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Just got the new IWI Zion-15.
Obviously haven't been to the range with it yet but this feels like a excellent quality rifle.
If you've purchased complete rifles from other big names (DD, BCM, Ect) you'll feel a familiar quality. All staking looks great including the castle nut. Upgraded furniture is a nice touch. This is my first time using the B5 grip wit texture and I LOVE it. I may like it more than the K2 that's on literally every other AR I own. Some of you might recognize the rail design.
Thinking I'll probably move my Accupower over to this rifle for now.
Also have some FCD goodies on the way already.
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At least they aren’t a dollar short
EDIT: That may sound negative. I mean, though they are coming in long after the AR market had fully matured, it seems that they didn’t cheap out on materials.
Looking forward to range reports. The price point is solidly under BCM and Colt.
At least they aren’t a dollar shortHahahaha. The reason they started with an AR was to get a manufacturing facility up and running here in the US. And why not start with the most popular, best selling rifle in the country?
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Hahahaha. The reason they started with an AR was to get a manufacturing facility up and running here in the US. And why not start with the most popular, best selling rifle in the country?
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Yeah, I was editing my comment when you sent this. I agree, probably a good choice on their part.
justin_247
04-19-20, 14:25
The reason they started with an AR was to get a manufacturing facility up and running here in the US.
What exactly are they manufacturing? The rail looks to be a custom design from Cross Machine & Tool, the furniture is B5 Systems, the upper receiver is a Brass Aluminum forging... The Firearm Blog claims that IWI doesn't make the BCG or the barrel, either.
What exactly are they manufacturing? The rail looks to be a custom design from Cross Machine & Tool, the furniture is B5 Systems, the upper receiver is a Brass Aluminum forging... The Firearm Blog claims that IWI doesn't make the BCG or the barrel, either.
The rollmark, baby.
What exactly are they manufacturing? The rail looks to be a custom design from Cross Machine & Tool, the furniture is B5 Systems, the upper receiver is a Brass Aluminum forging... The Firearm Blog claims that IWI doesn't make the BCG or the barrel, either.
Just like a lot of AR-15 "manufacturers..."
They must be busy. They are hiring assembly line workers and offering $13.50 an hour. I know assembling an AR isn't rocket science but it is hard to find hamburger assembly line workers for $13.50 an hour.
justin_247
04-19-20, 16:21
The rollmark, baby.
Just like a lot of AR-15 "manufacturers..."
My point exactly. Surely the OP is aware of this, but he's sure acting like he's not...
seems like a very nice rifle coming in at a very competitive price point and feature set (stock, grip, rail, full-auto bcg). I'm sure it will sell very well if IMI will be able to get it to their dealers and store displays.
IKnowNotEverything
04-19-20, 16:33
What does the barrel profile look like on these?
My point exactly. Surely the OP is aware of this, but he's sure acting like he's not...
Not acting like anything. Simply stating what they've said in their SHOT show video. Maybe I should have said assembly?
Either way, they stated the point was to begin abilities here in the US to support Israeli built rifles and possibly future capabilities to produce them State side.
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What does the barrel profile look like on these?Website States SOCOM profile. Here is a phone pic.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200419/03913db180a5852078fef5cb36f6212f.jpg
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justin_247
04-19-20, 18:28
Website States SOCOM profile. Here is a phone pic.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200419/03913db180a5852078fef5cb36f6212f.jpg
Not a bad profile, but that's not SOCOM. Looks similar to the Ballistic Advantage "performance" profile.
Here's an example of a SOCOM profile barrel, from BCM's site:
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-16115g8ghe/images/stencil/640w/products/1696/5312/BCM-BRL-s-M4%20SOCOM%2016%20STD-2__58795.1571674595.jpg?c=1
Also has neither a chrome lined barrel or even cheap-ass nitriding (according to the website).
Also has neither a chrome lined barrel or even cheap-ass nitriding (according to the website).
Sounds like the target barrels that Rock River sells.
I asked someone at IWI....
"It is 4150cmv, nitride in an out. Gas port is 0.078" IIRC. The barrel profile isn't quite SOCOM, but isn't quite government or Hbar either.
We did accuracy checks several times over 10,000 rounds of testing and it holds up very well."
