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Now that this rifle has more or less dropped off the radar, what was the general consensus? Decent design, nice try, or flop?
crusader377
05-03-20, 08:24
I own one and the Beretta ARX 100 is an awesome rifle let down by Beretta not supporting the platform on the commercial market.
I purchased mine for $1000 with 7 magazines and for the price I paid for it nothing touches it if you look at the rifle objectively.
It is lightweight, accurate, very low maintenance, extremely reliable, with good ergonomics.
Yeah, the rifle is just plain awesome, I wouldn't have went out of my way to get 3 of them otherwise... Beretta just dropped the ball before it ever even came out.
You pretty much have to like it the way it is though, because I doubt there will ever be much aftermarket for it.
Probably the most common complaint I've heard is that the buttstock is just too short. Although it's probably fine if you're wearing body armor.
Probably the most common complaint I've heard is that the buttstock is just too short. Although it's probably fine if you're wearing body armor.
The most common complaint is most definitely the trigger followed by the accuracy. I'm 6 Foot 2 inches tall and the stock has never felt too short for me, but I do use it with the stock fully extended. I also prefer the A1 length stocks on the AR15... So if you like the A2 length stocks, then the ARX stock might feel a bit short.
I have heard a couple comments on accuracy. Is that due to the quick-change barrel arrangement?
I have heard a couple comments on accuracy. Is that due to the quick-change barrel arrangement?
It's hard to say, but I'm sure that the quick change barrel doesn't help in regard to accuracy. Some ARX owners report better accuracy than others, it really kinda seems hit or miss (no pun intended) on how accurate any particular ARX barrel will be.
crusader377
05-03-20, 14:54
I have heard a couple comments on accuracy. Is that due to the quick-change barrel arrangement?
I’ve fired my ARX extensively and I have found its accuracy is on par with a standard AR. It is not a precision rifle but mounted with a red dot it is certainly an accurate rifle.
I like mine. Excellent rifle.
Beretta developed .300 barrels and 7.62x39 barrels that used AK mags but never made them for us. (Kazakhstan got a few thousand of the 7.62x39 models)
They would sell so many if they had these barrels, and just replacement barrels available for say, $500 or less. Add a pistol version with the already-available 10 inch barrel and make those in the other calibers too and they'd have a real winner.
As it is, think of it as the lightest, most ergonomic and ambi AK ever that is 5.56, uses AR mags, has a folding stock and QD barrel. Excellent rifle.
The problem I had with it was wildly inconsistent accuracy from example to example. I bought one because people were reporting 2-3 MOA with them. Mine was 6+ with everything I tried. Beretta told me the spec was 4 MOA with ball ammo. Dealing with Beretta to try and get it fixed under warranty was the worst nightmare I've ever had with CS. It took going to the BBB to get Beretta to take responsibility for the thing. Something fishy going on with their production management, imo.
I have both the rifle and factory SBR versions. My only complaint is that I don't like the rails on either side of the front handguard. You can remove them, but then you're left with the nubs sticking out that the rails mount to. It's not a big deal, but a little more attention to the design in this area would have been nice. Of course depending on how you hold the rifle, this might not be an issue for you at all. I think in the $900 to $1000 price range they're a really good deal.
Did Beretta discontinue these or are they still in production?
Did Beretta discontinue these or are they still in production?
Nobody knows.
crusader377
05-04-20, 12:58
Nobody knows.
I heard that production shut down due to Beretta moving the factory to TN and eventually they will produce them again but who knows. Hopefully if they do decide to relaunch the platform, Beretta will properly support and market the rifle because it really is an underrated rifle.
The ARX-100/-160 seems to have made a few movie/TV appearances. This from the 2011 French movie "Special Forces"
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I have the FDE version. I really want to like it, but there are some things I don't like.
Good:
Fully ambi
Really lightweight
light profiled, QD barrel
Folding stock
adjustable gas
begs to be SBR'd
Not so good:
heavy trigger. (~10lbs) Needs aftermarket replacement.
odd optic rail/stock height for most people. Needs an aftermarket riser.
top-heavy
controls in odd places, safety is a bear to use
A2 grip with bump, non-removable.
when folded, stock clips to very thin plastic lower receiver lip. This WILL fatigue and break in time, and it's the serialed component. Impossible to repair.
lower handguard rail is awkward and far below bore axis (see: top-heavy complaint above)
no sling QDs
stock is too short for most people even when fully extended
heavy trigger.
