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a buddy just e-mailed me that justice souter has ordered obama to present a valid birth certificate to answer the lawsuit from the dude in pa. has anybody heard this, or just another rumor. if they dis-qualify that jerk, the natives will surely get restless,,,,even here.
If it is just a rumor, it's a fast spreading one. Google it and you'll see it's all over the (I shudder to use this term) blogosphere.
Nothing about it from CNN, FOX, or MSNBC though.
Business_Casual
11-19-08, 19:27
George Soros spent good money to buy this election and he's not about to have some silly court tell him his stooge can't be inaugurated and start enacting the socialist agenda. :D
M_P
IF i understand this correctly, nobody, president, president-elect, can stonewall the supreme court. if they say he has to produce valid proof of citizenship, no end runs allowed,,,even by goobers.i positively have got to keep a handle on this, as i work at the med center in jackson. if any shit starts, the "boyz in the hood" KNOW better than to go down in these woods, i also know enough to keep out of jackson for a few days, although i do carry a m&p-15 and a glock in my truck
Even if this is true, what is the SCOTUS going to do about it? They have no enforcement powers. Bush or DOJ isn't going to do anything, that is for sure.
The Pennsylvania lawsuit was dismissed, but a new California court petition could tie up the California electoral votes until the birth certificate is produced:
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
Guess he doesn't need them to win, but don't they have to be cast?
somebody please "shuck this down to the cob" for me.. what WOULD this mean if he was born in kenya, as some claim?????what would probably take place???the end result.????
somebody please "shuck this down to the cob" for me.. what WOULD this mean if he was born in kenya, as some claim?????what would probably take place???the end result.????
I don't think anyone knows how it would play out. He's either going to be sworn in or at least widespread riots will be the norm IMO.
somebody please "shuck this down to the cob" for me.. what WOULD this mean if he was born in kenya, as some claim?????what would probably take place???the end result.????
by law, the POTUS must be a natural born US citizen, not foreign or naturalized. If a candidate were proven to be not natural born, then the election would be invalidated. but it gets very grey at this point, considering that in this case the POTUS elect has already received the electoral votes mandating them POTUS. Not sure if they could force him out and allow the other candidate to become POTUS; might require another election................................
somebody please "shuck this down to the cob" for me.. what WOULD this mean if he was born in kenya, as some claim?????what would probably take place???the end result.????
He would be constitutionally ineligible to serve as president. Some believe that would be game over for him right then and there. I personally don't think it will be so easy -- even if true. In fact, I think it could become downright ugly.
I guess my question is... Why are we just now getting around to this? I have had to produce a birth certificate for many things far less important than POTUS. I call bull shit on this one.
If he was not born in the US he has intentionally hid that from the public and should not be allowed to take office. :p I think he should be required to present a valid birth certificate before being sworn in. Regardless of this being BS or not, I think that any president elect should be required to show that proof.
I was born on a US Air Force base overseas and I know that I am not allowed to be president. :(
i've been sick of this s.o.b. for a while now,,,,,i'm getting sicker!!!! [anybody see the arab on the news call obama "america's house-negro"?? they are even sick of him and his shit over there.]
thopkins22
11-19-08, 20:31
I was born on a US Air Force base overseas and I know that I am not allowed to be president. :(
You ARE allowed to be president. Otherwise John McCain would also have been ineligible because he was born in Panama.
I sincerely doubt that Obama is lying about this...if John McCain wouldn't have called him on it, Hillary certainly would have.
I find it incredible that the DNC wouldn't have vetted him extensively on this...then again the GOP let McCain bring in Palin so....
I've always thought this talk about his birth certificate was just BS. Has he really never shown any proof of when and where he was born? I guess I'll believe anything now but dang.:confused:
Regardless of this being BS or not, I think that any president elect should be required to show that proof.
I would think it ought to be dealt with in full back when they file their candidacy.
Obama spent $700M running for president. Wouldn't you think those donors would like some assurance he wasn't going to get tossed out on a technicality before he hit the oval office after burning that kind of change?
CarlosDJackal
11-19-08, 20:38
IF i understand this correctly, nobody, president, president-elect, can stonewall the supreme court. if they say he has to produce valid proof of citizenship, no end runs allowed,,,even by goobers...