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Biggest question I have right now: Legal in MD? I’m guessing not, based on the barrel profile. I know they referred to it as SOCOM-profile, but it is narrower, and it wouldn’t be helpful if their reps are stating it is not HBAR.
The rollmark, baby.
That's what I'm in for!!!
Edit: Explaining, I like to buy lowers with cool looking roll marks for the rifles I assemble. So far, CMT and Sionics are my favorites. Palmetto and Anderson made the show when I was young and dumb, but boy those are butt-ugly rollmarks.
But, to my point, I'm not a fan of the Israeli government, not a fan of the government, folks, please differentiate that from the Jewish faith. Based on that, I'm a little concerned about IWI opening small arms production on U/S/ shores. When I googled IWI ties to Israeli government and then IWI privatizationthis is what I found:
Israel Weapon Industries (IWI), formerly the Magen division of the Israel Military Industries Ltd. (IMI), is an Israeli firearms manufacturer. It was founded in 1933. Formerly owned by the State of Israel, in 2005, the Small Arms Division of IMI was privatized and renamed IWI.
IWI is one of the world's most famous and bestselling military arms manufacturers.[2] The Magen division rose to international prominence in the 1950s, as the creator of the Uzi, of which over 10 million would be produced, netting billions of dollars for the company.
Do we really think IWI has completely broken ties with their Government? Do we want them building factories on our shores?
That's what I'm in for!!!
Edit: Explaining, I like to buy lowers with cool looking roll marks for the rifles I assemble. So far, CMT and Sionics are my favorites. Palmetto and Anderson made the show when I was young and dumb, but boy those are butt-ugly rollmarks.
I get you. If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I would have a stripped lower receiver collection, (basically a rollmark collection).
As far as rollmarks, I have a Spike's A2 HBAR, and I think the spider logo looks goofy as hell. Wish they'd come up with something else.
Regarding foreign companies setting up factories here, HK, CZ, Zastava USA, and others seem to be doing OK. I wouldn't worry too much about the Israelis. They're already providing the Active Protection System for the M1 Abrams (and possibly other vehicles), the F-35's helmet system, and who knows what other odds and ends.
Do we really think IWI has completely broken ties with their Government? Do we want them building factories on our shores?
Probably not completely, but I don't see the problem with them building factories here. They're a player in the market, so having US factories is only a good thing if you ask me. But then again, I'm reasonably pro-Israeli gov't, so I'm not looking for problems. If you don't like them, chances are you'll see nefariousness in everything they do.
As far as rollmarks, I have a Spike's A2 HBAR, and I think the spider logo looks goofy as hell. Wish they'd come up with something else.
Regarding foreign companies setting up factories here, HK, CZ, Zastava USA, and others seem to be doing OK. I wouldn't worry too much about the Israelis. They're already providing the Active Protection System for the M1 Abrams (and possibly other vehicles), the F-35's helmet system, and who knows what other odds and ends.
You make good points, I'd add Glock to the list.
Cincinnatus15
04-20-20, 12:46
HPT/MPI?
Cincinnatus15
04-20-20, 12:49
At the price point, IF everything is made to "mil-spec" it would be a no brainer. Does anyone know if they're gtg or what they're lacking?
Do we really think IWI has completely broken ties with their Government? Do we want them building factories on our shores?
Maybe I'm just running on too little sleep, but why would I care that IWI is hiring Americans to run their factories in the US? HK did the same thing, as have many other manufacturers.
My only complaint is the cost of ammo currently. We should have been seeing it cheaper pre-virus.
OP- enjoy the rifle. Let us know how it shoots and how it holds up.
Threw some stuff on it todayhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200420/2e9935310a8d4ecfc2ed7456df8020f3.jpg
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Pictures are great... But we want rounds down range!
Looking nice. At this price point, I’d like it to become a new-shooter go to. All the raw materials are there...just needs to be proven on assembly and usage.
peashooter76
04-20-20, 15:26
Do you know how the gas block is held in place, set screws, pinned?
Pictures are great... But we want rounds down range!
Looking nice. At this price point, I’d like it to become a new-shooter go to. All the raw materials are there...just needs to be proven on assembly and usage.Unfortunately I don't have my land. Shooting ranges are closed here.
Barrel is dimpled under the gas block. Set screws.
