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I need a new fast charger for my Samsung Note9, I went to Amazon, I went on google.
I spent an hour looking, getting more pissed off.
I found Samsung charger from Samsung, list price is $20 more than the stuff on Amazon. Even with that I can't verify it isn't made in China by a sub contractor.
I am frustrated, that my hate for China has no easy solution.
Yes I said hate, I have watched my company go backwards 1.5 years of work meaning profit gone in 3 months. A friend in Seattle has watched his company of 30 years crash down to zero, with no chance of coming back.
Now I can't find a made in USA, or Mexico, or Viet Nam, or even in hell for that matter, fast charger for my phone.
Coal Dragger
05-20-20, 13:54
It will take time for the backlash to reach down to things like that. Give it time, write negative reviews etc.
Adrenaline_6
05-20-20, 13:58
I need a new fast charger for my Samsung Note9, I went to Amazon, I went on google.
I spent an hour looking, getting more pissed off.
I found Samsung charger from Samsung, list price is $20 more than the stuff on Amazon. Even with that I can't verify it isn't made in China by a sub contractor.
I am frustrated, that my hate for China has no easy solution.
Yes I said hate, I have watched my company go backwards 1.5 years of work meaning profit gone in 3 months. A friend in Seattle has watched his company of 30 years crash down to zero, with no chance of coming back.
Now I can't find a made in USA, or Mexico, or Viet Nam, or even in hell for that matter, fast charger for my phone.
Yea, until we bring manufacturing for those items back home, those small electronics, for the mean time, still have to be bought from China.
As a retailer, you can go crazy trying to source stuff from the U.S. There are simply a bunch of products that are no longer made in the U.S. or even our allies.
I've experienced similar levels of frustration while shopping. US consumers need to boycott China. No doubt about it.
Our elected officials actually need to do something useful for a change. We need to rebuild our manufacturing base and get some factories open. This will take time. But it needs to be a long-term goal.
At least boycotting China is still legal.
In much of the US, boycotting Israel is either a crime, or has other penalties or disabilities.
I try to avoid buying from China much more now, but not stress out over every single thing. I don't want to burn out doing it.
I think the long game is more important than a phone charger.
As a retailer, you can go crazy trying to source stuff from the U.S. There are simply a bunch of products that are no longer made in the U.S. or even our allies.
And sometimes when you think you beat their system....
https://taskandpurpose.com/gear-tech/wellco-execs-military-boots-china
You know some people just live to bait others, when they are safe behind a computer screen.
At least boycotting China is still legal.
In much of the US, boycotting Israel is either a crime, or has other penalties or disabilities.
I would like to see a single example of boycotting Israel being a crime anywhere in the US.
titsonritz
05-20-20, 15:55
I would like to see a single example of boycotting Israel being a crime anywhere in the US.
So would I.
Life's a Hillary
05-20-20, 16:10
Yea, until we bring manufacturing for those items back home, those small electronics, for the mean time, still have to be bought from China.
We aren’t ever going to be manufacturing smart phone chargers, if anything they will move to India.
We aren’t ever going to be manufacturing smart phone chargers, if anything they will move to India.
GREAT!
the other side is sourced parts could be made in US or more honest assembled in US but the parts would all be from China and the assembly is often screwing one screw in the case or something stupid that makes it basically %99 made in China anyway
yeah its near if not impossible in today's tech world to avoid China products hope one day wont be so but not going to loose sleep over it as I get more minimal in my wants needs and go back to super simple life I can do this by just avoiding so much of the commercialism that has been pushed and most all eat it up with a new iphone each year the latest this or that V1 V2 V3 OH I have to have that latest model
We aren’t ever going to be manufacturing smart phone chargers, if anything they will move to India.
True. Large scale electronics manufacturing will never come back to the US.
India then Africa.
Also, "Made in India" will make "Made in China" look like "Made in Germany"...
S.720.
Repubs wanted to make it 20 years to BDS, but Democrats wouldn't go along (except certain ones like Schumer).
Many states impose financial penalties for BDS or even for speech advocating BDS.
If Joe Smith from Missouri, started this thread BDS would have never have brought up.
But because Yoni, an Israeli and a Jew started it, out comes BDS.
Tells me, someone has a problem.
I have been doing the best I can to avoid Chinese products, sometimes you simply cannot. At that point I judge the need, I mean it's not like you are going to pitch your phone instead of buying the Chicom charger. There is also the fact that the Chinese have already been paid for that one, but if we make enough noise/economic impact they won't be getting paid nearly as much in the future. You can only do what you can do, it's going to take some time to pull the rug out from under china.
