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An old friend in the Army shared his views that while 6920s would obviously come back into production and be available for sale again, other runs probably would not be.
Questions for the group:
A) will the 6720 lightweight barrel model return to retail, do you think?
B) what model or models - if any - offered prior to the halt in civilian sales, do you suspect will not return to availability?
Idk, but I just grabbed a 14.5 socom upper from AIM
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My Magic 8-Ball is out for maintenance.
Ask again when I get it back in a couple weeks. On second thought.......
Hammer_Man
07-29-20, 22:44
I’d like the OEM models to make a comeback.
Beat Trash
07-30-20, 11:55
There was a small niche market for the 6720. Most who wanted a fixed front sight gun wanted the 6920 or the 6920 with the even heavier SOCOM barrel. I’d be surprised to see the 6720 return.
I can see the regular and MagPul furniture 6920’s come back. The 6920 patrol guns with the low profile gas block and some flavor of rail. Maybe even the 6920 Trooper.
They would be insane to not offer the 6960.
Perhaps it was a niche market, but I see options that actually fit within today’s market as:
6960 CCU,
6921 SOCOM pinned from factory,
6720-OEM2 (one can hope)
If asking about parts, the barrels to the above rifles would be hot sellers, as would complete uppers. Then BCG.
I left off the obvious 6933, which might do better than a 6720-OEM2.
grizzlyblake
07-30-20, 14:33
I would expect all that Colt will sell to the civilian market is whatever contract overrun stuff they have at the time.
They are adamant about not engaging the civilian market with any sort of branding, marketing, etc. Look how badly the 6960 was handled, which should've been their easiest seller.
If they wanted to give it one ounce of effort there could be $1200 6960s flying off the shelves at every brick and mortar gun store in the nation.
It's like the perfect average Joe or boomer AR. It's from Colt so it's kind of cowboy patriotic, but it has less scary lines than a FSB AR, plus it can carry any good 3-9x40 deer scope.
It's like the perfect average Joe or boomer AR. It's from Colt so it's kind of cowboy patriotic, but it has less scary lines than a FSB AR, plus it can carry any good 3-9x40 deer scope.
Hey now, be nice
There was a small niche market for the 6720. Most who wanted a fixed front sight gun wanted the 6920 or the 6920 with the even heavier SOCOM barrel. I’d be surprised to see the 6720 return.
I don't know about that. A railed 6520 was long requested and was a common conversion before the 6720. The 6720 when offered in (2008?) sold well. I had one of the first, and several more since. As they crept into inventories the weight savings was immediately noticed and appreciated.
That said, 13-15" free float rails are the future. I'd buy 6960s over 6920s, with a (6760?) LW midlength preferred.
Beat Trash
07-30-20, 16:44
In 2008, the market was a bit different than it is now. People want a free floated 13”-15” rail.
While discussing what I’d like to see Colt offer, I’d love to see a 11.5” 6933 pistol.
I also agree that Colt put little effort into marketing the midlength 6960. That gun in an OEM configuration would be an interesting option as well.
grizzlyblake
07-30-20, 17:05
I don't know about that. A railed 6520 was long requested and was a common conversion before the 6720. The 6720 when offered in (2008?) sold well. I had one of the first, and several more since. As they crept into inventories the weight savings was immediately noticed and appreciated.
That said, 13-15" free float rails are the future. I'd buy 6960s over 6920s, with a (6760?) LW midlength preferred.
The 6960 is a LW Mid configuration I thought.
That said, 13-15" free float rails are the future. I'd buy 6960s over 6920s, with a (6760?) LW midlength preferred.
Is there a thread that concisely explains this? I am not a midget and a 12" rail feels long enough.
They would be insane to not offer the 6960.
Perhaps it was a niche market, but I see options that actually fit within today’s market as:
6960 CCU,
6921 SOCOM pinned from factory,
6720-OEM2 (one can hope)
If asking about parts, the barrels to the above rifles would be hot sellers, as would complete uppers. Then BCG.
