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Outlander Systems
11-26-08, 14:33
Anyone have any experience with this thing? I'm considering jumping on one. The search feature yielded a bunch of dead threads, and I didn't want to start some necromancy.
I had the chance to handle it today at my dealer, and it was silky smooth, lightweight, ergonomic, etc.
Despite it being a totally new platform, it seemed somehow familiar.
I'd originally gone in to see what kind of ACOGs the dealer had, and saw that they still had a KRISS in stock.
On an interesting side note, when I had been to the dealer on November 3rd, there was an entire wall of AR-15s and derivatives. When I went today, they only had two new ARs in stock, both 9mm conversions.
Littlelebowski
11-26-08, 14:37
Sure would be nice if they released a 9mm version.
Outlander Systems
11-26-08, 14:51
I'm all about the .45.
I'm just debating on whether my "end of the year purchase" should be the KRISS or an ACOG.
I'm trying to feel this one out, since it's a pretty sizable investment either way.
The only downside to the KRISS that I can see is that I don't think anyone has it. I'd also be worried about blowing a gunsmith's mind bringing it in for any repair issues.
I got rid of my Beretta CX4, since the mag capacity for the .45 was a joke.
The KRISS has been tickling my fancy for a minute.
The flip ups are almost worth the price of the blaster itself. They are totally Magpulicious.
These weapons are a blast to shoot, even more-so than others. The weapons tend to be ammo specific though. Kriss-TDI put out a list of approved rounds. Though I believe the problems arrose from using cheaper ammo. The ability to double-tap, do controlled pairs, or contiuous suppression is amazing. Kriss-TDI has, IMHO, the best customer service around. I jumped in on the first offering of carbines and while the initial carbines had some issues, Kriss-TDI was more than eager to get my carbine to 100%. It runs awesome now and if I find my previous post from other sites, I'll give you all a heads up.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/Savior_6/Toys/DSC02977.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/Savior_6/Toys/DSC02880.jpg
BTW, TheLandlord think of it this way: Some or all of our gun rights are potentially in jeapordy pending the January Inaguration. They will most likely go after our rights of owning/purchasing firearms and ammunition, before they go after our rigths to purchase scopes and accessories.
Outlander Systems
11-26-08, 15:10
Nice, nice, hardware, Savior 6.
The reliability was something I definitely wanted to know about before venturing on the course of the KRISS. How easy is it to field strip and clean? Another big aspect of the KRISS that concerned me. I have a bad feeling it's a total beast to try and break down.
Despite its looks, it really was a comfortable weapon. I thought for sure it would be awkward, or unwieldy, but it was sitting pretty cozy in my mittens.
Outlander Systems
11-26-08, 15:12
S6: That's what pushed me to think about getting the KRISS once and for all. I'd been wanting one for a while, but never had the chance to lay hands on it. Now that I got to mess with it for a second, I think I'm gonna leap at it.
I think the ACOG fund is now turning into the KRISS fund.
The forthcoming AWB+ is what prompted me to run out three weeks ago, and get probably the last AR-15 I'll ever be able to.
S6:
The forthcoming AWB+ is what prompted me to run out three weeks ago, and get probably the last AR-15 I'll ever be able to.
I know, it's sad that us law-abiding citizens have to worry about this again.
Anyway, there are four main take-down pins that are not hard to remove and then the forward/lower half and rear/upper half are pulled right apart. Not too hard to clean. The only comfort problem that I had was during left handed shooting in which I could not actuate the safety with ease. IMO the weapon is better suited as an SBR to reap the benifits, but that depends on your local and state laws. I have to futher add that is truly a "revoltionary" design and a major leap forward in firearms design. IMO it's nice to have a working piece of modern firearms history.
Outlander Systems
11-26-08, 17:15
You've got me sold. I haven't heard much about it, period, by an actual end-user, so I was trying to feel this one out.
When I get back from the Thanksgiving Holiday, I'm going to scoot over there and throw some money at the KRISS.
Outlander Systems
11-26-08, 17:18
I totally forgot to ask.
Have you tried out the integrated flashlight mount? That looks to be a very excellent integration within the design, to save precious rail space.
As well, do you know anything about adding side rails to it? I didn't see any available from the TDI website; I'm assuming if it was something I wanted to do, I'd have to get some sort of aftermarket rail for it. I have a bad habit of sticking a G2 on every carbine, rifle, and shotgun I have, so if this guy's going to fit in with the rest of the family, it's a must.
Glad I could help nudge you in the right direction.
Outlander Systems
12-04-08, 22:52
Well, Savior 6 talked me into it. I went into my local dealer and scored the KRISS.
Savior, do you have any recommended links?
TheLandlord, actually I don't:(. I bought some mag exstensions from my local range and have jst been happy with the weapon. I'll try to find some links and look for Tom Maffin's #. He is one of their reps and is Awesome in customer service and satisfaction.
Outlander Systems
12-06-08, 14:07
Here's the link comparing the muzzle climb of the KRISS to the UMP45.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2dc_1192243838
I saw one for sale around here, the home of KRISS. It was going for ~$1700. I passed.:(
Sure would be nice if they released a 9mm version.
+1
I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it was in 9mm...if nothing else, its a heck of a lot cheaper to shoot
+1
I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it was in 9mm...if nothing else, its a heck of a lot cheaper to shoot
Especially if it would take Glock 33 round 9mm mags...
I agree with the SBR comments. I have no real desire to own a PDW sized weapon with a 16" barrel. Might as well just get a 9mm AR with a 16" barrel instead.
