View Full Version : The Case of Vanessa Guillien Fort Hood Tx.
Averageman
07-01-20, 21:39
http://https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-fort-hood-vanessa-guillen-body-found-suspect-suicide-army-soldier
I don't know how many of you have been following this, but what was tragic has now become horrific.
They found her body parts in what appears to be multiple graves miles apart.
She was a PFC and an Armorer. Her keys, wallet and ID were left behind at the arms room. She went missing April 22nd. They went to the home of her former supervisor and he committed suicide before taken in to custody.
This really pisses me off because if she was a weapon every swinging Richard on Fort Hood would have been looking for her.
The link you posted didn't work for me. This one is from the Austin Fox station: https://www.fox7austin.com/news/one-suspect-in-custody-for-disappearance-of-pfc-vanessa-guillen-other-is-dead
So if I was reading this right from the other reports, didn't they also find the missing body or parts of it from another soldier that went missing? Serial killer in the ranks?
And yes, I've been following thankfully some people I know that live there were posting about it. Sad, I feel for her family.
Averageman
07-01-20, 21:58
So if I was reading this right from the other reports, didn't they also find the missing body or parts of it from another soldier that went missing? Serial killer in the ranks?
And yes, I've been following thankfully some people I know that live there were posting about it. Sad, I feel for her family.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vanessa-guillen-suspect-in-disappearance-of-fort-hood-missing-soldier-kills-self-when-confronted-by-police/ar-BB16dNAQhttp://https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/06/9876488/vanessa-guillen-fort-hood-missing-soldier-case
In a harrowing twist, the search for Guillen kicks off the same week that investigators uncovered the skeletal remains of Private Gregory Wedel-Morales, one of two Fort Hood soldiers who went missing in 2019 just days before he was set to be discharged from military service. Investigations into the whereabouts of the other soldier, as well as the circumstances surrounding Morales’ death, remain ongoing.
ThirdWatcher
07-02-20, 01:32
Pretty disgusting case.
Averageman
07-02-20, 02:08
And we will never know the details of everything that happened, but that was likely a very horrible death.
I have so many questions.
I'm wondering if she had made any EO complaints, and if there's an investigation that finds out it was swept underneath the rug by her food chain, woof at those negative OER and NCOER's to come.
Something is just not right, I've been in units like that that were jacked up like that before. And when an investigation takes place after bypassing company and battalion/regiment EO reps because a lack of faith, when validated that boot in the ass sideways ain't pretty, especially at the chain and EO reps that failed to do their jobs.
https://haryananewz.com/aaron-robinson-killed-suspect-vanessa-guillens-suicide-death/
Considering how you can't walk into a single building without having EO or SHARP contact info being availible, I am guessing that they seperated them pending investigation and unfortunately one of these parties opted out. Considering the heavy handed approach that I have seen Chain of Commands take in addressing these matters, somebody messed up bad
[URL="http://https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-fort-hood-vanessa-guillen-body-found-suspect-suicide-army-soldier"]This really pisses me off because if she was a weapon every swinging Richard on Fort Hood would have been looking for her.
That’s a very good point that I hadn’t thought of and is extremely infuriating when put in that perspective.
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Averageman
07-02-20, 09:03
Mom and Daughter were very close and Vanessa had complained about her immediate supervisor visor watching her shower and following her on a run.
Mom said Vanessa was intimidated and afraid of turning in a complaint.
I have my own opinions on how stuff like this happens here.
Fort Hood is like the epicenter for a sexual harassment, service members prostitution rings and a number of civilian run prostitution rings involving undocumented foreign nationals.
After 21 years of active duty and another fourteen years working inside units as a embedded tech, I was pretty disgusted. Toward the end of my time the Leadership was not involved in the basic day to day leadership.
Mom and Daughter were very close and Vanessa had complained about her immediate supervisor visor watching her shower and following her on a run.
Mom said Vanessa was intimidated and afraid of turning in a complaint.
I have my own opinions on how stuff like this happens here.
Fort Hood is like the epicenter for a sexual harassment, service members prostitution rings and a number of civilian run prostitution rings involving undocumented foreign nationals.
After 21 years of active duty and another fourteen years working inside units as a embedded tech, I was pretty disgusted. Toward the end of my time the Leadership was not involved in the basic day to day leadership.
