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I live in VA and am trying to decide what items may want to be sure to have included in my collection before things become too difficult to get or impossible. I'm happy with my collection just looking to add a few more pieces I may wish I have gotten later down the road. I know everyone has different opinions of what they may want but I'm looking for any opinions. I have most of the basics covered and don't believe revolvers, shotguns (typical) and bolt guns are going away this round. The first thing I'm going to add is the Five Seven Family but beyond that it's just a large caliber suppressor. Again just looking for a suggestions and don't have an unlimited budget but I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
I live in VA and am trying to decide what items may want to be sure to have included in my collection before things become too difficult to get or impossible. I'm happy with my collection just looking to add a few more pieces I may wish I have gotten later down the road. I know everyone has different opinions of what they may want but I'm looking for any opinions. I have most of the basics covered and don't believe revolvers, shotguns (typical) and bolt guns are going away this round. The first thing I'm going to add is the Five Seven Family but beyond that it's just a large caliber suppressor. Again just looking for a suggestions and don't have an unlimited budget but I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
Looks like they're going to be a felony to possess anyway. Ask yourself, if your firearms/magazines/whatever else are a felony to possess, what are you going to do with them? If the answer is hide them in the attic and pretend you don't have them, just save your money
It'll take a while for that to sort out, but if it goes completely south I'll have a primary residence in WV.
Mags for all your rifles if you have different kinds (AR, AK, SCAR, ect) - I would buy at least a 10 pack of pmags (palmetto has daily deals on these for $70). Probably at least 10 Glock mags or whatever handgun you have. 60 round magpul drums?
Get another lower or a few 80%. Previous times it's been mags and lowers. You'll always be able to get parts like barrels and BCGs.
Decide what your line is and prepare accordingly.
5.7 is a toy. This is the time to buy weapons if you are that worried about it.
If your in it for collectors stuff, just buy replicas.
Talking weapons, when I say collection I don't mean antiques. Yes 5.7 is a oddity but something I personally was on the fence about so I don't want to regret not having one.
Forget 5.7. It offers nothing and is far too expensive to shoot. Stock up on Mags and Ammo or hate to say it but consider moving.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-24-20, 17:42
You want to buy an NFA item and wait a year, just to have it potentially banned before you can take ownership? You don't think the ATF will work hand in hand with VA gov?
You need mags, lots and lots of ammo, body armor, helmet, a duplicate of your battle rifle and pistol. Comms, NVGs, lots of batteries, water, a reliable vehicle, and a lawyer on retainer with enough cash to post 10% of a very high bond.
You are about 2 years too late for NFA stuff. You snoozed and lost. Sad but true.
You should have 2-6 solid AR-15s already - Colt, BCM, Sionics, Centurion, you name it. 2 should be decked out with full kit optics, WML, slings, you name it.
You should have 50-100+ AR15 magazines and 5-10K of 5.56 ammo, maybe more.
Similar numbers of reliable centerfire pistols, with 20-30 mags and 5K in ammo for them. Again, at least 2 decked out the way you want them (grips, sights, controls, etc). In late 2014 I was trying the P320 and decided if shit ever goes sideways, Glocks would be better so I have a number of those, parts, mags, etc. For a metal framed gun I have several Beretta 92 series, since they are common and still in service with .MIL, there are tons of parts / mags / etc.
Buy a couple of symbolic 10-round magazines for your guns call it a day.
Download some sample Firearms bill of sales. Fill them out with the name of the politicians that represent you for cash.
I sold all my guns to Dan Helmer at the gun show in Chantilly.
He posted a video on how easy it was. I see a red flag called in on him in the near future.
If you aren't a VCDL member, join. They are our only chance of beating these tyrants in the courts.
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You need mags, lots and lots of ammo, body armor, helmet, a duplicate of your battle rifle and pistol. Comms, NVGs, lots of batteries, water, a reliable vehicle, and a lawyer on retainer with enough cash to post 10% of a very high bond.
This is spot on.
I sold a few things to fund many of the items mentioned in this post and absolutely do not regret it. If you have other firearms you don't shoot and that don't use common parts and ammo, dump them now while the locals are buying up their stuff and instead invest in the essentials mentioned by LS_HD in his post above.
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I would have an extra bolt for every AR I own.
You need mags, lots and lots of ammo, body armor, helmet, a duplicate of your battle rifle and pistol. Comms, NVGs, lots of batteries, water, a reliable vehicle, and a lawyer on retainer with enough cash to post 10% of a very high bond.
^--This.
I'd also add, really good friends to help you out when you need it. And then more ammo, because you can never have enough.
It'll be interesting on what the format is for existing NFA items.
