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My oh my - trouble ahead ...
”Polling found the Bloomberg-Clinton combination would be a formidable force to take on Trump in the race for the White House, the source said.
Former New York City Mayor and Democratic candidate Bloomberg is said to be considering even changing his official residence from New York to Colorado or Florida - where he also has homes - because the electoral college makes it difficult for US president and vice-president to reside in the same state.“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8007521/Mike-Bloomberg-wants-Hillary-Clinton-running-mate-say-sources.html
Dirk Williams
02-15-20, 13:18
That DC, is for sale to the highest bidder isn't anything new. Literally every elected position state and fed, are essentially purchased.
Tic Toc.
DW
So does this mean there is already a Bloomberg suicide plan in place? I mean I'm sorta conflicted.
Let’s ask Vince Foster.
Uhhh...
... make that Ron Brown.
Oh, wait ...
He'll just resign and bingo- HRC is finally president! Yes, I can see Bernie and his communist crowd throwing their support behind Billionaire Bloomberg and HRC after he gets the nomination stolen from him again.
On the flipside those two could get away with shooting Antifa in the streets and the media would look the other way!
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The_War_Wagon
02-15-20, 18:38
UN-possible. Aren't they BOTH from New Yawk? :stop:
UN-possible. Aren't they BOTH from New Yawk? :stop:
Hillary is a transplant.
If this sort of thing continues, and Bernie continues to do well in the primaries, the July DNC Convention in Milwaukee will be fun to watch.
Hillary is a transplant.
If this sort of thing continues, and Bernie continues to do well in the primaries, the July DNC Convention in Milwaukee will be fun to watch.
Oh I wish Chicago '68 on them in spades! Protesters, violence, and a broken convention. I wish them the worst!
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-15-20, 20:01
Sure, Kaine is what the problem was....
Michelle Obama would have been a better...
It has to be a chick, and I’d rather deal with Hiiiary than Kamala Harris...
Dirk Williams
02-15-20, 20:07
Saddens me to see what's going on in these United States. Between Corona virus and the 2020 elections I frankly don't see how things don't get frosty in the next say,,,,, 13 months. I've stayed in contact with many of my old Navy Buddies, from the early 80s. We all served in VQ-2 ROTA Spain.
Many went on to retire, as Senior Chiefs, and Master Chiefs. Several moved to SE Asia , others Europe, Spain and Portugual upon their retirement. In recent emails, these guys are telling us, their bringing their families home. While they can still find affordable transportation.
Clarification, these are the folks in SE Asia. Singapore, Vietnam, Thiland, Cambodia, PI, and another place, slipped my mind.
Many work for the Same company driving deep sea underwater drones, " Tethered".
Tic Toc
DW.
Dr. Bullseye
02-15-20, 20:46
Mini-Mike wants her because they will have pictures made side by side and she is the only one in the field shorter than he is.
Business_Casual
02-16-20, 06:28
Why do people think he is so formidable? He’s radically outspent other candidates and isn’t polling in the top tier. Hillary? She’s old news and baggage.
Why do people think he is so formidable? He’s radically outspent other candidates and isn’t polling in the top tier. Hillary? She’s old news and baggage.
My thoughts exactly.
I fail to see how this hypothetical ticket wins. Clinton has baggage that will follow her around, and if Bloomberg rises in the polls, they’ll start to attack his stances and mayoral policies. His campaign is run on two things- guns and get s**t done, and even then, he’s soft on ideas. If you look up “nanny state” on Wikipedia, it has his freakin’ photo! He’s also a New York billionaire; remember how much the Democrats liked the last one that ran? Per the original article (which I take with a grain of salt )if he picked Clinton, he’d likely move to Florida or Colorado, where he owns homes. If that’s not out of touch with the battleground electorate, I don’t know what is.
Combined, they represent two political aspects that the Democrats don’t want to run on: money and “establishment”. They will not energize the youth and undecided voters, they won’t have any particular resonance with minorities or women, and they’ll flounder in the battleground states. If Bloomberg/Clinton is the (D) ticket, it’s a good possibility that a strong (I) will emerge from the Democratic camp, possibly Sanders, and play havoc. If Bloomberg/Clinton run as an (I), well, a man can dream...
This isn’t to say that Trump can sleep on them; but it will be interesting to watch the DNC if Bloomberg makes a strong showing.
Why do people think he is so formidable? He’s radically outspent other candidates and isn’t polling in the top tier. Hillary? She’s old news and baggage.
$$$$$$. If Daddy Bloombucks throws enough money around even Bernie and AOC will be standing behind him endorsing him and the capitalism that made him a billionaire.
Grand58742
02-16-20, 08:39
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Business_Casual
02-16-20, 10:19
After what she did to Bernie last time, are the Bernie Bro’s going to show on Tuesday if she takes the nomination away from him again?
It's just a publicity stunt for headlines.
Grand58742
02-16-20, 11:14
After what she did to Bernie last time, are the Bernie Bro’s going to show on Tuesday if she takes the nomination away from him again?
I have a hard time believing any Bernie supporter nor Bernie himself would end up backing the DNC candidate if they pull some shady nonsense again. Or backing a known capitalist pig like Bloomberg.
I also have a hard time believing the hatred for Trump runs deep enough in moderate Democrats (if there is such a thing anymore) to vote for a socialist like Bernie if he somehow gets the nomination. He certainly isn't going to appeal to independents.
It's a win-win for Trump so long as he keeps his mouth shut.