Straight Shooter
05-20-20, 20:05
At least boycotting China is still legal.
In much of the US, boycotting Israel is either a crime, or has other penalties or disabilities.
Like most everything else you post- that is a damned lie & COMPLETE bullshit.
Straight Shooter
05-20-20, 20:08
I need a new fast charger for my Samsung Note9, I went to Amazon, I went on google.
I spent an hour looking, getting more pissed off.
I found Samsung charger from Samsung, list price is $20 more than the stuff on Amazon. Even with that I can't verify it isn't made in China by a sub contractor.
I am frustrated, that my hate for China has no easy solution.
Yes I said hate, I have watched my company go backwards 1.5 years of work meaning profit gone in 3 months. A friend in Seattle has watched his company of 30 years crash down to zero, with no chance of coming back.
Now I can't find a made in USA, or Mexico, or Viet Nam, or even in hell for that matter, fast charger for my phone.
Im GLAD to see others making that effort. I too go way out of my way, spend more time AND money to avoid China crap. Almost popped today on a shooting mat from Midway..looked nice, hell Im sure it IS nice, had the features, ect...I thought Id better check..yep...made in China. My search continues.
Only when/if it is impossible to find, or totally un-affordable and I cant live w/o it...will I buy China crap from now on. And there is little I cant do without.
Im GLAD to see others making that effort. I too go way out of my way, spend more time AND money to avoid China crap. Almost popped today on a shooting mat from Midway..looked nice, hell Im sure it IS nice, had the features, ect...I thought Id better check..yep...made in China. My search continues.
Only when/if it is impossible to find, or totally un-affordable and I cant live w/o it...will I buy China crap from now on. And there is little I cant do without.
Yep, I will look until I get tired of looking sometimes. Just tried to buy a collapsible dog crate not made in China... Not very successful
S.720.
Repubs wanted to make it 20 years to BDS, but Democrats wouldn't go along (except certain ones like Schumer).
Many states impose financial penalties for BDS or even for speech advocating BDS.
So an ACT that was introduced but hasn't moved since 2017 is your example of a law? Do you know how many acts get introduced that go nowhere?
So an ACT that was introduced but hasn't moved since 2017 is your example of a law? Do you know how many acts get introduced that go nowhere?
Only because democrats wouldn't let it.
So how does that effect me? Had that gone into law I what? .... wouldn't be able to not buy something made in Israel? I would be forced by law to only buy Israeli products? How does this translate to an individual buying a product? Which is what this topic is about
Only because democrats wouldn't let it.
And do you know how many sacrificial pieces of legislation they introduce knowing full well it will be defeated by the Republicans?
It's a ****ing game. It's political theater. It's CA dems putting forth legislation that would make it a felony to use a gun in personal defense and GA republicans putting for legislation that would require every home to buy a gun. Neither is ever gonna happen.
It's a pipe dream introduced to whip up their base and let the extremes be deluded into thinking they are actually trying. Seems this one worked on you.
Also the specific legislation you cited did not apply to individuals in the US but would have applied to organizations such as United Nations and the European Union. But I'm pretty sure you knew that.
So how does that effect me? Had that gone into law I what? .... wouldn't be able to not buy something made in Israel? I would be forced by law to only buy Israeli products? How does this translate to an individual buying a product? Which is what this topic is about
It wouldn't, if you want to read the actual text of the bill and what was promoted it's right here.
https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/legislative-action/2017/israel-anti-boycott-act.pdf
Only because democrats wouldn't let it.
Yeah and it is becoming so clear that the democrats are such wonderful people. I guess you missed Ilhan Omars daughter said on Armed Forces day.
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/70746-radical-islam-is-still-a-threat-2020-05-18
"You probably don’t know who Isra Hirsi is. She’s a 17-year-old environmental activist, co-founder of the radical green group U.S. Climate Strike. She’s also an avowed communist. On her Twitter profile, she declared, “Yes I am 17 and I hate capitalism.”
And she’s also Ilhan Omar’s daughter. Apparently, Omar has managed to instill her anti-Americanism in her daughter.
Hirsi went on TikTok a couple of days ago and called U.S. soldiers “bit—s” and baby killers. How ironic that she chose a social-media platform that is controlled by communist Chinese interests to disparage U.S. soldiers. Sadly, millions of young Americans use TikTok. (Parents, wake up!)
It was particularly disgusting and ironic that she was insulting the brave young men and women who protect her while children are being murdered. There was a vicious attack on a maternity ward in Afghanistan recently. The radical Islamists killed mothers and their new born babies. "
But this thread is about China, and I don't want a racist to high jack it further.