What did you end up with on NVG? Thermal?
vicious_cb
01-24-20, 18:59
How about a boat?
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It'll be interesting on what the format is for existing NFA items.You'll have to turn them in, you can't sell them without going though NFA which will take about 9 months which would be past the July 1 deadline.
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You'll always be able to get parts like barrels and BCGs.
Don't assume anything.
Not all politicians are dumb, far from it. You know there are those among them whose agenda leads to restricting or banning parts. All those democrats in power, what makes you so sure they won't require all barrels and bolts and every receiver upper or lower or otherwise be serialized? CA already showed how to effectively ban using their microstamping requirement. You don't think others are picking up on things like that?
Hell, we already had periods of time where BCG's and LPK's did not exist in the market and that was without any legislation even threatening them
If you think it's important to have get it now
How about a boat?
What purpose does this serve, though?
You'll have to turn them in, you can't sell them without going though NFA which will take about 9 months which would be past the July 1 deadline.
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Lolololol they can try asking for them
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Lolololol they can try asking for them
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUnlike your regular guns the government doesn't know what you have, NFA items are registered and the government should know what items you have.
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Unlike your regular guns the government doesn't know what you have, NFA items are registered and the government should know what items you have.
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I own suppressors and I’m well aware. I stand by my statement however.
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Straight Shooter
01-24-20, 19:56
I wouldn have an extra bolt for every AR I own.
Boy, YOU aint taking NO chances, are you?
Unlike your regular guns the government doesn't know what you have, NFA items are registered and the government should know what items you have.
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Sbrs and silencers can be kept out if the state without paperwork (not in SBR configuration). MG/DD they can “gotcha”.
But if it gets that bad... well you figure out how you want to handle it- just stating options.
Unlike your regular guns the government doesn't know what you have, NFA items are registered and the government should know what items you have.
Sent from my SM-N975U using TapatalkYeah the feds but not the state, we’ll at least Trust before the requirement to notify local LE.
I joined the VCDL and bought more MK262.
And I live in Texas.
Sbrs and silencers can be kept out if the state without paperwork (not in SBR configuration). MG/DD they can “gotcha”.
But if it gets that bad... well you figure out how you want to handle it- just stating options.
That's an interesting point I had not thought of. SBRs need a Form 20 to go out of state, if in SBR configuration.
Put a long upper on the registered lower. Now not an SBR and store out of state.
Put the short upper on a pistol lower, now a pistol to store out of state.
It depends on your age. If you're 50 or older maybe NVG's, ballistic helmet, and plates are behind you. If you're retired just move to freer place. As far as keeping what you've got civil disobedience is the gold standard. If it comes down to confiscation, shoot it out with the bastards for your principles and to set things in motion for the rest of us.
As far as what to buy? How many guns do you already have? If things go south and you and your family have to mobilize how many guns can you reasonably take with you?
Just some thoughts.
In response to your original question, I’d be looking at mags, ammo, spare parts, and whatever accessories I think that I might need or just want. If a ban does happen, even things that aren’t specifically outlawed could become hard to get, because some companies will likely become reluctant to do business with customers in VA. I used to live in MA, and both PSA and BCM for example wouldn’t ship _anything_ there.
I’d also be thinking about another question too. I didn’t notice you mention the purpose(s) of your “collection,” but if it’s something important to you — be it home/self defense, competition, recreation or whatever — what will take over that role if/when using what you have now puts you at risk of prosecution? You mentioned a limited budget; maybe some of it needs to be allocated here. (No, I’m not advocating for capitulation, just a backup plan.)
I've got a question about all this registration stuff. Don't you think that simply by purchasing a firearm that there is some database you're linked to? Weve got to complete state and federal forms and get an approval. Am I the only one that feels we've been registered for awhile?
I feel for everyone in Virginia; I HAD to move back to Kalifornia due to work and family (grew up there when the State had some sanity) and due the nature of my work, registered all my AW’s with the state. It really sucked and felt like my freedom was completely stripped away. My SBR’s and suppressors that were in my Florida Trust I just completed the ATF Form 5320.20 and moved and stored them under lock and key at a friends house in Yuma, AZ. Currently, three of the SBR’s and suppressor are with me on TDY in SE Georgia (have approved ATF 5320.20 to transport them east). In totality The whole situation from registration to not keeping my NFA toys close and stored in another state blows, but in all of this I do feel hope because of Virginia Gun Owners protest in Richmond on January 20th. Unlike Kalifornia, it showed that Virginia gun owners weren’t willing to roll over for Fuhrer Northam and his socialist stooges and are going to fight.
If it were me, I would stock up on lowers and magazines in all of your favorite guns/future guns purchases just to piss off Northam.