Do the words: "I did not have sexual relations with..." mean anything? :D
I've always thought this talk about his birth certificate was just BS. Has he really never shown any proof of when and where he was born? I guess I'll believe anything now but dang.:confused:
from what i've heard, he presented certificate of live birth, which is different from birth certificate. Added to this, is his schooling issue in Kenya (i think that's the country). When he attended school there, Kenya requires that only Kenyian citizens can attend, nor does Kenya accept dual citizenship, so he would have to have given up his US citizenship to legally attend the school. He can regain his US citizenship afterwards, but that's not classified as natural born citizen, and that is the requirement.
should be interesting
And his grandmother says he was born in Kenya.
thopkins22
11-19-08, 20:55
And his grandmother says he was born in Kenya.
His Kenyan grandmother is still alive?
somebody please "shuck this down to the cob" for me.. what WOULD this mean if he was born in kenya, as some claim?????what would probably take place???the end result.????
Can you say, President Biden?
Can you say, President Biden?
Is that actually what is supposed to happen? Does anybody know that?
I heard if it came out before the election, the Democrats would have to scramble in a different candidate.
After the election, to me, being ineligible is not like dying in office. It makes the entire election process a fraud.
His Kenyan grandmother is still alive?
I believe so. The one that died before the election was his Hawaiian grandmother.
can you say "out of the pan, into the fire"??? i swear i don't what who biden reminds me of most,,, a slicky used car salesman,,or a tele-evangalist.anyway you turn him---he's slimey.
The Supreme Court and Obama’s Birth Certificate
Posted on November 7, 2008 by organicpeas
[from Joan Swirsky's America the Beautiful]
If The Supreme Court Decides…?
At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.
If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
“I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”
Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.
http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/
Section 3 of the 20th Amendment indicates Biden would be the one if Obama couldn't serve.
3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
rightwingmaniac
11-19-08, 21:17
berg (a demonrat) put out the first lawsuit. since then it has been picked up again. here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc
Section 3 of the 20th Amendment indicates Biden would be the one if Obama couldn't serve.
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Interesting. It does apply to failing to qualify.
Although, another interesting point is that it also implies that making sure the candidate qualifies MUST be done before the term begins. So let's get on with it! Now there are only two qualifications -- and they BOTH can be verified with the SAME document! You couldn't ask for anything easier!! :D
Why is it again he refuses to do this? :confused:
You would think out of the 10s of millions of Democrat running around they would of picked one with a birth certificate handy.
RogerinTPA
11-19-08, 21:28
from what i've heard, he presented certificate of live birth, which is different from birth certificate. [QUOTE]
For what it's worth, I had to come up with a birth certificate when I replaced a lost passport a few years ago. When I looked at the document from the health department from the county of which it was filed, it read "Certificate of live Birth", which is in fact, a birth certificate, meaning the person was born alive.
[QUOTE]should be interesting
You got that right brother. But truth be told, it's all BS. Don't think for a moment that his citizenship hasn't been confirmed since the start by the FBI and Secret Service. This will take on a life of it's own and become the biggest conspiracy theory of all time. :eek:
Don Robison
11-19-08, 21:32
You would think out of the 10s of millions of Democrat running around they would of picked one with a birth certificate handy.
Yea, but none of them could promise everything under the sun with a straight face.
i've got this silly cartoonish picture in my head of hilliary somewhere sitting licking her chops, waiting to pick up some peices of scraps of fallout. hand-cuff her to the other jerks, i say.
Business_Casual
11-19-08, 21:33
from what i've heard, he presented certificate of live birth, which is different from birth certificate.
No. A Certificate of Live Birth is also known as a Birth Certificate.
M_P
rightwingmaniac
11-19-08, 21:38
watch this video, it will clear things up for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc
Yea, but none of them could promise everything under the sun with a straight face.
Woke up my wife laughing at this.
SeriousStudent
11-19-08, 21:59
by law, the POTUS must be a natural born US citizen, not foreign or naturalized. If a candidate were proven to be not natural born, then the election would be invalidated. but it gets very grey at this point, considering that in this case the POTUS elect has already received the electoral votes mandating them POTUS. Not sure if they could force him out and allow the other candidate to become POTUS; might require another election................................