Outlander Systems
12-06-08, 18:02
I had a CX4 Storm, and ended up setting it free. It was a great blaster, but the .45 had a maximum mag capacity of 8 measley rounds. It really pissed me off that the same setup in 9mm could hold 20 rounds. It never made sense to me why Beretta seemingly abandoned the platform. The mag compatibility between the CX4 and the PX4 was hit or miss as well, which further compounded my frustration.
The TDI KRISS fit the bill for me, as it was a .45 calibre, with a beefy mag capacity, unique features, and comes fully loaded with accessories out of the box. The built-in light feature is placed in the best place: 0 o'clock. The light lines up perfectly with the bore, almost center of the receiver, and means the operator doesn't have the headache of light positioning.
TDI will also modify CRB/SO models to SBRs if the proper paperwork is submitted, approved, etc.
I've always had beefs with the 9mm as a platform. It's nothing in particular, just the .45 is my favourite flavour of cartridge, period. I still own a nine, but my other backup guns are all in .45, so logistically the KRISS made sense, as I've already got a backlog of ammo to feed it.
I don't think the price difference is THAT huge. Wally-world sells 100-round boxes of .45s for $28.99 and 100-round boxes of 9mms for $19.00. It's less than ten bucks difference per hundred. And comparing those prices to .223/.556, you're talkin' oodles of savings. That's if you can even find any .223/.556 anymore...
From what I understand, TDI is debuting this system with the .45, and considering other calibres as well. I suppose time will tell on that one.
The ergonomics are fantastic, though YMMV. I'm dying to take this thing out to the range.
The price is pretty steep, I paid close to two grand with four 30-rounders and the two 13's it came with. That being said, the H&K USC45 is roughly the same price. The same dealer had those in stock as well, and the ergonomics, operational layout, etc. weren't even in the same league in my, take-it-for-what-it's-worth(not much) opinion.
The flip up irons were, interestingly enough, one of the biggest selling points for me. The BUIS is made by Magpul, and they are both rugged and smooth. The damned things are solid as rock, yet move like butter. They're incredible, and if they're any indicator of what the MBUS is going to be like, then I will be replacing all the irons on my other rifles.
I think Magpul and TDI did an extremely kickass job on this platform, and the product is, in short, wicked.
i appreciate your point but...
with the coupons I get from Dick's around here, or with the CCI 9mm Blazer that my walmart carries, I pay $16/100...thats almost half
$14/100 is a huge savings differential for me...
plus, personally, I have absolute faith in either caliber defensively...get your hits, it will do its job...
its personal preference....but if you shoot 5000 rounds of your particular caliber a year, with that difference, I can buy a new handgun....
Outlander Systems
12-06-08, 19:15
You've definitely got me there. The Dick's coupons are great.
Wayyyyy off topic, put has anyone noticed that .223/5.56 in Metal-Cased is going for what FMJs were going for just a few months ago, and FMJ is going for what JHPs were going for? It's dizzying. By that accord, I don't blame anyone for trying to get their money's worth on ammo.
The amount of lead you're slinging down range would definitely make it cost-effective to go the 9mm route. Compound the price difference between the two and you're looking at some serious savings.
If the KRISS was more common, I'd imagine some 9mm conversions for it, but I'm assuming this weapon system is rare'r 'n hen's teeth.
Savior 6, does the optic you're running cowitness with the BUIS?
I've seen two of these at the range. Neither ran reliably. In both cases, the owner appeared monumentally pissed off.
I remain unable to find a purpose for a 16" bbl'd pistol-caliber weapon.
Outlander Systems
12-07-08, 07:45
I'm wondering if it is ammo sensitive.
After the holidays, I'll get it going and give a range report.
I've noticed that a lot of SMGs that are civvy-savvy have a lot of reliability issues. I'm only assuming it's due to the weapons primarily being designed for fun-switches and not semi-auto firing.
I suppose I'll find out.
Savior 6: Do you have the list of TDI-recommended ammo?
I'm wondering if it is ammo sensitive.
After the holidays, I'll get it going and give a range report.
I've noticed that a lot of SMGs that are civvy-savvy have a lot of reliability issues. I'm only assuming it's due to the weapons primarily being designed for fun-switches and not semi-auto firing.
I suppose I'll find out.
Savior 6: Do you have the list of TDI-recommended ammo?
Did you ever get the Kriss? If so how have you liked it over the past couple of years? Did you get the recommended ammo you were looking for?
I've seen two of these at the range. Neither ran reliably. In both cases, the owner appeared monumentally pissed off.
I remain unable to find a purpose for a 16" bbl'd pistol-caliber weapon.
Earlier models had some issues that were addressed. I just put 500 rounds through mine including hollow point ammo and it ran just fine.
Ball ammo had no reliability issues while the hollow points did have minor issues. Still nothing to cry about.
I would take the Kriss in a CQC situation any day of the weak due to its accruacy and knock down power. I mean at 75 feet you could hit one spot on the target and hit the exact spot over and over as fast as you can pull the trigger. Cant really beat that. But to each his own.
knock down power. .
No such thing.
I would love one of these with a short barrel, just for the novelty of it. But as another poster mentioned. I don't really have a need for a pistol caliber carbine.
Did you ever get the Kriss? If so how have you liked it over the past couple of years? Did you get the recommended ammo you were looking for?
Read the thread.....
Read the thread.....
Exactly, doesnt say anything. Where are the pics? Where are the targets? Anyone can say anything...:o
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