I've got a question about all this registration stuff. Don't you think that simply by purchasing a firearm that there is some database you're linked to? Weve got to complete state and federal forms and get an approval. Am I the only one that feels we've been registered for awhile?
Pretty sure it is explicitly illegal to keep info called in on the NICS check. Not that things being illegal necessarily stops the government.
The info on the 4473 stays on that 4473 with the FFL for a minimum of 20 years till it can be destroyed. If FFL goes out of business during that time the ATF is supposed to take them.
Most people who would be members on this site and live in a shall issue state probably have a carry license, which of course is a database that exists somewhere that pretty strongly indicates firearms ownership. So what?
I've got a question about all this registration stuff. Don't you think that simply by purchasing a firearm that there is some database you're linked to? Weve got to complete state and federal forms and get an approval. Am I the only one that feels we've been registered for awhile?
Aside from private transactions and home-made stuff, its not “registered”, but they can visit ffls and look at form 4473s and trace a firearm to you. Of course you can always sell a gun, via personal transaction, so that can cog the works.
Steve Shannon
01-26-20, 12:26
Aside from private transactions and home-made stuff, its not “registered”, but they can visit ffls and look at form 4473s and trace a firearm to you. Of course you can always sell a gun, via personal transaction, so that can cog the works.
They usually don’t visit an FFL during a trace. They just call and ask for the information.
When an FFL goes out of business the bound book gets sent to the ATF. It is against the law to enter the information into a registry of gun owners, but my agent told me that the bound books get scanned to make it easier to do traces that involve former FFLs.
Individual states sometimes do create registries.
Nothing in the NICS request links anything other than an interest in firearms to your identity. No firearm data is part of the request.
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Aside from private transactions and home-made stuff, its not “registered”, but they can visit ffls and look at form 4473s and trace a firearm to you. Of course you can always sell a gun, via personal transaction, so that can cog the works.
Over the past 30 years I could wallpaper a house will all of the 4473's I've filed out. Those are non starters.
If you don't have or can't get a spare bolt or firing pin for that matter, in the future, your AR is just so many rounds away from becoming a boat anchor or club.
If you don't have or can't get a spare bolt in the future, your AR is just so many rounds away from becoming a boat anchor or club.
True and this is absolutely not something to assume you will always be able to get
I've got a question about all this registration stuff. Don't you think that simply by purchasing a firearm that there is some database you're linked to? Weve got to complete state and federal forms and get an approval. Am I the only one that feels we've been registered for awhile?
Only the Federal form has info on the model and serial #. The State form in Va only has type of firearm, such as rifle, pistol, shotgun.
Nothing about caliber. Doubt ATF under Trump will share info w VA's Commie Governor.
Only the Federal form has info on the model and serial #. The State form in Va only has type of firearm, such as rifle, pistol, shotgun.
Nothing about caliber. Doubt ATF under Trump will share info w VA's Commie Governor.
It's the ATF. I doubt very much that any block that Trumpster may or may not put in place would be worth a damn. Such info could always be "leaked" after all.
It's the ATF. I doubt very much that any block that Trumpster may or may not put in place would be worth a damn. Such info could always be "leaked" after all.
They won't necessarily need ATF's cooperation in many cases. Most Anti-gun CLEOs will have a file cabinet full of notification letters from Form 4 applications. I've heard second hand that at least one rural Sheriff in SW Va just has his staff shred the notification letters, but I doubt that's common in urban areas. I also wouldn't be surprised if some SOTs sent letters to State Police instead of the local police chief or sheriff.
They won't necessarily need ATF's cooperation in many cases. Most Anti-gun CLEOs will have a file cabinet full of notification letters from Form 4 applications. I've heard second hand that at least one rural Sheriff in SW Va just has his staff shred the notification letters, but I doubt that's common in urban areas. I also wouldn't be surprised if some SOTs sent letters to State Police instead of the local police chief or sheriff.
Man what a depressing situation in Virginia. Bloomberg is pumping $60 million into disarming 13 more pro gun states.
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jppaul16438
01-30-20, 18:54
I live in PA an I fear we are far not behind VA. If it wasnt for family member that cant move because of medical treatment they are getting here, I would be looking at WV.
richiecotite
01-30-20, 20:04
I’d get 2-3 nice lowers, have 50 30 rounders, and 2/3 magpul d60’s.
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MikhailBarracuda91
01-30-20, 20:50
I live in PA an I fear we are far not behind VA. If it wasnt for family member that cant move because of medical treatment they are getting here, I would be looking at WV.Same here, I'm like an hour from WV but I'll fight for PA
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To be fair Texas has some pretty retarded gun laws too
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TomPenguin5145
01-31-20, 01:13
That protest on the 20th didn't seem to accomplish much. :-/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/virginia-house-gun-legislation/index.html
States are no longer sovereign and the 2A is being infringed daily. Thats reality.