Actually, the Electoral College has not voted yet, they vote on December 15th. And they are not legally bound by the popular vote.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008/dates.html
When you really get down to it, Senator Obama is still a US Senator, and is not the President-Elect until after all the Electoral College votes are tabulated on December 15th.
Interesting......
watch this video, it will clear things up for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc
Yep, that pretty much summarizes the issues.
Here's a very simple question that I think sheds some light on this. Which costs more? (A) Pulling together a team of lawyers and fighting tooth and nail any and all legal challenges that would require you to produce a copy of your original birth certificate? or (B) Producing a copy of your original birth certificate. Why would he spend hundreds of thousands of dollars needlessly?
There is a birth certificate on file in Hawaii as confirmed by the Governor, but she has sealed it so no one other than Obama himself can access it. I have heard that at the time he lived in Hawaii it was possible for a parent to get a birth certificate made indicating live birth in another country. In other words, it legally documented the birth, but would in fact be proof that he was born elsewhere. I have also heard that there could be some embarrassing information on the long copy. Some questionable family situation. Or, as someone suggested, the birth certificate could in all likelihood have him officially listed as "white".
NinjaMedic
11-19-08, 22:07
For the record the supreme court has not "dismissed the case". They denied the motion for an injunction on the election. He still has to produce a valid birth certificate by 1DEC08.
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
For the record the supreme court has not "dismissed the case". They denied the motion for an injunction on the election. He still has to produce a valid birth certificate by 1DEC08.
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
Well, bottom of the eleventh but we've got one more trip to the plate!
I still think if he turned out to actually be Kenyan born, rather than surrender, you would see a legal battle drawn that would tear the nation apart. I don't see the left giving in. The constitution means nothing to them. And their anger and indignation would be unbridled.
This will mean civil war 2 if he cannot produce and the SCOTUS says hes out.
On the up side, the libs will gain a new found appreciation of guns....
Seriously, how hard is it going to be to forge a 60's era Hawaiian birth certificate? He has all of Hollywood behind him. If they can make me believe giant robots walk the Earth and Tom Cruise is a fat rap-loving criminal financier then I'm pretty sure they can come up with a government stamp.
I see three battle cries...
"The will of the people"
"Racism"
And all of the arguments that say that illegal aliens should have the same rights as citizens, like we've grown beyond being colonialists or whatever.
Seriously, how hard is it going to be to forge a 60's era Hawaiian birth certificate? He has all of Hollywood behind him. If they can make me believe giant robots walk the Earth and Tom Cruise is a fat rap-loving criminal financier then I'm pretty sure they can come up with a government stamp.
Yeah, I've worried about that point. The one they posted on their website already had Adobe Photoshop embedded in the hex.
While I would normally think that he is an American citizen, I don't see where the FBI and Secret Services powers would allow them to "vet" a Presidential candidate. It would be to muddied with ethical considerations, but then again who knows. They could just quietly share the information with the right people (SCOTUS) and allow it to take a more natural course.
One piece of information I found to be quite interesting to this whole matter was his visit to Pakistan in 1981. From what I was told he wrote about this visit in his memoirs, the interesting part is that apparently American Citizens were not allowed to enter Pakistan at this time, so if this is true how could he have gained entrance without, say, a Kenyan passport. Please let me know if this is correct.
More on the case:
http://www.americasright.com/
Why isn't, at the very least, Fox News getting on this?
I was born on a US Air Force base overseas and I know that I am not allowed to be president. :(
Yes you are. Natural born does not mean that you had to be born in the USA. It means that you had to be born of US Citizens (and the law states or stated that they have to be at least 18 years and citizens for at least 5 years or something like that -- the exact legislation defining it has changed over the years.).
Being born of US citizens on a USAF Base overseas does not disqualify you.
McCain for example was born in the canal zone of US Parents.
The problem with Obama is that his father was Kenyan, and his mother a US citizen but not yet 18 (or maybe it has to be over 18) when he was born.
If you want to believe Wikipedia, here is the description as listed there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
For example, according to that, Congress in 1790 defined people born abroad but to US citizens as being "Natural Born".