I left off the obvious 6933, which might do better than a 6720-OEM2.
They did, it was called the AR6720CK-NHG. Some had fixed FSB's, others had shaved FSB's like the 6920 OEM-2. Kind of wish I had bought one.
I don't know about that. A railed 6520 was long requested and was a common conversion before the 6720. The 6720 when offered in (2008?) sold well. I had one of the first, and several more since. As they crept into inventories the weight savings was immediately noticed and appreciated.
That said, 13-15" free float rails are the future. I'd buy 6960s over 6920s, with a (6760?) LW midlength preferred.
Actually the 6960 has a LW midlength barrel.
The 6960 is a LW Mid configuration I thought.
Actually the 6960 has a LW midlength barrel.
Well doggone it, what am I thinking of then... :confused:
Is there a thread that concisely explains this? I am not a midget and a 12" rail feels long enough.
Okay, 12-15". ;)
Today's not my day apparently.
Okay, 12-15". ;)
Today's not my day apparently.
No, I didn't mean it that way. I am just getting back into shooting and I see really long hand guards are popular now. Is it just an appearance thing or do people of average stature find value in a 14" or 15" free float tube?
They did, it was called the AR6720CK-NHG. Some had fixed FSB's, others had shaved FSB's like the 6920 OEM-2. Kind of wish I had bought one.
Well akshually... I purchased one of those. The killer was that unlike the 6920-OEM2 I picked up immediately after, the AR6720 upper’s fronts sight was more “chopped” than shaved. It was not contoured at all, so unless planning to contour yourself, handguard selection was very limited. I had a Troy SOCC that would not fit, but I later put on a 6920-OEM2.
That leads to the handguard length... the 12-12.5” length is right about perfect for me. Pushes any rail mounted front sight and flashlight just forward of the furthest out I would place a hand. I might feel differently if I actually shot for a living and expected to use it against barricades, etc.
I wear 34" sleeves and have found that the 12 or 13 inch rails are perfect for me. I've never liked the added weight or length of the 15" rails, and never needed it for the accessories I usually have on my carbines. Over the years I have had 11 inchers but with lights, slings, and hand stops they could get a bit cramped, so went to the 12-13 inchers years ago.
Hammer_Man
07-30-20, 22:49
On a side note, one of my local gun stores has a couple of new 6920s on the shelf. They had Magpul buis, and were priced around $1169.00 or so. It was good to see new Colts on the shelf, and I’m debating squirreling one of them away. Not sure if I should wait for prices to come down a bit or not....
On a side note, one of my local gun stores has a couple of new 6920s on the shelf. They had Magpul buis, and were priced around $1169.00 or so. It was good to see new Colts on the shelf, and I’m debating squirreling one of them away. Not sure if I should wait for prices to come down a bit or not....
We were in Phoenix last week visiting a friend of ours from M4carbine.net. Stopped in at a local 01 I know, and a friend working there shows me a 6920 that just come in. Ordinary handguards, USGI waffle stock, Magpul rear sight: $1200 NIB.
24 hours later it was gone.
I’m guessing they stick to the 6920 and 6720 for complete guns in the non-NFA market.
If any indication from Brownell’s, maybe see the 6960 CCU, 6933, and 6921 uppers?
Who knows what they will do. It is Colt.
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This is Colt we're talking about here. They'll continue to churn out FSB guns with a dumb profile and carbine length gas systems instead of just making a pile of 6960's and limited runs of clones.
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Idk, but I just grabbed a 14.5 socom upper from AIM
A Colt SOCOM upper? Link? I can't find it.
A Colt SOCOM upper? Link? I can't find it.