That protest on the 20th didn't seem to accomplish much. :-/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/virginia-house-gun-legislation/index.html
The VA House Dems are further left than many (most even) of the Dems in the Senate, so it's no surprise they passed counterparts to bills already passed by the Senate. And I agree, the bills are bad, especially the Red Flag bill and the bill ending preemption of state law over local firearms ordinances.
One positive change is that public outcry, including the rally on the 20th, may have managed to at least stall the AWB bill. The Senate bill is DOA, and as many as 4 Democrat Senators are expressing concerns over the House bill going too far. One (Lewis) has publicly stated he will not support firearms or magazine bans.
Last I checked, Levine's House AWB doesn't even have a singe co-sponsor.
In TN all 4473's have the serial number, and model gun on them and is submitted to the state when the TBI does your back ground check. They are required to delete that info after 72hrs. Yeah, I'll buy that for a donut. Many places do it on line so anything going over the net are sucked into the 25 acre computer in Utah. Probably anything that has a serial number displayed on Armslist is traceable via contact with the seller and buyer. Your messages with phone numbers etc are recorded and stored in Utah.
The VA House Dems are further left than many (most even) of the Dems in the Senate, so it's no surprise they passed counterparts to bills already passed by the Senate. And I agree, the bills are bad, especially the Red Flag bill and the bill ending preemption of state law over local firearms ordinances.
One positive change is that public outcry, including the rally on the 20th, may have managed to at least stall the AWB bill. The Senate bill is DOA, and as many as 4 Democrat Senators are expressing concerns over the House bill going too far. One (Lewis) has publicly stated he will not support firearms or magazine bans.
Last I checked, Levine's House AWB doesn't even have a singe co-sponsor.
Some encouraging news, thanks for this.
Some encouraging news, thanks for this.
That post is from 2 weeks ago, and turned out to be a little too optimistic. The House AWB bill passed, with several amendments, despite having no co-sponsors and despite several House Dems voting against it.
Hopefully the part about the Senate doesn't prove to be an equally poor prediction on my part.
I live in PA an I fear we are far not behind VA. If it wasnt for family member that cant move because of medical treatment they are getting here, I would be looking at WV.
I live in WV and feel the same way. I'd say stock up on mags, ammo and spare parts at a minimum.
Everything has been so incredibly available and cheap since the sandy hook panic died down, everybody should have gotten everything they need by now.
Everything has been so incredibly available and cheap since the sandy hook panic died down, everybody should have gotten everything they need by now.
Yes. But, also no. To have everything, not only that you 'need', but want, for now and into perpetuity possibly, is most certainly not cheap.
Yes. But, also no. To have everything, not only that you 'need', but want, for now and into perpetuity possibly, is most certainly not cheap.
Cant argue with you there. There's certainly no end to what I want when it comes to firearms. However, we have been living in a kind of golden era of cheap high quality AR's and plentiful mags and cheap ammo for at least the last 6 years. There's been plenty of time to stock up, and for those who haven't, better get on it!
Edited to add: when I say cheap, I mean relatively. It the last few years we've seen Quality AR's for hundreds of dollars less than what they were priced at pre Sandy Hook. 1000 cases of of brass ammo down to $260's, steel case $170's. Mags for under $10
hotrodder636
02-13-20, 21:54
I saw an article today about passing the BANNING of suppressors?
Let me see if I can find it again...
I saw an article today about passing the BANNING of suppressors?
Let me see if I can find it again...
Including ones already owned. Need to be turned in for destruction or stored out of state.
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Including ones already owned. Need to be turned in for destruction or stored out of state.
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These are the type of bans that really irk my cockels. It's like, "Hey, you bought this item legally and have never committed a crime in your life, well now you're an instant felon." **** the left.
If hb961 passes owning a magazine thats holds more than twelve rounds makes you a criminal.
If hb961 passes owning a magazine thats holds more than twelve rounds makes you a criminal.
There's a bunch of crap like that being introduced here in Washington state too. I'm about ready to make the move to Idaho
There's a bunch of crap like that being introduced here in Washington state too. I'm about ready to make the move to Idaho
I live in Idaho. I’m on the Sandpoint City council. Hit me up if you’d like. 208 610 4233 . No texting
There's a bunch of crap like that being introduced here in Washington state too. I'm about ready to make the move to Idaho
Idaho? Man there is nothing but felons and potato's!!
Idaho? Man there is nothing but felons and potato's!!
Felons, yes. Potatoes are not in North Idaho where I’m at.
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