The ARX's trigger is heavy because it is pulling against the disconnector and its very heavy spring in addition to the normal forces. One remedy for this is to obtain a spare and then clip a couple of coils off of the disconnector spring.
ramairthree
05-09-20, 15:53
I have one.
I did a fairly I’d depth review a few years ago.
I copied it and cleaned it up and have updated it, I was just out with it a few days ago.
I seem to be less enthused with it than others.
To start, who is this intended for?
There is a market for guns that are innovative and look cool. This will scratch that itch. These, typically, are not serious end users and I tend to marginalize the opinions of such owners.
There is a market for guys seeking legal versions of issue small arms. This is perfect for that market. I suspect that group is very happy to have this. Not much to criticize if you pick up a semi auto version of a military small arm you have been wanting.
There is a market for Beretta lovers. This is a group that frequently minimizes serious evaluations of their products and is another group I rarely find insightful opinions from. They love stuff no matter what because it is from their brand and rarely do anything more than a fluff review.
There is a market for “gun games” guys. This is a pretty robust market. They are high volume shooters that are moderately rough on their weapons. If a platform or accessory offers an advantage, they will find and exploit it. If something has a weakness, they will find it. I have only done about a dozen multigun marches, and five or ten times that in pistol matches over the years. I will not have the round count a serious unsponsored competitor will and find this to be a valued source of information and results. The applause and acclaim for the ARX from this community has been...
Crickets.
Some of us are just collectors that like guns and like to shoot. This is something different to play with.
Some judge guns by their applicability to combat. I am sure plenty here have done SFARTEC or OTC and are more highly trained than me. They can offer an even more detailed opinion. I do have some background and experience and will offer my opinion based on the suitability of this model for modern combat.
The gun is light for a piston model and not front heavy. It does have odd vertical measurement proportions.
From front to rear,
It has a standard birdcage with pencil 1-7 chrome lines barrel. Fine. You can find profiles with better dissipation, design with better accuracy, etc. But this will work. It is rapidly changeable. Wow. Not your usual. I had to have the barrel replaced on my M4 twice my last 8 years in. I was never looking to do it on an objective or to swap calibers, etc. but I have to take my hat off to this feature.
The handguards are a techopolymer. The gun feels less robust than a SCAR. A platform I chose to not trade out our M4s out for. I had better uses for the P11 and I saw plenty of Rangers doing damage to them more often than M4s. The Long, naked barrel is odd in a day of modern handguards and shooting techniques. The side rails are removable. But leave mounting bumps. WTF? The bottom rail is mostly for a non standard grenade launcher. You can get a bottom rail which I think is the same as the issue A3 version.
The barrel takedown buttons are reminiscent of Glock. A design of Glocks that is second only in factory magazine baseplate removal of shit I hate about Glocks. I don’t hate Glocks. But there is shit I hate about Glocks.
The ambidextrous bolt catch at the front of the trigger guard is a decent concept. Not where I would place it. And difficult to push up hard enough to always retain the bolt, but easy to release the bolt. Good for modern weapons handling, but only passably and not excellently executed.
The monstrous version protruding below the trigger guard, is part of what I think jacks up full magazine compatibility. Not having full magazine capability on an AR magazine Weapon is a major flaw. Just make the damn magazine well the same as an AR.
The ambi mag release works well. The position is ok if not perfect. And it is horizontally long enough. But it is a very short vertically release. Suboptimal ergonomically. Why? On a design with such awkward vertical proportions, would you make such a vertically short mag release?
The bolt catch. Left side. Cool. More amenable to modern technique than a charging handle. And you can change it to left handed in no time flat. Innovative! But it is a short, painful, handle that serves only to cheese grater your hand on the oddly very sharp brass deflector protrusion when using it. You can buy an extension. Criticism of the handle is usually met with shouts of Ambidexteous! Fast! Innovative!
