PDA

View Full Version : The world's most adjustable weapon-light mounting system



Valhalla
12-21-19, 01:00
Hot of the heel of our very successful Baldr M-Lok light body, we are proud to introduce our latest addition to illumination mounting - Baldr Pivot body! A joint project with Bobro Engineering, we took their excellent Surefire Pivot Mount and made it better: Lower profile, more reliable, and less weight. Here it is!

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/74c1057f7991b4edb2bc7bdaa94de933/p/i/pivot-nonqd-fade.jpg

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/74c1057f7991b4edb2bc7bdaa94de933/p/i/pivot-qd-sunset.jpg

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/74c1057f7991b4edb2bc7bdaa94de933/w/z/wz6_6608.jpg

And direct link to product page:
https://www.valhallatactical.com/baldr-pivot.html

The Baldr Pivot differs from our Original Baldr "unibody" in that by trading some strength/ruggedness, you can now infinitely adjust the light's position to hug the rail closer than any previous Scout mount can possibly deliver (including the original Bobro Pivot Mount). This is because regardless of how advanced a mount design is, you are always held back by Surefire body's mounting screws and thickness of the screw heads - as illustrated here:

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/valhalla/Body-Compare.jpg

By re-engineering the body itself, we are able to achieve significantly lower profile than ever previously possible, while improving strength through elimination of components (weak links). Here is an example of how much we are able to streamline the gun, to improve weapon handling and reduce snag hazard:

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/valhalla/dbal-front.jpg

Simply loosen the two counter-rotating screws, pivot the body to the perfect angle you desire, and tighten those two screws to lock the body in-place. It will survive moderate to heavy impact without coming loose, and even if you smashed it the body simply shifts to absorb the impact. The light stays on your gun, and remains functional. Similar to the original Baldr, the new Baldr Pivot is fully reversible so you can use it on either side of the weapon, and can be easily adapted to different aiming or sighting devices. We've tested it with different models of DBALs, PEQ-15, NGAL, MAWL, RAID-X, just to name a few.

Finally, here is a chat comparing the strengths and weaknesses between the original Baldr light body, and the new Baldr Pivot body:

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/valhalla/Baldr-OvP.jpg

Comparison footnotes:

1. Strength. Due to it's uni-body design, the original Baldr is practically bomb-proof... however, both are CNC cut from aerospace billet aluminum and both have exceptional strength.

2. Adjustability. The original Baldr also has a wide range of adjustments via using different mount-plates, however the angle can only be adjusted by "steps". Whereas the Baldr Pivot has infinite finetuning capabilities, a clear winner here.

3. Lamps Supported. The original Baldr is available for M300, M600DF, Streamlight HLX, and Nitecore P10GT. Whereas the Baldr Pivot is currently only available for M600DF and compatible LED heads. As time go by this will change but for now the original has a wider compatibility.

4. Ruggedness. This is somewhat subjective, but on the original Baldr, once you torqued down the 2x M-Lok screws, it's aint going to move even under nuclear holocaust. On the other hand, if you really smash the Baldr Pivot, the pivot joint will eventually give and the light will be allowed to rotate. This is not the end of the world but the edge goes to the original baldr.

5. Portability. We are talking about how easy it is to move the light from one gun to another. With the Pivot body, you unbolt it from one gun, loosen the pivot screws, attach-to-next and re-adjust... viola, done. With the original, you may need to get a different mount plate. Plus with the Balda Pivot, you also get the option of purchasing the M-Lok QD version. Therefore, although all can be moved from one M-Lok rail to another, the Baldr Pivot Body is easier to move.

6. Run-time. Because both body accepts the same 18350 batteries, they will have the same run-time against each other. 18350 cells are roughly half the length of common 18650, therefore a significant size reduction can be achieved - you can get 1,500 lumens of output from a package the size of M300 Mini-Scount. But you do give up some run-time; continuously the light can run for 20-30 minutes using a high-quality, modern 18350 cellls. And when used intermittently it will still last all night. Personally we feel the size/weight is worth the trade off in run-time.

7. Installation. With the new Pivot body, installation is super simple... loosen the pivot screws, bolt the body onto your rail of choice, adjust angle to your liking, and just tighten the pivot screws. Whereas on our original body, you may need to switch out several different mount plates to find one that's perfect. So the tweaking process is much faster.

8. Cost. We will be introducing a Baldr Original "starter pack" that includes a complete set of injection-molded mount plates at no additional charge. So the cost of entry on the original will be quite attractive. These polymer mount plates may not be the strongest in the world, but it's enough to get anyone started. Therefore the entry cost is much lower. However, with the Pivot body, you will never need to buy other accessories again... so for long term, the Pivot body would pay for itself.

I hope that gives everyone enough information to get a taste of our new product launch! Please feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer them as quickly as I can!



Valhalla.Tactical

kwelz
12-21-19, 06:34
Very nice.

Any plans to make a 2 cell/18650 model?

SeriousStudent
12-21-19, 11:15
Very nice.

Any plans to make a 2 cell/18650 model?

I'd be really interested in that as well.

ALCOAR
12-21-19, 13:10
That's a very cool design, and great looking product.

I looked at some other products, and that's a very impressive unit that allows you to still run the M600DF head with a much smaller 18350 body.

Biggy
12-21-19, 14:55
With three different Bobro mounts, M-LOK, QD M-LOK and Picatinny that can be used with either the Valhalla light body (for maximum adjustability) or ordered from Bobro to work with a Surefire light body, you have about as much adjustability as one could ask for. Also, as seen in the Pic below, you can use the Bobro Picatinny mount with the Valhalla light body, to mount your light higher, to either reduce or possibly eliminate any shadow or splash off your suppressor. Below is a Vid review of these new swivel mounts. Beginning at the 3:25 minute mark.

https://youtu.be/o5b-F-E0xzc

https://i.imgur.com/BCIUDdBl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n2yn3mql.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x7sTlusl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fBjorWCl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3f68XOOl.jpg

Valhalla
12-21-19, 15:51
Very nice.

