New Winchester 9mm Army round

[sdacbob]

Saw some of this at Academy yesterday?
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/4/23/m1152-m1153-the-army-s-new-9-mm-luger-loads/

[lsllc]

I wonder when we will see specific ammunition for the new sub-guns.


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[SeriousStudent]

Sigh. Winchester currently has some of the shittiest quality control around. More great news for the Joes actually carrying pistols.

Why didn't they just order a metric butt-load of Federal 147-grain hST and call it good? But I guess no one would have made Colonel that way.

[lsllc]

The contract for the pistol required an ammo contract. That’s what Sig selected.


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[sinister]

The new hollow point ammo shoots and functions the M17 and M18 better than the new and old ball.

[SeriousStudent]

The new hollow point ammo shoots and functions the M17 and M18 better than the new and old ball.

I am really, really glad to hear that. Winchester ammo has really worried me of late. If they have a good handle on QC for these loads, that's great news for the folks using it.

[ggammell]

I guess we will see plenty of xm1152 and xm1153 soon then.

[bigedp51]

The new military 9mm Winchester ammunition will be made to milspec quality standards and not to stock holder standards.

Having said that I bought 500 once fired military Winchester 9mm cases and thought the brass was of good quality.

[Uni-Vibe]

"M1152 with the 115-gr. bullet was at 1326 f.p.s."

That's +P+ velocity, e.g. Federal 9BPLE or the Winchester or Remington equivalent. Zowie!

I wonder if M882 / Q4318 is going away? Hope not. That's what I run in my "kinetic platforms."

And it is indeed true that once fired Q4318 brass is good stuff. I've reloaded it. I don't bother with it any longer, because you have to swage out the primer pocket crimp.

[Joe Mamma]

"M1152 with the 115-gr. bullet was at 1326 f.p.s."

That's +P+ velocity, e.g. Federal 9BPLE or the Winchester or Remington equivalent. Zowie!


I am highly skeptical that anyone could get that velocity with M1152 from a standard pistol length barrel (even though the article says it was from a 4.7 inch barrel).

Joe Mamma

[ST911]

I am highly skeptical that anyone could get that velocity with M1152 from a standard pistol length barrel (even though the article says it was from a 4.7 inch barrel).

I'm not. That's neither difficult nor unprecedented.

[opngrnd]

I wonder if we will see an epidemic of broken pistols in a few years like we do with the M9. Every regional and national event I attend has M9s break their locking blocks. I know a guy who has broken 3, though that is probably a freak string of events for the individual.

[mack7.62]

Not unreasonable velocities

"In our tests in 1985, XM882 propelled a 124-gr. round-nose FMJ out of the 5" barrel of an M9 at an average of 1273 f.p.s., delivering 446 ft.-lbs. of energy at 15 ft. Using an Oehler Model 43 and firing the new ammunition out of a 4.7"-barreled P320-M17, M1152 with the 115-gr. bullet was at 1326 f.p.s. and 449 ft.-lbs. of energy, while the M1153 clocked 962 f.p.s. with 302 ft.-lbs., both at 15 ft."

So a 124 FMJ at 1273, a 115 FMJ at 1326 or a 147 HP at 962.

[tacticaldesire]

So I'm confused.

I thought they had a contract with sig for ammo. Is winchester making it too?

[mack7.62]

I am not sure Sig has the capacity to fulfill a military contract, likely they are subbing at least some out to Winchester.

[Steve Shannon]

So I'm confused.

I thought they had a contract with sig for ammo. Is winchester making it too?

Paragraphs 2-4 of the article answer this.


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[CAMagnussen]

I wonder why the Army did not stick with the 147gr hardball they had been using, the stuff that was basically loaded to +P. I bought a slew of it a year or so ago from Brownells, in original Army GI sealed cans, etc.

[mack7.62]

You know just dawned on me that by going with a 115 grain they are throwing all pretense of sticking to the NATO standard out the window. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

[ramairthree]

Maybe they have a range in some weird combination of the highest elevation with the least dense air but very hot like a mountain on the equator or something.