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thepatriot2705
06-18-20, 21:57
Anyone here own a 2019 Chevy 4x2 with a manual transmission? If so how do you like it? I’m about to buy a brand new one for 21.5k. Looking for solid input before pulling the trigger.

Alex V
06-19-20, 07:19
Anyone here own a 2019 Chevy 4x2 with a manual transmission? If so how do you like it? I’m about to buy a brand new one for 21.5k. Looking for solid input before pulling the trigger.

Not sure how much this will help, I have an 2018 auto 4x4 Z71 and really do like it. Made several trips from NJ to N.C. with a trailer on the back without a problem. No reliability issues (knock on wood). The only weird thing is that if you don’t have it in 4x4 it’s FWD. very odd and annoying.

Alex V
06-19-20, 07:19
doubletap...

Nocaster
06-19-20, 07:56
Not sure how much this will help, I have an 2018 auto 4x4 Z71 and really do like it. Made several trips from NJ to N.C. with a trailer on the back without a problem. No reliability issues (knock on wood). The only weird thing is that if you don’t have it in 4x4 it’s FWD. very odd and annoying.It is for sure rear wheel drive when 4x4 or Auto is not engaged.

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Alex V
06-19-20, 09:54
It is for sure rear wheel drive when 4x4 or Auto is not engaged.

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Are you sure about that cause I could swear my front wheels spin if I nail it at a light in the rain....

Nocaster
06-19-20, 09:58
Are you sure about that cause I could swear my front wheels spin if I nail it at a light in the rain....100%. I sell Chevys for a living. When you have the transfer case knob on 2high (2 with arrow pointed up), it's rear wheel drive. If you set it on Auto, then it's rear wheel drive with front wheels kicking in when there's loss of traction. The next two positions are four wheel drive.

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Averageman
06-19-20, 10:01
I bought the first year Colorado.
It's at College with my Son, 350 K on the odometer.

Nocaster
06-19-20, 10:03
Those are awesome. 5 cylinder?
I bought the first year Colorado.
It's at College with my Son, 350 K on the odometer.

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Averageman
06-19-20, 10:17
Those are awesome. 5 cylinder?

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Yes, that's the one.
It's been very well maintained, but if we keep it it's going to need a major freshening up.

C-grunt
06-19-20, 10:43
I got a buddy that is a mechanic for a big Chevy dealership. He says those trucks are overall very good vehicles. However the first couple years of the current generation truck had some issues with the V6 motor. I cant remember what it was but I believe it wasnt a major issue, but if the truck is a V6 maybe something to look into. But I dont think the 2019s have that issue.

Nocaster
06-19-20, 10:53
I think the v6 was fine, but the early 8 speed trannies had issues. 2015-16. To my knowledge they are solid now. I was going to get one, but needed more room. So I bought a used suburban.

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glocktogo
06-19-20, 11:58
I got a buddy that is a mechanic for a big Chevy dealership. He says those trucks are overall very good vehicles. However the first couple years of the current generation truck had some issues with the V6 motor. I cant remember what it was but I believe it wasnt a major issue, but if the truck is a V6 maybe something to look into. But I dont think the 2019s have that issue.

The issue was the lack of fuel lubrication for the valves and more importantly, corrosion mitigation (especially in winter) as it's a GDI engine (LFX series). Some people were putting catch cans on them to help separate moisture and provide some top end oiling. In 2017/2018 they added an internal reservoir in the valley, so it's no longer and issue on '17 and newer (LGZ series). It's a pretty well thought out piece of kit and doesn't require draining like an aftermarket catch can.


I think the v6 was fine, but the early 8 speed trannies had issues. 2015-16. To my knowledge they are solid now. I was going to get one, but needed more room. So I bought a used suburban.

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That was an issue with torque converter shudder and was resolved by specifying a different ATF fluid for all the 8 speed autos. It also extended into the '18 production run. There were some other symptoms such as harsh low speed downshifts and "clunking", which for which reflashing the TCU was advised. They never did a recall, but there are a couple of TSB's covering them.