Reagan said there was no right or left party, there's up and there's down. The down party has become the democrat socialists. Nothing they do is going to make sense.
Regardless what Mikey blows $2B for the 2020, it will be an epic waste of cash. It will be a bullet point in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9u1pao3lkM
How many hundreds of Millions or Billions of dollars would it take to create massive voter fraud and "irregularities"? Is it possible we will witness the most corrupt and fraudulent general election in American history, to guarantee Trump is not elected? We may actually witness a genuine stolen election.
MountainRaven
02-16-20, 13:44
Why do people think he is so formidable? He’s radically outspent other candidates and isn’t polling in the top tier. Hillary? She’s old news and baggage.
I haven't heard any mainstream media reporting on Bloomberg's run. Certainly not as much as they're focusing on Buddhajudge, Bernie, Crazy Uncle Joe, Fauxcahontas, and Klobuchar.
If there's any sort of big brain reason for his run, it's likely to keep the other Democratic candidates on the warpath for guns.
The left-leaning and Democratic-leaning voters I've spoken to seem to be as afraid - or probably more accurately pissed-off - that Bloomberg is running, that it means that Bloomberg believes he can buy the election. I'm sure plenty of them will still show up to vote anyway, not to vote for Bloomberg, Pete, Joe, Bernie, Amy, or Liz (or whoever gets the DNC's nod), but to vote against Trump.
But that's always been the real threat: People voting not for whoever is running against Trump, but voting against Trump.
We shall see.
How many hundreds of Millions or Billions of dollars would it take to create massive voter fraud and "irregularities"? Is it possible we will witness the most corrupt and fraudulent general election in American history, to guarantee Trump is not elected? We may actually witness a genuine stolen election.
And this is the real danger on the horizon.
And this is the real danger on the horizon.
But in the meantime, we can have fun with this, referring to a Bloomberg/Clinton ticket as: The Runt & the C__t......:D
Dirk Williams
02-16-20, 18:21
Danger, cant think of any current politico's, more anti gun then these two. If elected just how quickly will the revolution tee off.
Tic Toc.
Dirk
Dirk Williams
02-16-20, 18:22
Awesome, well done JMP.
DW
Diamondback
02-16-20, 18:53
Bloomaparte may have other big problems he wants attention taken off of...
https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2020/02/16/784490/
https://www.redstate.com/tladuke/2020/02/16/another-verbal-oops-michael-bloomberg-has-said-that-teachers-unions-are-extremists-like-the-nra/
Too soon for #MeTooMike?
How many hundreds of Millions or Billions of dollars would it take to create massive voter fraud and "irregularities"? Is it possible we will witness the most corrupt and fraudulent general election in American history, to guarantee Trump is not elected? We may actually witness a genuine stolen election.
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Agree, completely.
How many hundreds of Millions or Billions of dollars would it take to create massive voter fraud and "irregularities"? Is it possible we will witness the most corrupt and fraudulent general election in American history, to guarantee Trump is not elected? We may actually witness a genuine stolen election.
And the American people will stare at the TV screen, slack jawed and drooling, saying “I wonder what just happened?”.......somebody change the channel.
And the American people will stare at the TV screen, slack jawed and drooling, saying “I wonder what just happened?”.......somebody change the channel.
Then pray that Comrade Bernie is the nominee, and he takes the democrat party off the cliff. Otherwise, Bloomberg may be our worst enemy.
Diamondback
02-17-20, 01:26
Then pray that Comrade Bernie is the nominee, and he takes the democrat party off the cliff. Otherwise, Bloomberg may be our worst enemy.
Are you saying for us in Blue Hells, or safely locked Trump States, it's time for Operation Chaos?
Then pray that Comrade Bernie is the nominee, and he takes the democrat party off the cliff. Otherwise, Bloomberg may be our worst enemy.
Truly, Bloomberg is the only threat that keeps me wondering about November. The only hope is that should he buy the nomination away from Bernie, the bros decide to stay home and not vote. The problem is that TDS is so strong they might show up even after the nomination is stolen.
Are you saying for us in Blue Hells, or safely locked Trump States, it's time for Operation Chaos?
If you're in a State that lets you vote for another party in the primary, go for it. Sanders needs to head to Milwaukee with a solid pile of delegates, and stealing the nomination from him will only make the optics worse. You want millions of disgruntled, depressed democrat voters staying home in November.
Rush was spot-on with his Operation Chaos push... We're gonna have to do something. Bloomberg is lighting up the airways with ads all the time.
Grand58742
02-17-20, 09:30
She's a power hungry bitch, why wouldn't she want back in?
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/02/17/hillary-clinton-wants-back-in-as-bloomberg-campaign-tries-to-quiet-speculation-she-could-be-his-vp-pick/23928724/
Citing "sources close to Bloomberg's campaign," Matt Drudge of the Drudge Report, a right-wing news aggregator, tweeted that the former New York City mayor "is considering Hillary as running mate, after their polling found the Bloomberg-Clinton combination would be a formidable force." Drudge also reported that Bloomberg was considering moving his permanent residence to one of his homes in Colorado or Florida "since the electoral college makes it hard for a POTUS and VPOTUS from the same state."
Clinton did not respond to a Business Insider request for comment.
According to Fox News, an unidentified source close to Clinton said that she "wants back in" following her loss to Trump during the 2016 election. While Clinton has not yet commented on the report, it's not impossible that the former first lady would be eyeing a way back into politics following her defeat almost four years ago.