Great, I can rapidly change which hand I grate tissue and blood from in stereo.
Wrap you hand around the pistol grip. The A2ish, non changeable pistol grip. The ambidextrous safety is.. just.. about.. where it would be on an AR. But enough different that I can’t put it from fire to safe effortlessly like I can on an AR. I have to break my grip. Like I found on the SIG556, why not just keep the superior ergs?
Well, let’s try the trigger. Whoops. Must be on safe. Nope. There it goes. Clean beak. At twice the trigger pull of any other semi auto I own. What the monkey -uck. It is like half again the trigger pull of any damn bull pup I have ever tried. I have tried no service rifle, classic layout or even bullpup, with a worse off the shelf trigger.
In disgust I move on to the upper.
The plastic BUIS feel flimsy. They attach in an odd manner. They literally semi obscure their own aperture. The height seems not quite standard. The rail has the pin modification to address the original rail wobble they initially shipped out with. Then drops precipitously to a stock way lower than it should be. And the stock is curiously short. A guy way shorter than average height in body armor would find it too short. Fully extending it is fine for me, but I am not quite 6 feet tall. Who the hell much over that will find it suitable? In fairness the folding mechanism is robust, and it remains fireable folded.
It has multiple sling attachments. State of the art in 1960 sling attachments.
The sling it comes with is not as nice as a Vickers or VTAC, but not as cheap as most freebies. It is a sliding two point adjustable. A pleasant surprise. The case is very nice. Surisingly. But slightly small if you account for optics and accessories, and one mag pouch. Because so many of us roll with one magazine. It comes with a metal mag that seems decent.
This is a gun that came out with I believe a retail for $1600. With promises of short barrels, 7.62x39 barrels, 300 whisper barrels, etc. it has long been available for about $1200. Under 900 at at least one place. I just paid 800 plus tax. I need new sights. A lower rail. A charging handle extension. Optics. Someone to make a stock or riser I can use with the optics. A new trigger. A bag it will fit in after that. And, as much as I appreciate the guy who made the right style of sling, a more robust version. This is not turning out to be a bargain.
I hit the range in eagerness to find its redeeming qualities. I use several brands of ammo. All function fine. Some TULA has FTF. The ARX and my SIG556 are my only rifles that seem to do this. My 1980 era SP1 with Chinese knock off carry handle Colt style scope, my 1994 Bushmaster CAR with 5 1/2 inch flash hider, my Romeo equipped SIG556 and two Aimpoint and one Eotech equipped ARs all turn in better groups. By about 1.5 MOA. It shoots groups about like a 5.56 AK or your worst shooting AR.
I am using a Burris AR 5x scope on the ARX. It has the FF3 on top. Sort of the poor man’s version of the ACOG Jpoint combo from ten or 15 years ago. That set up has always been taller than optimal. But on the low stocked ARX you can’t use a cheekweld for the FF.
The ARX is averaging 3/4 to 1.5 MOA less accurate than compared to combining the avaerages of the other guns. It succeeds in being more accurate than what I recorded for an AK 5.56 pistol with AR magwell last year. Is it the trigger? The awkwardness of the cheekweld? Some intrinsic loss of potential accuracy from the removable barrel design?
Getting away from accuracy testing, doing some combat shooting, it balances well, has very conducive recoil characteristics, and handles well. It is not as akward as it looks from a pure balance, handling issue. But cheekweld wise, you would need some flush mounted sights and optic or a higher stock.
Ergonomics are clumsy from the handle, safety, and mag release in comparison to an AR.
Overall,
This is an also ran.
Despite shouts of Beretta!, Design!, innovative!, Cool!, And ambidextrous!-
It will end up in firesale prices with little, expensive factory support and options and a few, expensive aftermarket options.
Like the SIG556, Para PTR (which at least had real AR ergonomics), etc. it is best left in the hands of Beretta fans (which I am), military issue collectors (which I am), guys that like playing with toys at the range ( which I am), and avoided by serious gun gamers (i’m Just a dilettante) and serious combat shooters - there are better choices.