For reference, I have an '18 ZR2 V6/8spd. My truck has had both of the TSB's performed and has no more issues. Beyond that the biggest complaints center around the factory TCU programming, which causes a LOT of unnecessary downshifts at highway speeds, especially with the ZR2 which has more wind drag than the other trims. Even after the TSB's, my mostly highway 14 mile trip to work would have the trans downshifting to 7th and sometimes 6th gear 5-10 times, depending on headwinds. That's for a mostly flat trip with very little terrain or elevation change.

I bit the bullet and ordered a Trifecta Advantage+ tune, which reprograms the TCU as well as the ECU. It adds 19 lb ft of peak torque and up to 41 lb ft under the curve, which helps a lot. But the real advantage is the TCU shift programming, which is far superior to the factory program. Now downshifts at highway speeds on the same trip have dropped to 0, maybe a couple on really windy days. I figure that alone will do wonders for the longevity of the transmission, which doesn't get anywhere near "hot" temp wise (the DIC shows trans temp).

Sorry for the thread drift, but the current 3.6L V6 (LGZ) is solid. The one thing I have to add is that this engine was originally developed for the Camaro and Cadillac CTS. When they dropped it in the Colorado, they didn't bother to change the cam profiles. That means it's a high winding engine (7200 max RPM) that produces more HP than torque by quite a lot (308hp @ 6800 and 275lb ft @ 4000). It's kind of opposite of what works best in a truck for towing and hauling. It really lives best at 3,000-5,000 rpm. On the plus side, if you don't tow or haul much, it's surprisingly quick AND fast for a normally aspirated V6 truck. Pretty much everyone who's ridden in mine at WOT has been shocked how quick it is. :)

thepatriot2705
06-19-20, 12:10
Thanks for the input. My only real reservation is the towing capacity is only 3500 lbs with the 4 cylinder manual. I’m stuck on manuals because they last forever and I can control the shifting and not worry about a goofy computer. New cars are too advanced and take away from the driving experience imo.

GH41
06-19-20, 13:35
Buying a modern truck with a stick is about like getting one without AC. Your ass will be handed to you when you go to sell it. Don't know anything about the Colorado but the king of small/midsize trucks has been Toyota for many years. My Tacoma has been the best vehicle investment I have ever made.

Averageman
06-19-20, 13:41
Buying a modern truck with a stick is about like getting one without AC. Your ass will be handed to you when you go to sell it. Don't know anything about the Colorado but the king of small/midsize trucks has been Toyota for many years. My Tacoma has been the best vehicle investment I have ever made.

When it came time to send that kid to Oklahoma for an education, I bit the bullet and gave him my Colorado.
I turned around and bought a new Tacoma.
Of the two, I would go with the Tacoma.

glocktogo
06-19-20, 14:12
Echo the others. If you're just going to get a base 4 cylinder manual, go with the Taco.

thepatriot2705
06-19-20, 17:19
Buying a modern truck with a stick is about like getting one without AC. Your ass will be handed to you when you go to sell it. Don't know anything about the Colorado but the king of small/midsize trucks has been Toyota for many years. My Tacoma has been the best vehicle investment I have ever made.

Two things: I keep my cars forever. I still have the car I drove in high school. I’ve had my other car for 6 years.
Also, it’s probably one of the last American made with a stick. I actually expect it to hold its value well

Nocaster
06-20-20, 07:17
Echo the others. If you're just going to get a base 4 cylinder manual, go with the Taco.As a die hard Chevy guy, I agree with this message

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landrvrnut22
06-22-20, 08:52
I had a 2019 4cyl, 2wd, auto as a work truck. I put nearly 50k on it in the 2 years I drove it. The interior is comfortable, even though the seating position is low. The base radio sucks. Loses radio signal way before other vehicles. Apple Car Play is glitchy at best.

The 4 cylinder is an absolute dog. The truck will barely get out of its own way. 0-60 happens eventually, getting on a busy freeway is nightmare. The auto shifts like pudding. The manual is only slightly better. In snow, the 4x2 absolutely sucks. When the wheels spin, the traction control kills all power, and you end you stuck. I turned TC off, and it did a little better.