Diamondback
02-17-20, 09:33
She's a power hungry bitch, why wouldn't she want back in?
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/02/17/hillary-clinton-wants-back-in-as-bloomberg-campaign-tries-to-quiet-speculation-she-could-be-his-vp-pick/23928724/
Remember, Julius Caesar rejected the crown three times before "yielding to popular demand"...
This is amazing just for the Memes..
I see this unholy union turning out in one of two ways, and looking at polling data, I go back and forth which way it would turn out: either a HUGE landslide victory, or a HUGE landslide defeat. In any case, not even close. I *think* with HRC on the ticket, the middle/centrist democrats will feel more comfortable voting for them, blacks/Hispanics LOVED HRC in 2016 so that would be a boon, and Bloomberg could pull in the left. The only counter is enough indies and republicans who see the danger and come out to vote, like they did in 2016, but there needs to be more turnout.
What remains to be seen is if the combined baggage of HRC and Bloomberg together would be so heavy for the DNC ticket to sink that as a possibility.
Then pray that Comrade Bernie is the nominee, and he takes the democrat party off the cliff. Otherwise, Bloomberg may be our worst enemy.
We have enough enemies here inside the US already. Four years should be a big indicator of that. Bloomberg will ban soda, guns and will make martial law permanent. You thought “stop and frisk” was bad.
The_War_Wagon
02-17-20, 14:16
Hillary is a transplant.
So where is she "transplanting" her lard-ass to THIS time, to make this work?
Life's a Hillary
02-17-20, 14:57
I honestly thought Bloomberg stood a real chance before this. If he really wants to tap Hildog for VP it should be a cakewalk for Trump in the general. It’s like they can’t figure out how many people absolutely loathe that woman and it will do nothing but help rally the republicans to get out and vote. So many people didn’t like Trump but were so anti Hillary that they held their nose and voted for him. That’s just going to happen again.
The left won’t allow another 4 years of Trump. They’ll find a way whatever the cost. At least that’s their position.
Diamondback
02-17-20, 15:38
The left won’t allow another 4 years of Trump. They’ll find a way whatever the cost. At least that’s their position.
But if they take that to the ultimate extension... oh wait, hence the big Gun Grab pushing at the stat level.
So where is she "transplanting" her lard-ass to THIS time, to make this work?
Hillary was from Chicago, but is a New York transplant via Arkansas and Washington D.C.
Business_Casual
02-18-20, 02:19
This won’t help:
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/02/17/bloomberg-2011-young-black-latino-men-dont-know-how-to-behave-in-the-workplace/
I don't think some people realize what type of fight we have on our hands.
Bloomberg has a very likely chance at beating Trump.
Grand58742
02-18-20, 12:22
I don't think some people realize what type of fight we have on our hands.
Bloomberg has a very likely chance at beating Trump.
Can you expand on how exactly? Other than outspending the competition, I don't see Bloomberg really exciting the base. Plus, he has significant political baggage (not that the mainstream media would report on)
I feel like Bloomberg will carry traditional blue states like New England, the Left Coast and Illinois, but the battleground states will remain the same. Red states are gonna red state, blue states are going to blue state.
I see Florida remaining "purple" though I don't think they'll flip to the DNC because Bloomberg really doesn't offer anything different. PA and MI I believe will stay Trump because of the infusion of new work. Same with Ohio. I could see VA turning back purple and possibly heading back to GOP hands depending on the DC suburb vote and the stupidity that's happening right now. I think CO stays blue along with NM. Nevada could be tricky.
I'm not sure the Democrats have a path or major campaign strategy in 2020 other than saying "we aren't Trump."
ETA: I'm not asking for argument's sake, but rather trying to figure out why you believe Bloomberg is the obvious choice.
Also, his radio ads are annoying.
Can you expand on how exactly? Other than outspending the competition, I don't see Bloomberg really exciting the base. Plus, he has significant political baggage (not that the mainstream media would report on)
I feel like Bloomberg will carry traditional blue states like New England, the Left Coast and Illinois, but the battleground states will remain the same. Red states are gonna red state, blue states are going to blue state.
I see Florida remaining "purple" though I don't think they'll flip to the DNC because Bloomberg really doesn't offer anything different. PA and MI I believe will stay Trump because of the infusion of new work. Same with Ohio. I could see VA turning back purple and possibly heading back to GOP hands depending on the DC suburb vote and the stupidity that's happening right now. I think CO stays blue along with NM. Nevada could be tricky.
I'm not sure the Democrats have a path or major campaign strategy in 2020 other than saying "we aren't Trump."
ETA: I'm not asking for argument's sake, but rather trying to figure out why you believe Bloomberg is the obvious choice.
Also, his radio ads are annoying.
I agree with this assessment.
Overall, the left is in disjointed shambles and is not well organized - as a whole. All the progs want WHAT they want and they want it NOW. Ultimately, what they all want is to be in charge, forever. If that means that they have to swallow the bitter pill of Bloomberg/Clinton just to get into office, I think they will do that, in the large group sense. Look how many of them jump ship from one candidate to the next when their candidate starts taking on water.
The big goal is power, and they know that money=power, as much as their little communo-fascist brains don’t want to admit it.
The right ad campaign, the right donors (which we know they have plenty of) and the money to outspend every other candidate combined can easily put them on the ticket.
I don’t call anything until I see it, but I think this is one to keep an eye on.