Seriously, how hard is it going to be to forge a 60's era Hawaiian birth certificate? He has all of Hollywood behind him. If they can make me believe giant robots walk the Earth and Tom Cruise is a fat rap-loving criminal financier then I'm pretty sure they can come up with a government stamp.
actually probably pretty hard. Document forensic experts have all sorts of tests they do on the paper, ink, etc and can date them pretty accurately as well as check them for elements that are more modern than that and would not be found in 60s era paper and ink, for example.
It is not just having the right seals. It is having the right paper and ink that is pure and unadulterated with more modern chemicals and compounds.
rharris,
You are correct. I was born in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia and we also refer to it as a Certificate of Live Birth. It has the appropriate stamps and signatures as required. Hawaii uses something similar to my understanding.
[QUOTE]from what i've heard, he presented certificate of live birth, which is different from birth certificate. [QUOTE]
For what it's worth, I had to come up with a birth certificate when I replaced a lost passport a few years ago. When I looked at the document from the health department from the county of which it was filed, it read "Certificate of live Birth", which is in fact, a birth certificate, meaning the person was born alive.
You got that right brother. But truth be told, it's all BS. Don't think for a moment that his citizenship hasn't been confirmed since the start by the FBI and Secret Service. This will take on a life of it's own and become the biggest conspiracy theory of all time. :eek:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/
Posted: November 20, 2008
1:10 am Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.
Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.
The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.
The case, unsuccessful at the state level, had been submitted to Justice David Souter, who rejected it. The case then was resubmitted to Justice Clarence Thomas. The next line on the court's docket says: "DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008."
If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.
The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."
According to America's Right blogger Jeff Schreiber, there also was a development in a second case presented to the Supreme Court on the same issue.
His report said the Federal Election Commission now has waived its right to respond to a complaint brought by attorney Philip Berg.
"There are a number of reasons why the respondents here would choose not to respond. First, because the court only grants between 70 and 120 of the 8,000 or so petitions it receives every year, perhaps they just liked their odds of Berg's petition getting denied. Second, because they have made arguments as to Berg's lack of standing several times at the district court level and beyond, perhaps they felt as though any arguments had already been made and were available on the record. Or, perhaps the waiver shows that the FEC and other respondents do not take seriously the allegations put forth by Berg, and did not wish to legitimize the claims with a response," the blogger speculated.
"Another thing which is not completely clear is whether the FEC is filing for itself or on behalf of all respondents," he added.
"If it were just the FEC filing the waiver, I must say that I'm surprised," Berg told America's Right. "I'm surprised because I think they should take the position that the Supreme Court should grant standing to us. I think they have a responsibility not only to Phil Berg, but to all citizens of this country, to put forth a sense of balance which otherwise doesn't seem to exist.
"However, if this was filed by the FEC on behalf of the DNC and Barack Obama too, it reeks of collusion," he said, noting that the attorney from the Solicitor General's office should be representing federal respondents and not the DNC or Obama.
But he noted that "questions surrounding this aspect of Obama's candidacy are seemingly beginning to see the light of day."
Just last week, WND reported on worries over a "constitutional crisis" that could be looming over the issue of Obama's citizenship.
Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others filed a court petition in California asking the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office.
Alan Keyes
The disputes all cite "natural-born citizen" requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists as his campaign has stated, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?
Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. There have been other allegations that Obama actually was born in Kenya during a time when his father was a British subject.
The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.
"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal," the action challenges.
An Obama spokesman interviewed by WND described such lawsuits as "garbage."
The popular vote Nov. 4 favored Obama over Sen. John McCain by several percentage points. But because of the distribution of the votes, Obama is projected to take the Electoral College vote, when it is held in December, by a 2-to-1 margin.
The California case states, "There is a reasonable and common expectation by the voters that to qualify for the ballot, the individuals running for office must meet minimum qualifications as outlined in the federal and state Constitutions and statutes, and that compliance with those minimum qualifications has been confirmed by the officials overseeing the election process," the complaint said, when in fact the only documentation currently required is a signed statement from the candidate attesting to those qualifications.
"Since [the secretary of state] has, as its core, the mission of certifying and establishing the validity of the election process, this writ seeks a Court Order barring SOS from certifying the California Electors until documentary proof that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen of the United States of America is received by her," the document said.