Adrenaline_6
05-21-20, 07:31
We aren’t ever going to be manufacturing smart phone chargers, if anything they will move to India.
Never said they would. I just put a possible scenario out there.
Adrenaline_6
05-21-20, 07:34
Only because democrats wouldn't let it.
You specifically said it was illegal. Now you admit it was an ACT and hasn't passed just because. Keep back peddling. Hilarious.
It wouldn't, if you want to read the actual text of the bill and what was promoted it's right here.
https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/legislative-action/2017/israel-anti-boycott-act.pdfSo....seems like it would still be legal for an individual to choose not to shop Israeli products. Which is what the OP's post is about! An individual choosing not to buy Chinese products.
Yoni, a lot of this small stuff will probably never be made outside of China.
Back to the phone charger topic:
Wife and I building a new home and we are going to install a few Leviton USB-C outlets with PD technology. Their country of origin says "contact customer service" so I did. The guy said "assembled in USA from globally sourced parts" or something along those lines. The other outlets that are not PD(power delivery) all say "made in China". The guy had no other information on "globally sourced" except him and I felt like the chips inside for the USB functionality are probably Chinese sourced. BUT I will take "assembled in USA" as a start I guess...
i bought some new Oakley's a few months ago and the Oakley store had a cabinet that was all "assembled in USA" or "built in USA" something like that. Again, most of the parts are probably coming from China, but I will take Assembled in USA as a starting point. He said a lot of people gravitate to that cabinet first, which only had maybe 10 styles in it vs. 1000 styles in the rest of the store. He said they are always reporting that kind of stuff to corporate with the hope that more and more will be brought back.
Yoni, a lot of this small stuff will probably never be made outside of China.
If the American people even 50% said no more imports from China, that would create opportunity for people to fill. I am not involved with electronic manufacturing, but I do know one of the top exports from the Dominican Republic is medical equipment. I happen to be friends with the 2 guys building the next free trade zone in the DR, so if anyone wants to jump I will assist.
I have a software company and I developed a cloud-based ERP that deals mostly with wholesale and distribution. We work with many verticals including medical, chemical, textiles and food products.
Many of my customers manufacture in China and I can tell you the demand for a manufacturing module so that they can move back to the U.S. has been beyond enormous. A couple of weeks ago I greenlit it with my development staff and these customers are already gearing up to moving stateside. They have had enough of not just the consumer backlash, but also seem to feel complicit in the current situation as well as realizing they are not as in control of their product as they thought.
I've heard more than one story of their Chinese plants unable to meet deadlines because they shift their manufacturing capacity to meet Chinese demand first. Mostly with medical and chemical, which is very concerning.
What's most interesting is that I have spoken to a number of them and analyzing that the reason they moved to Chinese production was the perception of lower cost. After running the numbers they are finding that the cost isn't so much lower any longer. Maybe 20 years ago it was, but no longer.
For our part, we made a decision to provide new customers with the software for free long enough for them to start working. I hope this trend continues and more and more businesses see the light.
F**k China.
China needs to pay a price for what they have done.
Congress is too dysfunctional to get anything done. This needs to be handled at the consumer level.
I applaud any business, manufacturer, that is helping make this happen. Keep up the good work. Put Americans back to work. Buy American.
Eff China
crosseyedshooter
05-21-20, 13:56
Quite a few consumer electronics OEMs are shifting manufacturing to Southeast Asia. So, if you don’t mind “Made in (Communist) Vietnam“, then that’ll become more prevalent for things like chargers, keyboards, mice, etc.
LMT Shooter
05-21-20, 14:34
Could we start a thread & get it stickied for folks to list or ask others about made in the USA products, their manufacturers, and retailers where these American made products are available?
Like "The Official Where Can I Get It" thread?
S.720.
Repubs wanted to make it 20 years to BDS, but Democrats wouldn't go along (except certain ones like Schumer).
Many states impose financial penalties for BDS or even for speech advocating BDS.
First of all, can you give an example of a state imposed financial penalty?
While the Boycott-Divest-Sanction movement is not going to gain a lot of traction with the majority of Americans, I don't think it is illegal anywhere in the U.S. to advocate for the movement.
Adrenaline_6
05-21-20, 15:33
This reminds me of the South Park episode where the residents boycotts a store because they get too big and corrupt then moves to support the local store which also then gets big and they boycott them, and so on and so on. This will just keep happening over and over.
So....seems like it would still be legal for an individual to choose not to shop Israeli products. Which is what the OP's post is about! An individual choosing not to buy Chinese products.