(Before I retired, I ran the detail for our Dem congressman. I used to hear ALL sorts of good intel. I don’t miss that job, but I sure wish I had the intel. He was a HUGE HRC insider. )
By skipping most of the primary process and the early debates Bloomberg has avoided the race to appeal to the woke far left base of the Democratic Party. That could make him much more competitive in the general as there isn't a lot of ammunition available to paint him as far left and unappealing to moderates and independents.
Historically he's run and won as a Republican, though only at the state level and only in NY (admittedly not the same as a red state). Still, it could also allow him to appear moderate in an attempt to appeal to independents and even some establishment Republican voters.
He's spending enough that he will be on equal footing in terms of name recognition with someone like Trump or Clinton, and running as a Dem with the MSM in his pocket would likely avoid having to answer much in the way of tough questions.
Establishment Republicans/Never-Trumpers might see him as preferable to Trump, as Bloomberg would likely signal a return to business-as-usual in DC, and because the Republican establishment seems to prefer being the minority party and letting the Democrats run the country while they sit back and fund raise by complaining and playing the underdog.
Business_Casual
02-18-20, 13:00
By skipping most of the primary process and the early debates Bloomberg has avoided the race to appeal to the woke far left base of the party. That could make him much more competitive in the general as there isn't a lot of ammunition available that can be used to paint him far left an so unappealing to moderates and independents.
Historically he has run and won as a Republican, though only at the state level and only in NY, which is admittedly not the same as a red state. Still, it could also allow him to appear moderate in an attempt to appeal to independents and even establishment Republican voters with RINO or NeoCon sympathies.
He's spending enough that he will be on equal footing in terms of name recognition with someone like Trump or Clinton, and with the MSM in his pocket he would likely be able to avoid having to answer much in the way of tough questions, similar to HRC in 2016.
Establishment Republicans/Never-Trumpers might see him as preferable to Trump as Bloomberg would likely signal a return to business-as-usual in DC, and because the Republican establishment seems to prefer being the minority party and letting the Democrats run the country while they fund raise by complaining and playing the underdog.
He also skipped letting people see what an annoying, racist, classicist, jerk he is too. When it is him up there and not his media, I think this will change.
He also skipped letting people see what an annoying, racist, classicist, jerk he is too. When it is him up there and not his media, I think this will change.
He absolutely is, and I hope you're right.
SomeOtherGuy
02-18-20, 13:15
Mike Bloomberg is laughably un-electable given all that's come out in the last week. He absolutely must know this. Therefore I think what's really going on is this:
Because, honestly, Bloomberg isn’t interested in being president anymore than I am. He’s 78. He’s not campaigning. What he’s doing is a pantomime of a campaign covering for a very sophisticated form of campaign finance evasion.
And he’s doing it to figure out what is necessary for a ‘centrist’ Democratic candidate to say (and where) to steal electoral college votes from Donald Trump in November.
Bloomberg is spending this money today knowing that a targeted campaign which can figure out how to undermine Trump where he is strong can shift the map enough to sneak out a victory.
So Mike will spend more than $1 billion as an in-kind contribution to the DNC in the form of campaign advertising to get this done.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mike-bloomberg-trojan-horse-clintonista-revival
Whatever the purported election result is this year - and I think a Trumpslide is likely - it's a given that years of lawfare is going to follow, whichever candidate gets sworn in for 2021.
What a time to be alive.
Grand58742
02-18-20, 13:35
By skipping most of the primary process and the early debates Bloomberg has avoided the race to appeal to the woke far left base of the Democratic Party. That could make him much more competitive in the general as there isn't a lot of ammunition available to paint him as far left and unappealing to moderates and independents.
Historically he's run and won as a Republican, though only at the state level and only in NY (admittedly not the same as a red state). Still, it could also allow him to appear moderate in an attempt to appeal to independents and even some establishment Republican voters.
He's spending enough that he will be on equal footing in terms of name recognition with someone like Trump or Clinton, and running as a Dem with the MSM in his pocket would likely avoid having to answer much in the way of tough questions.
Establishment Republicans/Never-Trumpers might see him as preferable to Trump, as Bloomberg would likely signal a return to business-as-usual in DC, and because the Republican establishment seems to prefer being the minority party and letting the Democrats run the country while they sit back and fund raise by complaining and playing the underdog.
I'm thinking more of the far left on the Democratic spectrum being alienated by (another) Bernie shutout and them refusing to back whatever candidate the DNC decides they want. Bloomberg is pretty much the icon of what they hate and I feel like the left wing would have a problem holding their nose and voting for him.
I also don't think the Never-Trump movement is quite as broad nor as powerful as some make it out to be.
I could see Independents and Centrists alike voting for Trump. Despite what the media and the DNC proclaim, he's not spouting horns and they are wise enough to see his shenanigans are being overshadowed by the shenanigans from the left and mainstream DNC. They probably do believe Trump is a buffoon that says stupid things, but he's also a buffoon that's saying stupid things while growing their wallets and they could vote for him based on that fact alone.
Can you expand on how exactly? Other than outspending the competition, I don't see Bloomberg really exciting the base. Plus, he has significant political baggage (not that the mainstream media would report on)
I feel like Bloomberg will carry traditional blue states like New England, the Left Coast and Illinois, but the battleground states will remain the same. Red states are gonna red state, blue states are going to blue state.