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Maybe I'm just running on too little sleep, but why would I care that IWI is hiring Americans to run their factories in the US? HK did the same thing, as have many other manufacturers.
My only complaint is the cost of ammo currently. We should have been seeing it cheaper pre-virus.
As I said in my initial post, I simply am not a fan of the Israeli Government and I'm unsure how much the Israeli Government still controls IWI.
Maybe rephrasing the question would clarify my concern 'Do we want a company potentially controlled by a foreign government building a factory on our shores?'
Remember Israel recently signed management/control of Haifa Harbor over to a Chinese company, and I'm pretty sure most of us believe that ALL Chinese companies have connections to the Chinese government.
As far as rollmarks, I have a Spike's A2 HBAR, and I think the spider logo looks goofy as hell. Wish they'd come up with something else.
Another response to the first sentence in your post, about 3rd or 4th post down:
https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/buying-complete-lowers-what-is-the-verdict-between-spikes-or-sandw-complete-lowers?reply=21428017707861302
Another response to the first sentence in your post, about 3rd or 4th post down:
https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/buying-complete-lowers-what-is-the-verdict-between-spikes-or-sandw-complete-lowers?reply=21428017707861302
True that.
mebiuspower
04-21-20, 15:22
As I said in my initial post, I simply am not a fan of the Israeli Government and I'm unsure how much the Israeli Government still controls IWI.
Maybe rephrasing the question would clarify my concern 'Do we want a company potentially controlled by a foreign government building a factory on our shores?'
Remember Israel recently signed management/control of Haifa Harbor over to a Chinese company, and I'm pretty sure most of us believe that ALL Chinese companies have connections to the Chinese government.
Am I on arfcom?
Would much rather have an Israeli company open shop here than say, Chinese or Turkish.
Anyway, good looking rifle Pyzik. Looking forward to a range report. The more (quality) options out there the better I say.
Am I on arfcom?
No, you aren't, thanks for your great contribution to the convo.
As I said in my initial post, I simply am not a fan of the Israeli Government and I'm unsure how much the Israeli Government still controls IWI.
Maybe rephrasing the question would clarify my concern 'Do we want a company potentially controlled by a foreign government building a factory on our shores?'
Remember Israel recently signed management/control of Haifa Harbor over to a Chinese company, and I'm pretty sure most of us believe that ALL Chinese companies have connections to the Chinese government.
The Israelis are our best ally in the Middle East. I’m curious from where you draw this notion of Israel being the boogy man.
Let’s not go down that rabbit hole here.
The Israelis are our best ally in the Middle East. I’m curious from where you draw this notion of Israel being the boogy man.
Let’s not go down that rabbit hole here.
JediGuy has a good point. Sent you a PM.
Madmartigan
04-27-20, 21:16
If it was manufactured at the HQ in Ramat HaSharon.. high praises.. but the PA plant.. as of 2014.. was nothing more then an import hub for the real IWI facility overseas, I have seen some videos where it's mentioned that it's totally manufactured in PA.. which isn't exciting.. the gun is also cheap.
If it was manufactured at the HQ in Ramat HaSharon.. high praises.. but the PA plant.. as of 2014.. was nothing more then an import hub for the real IWI facility overseas, I have seen some videos where it's mentioned that it's totally manufactured in PA.. which isn't exciting.. the gun is also cheap.
If Pa plant is an import hub then wouldn't the rifle be manufactured in HaSharon?
Does the place of manufacturing have to be exciting or just good? Would it be a better rifle if it was made in some exotic or interesting place? Are you buying the rifle or the Made In _____ stamp?
What is "cheap"? Never having heard of this rifle I looked it up. Prior to Coronavirus all prices seem to be close to standard Colt 6920.
Madmartigan
04-27-20, 23:09
If Pa plant is an import hub then wouldn't the rifle be manufactured in HaSharon?
You can hope looking at the specs and price(899msrp) which the real world shelf is $699?.. The various videos ive watched shedding light on its release I think not, it sounds like perhaps another US OEM parts AR with the IWI name.
Does the place of manufacturing have to be exciting or just good? Would it be a better rifle if it was made in some exotic or interesting place? Are you buying the rifle or the Made In _____ stamp?
