View Full Version : Anyone familiar with Propertarianism?
Mauser KAR98K
12-04-19, 16:02
A friend of mine shot me a message with a guys video and podcast about Propertarianism (John Mark). First video I watched was about a new U.S. constitution. Sorry if I'm lacking on details, but some if it comes off as borderline fascist.
One in particular is if a communication/social media gets too large that it starts censoring things from people, that if they don't stop the Government will seize and nationalize the code of the social media application.
https://propertarianism.com/
Outlander Systems
12-04-19, 16:04
I’m all for it. Censorship is absolutely abhorrent.
https://imgur.com/O13dgrJ.jpg
Mauser KAR98K
12-04-19, 16:08
Government: we furnish the means by which we suffer.
-Thomas Paine.
Outlander Systems
12-04-19, 16:30
Just did a quick listen to the section on finance.
Yeah, this is the way forward.
StovePipe_Jammer
12-04-19, 16:34
He puts way to much emphasis on race for my liking. I've seen a few of his other videos and while at times he does make really good points, it ends up coming off as a "white vs them" conclusion.
Mauser KAR98K
12-04-19, 16:42
He puts way to much emphasis on race for my liking. I've seen a few of his other videos and while at times he does make really good points, it ends up coming off as a "white vs them" conclusion.
I've felt the same way. The beauty of America is that all races are welcome, but they have to assimilate to our constitution.
I’m all for it. Censorship is absolutely abhorrent.
https://imgur.com/O13dgrJ.jpg
The rest of that Murray Rothbard quote:
https://www.mcfloogle.com/2017/10/27/unleash-the-cops-interpreting-murray-rothbard/
https://mises.org/wire/privatize-police
BoringGuy45
12-04-19, 17:13
This seems to be on the extreme opposite of the spectrum from communism; it's basically just going as far right as one can go. That's not really a good thing either. Entirely privatized economies tend to fail and become oppressive in much the same way as socialist economies. I'm also especially opposed to this philosophy's opposition to religion. It's interesting that they've taken up the concept of promoting morality from the standpoint of social constructionism (that is, the idea that good and evil, or even true and false, is not absolute and does not exist beyond society's general agreement to adhere to such principles). Social constructionism is usually a leftist viewpoint.
If this is a gateway to the Cyberpunk future I was promised as a kid with private soldiers for hire, For Hire Trauma Teams of EMTs with body armor and assault rifles, literal wars between corporations, and augmented reality implants that make your eyes into EOTechs then I’m all for it.
Also hoverboards yo.
I've felt the same way. The beauty of America is that all races are welcome, but they have to assimilate to our constitution.
America used to be called the great melting pot. People of all races, backgrounds and nationalities came here to assimilate and become Americans. But what we have today, thanks to the mental disorder called liberalism and a subversive MSM, is the exact opposite.
BoringGuy45
12-04-19, 21:50
That site pissed me off. All the elitist language reeks of ivory tower scholar bullshit. You want us to join your "revolution"? Explain in layman's terms what your end goal is, how you plan to get there, and lay off the highfalutin mumbo jumbo. I'm not thinking "Wow! THAT'LL save us!" when you spend ten single spaced pages explaining how you're going to defeat one -ism that you don't like by engaging in debate to promote your own various -isms.
I'm getting a very Neo-Nazi vibe from their point of view too. That, and a pro-slavery one as well. They seem to imply that the strong should enslave the weak because it's only fair, and it's just the way of nature, so it would be improper to fight it.
Mauser KAR98K
12-04-19, 22:41
That site pissed me off. All the elitist, language reeks of ivory tower scholar bullshit. You want us to join your "revolution"? Explain in layman's terms what your end goal is, how you plan to get there, and lay off the highfalutin mumbo jumbo. I'm not thinking "Wow! THAT'LL save us!" when you spend ten single spaced pages explaining how you're going to defeat one -ism that you don't like by engaging in debate to promote your own various -isms.
I'm getting a very Neo-Nazi vibe from their point of view too. That, and a pro-slavery one as well. They seem to imply that the strong should enslave the weak because it's only fair, and it's just the way of nature, so it would be improper to fight it.
It really reminds me El Deuce's fascism.
That site pissed me off. All the elitist language reeks of ivory tower scholar bullshit. You want us to join your "revolution"? Explain in layman's terms what your end goal is, how you plan to get there, and lay off the highfalutin mumbo jumbo. I'm not thinking "Wow! THAT'LL save us!" when you spend ten single spaced pages explaining how you're going to defeat one -ism that you don't like by engaging in debate to promote your own various -isms.