Yoni, a lot of this small stuff will probably never be made outside of China.
I don't believe (can't be sure) that I've bought a Made in Israel product in the last two years and nobody has come to get me. So yeah, pretty damn sure there is no law in the US that prevents you from NOT buying a product of Israel.
If the American people even 50% said no more imports from China, that would create opportunity for people to fill. I am not involved with electronic manufacturing, but I do know one of the top exports from the Dominican Republic is medical equipment. I happen to be friends with the 2 guys building the next free trade zone in the DR, so if anyone wants to jump I will assist.
The problem is we need to be willing to spend more and people will buy ANYTHING on Amazon if it's .10 cents cheaper than everywhere else. I would love for electronics production to move back to Japan and most of our imports to come from there, but probably never gonna happen. DVD players would be $200 again and now they are $40 on Amazon.
Hell at this point I'd be happy with Taiwanese imports again.
Averageman
05-21-20, 16:59
Could we start a thread & get it stickied for folks to list or ask others about made in the USA products, their manufacturers, and retailers where these American made products are available?
Like "The Official Where Can I Get It" thread?
Yes, Please !
just saw this
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/21/airpods-pro-assembled-vietnam/
"The mass production of *AirPods* in Vietnam started as early as in March," a person familiar with the matter said. "The Vietnamese officials even granted special permits for a key Apple *AirPods* assembler to help the company bring in engineers to the country for smooth production during lockdowns." Vietnam began easing some lockdown measures in late April.
anything to get money out of China I am good with ! but I do wish they would bring so much more back to USA
but ? are parts of the airpod made in China ?(most likely) again that keyword assembled that needs to become MADE IN __________
and never see China on the end of that again
The problem is we need to be willing to spend more and people will buy ANYTHING on Amazon if it's .10 cents cheaper than everywhere else. I would love for electronics production to move back to Japan and most of our imports to come from there, but probably never gonna happen. DVD players would be $200 again and now they are $40 on Amazon.
Hell at this point I'd be happy with Taiwanese imports again.
Surprisingly I had a guy give me about the same example you use. My father-in-law has a Westinghouse LED TV that uses a transformer/power source, the other day when his TV wouldn't power-up I tried to pull the lead out of the power jack and couldn't. Didn't want to get to froggy with it for fear of tearing something loose on the inside. Went to a local electronics supply store to find out if anyone worked on them (TV's) and got involved in a conversation with the owner. He told me that when he opend shop there were 11 technicians in town and now there are none. He said bacxk then a VHS player cost $240.00 dollars and would last forever because you could work on them but now WalMart sells them for $49.00.
I'm a guy who understands what the loss of Main Street USA has meant to the economy overall, but when I said the reality is that many people today are those that don't really have the money to shop anyplace but WalMart the guy was off to the races. Turns out I'm at fault for our problems because I'm not driving 60 miles to a legit TV store and buying a TV that Walmart probably stocks for a hundred less.
Very enjoyable hour or so of largely one-sided conversation, which I ended to take the dead TV to the landfill in the hopes they still had an electronics salvage trailer. BTW - they don't.
Surprisingly I had a guy give me about the same example you use. My father-in-law has a Westinghouse LED TV that uses a transformer/power source, the other day when his TV wouldn't power-up I tried to pull the lead out of the power jack and couldn't. Didn't want to get to froggy with it for fear of tearing something loose on the inside. Went to a local electronics supply store to find out if anyone worked on them (TV's) and got involved in a conversation with the owner. He told me that when he opend shop there were 11 technicians in town and now there are none. He said bacxk then a VHS player cost $240.00 dollars and would last forever because you could work on them but now WalMart sells them for $49.00.
I'm a guy who understands what the loss of Main Street USA has meant to the economy overall, but when I said the reality is that many people today are those that don't really have the money to shop anyplace but WalMart the guy was off to the races. Turns out I'm at fault for our problems because I'm not driving 60 miles to a legit TV store and buying a TV that Walmart probably stocks for a hundred less.
Very enjoyable hour or so of largely one-sided conversation, which I ended to take the dead TV to the landfill in the hopes they still had an electronics salvage trailer. BTW - they don't.
If it makes you feel better, I don't think you should have to drive 60 miles to find a high end TV because honestly that shit will be disposable too. It will just have a lot more bells and whistles, it won't actually be better made or made to last. I don't think anyone makes that shit.