I see Florida remaining "purple" though I don't think they'll flip to the DNC because Bloomberg really doesn't offer anything different. PA and MI I believe will stay Trump because of the infusion of new work. Same with Ohio. I could see VA turning back purple and possibly heading back to GOP hands depending on the DC suburb vote and the stupidity that's happening right now. I think CO stays blue along with NM. Nevada could be tricky.
I'm not sure the Democrats have a path or major campaign strategy in 2020 other than saying "we aren't Trump."
ETA: I'm not asking for argument's sake, but rather trying to figure out why you believe Bloomberg is the obvious choice.
Also, his radio ads are annoying.
Bloomberg has to win FL and PA, specifically the Philadelphia area. All the east coast liberals that fled high taxes live in FL.
He will have the support of the following:
1. Mainstream democrats
2. Moderates that think trump is too mean and racist.
3. Big business / pro illegal immigrant factions
4. The deep state Bush crew and other statists
5. Romney/McCain type RINOs
6. A significant amount of hollywood, media, education system establishment, etc
7. The Clinton and Obama machines
8. The globalist illuminati / George Soros types
Bloomberg's money itself is almost an insurmountable obstacle. He has 5 - 15 times more money than Trump depending on what net worth estimation you reference.
There is a reason why Bloomberg is running. It is their only chance at defeating Trump.
There is way to much analysis going on right now with Bloomberg and comments he made in the past about certain workers or size of soda beverage. All of that will be swept under the rug.
In a month, the media will be running theoretical polls showing Trump vs. Bloomberg in tight races. Just watch.
Bloomberg will be portrayed as a successful moderate statesman businessman who is a mild mannered alternative to the racist dominant alpha male Trump.
This won’t help:
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/02/17/bloomberg-2011-young-black-latino-men-dont-know-how-to-behave-in-the-workplace/
There is this too:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/
The catch is, there is a large portion of the people who bitch about those behaviors the most who suddenly won't care about Bloomberg doing it.
Much like Republicans/Conservatives that claim to be staunch 2nd Amendment advocates that suddenly don't care about infringements when enacted by Republicans.
The_War_Wagon
02-18-20, 18:43
:jester:
http://youtu.be/Jo5ky7Yk_1g
By skipping most of the primary process and the early debates Bloomberg has avoided the race to appeal to the woke far left base of the Democratic Party. That could make him much more competitive in the general as there isn't a lot of ammunition available to paint him as far left and unappealing to moderates and independents.
Historically he's run and won as a Republican, though only at the state level and only in NY (admittedly not the same as a red state). Still, it could also allow him to appear moderate in an attempt to appeal to independents and even some establishment Republican voters.
He's spending enough that he will be on equal footing in terms of name recognition with someone like Trump or Clinton, and running as a Dem with the MSM in his pocket would likely avoid having to answer much in the way of tough questions.
Establishment Republicans/Never-Trumpers might see him as preferable to Trump, as Bloomberg would likely signal a return to business-as-usual in DC, and because the Republican establishment seems to prefer being the minority party and letting the Democrats run the country while they sit back and fund raise by complaining and playing the underdog.
Correct assessment.
SomeOtherGuy
02-18-20, 19:43
There is way to much analysis going on right now with Bloomberg and comments he made in the past about certain workers or size of soda beverage. All of that will be swept under the rug.
Simple math question - not rhetorical, I don't know the answer: can Bloomberg win, as a Dem, without any significant support among blacks, Latinos, and farmers? I don't see any of those groups voting for him; I see the first two staying home en masse if he's the D candidate. How does the remaining blue collar and rural vote compare to Dems ex-minorities?
SomeOtherGuy
02-18-20, 19:43
unintended double tap. Will replace my forum disco.
I echo a few who have posted on this but there's no way that Bloomberg can win the minority vote. Policies enacted and further "enhanced" under his tenure as Mayor of NY and the scrutiny he's under now, no way he converts. Then look at Bernie's supporters: the only word that comes to mind is rabid and uneducated. We all saw what happened in 2016 when Hillary "won" the nomination, a lot of Bernie's supporters jumped ship and voted for Trump in swing states due to the populous message. Same thing could happen again, but maybe not in such high numbers.
As for Hillary, does she really strike anyone as someone who would settle for VP, a position that for the most part is lofted in tradition than in actual responsibility? At least with state, she could build her intelligence network, champion Libyan intervention, and spearheaded support for the insurgency in Syria and others in the Arab spring.
Time will tell.
Simple math question - not rhetorical, I don't know the answer: can Bloomberg win, as a Dem, without any significant support among blacks, Latinos, and farmers? I don't see any of those groups voting for him; I see the first two staying home en masse if he's the D candidate. How does the remaining blue collar and rural vote compare to Dems ex-minorities?
If they are registered as democrats, why do you think they wouldn't vote for him?
SomeOtherGuy
02-18-20, 21:46
If they are registered as democrats, why do you think they wouldn't vote for him?
Because:
1) showing up is hard work - you are aware of all the effort made in normal years to get Dems to show up at polls?
2) people who are directly insulted don't tend to reward the person insulting them, and it's going to be worse than usual when it's a short, ultra-arrogant, ultra-rich guy with no charisma.
3) a potential D voter who is not white, working a blue-collar job, and descended from farmers or farm laborers in the last few generations has three independent reasons to be offended by this clown.
4) despite the strong historical ties of minorities to Dems, Trump has made major inroads and despite his many flaws has a lot of appeal for blue collar "ordinary" people in general, especially the ones who don't excel in critical thinking.