"This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, and any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.
The "certificate of live birth" posted by the Obama campaign cannot be viewed as authoritative, the case alleges.
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
The case also raises the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.
Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."
WND has reported other challenges that have been raised in Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484
dangermoney
11-20-08, 06:42
Yep, that pretty much summarizes the issues.
Here's a very simple question that I think sheds some light on this. Which costs more? (A) Pulling together a team of lawyers and fighting tooth and nail any and all legal challenges that would require you to produce a copy of your original birth certificate? or (B) Producing a copy of your original birth certificate. Why would he spend hundreds of thousands of dollars needlessly?
There is a birth certificate on file in Hawaii as confirmed by the Governor, but she has sealed it so no one other than Obama himself can access it. I have heard that at the time he lived in Hawaii it was possible for a parent to get a birth certificate made indicating live birth in another country. In other words, it legally documented the birth, but would in fact be proof that he was born elsewhere. I have also heard that there could be some embarrassing information on the long copy. Some questionable family situation. Or, as someone suggested, the birth certificate could in all likelihood have him officially listed as "white".
Agreed. If he is not required to prove that he meets the presidential constitutional requirements and he is allowed to assume office without having to produce this proof, then our Constitution, for all practical purposes, will be declared outdated and meaningless, nothing but a reminder of what our great country once was "back in the good old days".
I myself would not believe 98% of anything that WorldNetDaily has to say. YMMV.
I myself would not believe 98% of anything that WorldNetDaily has to say. YMMV.
Which puts them well above the NY Times.
I myself would not believe 98% of anything that WorldNetDaily has to say. YMMV.
That is true about most news sources which is why we must research (important topics) ourselves and then reach our own conclusion. Stay safe, bro.
I myself would not believe 98% of anything that WorldNetDaily has to say. YMMV.
why is that?
why is that?
World Net Daily is not too popular with the law enforcement community (or M4C).
One piece of information I found to be quite interesting to this whole matter was his visit to Pakistan in 1981. From what I was told he wrote about this visit in his memoirs, the interesting part is that apparently American Citizens were not allowed to enter Pakistan at this time.
That is ridiculous. Why wouldn't US citizens be allowed to visit Pakistan in 1981? There were probably thousands of US citizens going to Pakistan for business and pleasure that year, like any other year. It was nicer then then now, for sure.
Possibly for the same reason that U.S citizens are not allowed to freely travel to Cuba or North Korea. There may have been travel restrictions in place at that time.
[QUOTE]One piece of information I found to be quite interesting to this whole matter was his visit to Pakistan in 1981. From what I was told he wrote about this visit in his memoirs, the interesting part is that apparently American Citizens were not allowed to enter Pakistan at this time.[QUOTE]
That is ridiculous. Why wouldn't US citizens be allowed to visit Pakistan in 1981? There were probably thousands of US citizens going to Pakistan for business and pleasure that year, like any other year. It was nicer then then now, for sure.
Because I feel that they intentionally mislead people with their over-sensational or false headlines. Just my opinion.
why is that?
World Net Daily is not too popular with the law enforcement community.
Why is that? :confused:
It has zero to do with LE or M4C.net. It's because alot of what they say is just scuttlebutt.
World Net Daily is not too popular with the law enforcement community (or M4C).
Possibly for the same reason that U.S citizens are not allowed to freely travel to Cuba or North Korea. There may have been travel restrictions in place at that time.
[quote=DrewH;253611][quote]One piece of information I found to be quite interesting to this whole matter was his visit to Pakistan in 1981. From what I was told he wrote about this visit in his memoirs, the interesting part is that apparently American Citizens were not allowed to enter Pakistan at this time.
Pakistan had diplomatic relations, with a US Embassy & Consulate, US business investment, heck along with thousands of dual US/Pakistani citizens in 1981. As it still does, although it is more dangerous country these days (I was in Pakistan not to long ago)
We did embargo sales of military goods to Pakistan at one time over its nuclear program, but Pakistan never has been under a complete embargo and travel restrictions like North Korea or Cuba.
In 1981 we were probably beginning to work with Pakistan over the invasion of Afghanistan.
