRF for a drunk wifebeater and it almost happened.
Is that who you want behind you?
Not me. Put them MFers IN FRONT of me so I can better manage my workspace and have less BS to worry about.
I’m ready to push the needle. Too many milquetoast Republicans and “gun people”. We need to go back to the fundamentals.
We need to create a zero sum environment where people will be worthwhile instead of their fall back being “er um I’m not a Democrat and um I uh support your right to hunt”
Nah nah nah. We need HARDCORE Democrats put in and all incumbent Republicans GONE. Then middle America will be like “Nah.....We need our guns. Good guns. Keep the punisher skulls and arfcomfags though. Nobody needs that”
I literally feel like I’m in Far Cry 5.
Word.
richdkim77
11-26-19, 22:53
I stopped following him. Lately he does tests on things that either don’t care to buy or not in the market for.
Can't get an affiliate link/code if you don't shill the right items.
I won’t say you don’t have a point.
But the strongest men won’t be from the fringe. They will be from the middle. The everyday person who starts asking questions. The more the larp and Arfcom crowd are allowed to hold this real estate the more it will push us to the point of no return.
Ever see Watchmen?
I now understand Ozymandias’ thoughtpath.
Sacrifice a finger to save a hand. Im sick of cop hating no loads speaking and inhabiting the same podium as I do.
People like that do not speak for me. They never have.
Tear the bandaid now
Well if there was an easy answer we'd have already done it. Remember the mulsim attacks on the Little Rock recruiting center? We'd have all preferred for the military, national guard or even the police to establish a security presence and when that didn't happen everyone was then impressed that some "average joe" types showed up to say "not in my town buddy" and backed it up with some open carry.
And if they were all 5.11 types who were working a coordinated and cohesive plan in cooperation with the recruiting center involving lots of communication between themselves and local law enforcement agencies it would have been glorious.
Instead we got LARPers wearing actual "tactical kilts" and other Ren Fair nonsense and displaying a disjointed set of personal gear and weaponry that made airsofters shake their heads in amazement. It became a carnival sideshow that only produced two positive things, 1. Nobody actually got hurt in that Tapco Cluster**** and 2. It demonstrated how badly some things need real world defense solutions because all we have right now is the Timmy crew and they may or may not have actually made anything safer or more secure.
I guess.
Speaking of 5.11 I like my old digital camo TDUs which are totally NOT marpat.
Stiff as a board at first but after 10 years of washing super comfy.
Ugh on the rest though.
Probably not time nor place but I am bipolar about 5.11. Their stuff I like, I really like. The stuff I hate, I really really hate
TheChunkNorris
11-27-19, 04:05
Can't get an affiliate link/code if you don't shill the right items.
[emoji23] I’ll still pass.
MountainRaven
11-27-19, 09:19
I have told you not to tell me what “bad” is.
While I quoted you, it wasn't necessarily aimed at you; and while I enjoy your posts, I cannot take them seriously: Everything you post comes across as a shitpost. Or an effort to troll.
While I quoted you, it wasn't necessarily aimed at you; and while I enjoy your posts, I cannot take them seriously: Everything you post comes across as a shitpost. Or an effort to troll.
And yet I am most sincere.
I actually hate gun people and find it ironic that they are fire eaters for a “boogaloo” yet they would be the first to go. Merely winning Gun Pokemon doesn’t mean you will succeed or even survive.
Most of the legit people don’t really broadcast that “oh yeah this is Ft. Sumter right here”. They have taken the bad joke seriously.
The only people to survive are the people who do this everyday. Not everyone is SOCOM.
The hoodrats will inherit the earth. They don’t care. They live in shit. They don’t mind.
And the police, like it or not, are the buffer. No matter how cucked or incompetent they have let themselves become.
I seriously propose pushing the needle. Accelerating it. I hate the fringe on both ends.
I care about guns as much as I care about chainsaws. I want the right one that does what it needs to do. But I won’t be making it my life’s ambition.
And you, yourself, lost me when you cited an UZI as a sincere piece of equipment.
The people on your “side” aren’t on your side. It’s like the NRA but worse. It’s not even grounded in anything real anymore.
There was a time when it was kinda underground. Guys with SP1s or CAR-15s trying to stay in shape. Clean, lube, store. Live a life.
But now you have YouTube he-thots actively encouraging obstruction of the police over DomVios.
It’s become a greeting card. A new wave Grateful Dead for the newly fat and middle aged. A great sll singing all dancing Paul McCartney concert.
Nobody SHOOTS. Nobody cares about the Zen or the self improvement.
Guns are the new hair metal.
This is now the Nelson era. Nelson single handedly killed it.
But I’m forward thinking. I’m ready for Grunge.
We need a renaissance
grizzlyblake
11-27-19, 10:01
It seems like the whole current gun culture is made up of this Boogaloo LARPing and IG meme posting. I despise all of it.
Really at this point I feel like I need to own a gun in case these idiots actually do start something and all of a sudden there are a bunch of nothing-to-lose nut cases running around with WASRs and ski masks shooting it out with the police.