Perhaps this is personal preference.. however for me to know that it was indeed manufactured purely in Israel with their own hammer forging process, field experience.. this would for sure inspire greater confidence and very well be exciting(for me) also a higher price point, well deserved IMO. Otherwise just chalk it up there next to savage arms/springfield armory/ruger, a quick throw together from various OEM US manufactures..with said "brand" stamped on gets pretty boring, every shotshow some US rifle/pistol manufacture seems to make another johnny come lately AR throw together.
I suppose the right analogy is you can simply have another random X brand AKM variant, which are more then plentiful today or you could have the rare breed RK62/MK62, some things based on origin do often get the well deserved top shelf craftsmanship and a furthering in engineering.. this ground hog's day peanut butter and jelly is getting old.
If Glock made an AR.. manufactured in Austria assembled in Georgia you wouldn't be excited?
If Diemaco Colt Canada decided to release C7 C8 and MRR variants to the US civilian market you wouldn't be excited?
What is "cheap"? Never having heard of this rifle I looked it up. Prior to Coronavirus all prices seem to be close to standard Colt 6920.
Bear creek arsenal makes a $350 dollar AR when it goes on sale.. perhaps that's what some people would consider cheap, are the 6920 Socom's @ 3g's yet on gunbroker?
You can hope looking at the specs and price(899msrp) which the real world shelf is $699?.. The various videos ive watched shedding light on its release I think not, it sounds like perhaps another US OEM parts AR with the IWI name.
Perhaps this is personal preference.. however for me to know that it was indeed manufactured purely in Israel with their own hammer forging process, field experience.. this would for sure inspire greater confidence and very well be exciting(for me) also a higher price point, well deserved IMO. Otherwise just chalk it up there next to savage arms/springfield armory/ruger, a quick throw together from various OEM US manufactures..with said "brand" stamped on gets pretty boring, every shotshow some US rifle/pistol manufacture seems to make another johnny come lately AR throw together.
I suppose the right analogy is you can simply have another random X brand AKM variant, which are more then plentiful today or you could have the rare breed RK62/MK62, some things based on origin do often get the well deserved top shelf craftsmanship and a furthering in engineering.. this ground hog's day peanut butter and jelly is getting old.
If Glock made an AR.. manufactured in Austria assembled in Georgia you wouldn't be excited?
If Diemaco Colt Canada decided to release C7 C8 and MRR variants to the US civilian market you wouldn't be excited?
Bear creek arsenal makes a $350 dollar AR when it goes on sale.. perhaps that's what some people would consider cheap, are the 6920 Socom's @ 3g's yet on gunbroker?
If Glock made ARs on the moon I wouldn't be excited. If HK made ARs in Shangri La I wouldn't care......unless there is a specific reason.
I don't know I don't shop on GunBroker and don't use it as a guide to anything. Again, I've never heard of this thing till now but checking prices it was about $100-150 less than a basic 6920 here
GANDR has them in stock, very attractively priced: https://www.gandrtactical.com/IWI-Zion-15-556-NATO-AR15_p_2538.html
Nice rifle with premium features. Might not be exactly what some folks are looking for, but definitely (in my opinion) offers a competitive package at a good entry price for an average AR buyer. Durability, I think should be no better or worse than a majority of mid-tier ARs.
IWI is one of the few companies in the world who have a long and well-respected lineage of building top-tier military weapons for many countries; and have their own unique heritage of engineering specialists. I'm pretty sure they won't release anything substandard to the market.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one especially at that price. I don't think that price will last long, especially before the November.
If it is assembled well, I don’t think there is a better offering anywhere for that kind of price.
The Israelis are our best ally in the Middle East. I’m curious from where you draw this notion of Israel being the boogy man.
We don't have any friends in the Middle East.
Voodoochild
05-27-20, 07:18
Keep this ON TOPIC!!
On topic.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200527/4dd3784d6bdd5eea00187ff6ab7c034e.jpg
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Fuzzy-Reticle
07-06-20, 15:20
I have had one for several months now.
I got it because it was priced decent and I am a fan of IWI. I own an original Galil ARM 392, UZI Model B, X95, and thought having an IWI AR would be fun.