Let me see. If the guy provides a birth certificate. It must be a fake. Get over it. Whats done is done. We voted, its over. Isn't democracy great.
*move along kiddies, there's nothing to see here..*
Let me see. If the guy provides a birth certificate. It must be a fake. Get over it. Whats done is done. We voted, its over. Isn't democracy great.
*move along kiddies, there's nothing to see here..*
Yep, because the Constitution is just an old sheet of parchment in a building in DC somewhere, not the highest law of the land. :rolleyes:
Yep, because the Constitution is just an old sheet of parchment in a building in DC somewhere, not the highest law of the land.
Like it or not, your statement bears a great deal of truth. We have demonstrated over the last 140 years, that it can be willfully disregarded, if so desired.
Seriously, how hard is it going to be to forge a 60's era Hawaiian birth certificate? He has all of Hollywood behind him. If they can make me believe giant robots walk the Earth and Tom Cruise is a fat rap-loving criminal financier then I'm pretty sure they can come up with a government stamp.
being a local haole boy myself :)
I bet he wont even have to forge it !!
they will give him a real one and no worries about it
Hawaii has its 3rd world charm for sure and I know when I was younger and had Maui cruisers that would not pass inspection I would just pay off the inspection guy !
when I lived on Lanai I had guns and clips that I would not own on other islands ! cops no care when they know you !
I was asked by a cop to help look for a missing person on Lanai and he knew me of course but had a six pack in the front seat
"ay brudah you want one beer" as he/we were on duty looking for someone !
when my car was stolen the cops did not want to file a report ? why it was someones CUZ who stole it !!!!
they got the guy he had 5 priors so they let him go ! not until he stole a backho from young brothers did he get in trouble ! never mess with the big island families !!!!
most cops are very good in the islands so not saying they are not ! but also when its family as we know we do anything for family !!!! and family is HUGE in the islands
again the islands have this 3rd world thing and while its a state its still Hawaii first and foremost !!!!!
so to get a real birth certificate and have them claim it was there all along will be nothing for him to get
its the way the islands works !!!
now the thing will be if the other side can somehow prove its not real ? me I doubt it will come to anything
but I hope he never gets in office over something like this :)
rubberneck
11-20-08, 13:57
Let me see. If the guy provides a birth certificate. It must be a fake. Get over it. Whats done is done. We voted, its over. Isn't democracy great.
*move along kiddies, there's nothing to see here..*
The thing of it is that he hasn't provided a birth certificate he presented a certificate of live birth (which isn't the same thing) and even then there were questions about it authenticity. At the time the state of Hawaii issued certificates of live birth for children born out of the country to a US citizen if the child was under a year old. It doesn't mean that he was born in Hawaii nor does it prove his citizenship. The sad part is that Obama could have cleared this all up by allowing the state to release his original birth certificate. He didn't. Why he didn't no one knows, but even if you think it is stupid I would point out that we have Constitutional requirements for being eligible for the Presidency. If there are any questions about his eligibility he has the obligation to prove that he met that standard.
I do wonder what your motivation was for joining this community six days ago. Your screen name and your two posts in Obama related threads suggest that your purpose here is to troll.
Business_Casual
11-20-08, 14:06
What are the chances any of this would actually matter to these people:
http://www.howobamagotelected.com/
M_P
.357sigger
11-20-08, 14:24
I am just surprised that cnn or fox hasn't bothered to look into this even if it may or may not be true...:confused:
Too bad that we don't actually live in a democracy.
Let me see. If the guy provides a birth certificate. It must be a fake. Get over it. Whats done is done. We voted, its over. Isn't democracy great.
*move along kiddies, there's nothing to see here..*
yeswecan,
Just a little FYI. We welcome everyone to come here and discuss guns, politics, current events, etc...However, if your only purpose here is to stir the pot I highly recommend that you don't. Don't get me wrong, we all value the 1st Amendment as well as the 2nd. But, it isn't carte blanche to act like a clown.
Let me see. If the guy provides a birth certificate. It must be a fake. Get over it. Whats done is done. We voted, its over. Isn't democracy great.
*move along kiddies, there's nothing to see here..*
Jay Cunningham
11-20-08, 14:41
This thread isn't really going anywhere.
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