I ended up going to an atypical very low sight and red dot setup. It is not a primary firearm for me and I did not go full expense on it.
I finally got around to shooting it suppressed.
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The best surprise has been taking it out and shooting it suppressed. The ambidextrous ready open port on the left blasts your face bad. I shoot suppressed ARs, AKs, HKs, the SIG556, etc. and the ARX really sucks.
Some Guns you love from the start and forever.
Some you love then like less.
Some you don’t like at first but come to love.
This is one I didn’t like initially, and find something I like less every time I take it out.
SIG556 prone unsupported at 100m,
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ARX, same ammo, prone unsupported at 100m.
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I don’t care if you have one and love it. Cool by me.
I have one and don’t love it.
ramairthree, what ammo were you using for those groups in your pictures? Because my second ARX does worse with a TA31H-G and IMI M855 at 100 yards than what I'm seeing from your group.
And the ARX is not meant to be shot suppressed without the left side ejection port cover that has existed since at least the ARX-160A2, but Beretta dropped the ball with bringing some of the ARX specific accessories over here. There are also supposedly QD sling mounts (made by Beretta) for the ARX that were in existence before the ARX-100 even became available. Again, Beretta dropped the ball.
Oh, and hey! Does your ARX have the single stage or the two stage factory trigger?
ramairthree
05-10-20, 09:31
Nothing fancy. Just luck it’s the best group. Yes green tip is worse groups.
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Nothing fancy. Just luck it’s the best group. Yes green tip is worse groups.
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Thanks! It looks like I should have stocked M193, but the IMI M855 doesn't do bad in the ARs at all.
I have a lot of FN M855 too, and that stuff groups even worse at around 11 inches at 100 yards. At least the IMI stays within 8 inches.
I have a couple of boxes of Black Hills 77gr. TMK to test out, but I don't know when I'll get to it. Truthfully I can't afford to shoot the Black hills stuff even if it does really well.
ramairthree
05-10-20, 19:53
I remember some scant details about an Italian military issue port cover, but it messed up what side you wanted the handle on, and someone was going to try to make them a few years ago.
Those are prone unsupported groups from those guns and as good as it gets.
Great batch of ammo, the suppressor and barrel loved that combo that day under those conditions? I’m not sure.
Both the ARX and SIG556 will light strike very hard Tula primers I have. None of my other guns have an issue with it. ARs, AK, mini14, even one of those PLR16s.
I remember some scant details about an Italian military issue port cover, but it messed up what side you wanted the handle on, and someone was going to try to make them a few years ago.
Those are prone unsupported groups from those guns and as good as it gets.
Great batch of ammo, the suppressor and barrel loved that combo that day under those conditions? I’m not sure.
Both the ARX and SIG556 will light strike very hard Tula primers I have. None of my other guns have an issue with it. ARs, AK, mini14, even one of those PLR16s.
Yes, it was a left side only cover from what I remember, but I don't think it would be hard for Beretta to make an exact mirror image copy for the other side... ARFCOM member "LOS" is still working on making his suppressor cover.
I was bench rested when I did my groups with the M855, I easily beat out the accuracy of the ARX with a Brownells 20" A1 using iron sights and the same ammo... I was pretty shocked by that.
ramairthree
05-11-20, 10:15
There seems to have been an unusually large spread of MOAs on ARXs as they left the factory.
Off the top of my head, other than the infrequent specific gun with an issue, I can’t think of another line/model/brand leaving the factory with such a wide range of MOA.
This has likely got to be something to do with the QD barrel design.
My theory is when someone gets one in the max accuracy range, it is still a little worse than the average AR because of the horrible trigger. (Literally the worse out of the box of all service rifle semi auto civilian versions- up there and worse than bull pups)
Then people get them in the worse accuracy range and Beretta kind of puts their fingers in their ears.
I have spent a couple of decades looking for a gun the meets or exceeds average AR accuracy, durability, and reliability; has a true folding/fully telescoping stock and can be fired with the stock folded; has the exact AR magwell for full mag/drum compatibility; is compatible with ar pistol grips; keeps AR Mag release and selector ergonomics; has an off side non reciprocating charging handle; offers better / faster bolt release/bolt stay, and has last round BHO.