I'm getting a very Neo-Nazi vibe from their point of view too. That, and a pro-slavery one as well. They seem to imply that the strong should enslave the weak because it's only fair, and it's just the way of nature, so it would be improper to fight it.
Yeah, that "Bio" page was something else...
Yeah, that "Bio" page was something else...
Didn't find the bio page yet, but the oath is way cool:
The Oath of Transcendent Man
A PAGAN(HEATHEN), A CHRISTIAN, AN ARYAN, A WARRIOR, A MAN TRANSCENDENT
I am a Heathen if 1) I accept the laws of nature as binding on all of existence; and 2) if I treat nature as sacred and to be contemplated, protected and improved; and 3) I treat the world as something to transform closer to an Eden in whatever ways I can before I die; and 4) if I deny the existence of a supreme being with dominion over the physical laws, and treat all gods, demigods, heroes, saints, figures of history, and ancestors as characters with whom I may speak to in private contemplation in the hope of gaining wisdom and synchronicity from having done so. And 5) if I participate with others of my society in repetition of oaths, repetition of myths, repetition of festivals, repetition of holidays, and the perpetuation of all of the above to my offspring. And 6) if I leave open that synchronicity appears to exist now and then, and that it may be possible that there is a scientific explanation for it, other than just humans subject to similar stimuli producing similar intuitions and therefore similar ends.
As far as I know this is all that is required of me to be a Heathen.
I am a Christian if I have adopted the teaching of christianity: 1) the eradication of hatred from the human heart. 2) the extension of kinship love to non-kin. 3) the demand for personal acts of charity and personal cost, 4) the extension of exhaustive forgiveness before punishment, enserfment, enslavement, death, or war.
As far as I know, this is all that is required of me to be a Christian.
I am an Aryan if 1) I proudly display my excellences so that others seek to achieve or exceed them; 2) I seek competition to constantly test and improve myself so I do not weaken; 3) I swear to speak no insult and demand it; 4) I speak the truth and demand it; 5) I take nothing not paid for and demand it; 6) I grant sovereignty to my kin and demand it; 7) I insure my people regardless of condition, and demand it; and in doing so leave nothing but voluntary markets of cooperation between sovereign men; and to discipline, enserf, enslave, ostracize or kill those who do otherwise; 8) to not show fear or cowardice, abandon my brothers, or retreat, and 9) to die a good death in the service of my kin, my clan, my tribe and my people.
As far as I know, this is all that is required of me to be an Aryan.
I am a Warrior in that 1) we will prepare for war so perfectly that none dare enter it against us. 2) Once we go to war, we do so with joy, with eagerness, and with passion, and without mercy, without constraint, and without remorse; And 3) before ending war, we shall defeat an enemy completely such that no other dares a condition of our enemy, and the memory of the slaughter lives a hundred generations.
As far as I know, this is all that is required of me to be a Warrior.
As far as I know, if I succeed as a Heathen, as a Christian, as an Aryan, as a Warrior, then I have transcended the animal man, and earned my place among the saints, heroes, demigods, gods, in the memories, histories, and legends of man.
And that is the objective of heroes, demigods, and gods. We leave the rest for ordinary men.
https://propertarianism.com/basic-concepts/the-oath-of-transcendent-man/
Yeah, that "Bio" page was something else...
Found the bio.
Said he lives in Kiev, Ukraine, 'Where he has “… a front row seat to observe the struggle of the Ukrainian people to become a Nation.”
Wonder if the Dems know about him?
CAMagnussen
12-05-19, 05:53
My memory is a bit rusty, but I seem to recall a group in the last century that made a big deal about being "Aryan" and made up a lot of fairy-tales about the so-called "Arayns" ... I don't thing that turned out really well for anyone concerned.
BoringGuy45
12-05-19, 07:47
Didn't find the bio page yet, but the oath is way cool:
I am a Christian if I have adopted the teaching of christianity: 1) the eradication of hatred from the human heart. 2) the extension of kinship love to non-kin. 3) the demand for personal acts of charity and personal cost, 4) the extension of exhaustive forgiveness before punishment, enserfment, enslavement, death, or war.
As far as I know, this is all that is required of me to be a Christian.
https://propertarianism.com/basic-concepts/the-oath-of-transcendent-man/
Except that being a Christian also requires one to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and one can be saved by confessing our sins and believing in Him as savior. Being compassionate and charitable is not "all that is required" to be a Christian.
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