Looking for the best Micro red dot sight

[Eurodriver]

Wondering what red dot on the market and readily available is durable and proven, has the least amount of parallax, and is lightweight with the best features. I haven’t really paid much attention to optics lately. I know a lot of have been released. I’ve always just pressed the easy button and gotten a used Aimpoint off the EE.

My gut tells me the best and smallest quality red dot is going to be the T2. Not sure the M5 offers anything over the T2 besides a different battery, and it’s a bit larger than the T2. But again, I haven’t kept up with what new optics have come out in the past few years.

It needs to be readily available (e.g not “wait for SHOT and see what gets released”) as I’m looking to immediately swap out all my old optics (Aimpoint PROs, T1s, H1s) and consolidate my rifles, pistols, 22 trainers, shotguns, etc to one red dot for consistency purposes.

Cost doesn’t matter. Would prefer not to support the CCP but I presume any optic in the “best” category is not made there anyway.

[diving dave]

My opinion, you already said it, the T2. But that having said that replacing a T1 with a T2 is the squeeze worth the juice? Sounds pricey . I have several T1's, a few Chicom ones that have been 100%( I know, I know) and a MRO. To be honest if I was going to pick up another red dot it would be the Trijicon.

[scooter22]

Nothing has the track record of Aimpoint micro series. Therefore, it’s going to be tough to beat the T2, or M5 if you like AAAs.

[docsherm]

Wondering what red dot on the market and readily available is durable and proven, has the least amount of parallax, and is lightweight with the best features. I haven’t really paid much attention to optics lately. I know a lot of have been released. I’ve always just pressed the easy button and gotten a used Aimpoint off the EE.

My gut tells me the best and smallest quality red dot is going to be the T2. Not sure the M5 offers anything over the T2 besides a different battery, and it’s a bit larger than the T2. But again, I haven’t kept up with what new optics have come out in the past few years.

It needs to be readily available (e.g not “wait for SHOT and see what gets released”) as I’m looking to immediately swap out all my old optics (Aimpoint PROs, T1s, H1s) and consolidate my rifles, pistols, 22 trainers, shotguns, etc to one red dot for consistency purposes.

Cost doesn’t matter. Would prefer not to support the CCP but I presume any optic in the “best” category is not made there anyway.

You should look at the AIMPOINT® ACRO P-1. You can have the same optic on all your rifles and pistols.

[AdWo2187]

Sage Dynamics on YouTube has great reviews. I go there whenever I want an honest assessment of high round count and durability tests without baking guns or optics in jello or whatever. I like Mrgunsngear too.

That being said, hard to beat the T2. Trijicon MRO is probably a great alternative in price without sacrificing durability. It’s just new so it doesn’t have the track record, although Trijicon themselves do of course.


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[Furbyballer]

The comp m5 has the best parallax update that aimpoint can currently produce. Its even better than the T series. Same goes with the increase in durability. the answer to your question is the comp m5 series.

[RHINOWSO]

If you went with the Aimpoint T-2/H-2, it would allow you to save some scratch on weapons that don't need NVG capes.

I'm kicking myself for not picking up several H-2s when Natchez had them on sale for $525 with 39MM LRP mount 2 Xmas ago, but I like the one I did get. Sold off the LRP mount to defray the cost of a new mount, so the H-2 only cost me $475.

Honestly if I was hard over on "sames", I'd be fine with any of the Aimpoint Micros as "same enough", regardless if they were older T-1s or the latest CompM5 (which now has 3 varients, the M5, M5B, and M5S).

[Eurodriver]

All good points.

I agree there’s really no point swapping out T1s with a T2 for consistency’s sake. But the bigger tube of the 30mm Aimpoints gets in the way for sure.

I’m kind of surprised that the T2/M5 family is still unanimously considered the best. With all the talk lately (and there has been quite a bit) about new optic features and Holosun, Vortex, Trijicon, etc being “just as good as” in almost every other thread I thought there would be more about those brands (or others)

Is price the only reason those brands are ever considered by people over an Aimpoint?

[JediGuy]

Is price the only reason those brands are ever considered by people over an Aimpoint?

Personally, that is exactly my primary reason.

With that said, I generally like what Trijicon did with the MRO’s view through the optic far more than the either CompM3 and the PA Advanced MRDS that I’ve run. My personal choice for RDS right now is the MRO, still waiting for better info on the MRO HD. However you asked included two conditions that would absolutely steer one away from the MRO: 1. The current model is known to have considerable parallax. 2. It isn’t really what I would consider “micro.” On a rifle, I like it for that, but there’s no way I’d put on a pistol.

[grizzlyblake]

I would not recommend the MRO because of the parallax issue. I like them otherwise, and I prefer the top mount illumination dial so support hand can make adjustments.

The MRO HD looks like a silly mistake to me. It has the multiple reticles which I guess are popular with the Holosun crowd, but I don't see a need for more than one reticle/dot to get used to. The battery life is worse than the regular MRO too.

If Trijicon had just fixed the parallax issue and kept battery life the same with a simple dot they would have something. I've gotten rid of three MROs now because of struggling when zeroing.

On the flip side the T2 seems rock solid from a parallax standpoint and I'm able to be very precise and consistent with them. Yeah, they're kind of boring, not new and sexy, but it's a red LED inside an aluminum tube that has parallax under control. Pretty much checks all the boxes.

Does the ACRO still have battery life issues?

[Furbyballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUBcewtUBpQ

Aaron's experience captured on video also matches my personal experience I have watching several MRO user struggle in training.

I have to admit that I have really enjoyed my 503 and 515 holosuns. The ability to run an eotech reticle in a t1 body with minimal parallax and maintaining the battery life we are used to is awesome. However, I just don't have enough time with either of them to recommend them over aimpoint. Especially since they are now only slightly less expensive than the aimpoint options.

[ST911]

I won't upgrade a T1 to a T2, not enough gain.
New buys: T2, if not an LPV.
I'd upgrade a M2/M3/PRO to a T1 or T2, but usually those just put on lesser used guns.
T1/T2 has an H1/H2 companion if you want to save ~$50.
Nothing against the M5, just haven't gotten there in a meaningful way yet and I like the smaller T2. M5S is available.
I didn't like the micros on pistols, but the acros were okay. My jury is still out for pistol RDS models.

[AndyLate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUBcewtUBpQ

Aaron's experience captured on video also matches my personal experience I have watching several MRO user struggle in training.



It's undeniable that the MRO equipped rifle in the video had a much wider dispersion when the dot was held at the edges of the window.

I don't understand why that would affect zeroing, assuming that the elements of good marksmanship are employed.

I do understand how it would affect firing from different, especially awkward, positions and shooting on a dynamic range.

Andy

P.S. Full disclosure - I own and use an MRO.

[Furbyballer]

It's undeniable that the MRO equipped rifle in the video had a much wider dispersion when the dot was held at the edges of the window.

I don't understand why that would affect zeroing, assuming that the elements of good marksmanship are employed.

I do understand how it would affect firing from different, especially awkward, positions and shooting on a dynamic range.

Andy

P.S. Full disclosure - I own and use an MRO.

Real life isn't a flat range zero session though right? Real life is messy, unpredictable, and fast so why put yourself at a potential disadvantage based on attachment? So if its only money holding you back from an aimpoint, then honestly I would point to the holosun 503s and 515s over the MRO. Kyle Defoor, Chuck Pressburg, Mike Panone, Don Edwards the list goes on and on of highly qualified trainers with the best pedigrees that exist will tell you to avoid the MRO if you have other options. Can you make them work? Absolutely. If you're starting from scratch, then I'd start with stronger base than the MRO.

[AndyLate]

Real life isn't a flat range zero session though right? Real life is messy, unpredictable, and fast so why put yourself at a potential disadvantage based on attachment? So if its only money holding you back from an aimpoint, then honestly I would point to the holosun 503s and 515s over the MRO. Kyle Defoor, Chuck Pressburg, Mike Panone, Don Edwards the list goes on and on of highly qualified trainers with the best pedigrees that exist will tell you to avoid the MRO if you have other options. Can you make them work? Absolutely. If you're starting from scratch, then I'd start with stronger base than the MRO.

Thanks for the great advice, but I asked why parallex caused difficulty when zeroing.

I also covered uses outside a static range and differentiated that from simply zeroing.

Andy

[RHINOWSO]

I won't upgrade a T1 to a T2, not enough gain.
New buys: T2, if not an LPV.
I'd upgrade a M2/M3/PRO to a T1 or T2, but usually those just put on lesser used guns.
T1/T2 has an H1/H2 companion if you want to save ~$50.
Nothing against the M5, just haven't gotten there in a meaningful way yet and I like the smaller T2. M5S is available.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. I'm in the market for another micro, already owning a T2 & H2. Sold off an Eotech 512 I got at a steal to tryout and will likely get another T2.

My Pros have been fine and I don't see the need to spend several hundred dollars to upgrade them to Micros.

I do prefer the top rotary knob on Pros and the CompM5 to the right side dial on the T2/H2 - easier and faster to use with either hand to adjust brightness, but it's not enough of a need to cause me to change.

[mrbieler]

Had H1's for fair bit of time, a couple of PRO's, a M4S, and a H2. I still have the M4S which I have on gooseneck mount if I want to put a red dot on my A2 upper carbine.

The PRO's and Aimpoint Micro's are gone and replaced with newer MRO's. I haven't experienced the parallax issue some have with them or I should say nothing worse then I dealt with using my H1's. I have no experience with the new MRO HD. I'm extremely happy with the clarity and dot on the MRO.

I'm near sighted, but don't have astigmatism issues. The dot grows a bit if I'm not using my glasses, but it's still a dot and I can hit things within reasonable ranges with my vision uncorrected. That was the really selling point for me. Without my glasses, the Aimpoint dots became smears.

My MRO's, adding new Reptilia mounts and Tango Down covers, cost me under $500 each all in.

[Pappabear]

All good points.

Is price the only reason those brands are ever considered by people over an Aimpoint?

I would certainly think so. It's the only reason I own Sig Romeo 5's. I think they are steal for the price performance, but they have nothing on Highend Aimpoints. But after buying multiple Aimpoints, I only need so many Duty ready guns for my needs. But if you have the cash, Rock on with Aimpoint.

And throw some Bobro's on while your getting crazy.

PB

[Torquetard]

T2 absolutely, unless you see yourself needing the extra front lens for hitting the water hard after a jump, or have to swap an AAA battery from your TV remote in a pinch. But seriously, having gone from a Pro to a micro, I love the footprint reduction and looking somewhat cooler, but definitely miss the bigger window.