The Dems' usual problem is with a candidate who simply doesn't motivate the minority portion of their base, not someone who is actively hyper-offensive to them. Bloomberg's speeches come across as raving hostility based on race and class, and they are very recent, not something 40+ years ago he can try to pretend was a different era.
Bloomberg could probably get votes from the college-educated white middle to upper class Dems, similarly situated Asians, plus a portion of the white RINOs who are publicly "never Trump." He will be actively shunned by blacks, Hispanics, blue-collar manufacturing or skilled trade types, and farmers. He will get no zeal from the rest of the supposedly reliable D base like the career welfare users. His candidacy is total opposite-world for the diverse and super-fragmented voter base the Dems have been creating in the last 2-3 decades.
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This in a nutshell. If you look closely between Giuliani and Bloomberg's reign, they're shockingly similar. At their core, both are authoritarians, period.
I don't think some people realize what type of fight we have on our hands.
Bloomberg has a very likely chance at beating Trump.
There are two sides of this.
First, getting complacent about a Trump victory is the worst thing that anyone can do (including Trump himself). The Democrats were so complacent that Hillary would win in 2016 that many of them did not even bother voting because they really did not like her.
On the other hand, I think a Bloomberg candidacy will alienate a large part of the left and the left and the Bernie supporters. This could lead to them not voting at all or voting for a third party candidate. If Bernie got another screwjob I am not sure that he will honor his commitment to support the democratic candidate and not run as a third party candidate. This would work out well for Trump by splitting the opposition voters.
Grand58742
02-19-20, 07:52
Bloomberg has to win FL and PA, specifically the Philadelphia area. All the east coast liberals that fled high taxes live in FL.
He will have the support of the following:
1. Mainstream democrats
2. Moderates that think trump is too mean and racist.
3. Big business / pro illegal immigrant factions
4. The deep state Bush crew and other statists
5. Romney/McCain type RINOs
6. A significant amount of hollywood, media, education system establishment, etc
7. The Clinton and Obama machines
8. The globalist illuminati / George Soros types
Bloomberg's money itself is almost an insurmountable obstacle. He has 5 - 15 times more money than Trump depending on what net worth estimation you reference.
There is a reason why Bloomberg is running. It is their only chance at defeating Trump.
There is way to much analysis going on right now with Bloomberg and comments he made in the past about certain workers or size of soda beverage. All of that will be swept under the rug.
In a month, the media will be running theoretical polls showing Trump vs. Bloomberg in tight races. Just watch.
Bloomberg will be portrayed as a successful moderate statesman businessman who is a mild mannered alternative to the racist dominant alpha male Trump.
Your list is basically Hillary 2.0 with the exception of the Obama machine. I don't think he wins that with the minority vote. The rest is a given, but is it enough to overcome the advantage Trump has been growing for himself over the last four years?
I already stated the media will be complicit in covering up Bloomberg's past political faux pas and will laugh them off. However, they've already been reported enough in the past that it's impossible to cover up at this point.
It'll be a fight, but I still don't see the map flipping around.
Simple math question - not rhetorical, I don't know the answer: can Bloomberg win, as a Dem, without any significant support among blacks, Latinos, and farmers? I don't see any of those groups voting for him; I see the first two staying home en masse if he's the D candidate. How does the remaining blue collar and rural vote compare to Dems ex-minorities?
Yes he can.
He still will have a majority of support from black/latinos. A voting bloc that votes overwhelming left.
He will also have support from a significant swath of moderates/RINOs/statist/deep state to make up for any lost minority vote. See my previous post.
Your list is basically Hillary 2.0 with the exception of the Obama machine.
I don't agree.
There were a number of moderates/idiots last time that sat out or voted 3rd party because they didn't like Hillary or Trump, but would have voted for someone like McCain/Romney.
My sister's in-laws are retarded and are exactly like this. Just happen to be from Iowa also, where all these retards like that exist.
Bloomberg is exactly what they want.
Grand58742
02-19-20, 09:12
I don't agree.
There were a number of moderates/idiots last time that sat out or voted 3rd party because they didn't like Hillary or Trump, but would have voted for someone like McCain/Romney.
My sister's in-laws are retarded and are exactly like this. Just happen to be from Iowa also, where all these retards like that exist.
Bloomberg is exactly what they want.
I think there are a number of moderates/idiots that also have seen what's been going on the past three years in regards to Trump and are angered by both sides of the equation. Biggest thing to take away from 2016 that can (and probably will) repeat in 2020 is the revolt of the people.
Trump wasn't elected, but more installed by a revolution of the people against the system that had been operating for years. They were fed up with having to pick the bad or worse choice deemed by the elite few in the major parties that controlled such things.
Enter Trump who didn't talk like a politician, didn't act like a politician and moreover, wasn't afraid to rock the political boat. The media as well as both political parties and pundits alike tried everything to destroy him before November 2016. The people saw this and weren't afraid to go against the system and put in a man of questionable character when he clearly wasn't the best "political" choice. The GOP figured it out and let things play out with what the people wanted. The DNC and media still haven't figured it out and keeps attacking him which is going to ensure his reelection.
Again, Bloomberg has way too much political baggage to be a viable choice for moderates. You and I both agree the media will do its best to cover it up, but the reporting on it was done years ago and it's way too easy to give the 30 second paid campaign commercial exposing his idiocy over the years. They aren't going to collect the Bernie vote with Bloomberg, they aren't going to collect the minority vote and they aren't going to gain the Rust Belt vote.