It amazes me how many companies come up with mag wells that are not fully compatible, put a mag release just out of reach, make a selector you have to break grip to actuate, etc.
There seems to have been an unusually large spread of MOAs on ARXs as they left the factory.
Off the top of my head, other than the infrequent specific gun with an issue, I can’t think of another line/model/brand leaving the factory with such a wide range of MOA.
This has likely got to be something to do with the QD barrel design.
My theory is when someone gets one in the max accuracy range, it is still a little worse than the average AR because of the horrible trigger. (Literally the worse out of the box of all service rifle semi auto civilian versions- up there and worse than bull pups)
Then people get them in the worse accuracy range and Beretta kind of puts their fingers in their ears.
I have spent a couple of decades looking for a gun the meets or exceeds average AR accuracy, durability, and reliability; has a true folding/fully telescoping stock and can be fired with the stock folded; has the exact AR magwell for full mag/drum compatibility; is compatible with ar pistol grips; keeps AR Mag release and selector ergonomics; has an off side non reciprocating charging handle; offers better / faster bolt release/bolt stay, and has last round BHO.
It amazes me how many companies come up with mag wells that are not fully compatible, put a mag release just out of reach, make a selector you have to break grip to actuate, etc.
I've already said this about the rifle, "As it is, think of it as the lightest, most ergonomic and ambi AK ever that is 5.56, uses AR mags, has a folding stock and QD barrel. Excellent rifle."
I used to be a big AK fan. So, that's what I compare the ARX to.
I have considered just grinding down the A2 grip. Why not? I've also considered removing a little material so M3 magazines fit. Again, why not? (My favorite mags are Gi-style 20's, actually but I do have all kinds)
People buy AR's and HK's and AK's and Tavors and immediately replace triggers, fore ends, grips, stocks, mounts, and damn near everything and that's fine but it's somehow completely unacceptable that the ARX isn't perfect out of the box for $900?
I wanted a reliable, well-made rifle that broke down easily, used AR mags, is light, (I really like the light barrel) and had a few places to mount things on for HD-type uses likely 50M and less. I installed the Shooting Sight trigger, a RDS, a small VFG, and done.
I improved the safety by oiling it then operating it while wearing a glove for a couple hours while watching a movie to wear it in. It probably cut the effort 25-30% Big difference. It's fine now.
The charging handle? I installed the extended one but I wanted the ambi-feature back so I removed it. Plus it's not easy to remove and must be to field strip the rifle. I've learned to grab it towards the end to avoid the shell deflector and, like everyone does while firing other rifles, wear gloves.
When I did fire it at 100 yds for groups I seem to recall groups of about 3-4 inches for Federal 50 gr BT (grey tip) and 4-5 inches for M193, which was also with a warmer barrel. Just what I expected and all I asked for. I popped the barrel out and put it back and don't recall any significant shift. This was before I installed the SS trigger. The original was very crisp but much too heavy. The SS trigger is four out of five stars for me. Huge improvement.
The original sights I examined at home for maybe 5 minutes and then threw them in the trash.
It's an Italian AK.
It's an Italian AK.
I like my ARX's, but I don't get the comparison to the AK. The bolt lockup is more like that of an AR15 than an AK.
I like my ARX's, but I don't get the comparison to the AK. The bolt lockup is more like that of an AR15 than an AK.
I'm talking about usefulness/role. The AK was designed to be a powerful and reliable submachine gun. It can be used in the carbine role, too. The ARX is similar.
Got it, definitely reliable.
ramairthree
05-12-20, 19:36
Got it, definitely reliable.
The ARX is certainly reliable.
But,
As an example,
I threw together an upper out of spare parts I had lying around. It could go on a pistol. Or, I grabbed a stamped SBR Lower I made as a spare about ten years ago. With just a basic lower build kit.
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I don’t normally zero RDS at 100m, but I did this to compare a random AR to the ARX.
Five three round groups to zero. This was green tip. For whatever reason PMC XTAC green tip tends to be more accurate than other brands I try. The group from a parts bin upper looks like this. And it’s really five groups with zero changes.