The overall fit and finish and quality control is excellent. Pyzik is correct when he says if you are familiar with DD or BCM or other higher end rifles this will feel similar. Is it a KAC or DD? No it is not but it definitely is not garbage either. I have just over 700 rounds through it so far. Nothing special as far as round count goes by any means but it has been 100% reliable so far. I added a Larue MBT trigger to mine even though the OEM trigger was good. The OEM trigger felt similar to a BCM trigger IMHO. It shoots well enough. All of the rounds I have put through it so far have been Federal Black Pack 55gr .223 and without trying hard at all it puts them in a rough 2 MOA group. It is not a lights out bull barrel target rifle but it is more capable than I am with my nearly 50 year old eyes.
I will eventually put better glass on it. Right now its got a Vortex Diamondback 4-12 that works well enough but I want something better on it.
I don't have any complaints about the Zion15 and would recommend it to anyone who cared to ask. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Good enough with bulk ammo.
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Maybe I'm just running on too little sleep, but why would I care that IWI is hiring Americans to run their factories in the US? HK did the same thing, as have many other manufacturers.
My only complaint is the cost of ammo currently. We should have been seeing it cheaper pre-virus.
My thought almost as well but with no sleep issue.
I just named my new born son Zion and I'm looking for one of these. Can't find one sonic y'all can point me in the right direction. Looks great for the price.
For what it is worth for those that have concern, IWI went through a privatization process and is no longer owned by the government. If memory serves me correct, the government now owns zero part of the company.
I also am not a fan of the Israeli government, it is way to liberal.
Bumping this for ongoing updates.
Still checks all the right boxes at an excellent price.
I know the last post here was in July, but I thought I'd chime in here and say that I decided to buy a Zion 15 because of the price: $800, and the features it comes with: mid-length gas system, 16" button-rifled chrome lined 1:8 heavy barrel, B-5 stock and grip, 15" MLOK rail. I have been scouting around for an AR and have been reading everything I can online in forums, like this one, and so forth and made a list of features I thought would fit my purposes and needs and then read more about the Zion 15. I was a bit hesitant because it is new, but figured given the situation, I took the plunge.
I know the last post here was in July, but I thought I'd chime in here and say that I decided to buy a Zion 15 because of the price: $800, and the features it comes with: mid-length gas system, 16" button-rifled chrome lined 1:8 heavy barrel, B-5 stock and grip, 15" MLOK rail. I have been scouting around for an AR and have been reading everything I can online in forums, like this one, and so forth and made a list of features I thought would fit my purposes and needs and then read more about the Zion 15. I was a bit hesitant because it is new, but figured given the situation, I took the plunge.
And what is your impression?
Reliable? Accurate? Lives up to your needs?
Mark
I just ordered it and I hope to have it very soon. More details later.
As I said in my initial post, I simply am not a fan of the Israeli Government and I'm unsure how much the Israeli Government still controls IWI.
Maybe rephrasing the question would clarify my concern 'Do we want a company potentially controlled by a foreign government building a factory on our shores?'
Remember Israel recently signed management/control of Haifa Harbor over to a Chinese company, and I'm pretty sure most of us believe that ALL Chinese companies have connections to the Chinese government.
Anyone who wants to build a factory in the US to hire US workers is welcome. We send our factories all over the world, why wouldn't we accept a factory? And they're making AR's DUH.
Anyone who wants to build a factory in the US to hire US workers is welcome. We send our factories all over the world, why wouldn't we accept a factory? And they're making AR's DUH.
Apparently, 26 Inf has no comprehension of how things work. FN is here, in the USA, and is making more weapons for the US Military than anyone else, plus does anyone else smell the whiff of Anti-Semitism from this guy?
Don’t start that back up. It was put to bed months ago.
Mrgunsngear
10-28-20, 19:54
https://i.imgur.com/h0NcZFgl.jpg
Mine's going strong so far. A review will be up one of these days...
Apparently, 26 Inf has no comprehension of how things work. FN is here, in the USA, and is making more weapons for the US Military than anyone else, plus does anyone else smell the whiff of Anti-Semitism from this guy?
He seemed to have issues with the Israeli Government, not necessarily the Jewish people, I am getting one(Zion)next week if all pans out.
dissipator_AR
10-28-20, 20:39
I love mine so far. I felt it was a lot of gun for the money and IWI is known for some very good firearms. Last upgrade is an Aim Surplus titanium nitride BCG, which should be here any day now.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201029/c81aad6b2ce34dd9c9e4692fe3b3b7b9.jpg
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Mrgunsngear
11-15-20, 10:36
https://i.imgur.com/h0NcZFgl.jpg
Mine's going strong so far. A review will be up one of these days...