And if somebody does make the Awesemo Sony 20 Year TV, you can order it online like everything else. But nobody makes it because nobody buys it. Another problem is tech now moves so fast nobody wants a 20 Year machine. If they make a completely Bulletproof Never FAIL BluRay player and it costs $800 what happens when it's pointless in 10 years because megadrive DVRs become available for $200 and they can download an entire NF series in 10 minutes and they have true HD quality.
I have VCRs that still work because I have stuff on VHS that is either personal content or rare stuff that has never seen DVD. But I have to watch it on a special LED TV with the resolution turned almost all the way down otherwise it really looks like crap.
Also eventually there will be a new format, just as digital replaced analog, sooner or later something will replace digital and everyone is gonna need a new machine.
TSMC is wanting to build that $12b chip factory in Arizona. And they just stopped all new future Huawei orders. Most of their fabs are in Taiwan. Two in China. One in Washington US, and one co-run in Singapore. And in Arizona soon it appears.
(TSMC is the world's largest contract chip manufacturer, based in Taiwan, and makes chips for everyone -- they exclusively make Apple's CPUs/SoC and also have Broadcom, Marvel, MediaTek, nVidia, Qualcomm, and AMD all us TSMC.)
Some electronics will come back to the US -- higher end stuff. The rest can go to Mexico and places like that from China.
I don't check everything I buy if it comes from China as too much currently does. I do check some stuff and try and avoid the China made stuff when possible. If I know or suspect something is from China and I know of and have access to a replacement made elsewhere, I buy the non-China made one.
Several years ago Motorola offered a phone that was "US assembled", moto x it think. I think I bought the only one, wasn't around long. Other examples of this kind are out there. So some of these companies have tried but the market didn't take the bait.
A friend came up with a use for old disposable televisions. He collects them up, takes them to "trigger trash" areas, and sets them out. This way he attracts the Bubbas to fewer spots where he can he at least have some influence on backstop, safety, etc. Then he cleans up the trash and collects the brass.
Surprisingly I had a guy give me about the same example you use. My father-in-law has a Westinghouse LED TV that uses a transformer/power source, the other day when his TV wouldn't power-up I tried to pull the lead out of the power jack and couldn't. Didn't want to get to froggy with it for fear of tearing something loose on the inside. Went to a local electronics supply store to find out if anyone worked on them (TV's) and got involved in a conversation with the owner. He told me that when he opend shop there were 11 technicians in town and now there are none. He said bacxk then a VHS player cost $240.00 dollars and would last forever because you could work on them but now WalMart sells them for $49.00.
I'm a guy who understands what the loss of Main Street USA has meant to the economy overall, but when I said the reality is that many people today are those that don't really have the money to shop anyplace but WalMart the guy was off to the races. Turns out I'm at fault for our problems because I'm not driving 60 miles to a legit TV store and buying a TV that Walmart probably stocks for a hundred less.
Very enjoyable hour or so of largely one-sided conversation, which I ended to take the dead TV to the landfill in the hopes they still had an electronics salvage trailer. BTW - they don't.
You should have tried to fix it. There are numerous YouTube videos about this. We bought a LG flatscreen 10 years ago. 5 years ago it quit turning on. A search on Google led me to several possible reason. I chased all those reasons down with a basic multi-meter with my 15 y.o. daughter helping. We found the burned out tiny fuse and while we couldn't buy a replacement we were able to solder in a fuse holder and installed a new fuse. Back in business and still going strong five years later. I've resurrected a very expensive refrigerator and the washer/dryer numerous time through Google and Youtube. The icing on the cake is when the now 20y.o. daughter called me last week and said she fixed her own t.v. via info from the internet.
We got our flatscreen TV repaired a few years ago and my wife's father could not understand why paid to fix our TV instead of just going to China Mart and paying the same money for a new one.
Our throw away society benefits China and the ports in California more than anyone else.
Andy
At least boycotting China is still legal.
In much of the US, boycotting Israel is either a crime, or has other penalties or disabilities.
Why are you on this forum?
Unfortunately, the majority of consumers only care about cost.
No, not quality, COST! Cheap sells better than quality. Quality generally costs more. Further, many people don't need a quality product either.
Now add Intellectual Property theft and the business case becomes even less favorable.
China has been and continues to be a bad actor for more than just the Corona / Wuhan Virus.
This doesn't even begin to address atrocities like 're-education camps' and other human rights abuses. Add indentured-servitude for a big portion of Africa and environmental damage in the Pacific Ocean not to mention issues in the South China Sea or Hong Kong with Taiwan TBD.
So yes, like Yoni, I want to avoid Chinese products but, that simply isn't practical in many cases.
The evil Israel according to the racist here, did something great today. They picked a local company over a chicom company to build the worlds largest water desalination plant.
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