I just don't see Bloomberg pulling in the centrist Republicans or even the independent voters.
SomeOtherGuy
02-19-20, 10:21
He still will have a majority of support from black/latinos. A voting bloc that votes overwhelming left.
We're just going to disagree on this one. Anyone with more skill than Jeb Bush could absolutely savage Bloomberg over his recent record. Trump has actually gained some support with those groups, and the remaining 80% or so will stay home or skip that office on their ballot instead of voting for someone who openly insults and hates them.
I'm sure that DNC/Bloomberg proponents would try to do all the usual DNC ballot manipulation fakery, but as far as I can tell that relies on lots of people at the grassroots level who just won't be energized to support Bloomberg that way.
He will also have support from a significant swath of moderates/RINOs/statist/deep state to make up for any lost minority vote. See my previous post.
I agree he could get most of this group, I just question if that's enough.
Again, Bloomberg has way too much political baggage to be a viable choice for moderates. You and I both agree the media will do its best to cover it up, but the reporting on it was done years ago and it's way too easy to give the 30 second paid campaign commercial exposing his idiocy over the years.
Important to remember that there are tons of independent media outlets on the middle left and far left, and they will not toe the line for Bloomberg or anyone similar. The increasingly irrelevant major TV networks and few remaining newspapers (like Jeff Bezos' blog) will happily cheer Bloomberg, but far-left active voters don't get their news from those any more.
The Dems have been sowing hyper-classification and grudge mentalities for decades, they are going to reap what they sow.
Remember that AOC came from nowhere to defeat a 10-term "D" Congressman in a safe D district in NYC. She won with a socialist message and support of an openly socialist group, plus playing to race/color politics.
I just don't see Bloomberg pulling in the centrist Republicans or even the independent voters.
This is where we will have to disagree.
I see him being popular with that group, low information centrist type voters. I can think of 20 people in my personal life that would take Bloomberg over Trump (that sat out of the last election) because they didn't like Trump.
Life's a Hillary
02-19-20, 11:18
This is where we will have to disagree.
I see him being popular with that group, low information centrist type voters. I can think of 20 people in my personal life that would take Bloomberg over Trump (that sat out of the last election) because they didn't like Trump.
This 100%. There are plenty of centrist types that don’t care about guns but are mostly conservative and they hate Trump. Forums like this are a little bubble that doesn’t reflect the greater population.
Grand58742
02-19-20, 11:21
This is where we will have to disagree.
I see him being popular with that group, low information centrist type voters. I can think of 20 people in my personal life that would take Bloomberg over Trump (that sat out of the last election) because they didn't like Trump.
I don't though, so we'll agree to disagree.
I do think the DNC has placed themselves into an impossible position. You have two factions of the party that just cannot get along. You have your far left socialist portion which is supporting Bernie and your more middle of the road "traditional" Democrats who would support someone like Biden or Bloomberg. Here's the thing...
If the DNC nominates Bernie, they lose that middle of the road block. While they dislike Trump, they aren't going to be happy with what Bernie would want to do. If they nominate someone like Biden or Bloomberg, they lose the Bernie vote. In short, they screwed themselves by letting Bernie declare himself as a Democrat (especially since he's an Independent outside of election season) and letting him use their "machine" during primaries.
Bloomberg has enough out there to show he wants a very left agenda. Centrists and left-republicans will see this. But, so will Hispanics and blacks, and although some will vote for Trump, most will vote for whoever is the democrat candidate.
If Bloomberg gets the nomination it will be interesting to watch the MSM and ComDem spin it will take to support him. Bloombucks is exactly what the current candidates and party have been railing against- an openly racist, super rich old white guy. That is who the ComDems want standing behind the curtain with an open checkbook not out front leading the show.
If Bloomberg gets the nomination it will be interesting to watch the MSM and ComDem spin it will take to support him. Bloombucks is exactly what the current candidates and party have been railing against- an openly racist, super rich old white guy. That is who the ComDems want standing behind the curtain with an open checkbook not out front leading the show.
But he's THEIR openly racist, super rich old white guy, one who promises all sorts of freebies and who (according to them) has been there, done that in NYC delivering the people from evil.
Grand58742
02-19-20, 13:56
But he's THEIR openly racist, super rich old white guy, one who promises all sorts of freebies and who (according to them) has been there, done that in NYC delivering the people from evil.
As a Republican lol
Bet that part is conveniently left out...
Business_Casual
02-19-20, 15:16
Remember that AOC came from nowhere to defeat a 10-term "D" Congressman in a safe D district in NYC. She won with a socialist message and support of an openly socialist group, plus playing to race/color politics.
Not so sure that tells the tale of what happened in that election. He didn’t bother to campaign in person and she ran a community organizer end-run on him. She didn’t pile up a huge margin to win.
Grand58742
02-19-20, 16:39
Not so sure that tells the tale of what happened in that election. He didn’t bother to campaign in person and she ran a community organizer end-run on him. She didn’t pile up a huge margin to win.
Same thing with our esteemed Democratic Representative out here in deep red Oklahoma. She ran a great ground game and beat the incumbent because he thought he had the election sewn up.
I can flat guarantee you she's a one hit wonder though and will be challenged/defeated this November.
The_War_Wagon
02-19-20, 19:41
Redrum! Redrum! (Hillary's hittin' it hard AGAIN!)
http://youtu.be/VhIH9F6QfIo
Off topic but if I were the DNC I'd want to run Guttieg as Prez and beg M. Obama to be his Vice Prez.