Review is live FWIW:
https://youtu.be/V-L9mW7V6Lg
Been waiting for a solid review, thanks!
Fuzzy-Reticle
11-17-20, 07:48
As of Nov 2020 I dont think you will find a sub $1000 rifle that compares to the IWI. It isn't a Colt,DD,KAC, LMT and it isnt priced like them either. It IS a step or two and maybe 3 above most other commercial rifles in this class. It is a basic rifle that has in my sample of one demonstrated solid performance and excellent build quality and quality control. It is assembled out of solid components and checks a lot of the boxes. It would be hard to go wrong with one of these as a first AR or even as a 5th or 10th AR. Just my two cents.
Review is live FWIW: ] was it gassy with the can?
As of Nov 2020 I dont think you will find a sub $1000 rifle that compares to the IWI. It isn't a Colt,DD,KAC, LMT and it isnt priced like them either. It IS a step or two and maybe 3 above most other commercial rifles in this class. It is a basic rifle that has in my sample of one demonstrated solid performance and excellent build quality and quality control. It is assembled out of solid components and checks a lot of the boxes. It would be hard to go wrong with one of these as a first AR or even as a 5th or 10th AR. Just my two cents. In your opinion, where/how does it fall short of a Colt? If I were to recommend this rifle to a friend as a beater, what caveats should I mention?
Mrgunsngear
11-18-20, 21:11
Been waiting for a solid review, thanks!
Thanks for watching :thank_you2:
I keep clicking on this thread when it gets bumped hoping some of you actually got this thing and shot it. Can we limit this thread to discussion of the rifle, please?
I went through and deleted some post. Keep it about the carbine and do not derail it again.
I keep clicking on this thread when it gets bumped hoping some of you actually got this thing and shot it. Can we limit this thread to discussion of the rifle, please?
Apparently not, because people keep getting stuck on a comment from months ago, then replying and bringing it all up again.
dissipator_AR
11-23-20, 13:16
I love mine so far. I felt it was a lot of gun for the money and IWI is known for some very good firearms. Last upgrade is an Aim Surplus titanium nitride BCG, which should be here any day now.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201029/c81aad6b2ce34dd9c9e4692fe3b3b7b9.jpg
Sent from my LM-V350 using TapatalkFinally shot this thing. I really dig it and am very happy with the investment. I zeroed it in along with my IWI Tavor SAR that I put a new optic on and it was very noticeably more accurate. Really liked 62gr stuff more than 55gr. No issues or malfunctions of any kind, even with the AIM Surplus BCG. Ejection pattern was consistently at 4 o'clock. I would highly recommend this rifle, and not just for the price.
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I had an experience with a TAVOR rifle and I was delighted. IWI (former IMI) is respectable gun manufacturer. Hope you will enjoy your Zion rifle.
Regards,
M.
Mrgunsngear
12-01-20, 18:25
was it gassy with the can?
With the Sandman K... a little. But the can is responsible for that as it ejects "properly" with M193 without it.
Also, FYI they're back in stock here (https://bit.ly/37uxgbk) for $899...
Any more feedback on the Zion?
I really haven't come across anything negative so I recommended this to a friend after hearing about it initially from a local PD guy who purchased solely based on the price. Hopefully will be ordering soon and get out to shoot it a bit and see how it feels when fired back to back with my 16" 6920 and Troy A4 Other
Ordered yesterday. Of course, being behind enemy lines here in New Germany, er, "Jersey" it has to be neutered, stock pinned in place, muzzle device/brake pinned and welded onto barrel in place of the dreaded A2 "flash hider." Hard to come to grips with the insanity of the anti-gun crowd. Rifle goes from 36" to 33" in length with the stock allowed to be moveable. So, rhetorical of course, the gun disappears by being 3 inches shorter?
Stopsign32v
12-16-21, 20:06
They must be busy. They are hiring assembly line workers and offering $13.50 an hour. I know assembling an AR isn't rocket science but it is hard to find hamburger assembly line workers for $13.50 an hour.
Nah man, in manufacturing labor is cheap. And with temp services you are never short of people. Quality people? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
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