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Armadillo
06-09-20, 18:45
I ordered the Magpul MOE SL hand guards.
I'll be carefully removing the sling adapter.

What size hand guards can I choose from besides the MOE SL?

Of course Noveske would be my first choice - but what size?

How hard is it to replace the hand guards?

Putting on the MOE SL is easy but I'm thinking the other aluminum ones would not be easy.

This is what the upper looks like:

https://www.opticsplanet.com/noveske-light-shorty-gen-1-5-56-basic-upper-receiver.html

m4luvr
06-09-20, 20:20
this caught my eye years ago but didn’t order: phase5 LO-PRO SLOPE NOSE (LPSN7.5) FREE FLOAT QUAD RAIL.

don’t know it it’s what you’re looking for but i thought it had some coolness. i’ve been wrong before so...

officerX
06-09-20, 20:33
this caught my eye years ago but didn’t order: phase5 LO-PRO SLOPE NOSE (LPSN7.5) FREE FLOAT QUAD RAIL.

don’t know it it’s what you’re looking for but i thought it had some coolness. i’ve been wrong before so...

https://phase5wsi.com/7.5-lo-pro-slope-nose-lpsn-free-float-quad-rail.html $99



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Armadillo
06-10-20, 06:06
Does Noveske make a rail that would fit on this length?

It does not look like it.

Keep in mind it already has a front site post.

Also, will it be easy enough to remove whatever needs to come off to add a rail?

I have an AR wrench.

I don't want to open a can of worms so I might just keep the Magpul hand guard.

1168
06-10-20, 06:27
What I would want for that gun:

https://www.centurionarms.com/c4-carbine-length-cutout-p/0609-cc.htm

Or

https://www.centurionarms.com/c4-mlok-rail-carbine-cut-p/0819cc.htm

The 12” front sight pocket models might also work with the flaming pig, but I don’t know that, nor am I sure I’d be into it. Just throwing it out there.

Armadillo
06-10-20, 06:53
Good possibilities so far.

The operative words are "carbine length cutout" or "carbine cut".

The rail has to work around the front site post.

Edit:

I might have to cancel my plans...

In order to put on such a hand guard - I would have to remove the "hand guard slip ring".

I think that entails removing the barrel.

That is beyond my level of expertise!

https://www.ar15.com/guides/files/tutorials/parts/upper.html

Looks like I'll keep it simple with the Magpul MOE SL.

It might be tough to pull down the hand guard slip ring but I saw a few videos and have the proper tools.

The MOE just snaps in at that point.

1168
06-10-20, 07:15
Good possibilities so far.

The operative words are "carbine length cutout" or "carbine cut".

The rail has to work around the front site post.

Edit:

I might have to cancel my plans...

In order to put on such a hand guard - I would have to remove the "hand guard slip ring".

I think that entails removing the barrel.

That is beyond my level of expertise!

https://www.ar15.com/guides/files/tutorials/parts/upper.html

Looks like I'll keep it simple with the Magpul MOE SL.

It might be tough to pull down the hand guard slip ring but I saw a few videos and have the proper tools.

The MOE just snaps in at that point.

You don’t have to pull the barrel, but it does make it easier. However, I will not argue with the MOE SL. Its a good choice; probably just as good as the Centurion I mentioned for most reasonable uses.

Hammer_Man
06-10-20, 11:27
KAC FF carbine RAS.

https://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-carbine-ff-ras-mk18/

sig1473
06-10-20, 11:52
KAC FF carbine RAS.

https://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-carbine-ff-ras-mk18/

He doesn't want to remove the barrel.

Stickman
06-10-20, 15:43
Here are a few pictures of carbine handguards which do not require removal of the barrel, and are pretty simple to install.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/c2d00093f84838e798ddc7474bb01d9b/6755c3376dd97316-c6/s1280x1920/8c8007251df0c394ee5e3174897904167a20b3fc.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/612a10e81f62a577ae6384052f764282/c680032a067aa833-cf/s1280x1920/dd70a0a2e5e89512c5a3520b89034c230c4b8d5e.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/f3ffb5cdc653510ff6cee5161391a67f/775ccb7d7e1b1f5e-09/s1280x1920/68935b5740f07828c4961edd54ccd8cf78e51b75.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9f35a8b6f9d32a5c41567e86879d20e4/76d8fdc86c2999f6-d7/s1280x1920/7f9d39274463557efaf25e82dc08d08b44509b18.jpg

Stickman
06-10-20, 15:44
https://66.media.tumblr.com/56116281cc2b42672fec6c6215ee129f/53c0609b2825cd4b-eb/s1280x1920/73d46be5cab72c83f4bc6e116d88477880a626e8.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5347f3306da7e7ad6e112e687b101cdf/b0c9c10e69392ee0-45/s1280x1920/73860aa74e26803c3d9de83ae5bb3cef1605a4e7.jpg

Stickman
06-10-20, 15:46
https://66.media.tumblr.com/1c4fbbb4eadcbbc725f8521be79b42cf/88c458ade705040c-d4/s1280x1920/8dec53ed33b25f76390eef381c80c95bbea8727a.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/ac26ebbc210f363ee3d27f0c774d92b1/d861fef7adbd6e75-2f/s1280x1920/3a42bd57f82719582b8c452b533ac7dc033e4b80.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/def94d84af133c006ca49d22cfcaa6d3/1d486c734c090e04-54/s1280x1920/0766029efceab04fe6cef033f123cc350c0b9f27.jpg