Coming from the Marine Corps side of the house and doing my state side contracting at APG, I was blown away the first time I went to a big Army post, Fort Bliss was huge, I could imagine how big places like Hood, Brag, and Benning are.
From the people that I have know that have been to hood, I heard that it can get pretty sketchy, Not quite Fayetvile Sketchy though.
Averageman
07-02-20, 10:37
Coming from the Marine Corps side of the house and doing my state side contracting at APG, I was blown away the first time I went to a big Army post, Fort Bliss was huge, I could imagine how big places like Hood, Brag, and Benning are.
From the people that I have know that have been to hood, I heard that it can get pretty sketchy, Not quite Fayetvile Sketchy though.
We actually had a prisoner escape and get way, way, way back in the training area and after setting up a shack and living there for a couple of months. Nobody found him until he made a mistake and was observed.
Fort Hood is at least the size of a large county, that makes controlling all entrances/exits nearly impossible. A lot of people cut through post just to get to the other side of one of two counties.
Mom and Daughter were very close and Vanessa had complained about her immediate supervisor visor watching her shower and following her on a run.
Mom said Vanessa was intimidated and afraid of turning in a complaint.
I have my own opinions on how stuff like this happens here.
Fort Hood is like the epicenter for a sexual harassment, service members prostitution rings and a number of civilian run prostitution rings involving undocumented foreign nationals.
After 21 years of active duty and another fourteen years working inside units as a embedded tech, I was pretty disgusted. Toward the end of my time the Leadership was not involved in the basic day to day leadership.I was stationed there from 96 to 98 before branch sent me OCONUS, I didn't have the same experiences as you, but I did when I was at NTC, Fort Irwin.
Sad though. Our system failed her.
Averageman
07-02-20, 14:13
The Body was identified as Vanessa this morning, apparently multiple graves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7V1raYQAFo
They should have showed the face of her alleged killer who took his own life like the coward he really was, but nah, can't let that ruin our SJW narrative flow now, can we?
Unfortunately this case will fall out if the news cycle this evening as epstiens girl was caught.
http://https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-fort-hood-vanessa-guillen-body-found-suspect-suicide-army-soldier
I don't know how many of you have been following this, but what was tragic has now become horrific.
They found her body parts in what appears to be multiple graves miles apart.
She was a PFC and an Armorer. Her keys, wallet and ID were left behind at the arms room. She went missing April 22nd. They went to the home of her former supervisor and he committed suicide before taken in to custody.
This really pisses me off because if she was a weapon every swinging Richard on Fort Hood would have been looking for her.
Especially if she had be a pocket nuke.....
They should have showed the face of her alleged killer who took his own life like the coward he really was, but nah, can't let that ruin our SJW narrative flow now, can we?
Check earlier in this thread? The link talks about Aaron Robinson, the suspect whom took his own life. His picture is in the article.
Check earlier in this thread? The link talks about Aaron Robinson, the suspect whom took his own life. His picture is in the article.Have you not been paying attention? Most links won't even show a picture of him, and those that have been making this about her nationality or gender, won't mention his race.
Have you not been paying attention? Most links won't even show a picture of him, and those that have been making this about her nationality or gender, won't mention his race.
I was referring to this........
https://haryananewz.com/aaron-robinson-killed-suspect-vanessa-guillens-suicide-death/
His picture in right in the article or am I not paying attention?
I was referring to this........
https://haryananewz.com/aaron-robinson-killed-suspect-vanessa-guillens-suicide-death/
His picture in right in the article or am I not paying attention?I wasn't, and you're not paying attention. I did say OTHER LINKS, as in GOOGLE RESULTS. Didn't know that I had to enunciate the obvious.
Five_Point_Five_Six
07-02-20, 22:34
Fort Hood is like the epicenter for a sexual harassment, service members prostitution rings and a number of civilian run prostitution rings involving undocumented foreign nationals.
After 21 years of active duty and another fourteen years working inside units as a embedded tech, I was pretty disgusted. Toward the end of my time the Leadership was not involved in the basic day to day leadership.
Back in 2012 I worked with a gentleman who spent a lot of years at Fort Hood. One day at lunch we were talking about the Nadal Hassan murders and the topic of conversation went in the direction you're speaking of and he told me some real messed up shit that he witnessed during his time there.