Think about it. It would bring that extra excitement to get people to want to vote for them.
With them and the increasing vote fraud I think they'd have a real chance against Trump. If not, definitely could try again next time.
Grand58742
02-19-20, 21:51
I'm watching the DNC debates tonight. I will give Bloomberg this, he's going Trump style on his opponents and calling them out on stage. I don't think he steals voters away from Bernie, but I could see him pulling ahead of Biden, Buttigieg and Klobachar on Super Tuesday.
Grand58742
02-20-20, 07:23
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titsonritz
02-20-20, 13:30
I'm watching the DNC debates tonight. I will give Bloomberg this, he's going Trump style on his opponents and calling them out on stage. I don't think he steals voters away from Bernie, but I could see him pulling ahead of Biden, Buttigieg and Klobachar on Super Tuesday.
I don't know, they were slapping him around pretty hard IMO.
Grand58742
02-20-20, 13:35
I don't know, they were slapping him around pretty hard IMO.
I thought he recovered towards the end and had some good punches of his own against Bernie. They specifically put him on the defensive to avoid letting him talk about his policy ideas...which is probably a good thing since they aren't as crazy as everyone else on stage.
I don't think he had a good debate, but I'd bet he's about to go full Trump on the others in the next debate and on the road.
Dirk Williams
02-20-20, 14:26
You guys are aware the Pete the butt plug, is a Marxist right?. Family and doctrine since his early days were flying the Marxist flag.
DW
I echo a few who have posted on this but there's no way that Bloomberg can win the minority vote. Policies enacted and further "enhanced" under his tenure as Mayor of NY and the scrutiny he's under now, no way he converts. Then look at Bernie's supporters: the only word that comes to mind is rabid and uneducated. We all saw what happened in 2016 when Hillary "won" the nomination, a lot of Bernie's supporters jumped ship and voted for Trump in swing states due to the populous message. Same thing could happen again, but maybe not in such high numbers.
As for Hillary, does she really strike anyone as someone who would settle for VP, a position that for the most part is lofted in tradition than in actual responsibility? At least with state, she could build her intelligence network, champion Libyan intervention, and spearheaded support for the insurgency in Syria and others in the Arab spring.
Time will tell.
A couple of points. On Bloomberg, you're forgetting that he's the 10th richest oligarch in the WORLD. All he has to do is write a few checks and minority block leaders will line up to endorse him. All he has to do is work a deal and have Obama/Michelle endorse him, then all that other stuff will fade to the background. Yes it will infuriate hardcore Bernie Bro communists, but no one likes them anyway, not even themselves.
As for Hillary? LOL VP is tailor made to reinvigorate her "foundation" fundraising, which has tanked since she lost. If she raked in all that money as SoS, imagine what she could rake in as VP? Then there's always the chance POTUS croaks in office and she's in charge. Money and power are all it takes to entice her.
Same thing with our esteemed Democratic Representative out here in deep red Oklahoma. She ran a great ground game and beat the incumbent because he thought he had the election sewn up.
I can flat guarantee you she's a one hit wonder though and will be challenged/defeated this November.
Horn is Bloomberg funded too. Even if she loses, I'll bet Bloomberg pockets even more political offices this election cycle than he did in 2018. I will say he got savaged last night. It was written all over his face that he's unaccustomed to being spoken to like that, which was glorious. Google news merely states that he's ready to move on from his first debate. It was so bad Yahoo doesn't even have it anywhere near the top of their news results. It's as if it didn't even happen! LOL
It's possible that Bloomberg realized last night that buying a POTUS would be easier than buying the Oval Office. Still, he did shrug it off publicly and warned that Trump won last night, as a warning to Dem voters. Bernie is still running to win and Bloomberg is running to force a brokered convention he can buy. It's his only chance to face Trump.
sundance435
02-20-20, 14:41
I thought he recovered towards the end and had some good punches of his own against Bernie. They specifically put him on the defensive to avoid letting him talk about his policy ideas...which is probably a good thing since they aren't as crazy as everyone else on stage.
I don't think he had a good debate, but I'd bet he's about to go full Trump on the others in the next debate and on the road.
I watched 20 minutes of it in the second hour, so apparently I missed his terrible performance in the first hour, but I thought Bloomberg gave better than he got in the 20 minutes I watched. Elizabeth Warren just sounded like a screeching suburban soccer mom. Her peddling to minority voters was obsequious - I hope they can see through that crap. Bloomberg gave the only answer I think you should when someone uses the fact that you were able to make $60 billion in America as a criticism, like it's worthy of shame - I worked hard for it. His zinger to Bernie was perfect, basically, isn't America great? I can make $60 billion and a socialist can be a millionaire with 3 homes.
That said, we'll see whether $500 million is enough to avoid the retail side of politics. His debate answers will not endear him to the more boisterous, reactionary elements of that party, but I don't think that's what he's trying for at all. His lane is narrow, which is why they leaked a memo about other candidates dropping out. He is the most credible "beat Trump" candidate in the over-50 middle class demographic and that's where his support comes from...and they vote. Those people aren't persuaded nearly as much by emotion.
In the end, I don't think he has a legitimate shot at the nomination in a party that has skewed the way it has over the last 8 years, but Super Tuesday will tell. I doubt whether even Obama could win it with his 8-year record. It's truly a strange day when he (Obama) would now be considered a moderate in your party.
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