The absolute worst part of the truck was front wheel bearings. We had 6 of these trucks in the company, and all of them needed wheel bearings about every 25k!

If you want a small truck with a manual, the Tacoma is the way to go. I have an '07 Access Cab, 4x4, 2.7L 4Cyl, 5Spd. It's got great power, a good transmission, and a better interior than the newer trucks. Mine has 160k, with very few problems.

Coal Dragger
06-24-20, 22:53
Toyota Tacoma, go for the TRD Off-road model or TRD Pro, get the V6, get the 6 speed manual.

Getting a 4 cylinder 4X2 truck of any description in this day and age is a great way to be miserable driving it, and unable sell it without taking a bath on it.

Arik
06-25-20, 09:37
Also, it’s probably one of the last American made with a stick. I actually expect it to hold its value well

Just based on that?

Looking at Manheim auctions a 2019 4cyl 2wd Tacoma avg $5k more than a Colorado.

Nocaster
06-25-20, 17:36
Colorados do hold their values very well, as do Tacomas. Maybe not quite as well as Tacomas, but better than most other vehicles. The reason for that is that neither one is available to rental agencies(i.e. Hertz, Enterprise, etc.) So there isn't a steady supply of recent model Tacos and Colorados on the used market

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Arik
06-25-20, 17:38
Colorados do hold their values very well, as do Tacomas. Maybe not quite as well as Tacomas, but better than most other vehicles. The reason for that is that neither one is available to rental agencies(i.e. Hertz, Enterprise, etc.) So there isn't a steady supply of recent model Tacos and Colorados on the used market

Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkNot sure it has much to do with rental. Suburbans are available to rent, plenty of them, in fact they're also used as private limos and fleet vehicles yet they hold their value like Tacomas.

sig1473
06-25-20, 19:55
Suburbans are available to rent, plenty of them, in fact they're also used as private limos and fleet vehicles yet they hold their value like Tacomas.

I didn't get sh!t for my 2012 Yukon XL when I traded it in. Just sayin'.:)

Screwball
06-25-20, 21:13
Also, it’s probably one of the last American made with a stick. I actually expect it to hold its value well

Sorry, but have to disagree. I work on the border, and had a guy come in with a radiation alert. He was escorted from the vehicle (Civic), and the officer that came to move it couldn’t drive it. Had her watch the lane, and moved it.

I asked everyone afterwards on who knew how to drive stick. Younger than me (I’m 32), only 1 person knew out of 8. It is a dying piece of technology... and likely won’t be missed by people leaving school. And while they might hold value, a vehicle is the worst thing to worry about investment.

Now, for the Colorado... I love my 2019. Crew cab, long bed, Z71, with V6. I originally wanted the diesel... but glad I went with the gas one. Build date was after the transmission fix... 03/01/2019. Tows well, and gets good gas mileage. Similar power to a 5.3L... and I’m good.

I have to yank the air dam off before winter this year, and have to install the rear most skid plate (have to relocated a brake and electric line that runs across the same area.

Only issue I had wasn’t even a truck problem. I picked up Rough Country side steps for it... three step setup that runs between the wheel wells (each side, one for each door, and one for bed access). Rusted within 6 months. The powder coating on each weld chipped and began to rust. RC didn’t even reply to my call/email. Went down to Bangor, and had them sprayed by Line-X (bedliner). Really came out nice and likely will last forever.

Arik
06-26-20, 07:30
I didn't get sh!t for my 2012 Yukon XL when I traded it in. Just sayin'.:)Trade ins are what they are.

IDK when you did your trade, or the vehicle specifics but looking at current auction prices. For the SLE those with around 130k - 140k miles sold for between $7400 and $11,500. Condition does play a role as well as color, options and location. Just under 100k miles sold for $13,750

The XLT sold for slightly less but just about all had higher mileage. One with 218k miles sold $3,600 and one with 97k miles sold for $14,700. Between 140-147k miles were just under $7k and up to $9,300


These are wholesale auction prices. In other words what a dealer pays. Then they go on a lot (most of them anyway) and the price goes up