Ft. Hood has documented gangs, prostitution and drug rings. It can all be found on Google.
In the end, this event will change nothing. The Army will offer platitudes, feign grief for the deceased, some officers will be asked to retire or reassigned. The members of her chain of command will be "investigated" and some careers will end. Since the suspect offed himself it's all nice and tidy to sweep under the rug.
titsonritz
07-03-20, 02:56
Man this is twisted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVqtAojfo3w
ThirdWatcher
07-03-20, 03:55
Time to do a full investigation and then clean house. This garbage cannot be tolerated.
SeriousStudent
07-03-20, 11:41
I wasn't, and you're not paying attention. I did say OTHER LINKS, as in GOOGLE RESULTS. Didn't know that I had to enunciate the obvious.
Goodbye. Your continued pattern of behavior is not welcome at this forum.
Unfortunately, the military is a slice of society, which means there are rapists, murderers, drug addicts, prostitutes, and abusers wearing uniforms. We cannot blame the Army for the killer being a POS.
We can blame the Army for the victim possibly being reluctant to report any concerns she may have had about him.
I heard too many credible stories of predatory leaders and knew too many dudes that simply could not resist the temptation of willing subordinates during my 20ish years in the Army.
IME, during my service, the Army failed at teaching their NCOs just how important their position of trust is to the public and they failed to separate/prosecute predators.
The military is a great place for young men to grow, learn, and see a world many of them would never experience. The Army was damn good for me, and I served with some men and women who were, quite frankly, giants who I can only struggle to emulate. The Army, in my opinion is a less great place for young women.
Andy
BoringGuy45
07-04-20, 08:01
The military is a great place for young men to grow, learn, and see a world many of them would never experience. The Army was damn good for me, and I served with some men and women who were, quite frankly, giants who I can only struggle to emulate. The Army, in my opinion is a less great place for young women.
Andy
One of the problems I've seen is that some, not most, but some have said that because this is the way it is, this is therefore the way it should be. There was a FEMALE Lt. Col. who tweeted that Gullian deserved to die for snitching. I've also heard the argument that "good" soldiers shouldn't go down from crimes against individuals, especially civilians or "weak" soldiers, because their service to America is too important; basically, the Jack Nicholson speech on the stand in A Few Good Men.
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~ There was a FEMALE Lt. Col. who tweeted that Gullian deserved to die for snitching. ~
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Unreal.
davidjinks
07-04-20, 08:19
Link to these “Tweets” from this LTC please.
One of the problems I've seen is that some, not most, but some have said that because this is the way it is, this is therefore the way it should be. There was a FEMALE Lt. Col. who tweeted that Gullian deserved to die for snitching. I've also heard the argument that "good" soldiers shouldn't go down from crimes against individuals, especially civilians or "weak" soldiers, because their service to America is too important; basically, the Jack Nicholson speech on the stand in A Few Good Men.
BoringGuy45
07-04-20, 08:49
Link to these “Tweets” from this LTC please.
https://www.change.org/p/university-of-wisconsin-milwaukee-the-termination-of-uw-milwaukee-professor-betsy-schoeller?recruiter=6308133&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=84b4a8f0-1e62-11e7-8e92-f102a200c150&utm_content=fht-23246839-en-us%3A2
She's since deleted the Tweets, but it's too late. Here's the screenshot.
She's currently a professor at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and she's a retired AF Lt. Colonel.
https://www.change.org/p/university-of-wisconsin-milwaukee-the-termination-of-uw-milwaukee-professor-betsy-schoeller?recruiter=6308133&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=84b4a8f0-1e62-11e7-8e92-f102a200c150&utm_content=fht-23246839-en-us%3A2
She's since deleted the Tweets, but it's too late. Here's the screenshot.
She's currently a professor at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and she's a retired AF Lt. Colonel.
Maybe I am way off base here but I didn’t read that as that Colonel saying she deserved to be killed. I read as her taking a potshot at how bad the system treats those that report sexual harassment.
Averageman
07-04-20, 11:20
It's a mix of cultures and a whole new set of rules to go by, so there is a learning cure, which can be rather brutal for young people not used to the new environment that they find themselves in.