Stickman
06-10-20, 15:51
https://66.media.tumblr.com/1894392999096fe2ef63e6339f2df672/tumblr_pn1xkftJpt1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/07f762e2bddbfea6e49fd251f3221f5e/tumblr_pn1xjxm5ne1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

Stickman
06-10-20, 15:52
https://66.media.tumblr.com/402c5085b5cc46ffb9c3f829c05c250b/tumblr_pn1xjfl9Dg1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/cf7740d0700fbfe7ed7ebc1f7491ad6d/tumblr_pn1xjzxeQp1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

Armadillo
06-10-20, 16:56
I don't think I'll be removing the barrel but if I were to - this was a good video:

Freefloat Handguard Upgrade Step-by-Step

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XdShDtOrC4

justin_247
06-10-20, 17:24
I recommend a Daniel Defense Omega rail. It doesn't require any changes to the upper receiver other than removing the stock handguards.

https://danieldefense.com/omega-rail-7-0-m-lok.html
https://www.ar15goa.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/omega_rail_9.0_m-lok_rifle-400x215-cropped.jpg

OR

https://danieldefense.com/omega-rail-7-0-carbine.html
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/0611/29/daniel-defense-omega-rail-0-dd-10001_1_0c866e42e9d0bc5d807dca16f51dadca.jpg

You can also get a KAC RAS... it's tried and true, and been used by the US military for more than 15 years. The biggest difference is that it doesn't free-float the barrel like the DD rail and doesn't include sling attachment points. But, like the DD rail, it doesn't require modification to the weapon beyond removing the stock handguards.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/knight-s-armament-m4-carbine-ras-with-three-11-rib-panels.html
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/data/attachments/22/22761-7b1cd79a352cdbb6ff6ca8206598be52.jpg

MistWolf
06-10-20, 22:57
I ordered the Magpul MOE SL hand guards.
I'll be carefully removing the sling adapter.

What size hand guards can I choose from besides the MOE SL?

Of course Noveske would be my first choice - but what size?

How hard is it to replace the hand guards?

Putting on the MOE SL is easy but I'm thinking the other aluminum ones would not be easy.

This is what the upper looks like:

https://www.opticsplanet.com/noveske-light-shorty-gen-1-5-56-basic-upper-receiver.html

Install the MagPul Slimline handguards and shoot the snot out of your AR. Slimlines are very cool, do a good job of protecting your hands when the AR heats up and are rugged. I've been using Slimline handguards since they came out and really like them. I don't think the Slimlines give anything up to free float handguards on short barreled ARs. You won't be out anything for trying them first.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SZKCNJf/0/de24a355/X4/i-SZKCNJf-X4.jpg

Armadillo
06-11-20, 14:04
I recommend a Daniel Defense Omega rail. It doesn't require any changes to the upper receiver other than removing the stock handguards.

https://danieldefense.com/omega-rail-7-0-m-lok.html
https://www.ar15goa.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/omega_rail_9.0_m-lok_rifle-400x215-cropped.jpg

OR

https://danieldefense.com/omega-rail-7-0-carbine.html
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/0611/29/daniel-defense-omega-rail-0-dd-10001_1_0c866e42e9d0bc5d807dca16f51dadca.jpg

You can also get a KAC RAS... it's tried and true, and been used by the US military for more than 15 years. The biggest difference is that it doesn't free-float the barrel like the DD rail and doesn't include sling attachment points. But, like the DD rail, it doesn't require modification to the weapon beyond removing the stock handguards.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/knight-s-armament-m4-carbine-ras-with-three-11-rib-panels.html
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/data/attachments/22/22761-7b1cd79a352cdbb6ff6ca8206598be52.jpg

I might want to use the KAC RAS on a future build if I get another Basic Shorty.

I didn't realize it was drop in and that the rail covers were optional.

Hammer_Man
06-12-20, 11:57
https://66.media.tumblr.com/402c5085b5cc46ffb9c3f829c05c250b/tumblr_pn1xjfl9Dg1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/cf7740d0700fbfe7ed7ebc1f7491ad6d/tumblr_pn1xjzxeQp1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

These make me kind of miss my RAS II setup. Very solid rails, and easy to install.

lowprone
06-17-20, 20:50
Anybody make a handguard that floats a 20" w/ A frame FSB ?
I can't find any.

Stickman
06-18-20, 13:45
These make me kind of miss my RAS II setup. Very solid rails, and easy to install.

They really are a pretty slick setup. People just had a hard time with the hump, even though most of those people aren't installing anything which would interfere.... but I digress.

Stickman
06-18-20, 13:46
Anybody make a handguard that floats a 20" w/ A frame FSB ?
I can't find any.

Not that I'm aware of, any demand for it would be very, very small.

3 AE
06-20-20, 06:31
Anybody make a handguard that floats a 20" w/ A frame FSB ?
I can't find any.

These two should fit a rifle length gas system with A-frame FSB. Both need to have the delta ring assembly removed prior to installation.

Picatinny: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mctar-22g2-blk.htm

M-LOK: https://www.centurionarms.com/c4-mlok-rail-12in-p/081912.htm