Any plans to make a 2 cell/18650 model?

Our plan is to release an "extension" that threads between the light head and the body, so you can switch from 18350 to 18650 (and back) without taking the light off the gun. Plus keep using the same body...

I was actually told several other companies had thought about doing the same, so it's definitely not a new idea... just need to get some machine time available!!



Valhalla Tactical

Valhalla
12-21-19, 15:55
With three different Bobro mounts, M-LOK, QD M-LOK and Picatinny that can be used with either the Valhalla light body (for maximum adjustability) or ordered from Bobro to work with a Surefire light body, you have about as much adjustability as one could ask for.

It's great to see some our products in the wild! Thanks for sharing the photos!!!

For those who wondered, we do offer just the pivot body (without the mount plate) if you already own a Bobro mount and simply want to shave some weight off or make the setup even lower profile. On our product page just select "Body Only" and we'd basically send you this:

https://www.valhallatactical.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/74c1057f7991b4edb2bc7bdaa94de933/p/i/pivot-bodyonly_2.jpg

You will simply reuse all your screws / hardware from your original Bobro pivot mount, and bolt our body straight onto it. =)



Valhalla Tactical

kwelz
12-25-19, 03:17
Our plan is to release an "extension" that threads between the light head and the body, so you can switch from 18350 to 18650 (and back) without taking the light off the gun. Plus keep using the same body...

I was actually told several other companies had thought about doing the same, so it's definitely not a new idea... just need to get some machine time available!!



Valhalla Tactical

I am sold!

Biggy
12-25-19, 11:00
From my experiences as a customer of their's, Vahalla Tactical has had great customer service and very fast shipping. Looking forward to getting their light body extention when it becomes available.

joedirt199
12-28-19, 09:48
Any plans to make a ring mount with similar adjustment for 1" and smaller handheld flashlight styles? I use the dual fuel streamlight handheld flashlights on my rifles and using a proctor light mount. Mounts pretty close to the rail but the adjustability you guys get is better. Would allow more options for lights.

Valhalla
12-29-19, 21:14
Any plans to make a ring mount with similar adjustment for 1" and smaller handheld flashlight styles? I use the dual fuel streamlight handheld flashlights on my rifles and using a proctor light mount. Mounts pretty close to the rail but the adjustability you guys get is better. Would allow more options for lights.

In theory it is entirely possible, however in practice the ring would make the (already somewhat thick) 1" body even thicker... and the key strength of our Baldr system (super low profile mounting) may be lost. Especially when compared to the excellent Proctor mount — the slight benefit you gained may not justify the cost.

In addition, keep in mind we are expecting our a P10GT version for this body to be ready right after Shot Show. Because the P10GT head is MUCH smaller than an HL-X head (while getting nearly identical light output/pattern), you would be able to significantly reduce the rifle's profile at minimal cost. I would highly recommend keeping the HL-X as a handheld (it's a very good handheld), but go with a much smaller / lighter / streamlined setup for the rifle instead. The weight difference is very noticeable. :)



Valhalla Tactical

mig1nc
01-12-20, 07:12
Man, this is great stuff.

Can't wait to see what comes next.

Hox013
01-15-20, 20:25
Anything going to be compatible with streamlight?

Valhalla
01-16-20, 02:32
Anything going to be compatible with streamlight?Not yet, but our original Baldr system has a HLX-compatible body!

Sent from my J9210 using Tapatalk

Labayu
08-22-21, 03:32
Our plan is to release an "extension" that threads between the light head and the body, so you can switch from 18350 to 18650 (and back) without taking the light off the gun. Plus keep using the same body...

I was actually told several other companies had thought about doing the same, so it's definitely not a new idea... just need to get some machine time available!!



Valhalla Tactical

Any progress on this 18650 extension idea since we all got derailed by the CONTROLA VIRUS?

I'm not super happy with my M600DF's wimpy 16,000 candela throw so I'm running a 27,000 candela HLX with a clicky in a cheapo ring type mount because SL pressure pads are consumer grade TRASH.

I'd love to run an HLX head with an SF dual mode tailcap+pressure switch and an 18650 since I can snatch them from my wife's vaping gear where she keeps half a dozen already charged and ready to go 24/7, lol

Please make these extensions for Streamlight HLX heads as well because SF seems completely disinterested in making a weapon light with greater than 20,000 candela.

rockapede
08-30-21, 12:32
Any progress on this 18650 extension idea since we all got derailed by the CONTROLA VIRUS?

I'm not super happy with my M600DF's wimpy 16,000 candela throw so I'm running a 27,000 candela HLX with a clicky in a cheapo ring type mount because SL pressure pads are consumer grade TRASH.

I'd love to run an HLX head with an SF dual mode tailcap+pressure switch and an 18650 since I can snatch them from my wife's vaping gear where she keeps half a dozen already charged and ready to go 24/7, lol

Please make these extensions for Streamlight HLX heads as well because SF seems completely disinterested in making a weapon light with greater than 20,000 candela.

While Arisaka does make an adapter to run SF switches on SL bodies (https://arisakadefense.com/tailcap-adapter-streamlight-protac-railmount-hl-x/), any reason you’re limiting yourself to those two brands? Cloud Defensive, Modlite, and Arisaka themselves (especially now that they do 18650 bodies) all have options that accomplish what you’re looking for better than SF and SL.