As a Company Commander you're out there on a limb and you're trusting a lot of people to do the right thing, the Armorer and the Supply Sargent are two of the key people in that mix of "high risk" to your career. As a First Sergeant you're supporting your Company Commander by not only doing your duty, but looking out for the interests of the Unit.
That this guys behavior was what it was and no one noticed is beyond my scope of understanding, surely someone had noticed this guy was predatory, they usually hide it well, but they also usually crack and show themselves.
I'm at odds with the above and the statements from the Mother that someone was sexually harassing Vanessa. Why did she feel so afraid of outing this guy? Why did she think there would be some form of retribution? Has this happened in the past with this unit? Why didn't the Mom contact someone if the daughter was afraid?
It's difficult for me to understand how this guy got through the system unnoticed, it's not like these guys have a lot of self control. Someone had to know something. Sexual predators are going to have a difficult time with self control, usually their mouths go off at the right time and your warning light comes on and a Senior NCO will pick up on it.
Also all of this touchy feely kind of Leadership doesn't stop this stuff, it actually can hide or even support some of these guys doing the sexual predator stuff.
BoringGuy45
07-04-20, 12:51
Maybe I am way off base here but I didn’t read that as that Colonel saying she deserved to be killed. I read as her taking a potshot at how bad the system treats those that report sexual harassment.
I did consider that she may have said that sarcastically. However, she has since removed the tweet and there's been no apparent explanation declaring it to be sarcastic or serious.
Sarcasm has no place when you are publicly remarking on a brutal, senseless murder. It's incredibly sad that this young lady was taken from her family, and some bitter old hag using the tragedy to push her agenda is reprehensible.
I understand that she was fired from her teaching position, and I hope that's true.
Andy
BoringGuy45
07-05-20, 08:09
Sarcasm has no place when you are publicly remarking on a brutal, senseless murder. It's incredibly sad that this young lady was taken from her family, and some bitter old hag using the tragedy to push her agenda is reprehensible.
I understand that she was fired from her teaching position, and I hope that's true.
Andy
I Googled her and found that on Rate my Professors, she was not well liked by her students. So, not a huge loss.
This is a terrible story all around really. Death of this soldier as at least getting some real attention, albeit for political gain by some. Regardless, much of the blame is landing on the Big Green for (claimed) failures to really deal with ongoing harassment and such of female soldiers. Fair accusation or scapegoating ? I only know what I hear from the outside, and my understanding is the Army and other branches have stepped up attempting to deal with the issue.
What We Know About the Disappearance of Vanessa Guillen
Specialist Vanessa Guillen went missing from Fort Hood, in central Texas, on April 22. Over two months later, her remains were identified and another soldier was accused of her killing.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/vanessa-guillen-fort-hood.html
Grand58742
07-18-20, 15:06
FYI, we have a thread on this already:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?224168-The-Case-of-Vanessa-Guillien-Fort-Hood-Tx
FYI, we have a thread on this already:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?224168-The-Case-of-Vanessa-Guillien-Fort-Hood-Tx
Doh! I searched and it didn't pop up.
Averageman
07-18-20, 17:13
It's a real shit show at the moment.
A) Because of Covid, the troops were checking in every four hours.
We now know someone had checked her in during the time she was missing, at least one time.
The S-2 does key control for the Arms Room keys
How that slipped past, I'm not sure, but the Staff Duty Officer missed an open Arms Room? The SDNCO wasn't checking in on that unsecured building with an Arm's Room in it?
I'm just guessing that shit was running just like it always does @ Ft Hood, everyone's flying by the seat of their pants just hoping and praying that they can get by at less than 50% effort.
I don’t know about S-2 doing key control but every unit I’ve been in they are held at battalion or brigade Staff Duty in a safe there. Regardless, someone missed or didn’t think anything of it when the wrong person signed the keys back in on the DA 1594(Staff Duty log) and more importantly on the DA 5513, the key control log. Unless the murderer kept the keys and turned them in the next day when there’s a new crew on the desk. But that still questions why they didn’t see the names not matching up for the sign out and turn in.
This whole thing is an all around shit show that allowed this to happen.
Averageman
07-18-20, 18:36
Happened on a long Weekend/Holiday.
S-2 should have had control, she checked them out before lunch that day.
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