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And it’s a spare SBR lower, with less than 2k rounds fired. And such a basic trigger and parts kit when I was a novice builder. the BH stopped working today. Sure, it’s a quick fix, but a good indicator I did not drop some Uber LPK and trigger in there.
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Same ammo, minutes apart, from the ARX.
One single ten round group.
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Sure, it’s on fire sale now, after a failed market introduction, but this is a gun they planned on selling for $1600. With worse accuracy than a $500 budget AR build or AK.
The ARX is certainly reliable.
But,
As an example,
I threw together an upper out of spare parts I had lying around. It could go on a pistol. Or, I grabbed a stamped SBR Lower I made as a spare about ten years ago. With just a basic lower build kit.
https://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu220/ramairfour/6E4A15FF-0F66-40E1-94B5-E9E9FFF266CB_zpsnim4zqg3.jpeg (https://s649.photobucket.com/user/ramairfour/media/6E4A15FF-0F66-40E1-94B5-E9E9FFF266CB_zpsnim4zqg3.jpeg.html)
I don’t normally zero RDS at 100m, but I did this to compare a random AR to the ARX.
Five three round groups to zero. This was green tip. For whatever reason PMC XTAC green tip tends to be more accurate than other brands I try. The group from a parts bin upper looks like this. And it’s really five groups with zero changes.
https://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu220/ramairfour/48910797-C702-4622-8867-2E91CED0D6D1_zpsojtmfq4z.jpeg (https://s649.photobucket.com/user/ramairfour/media/48910797-C702-4622-8867-2E91CED0D6D1_zpsojtmfq4z.jpeg.html)
And it’s a spare SBR lower, with less than 2k rounds fired. And such a basic trigger and parts kit when I was a novice builder. the BH stopped working today. Sure, it’s a quick fix, but a good indicator I did not drop some Uber LPK and trigger in there.
https://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu220/ramairfour/0C616B17-C2F6-4A9C-8071-40266578B9F4_zpszkd9mq5q.jpeg (https://s649.photobucket.com/user/ramairfour/media/0C616B17-C2F6-4A9C-8071-40266578B9F4_zpszkd9mq5q.jpeg.html)
Same ammo, minutes apart, from the ARX.
One single ten round group.
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Sure, it’s on fire sale now, after a failed market introduction, but this is a gun they planned on selling for $1600. With worse accuracy than a $500 budget AR build or AK.
Oh, yea. Way overpriced at $1600.
Accuracy is important but it isnt everything.
So you're saying Italy should just make AK's that use STANAG mags or M4's and use those?
ramairthree
05-13-20, 12:00
Oh, yea. Way overpriced at $1600.
Accuracy is important but it isnt everything.
So you're saying Italy should just make AK's that use STANAG mags or M4's and use those?
No.
I’m making an example of a few things.
1- A broken part is a quick fix on an AR. And many other legacy platforms. Your discontinued SIG556 or ARX May very well be an issue.
2- If you are going to introduce a new MSR on the market for twice the price of an AR, but is does not offer the inherent accuracy of other platforms half a century or more old, it is not likely to do well.
3- Why dump a ton of R&D into a new platform and bring it into service when it is not 100% compatible with the options for the magazine series, has 75 year old concept sling mounts, has inferior ergonomics for selector actuation, Major erg faults like grating hands, etc.
4- when you have had a handful of pistol options fail on the market for being innovative, cool looking, and different, a couple a tactical shotguns do the same, a PCC do the same, and another carbine not even make it to market under the flagship name...
It seems to reason that this would not be the ideal pattern to follow for your next carbine..
But they did.
Basically,
At their intended price point the same R&D could have turned out a much better product.
We should be at a point where a major company can bring out a carbine superior role the AR, with a faster MOA, at least as accurate, at least as reliable, etc.
I recall someone saying that the ARX-100 is based off of the "A3" variant of the military version. Accurate?
I recall someone saying that the ARX-100 is based off of the "A3" variant of the military version. Accurate?
That was me, and it is based off of the A3 variant... The only obvious difference is the large vent holes in the top section of the A3 handguard.
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