Literally that's a bigger concern of mine than any self/home defense, foreign invasion, FEMA camps, or any of the "traditional" reasons to own guns.
It seems like the whole current gun culture is made up of this Boogaloo LARPing and IG meme posting. I despise all of it.
Really at this point I feel like I need to own a gun in case these idiots actually do start something and all of a sudden there are a bunch of nothing-to-lose nut cases running around with WASRs and ski masks shooting it out with the police.
Literally that's a bigger concern of mine than any self/home defense, foreign invasion, FEMA camps, or any of the "traditional" reasons to own guns.
Very, very much the same over here, my man.
We need this broadcasted
I guess.
Speaking of 5.11 I like my old digital camo TDUs which are totally NOT marpat.
Stiff as a board at first but after 10 years of washing super comfy.
Ugh on the rest though.
Probably not time nor place but I am bipolar about 5.11. Their stuff I like, I really like. The stuff I hate, I really really hate
So I guess I didn't mean 5.11 specifically, but khakis, polos, etc. and not dressed like an extra from a Mad Max film.
Boogaloo is 2019’s Zombies meme.
I highly doubt we will see some far out civil war
People like to cite these other countries but those countries have these upsets pretty regularly
WHY WE WON’T (hopefully) HAVE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR:
1. A lot of people aren’t happy with the government, but they cannot agree on why they are unhappy. The Left wants socialism, the Right wants a non-sustainable Libertarian structure. The gun people(who I openly loathe) want to open carry 249s at the Apple store. The Shooters (y’all always my nickels, much love) just want to be left alone and not have no BS extra. The dopers want to blaze up weed in public. The LGBTwhatever want to marry kids and use bathrooms not meant for them instead of being more mature with their lifestyle choice and want people to accept it despite most people being hetero. The gibs bunch just want free gibs and don’t wanna work. The people who work just want to not be taxed out the ass.
It lacks the unity of the classic North v. South
2. A lot of people are the silent majority who just want to live a life. The soccer moms and Joe Sixpacks may feel sorry or admiration for whatever cause of the week but they aren’t really wanting to go tote ruck and rifle over it. They just want to be left alone.
3. Things aren’t THAT bad.
Not really. You’ll know when things are that bad when Waffle House closes. If Waffle House closes. Things are that bad. There is an actual thing behind this. Waffle Houses have to stay open barring any real emergency. When they are closing doors. Go the other way.
4. “We” (Whoever “We” are) have not yet exhausted our political and diplomatic measures.
Lots of elections, campaigning and representing to happen before we devolve into total anarchy
5. While big tech is suppressing your speech; the government has not yet overtly done so.
YouTube and instagram is a business. Still lots of racist and politically incorrect memes and songs on bitchute. No, they don’t have an app and it’s a hassle but it’s still there. Twitter can cut you off but dammit man you can still get your own site or find a message board. You can say whatever naughty things (provided it doesn’t meet the litmus of threats or illegal actions). It’s just not as easy.
It’s still legal to say “Trump is an asshole” and “AOC is hot but a bitch. (But still hot)”
6. A lot of these gun laws can and likely will be reversed at the state level.
So far nothing Federal has been passed. There is still hope if enough people turn out.
7. You still have food.
As long as there is food. Nobody is waging war. Nuff said
8. Balkanization is non feasible
Statehood isn’t what it used to be. Most states aren’t that homogeneous anymore. Any organized faction would be too small amid the chaos to really have any efficacy except survival
9. There are no figureheads.
Okay. You and the bois have your nods, 416s, cans, PCs, matching Hawaiian shirts, CUCVs, Technicals, and a good supply of Rip Its and Nuggies.
Okay.....who is your overall figurehead? Who is your “face”? Obviously not Trump because lol he’s already President. Alex Jones? That short gay boy who has the Internet show? RuPaul?
Who?! The Afghans had tribal honchos. The Serbs had Arkan. The Syrians have somebody whomever is left after getting shot up by SF or Spetsnaz. Name ONE influential American who can legitimately be called a figure for any of these disagreeable sides.
Who is the boogaloo John Connor?
10. We are too interconnected to be truly divided.
If you can go to McDonalds and if the paperboy still gets you the paper. Chances are they aren’t going to shoot you nor you them.
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER:
If we DID boogle. We we would only end up reuniting to fend off the inevitable foreign response from the UN.
America has too much money in too many places for the gravy train to stop. Those people will intervene.
Brothers may fight but when the kid down the street comes and gets involved he gets double teamed by the quarreling brothers.
No Threeper douche, black gang member, nor Cholo wants some dude from Africa or China or god forbid Europe bossing him around.
We may be passively aggressively racist amongst ourselves but we don’t really mean it. Add in dudes waving a Chicom flag or blue helmets. And it will get effing BIBLICAL.
So.... it’s a meme.
Have radio gear, have a gun, have the toys. But have it because you want it. Not because of any actual civil war
Tour de force ^
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