Sure here you go! It was Apex, not AIM sorry I must’ve had a brain fart [emoji23]
https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-le6921ck-cmr12-true-socom-upper-assembly-14-5-heavy-barrel-5-56x45-nato-new.html?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Colt+AR-15+Uppers%21&utm_campaign=7-28-2020+standard+news+letter&vgo_ee=%2BDQhpEMLlrR6x9dYs64QznQUJJSi4P3dB7BE1Xn5C7M%3D
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^^^That’s the kind of stuff that will make Colt money.
The vaunted SOCOM profile in the correct 14.5” length, free-floated from the factory with a quality handguard. A bit pricy, but clearly it will well.
^^^That’s the kind of stuff that will make Colt money.
The vaunted SOCOM profile in the correct 14.5” length, free-floated from the factory with a quality handguard. A bit pricy, but clearly it will well.
Yeah and you'll notice they are clearing out Centurion 12" CMR rails in the process (they aren't the MLOK rails as on the CCU and 6920-R Trooper models).
Nice setup and if it was an MLOK rail, I would be far more tempted.
ETA - I know the Apex words say "MLOK" but that is a CMR, non-MLOK rail.
Yeah and you'll notice they are clearing out Centurion 12" CMR rails in the process (they aren't the MLOK rails as on the CCU and 6920-R Trooper models).
Nice setup and if it was an MLOK rail, I would be far more tempted.
I did notice that.
Personally, I strongly guess (is that a thing?) that they had these for the past year and just held on to them until prices came back.
I did notice that.
Personally, I strongly guess (is that a thing?) that they had these for the past year and just held on to them until prices came back.
Or Centurion offered them up at a discount to help clear out inventory - since they have a business relationship with Colt (re: CCU / Trooper). Doesn't really matter, it's just business. :D
Either way, it's not a bad deal or rail, but the ad isn't entirely accurate and since I already have a spare Colt upper (6960-CCU Upper from Brownells that sees time on my 6920-R lower and CM762), I won't be jumping at that price point w/ CMR rail. I have the CCU setup with a Pro and 3x while those two rifles have LPVOs, so it's easy to swap over with no drama if I want to shoot with a RDS for awhile.
Ya that’s a little odd that they say M-lock, but after looking very closely it is a regular CMR rail in the picture. Thanks for pointing that out because you have to look closely to pick that up
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Yeah, I don't think so. I have an unfired "2013" U.S. Government Property marked M4A1 Colt SOCOM carbine and unfired 6960 I'm hanging onto until the price is right. Not gonna dump $900 more on an upper with a handguard like that particular one.
El Vaquero
08-01-20, 20:21
Got me thinking....I’ve been on this forum for quite awhile. In all my time I don’t ever recall seeing someone from Colt (from upper admin position) respond to any posts or answer any consumer questions. That right there says how they feel about the consumer.
Reps from a lot of other fairly large AR companies respond on this forum fairly frequently.
Colt is very content leaving the consumer to be an afterthought.
Colt is very content leaving the civilianconsumer to be an afterthought.
Colt has always been a military focused company and focuses on the military consumer (primarily).
They have recently made some small strides with civilian offerings / focus with the 6920 OEM1/2, 6920-R Trooper, and CCU offerings - but it's all rather piecemeal and definitely 'hind teat' sort of stuff.
No, I didn't mean it that way. I am just getting back into shooting and I see really long hand guards are popular now. Is it just an appearance thing or do people of average stature find value in a 14" or 15" free float tube?
The farther out you mount the light, the less shadowing you get. If you look at this setup, you will still get a bit of barrel shadowing.
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Got me thinking....I’ve been on this forum for quite awhile. In all my time I don’t ever recall seeing someone from Colt (from upper admin position) respond to any posts or answer any consumer questions. That right there says how they feel about the consumer.
Reps from a lot of other fairly large AR companies respond on this forum fairly frequently.
Colt is very content leaving the consumer to be an afterthought.
There are plenty of companies that flat out do NOT want to engage in online forums due to the damage it can cause. Colt doesn't respond to anything or pay for a section on arfcom either. The Avilas charged everyone else, but put a Colt forum there in an apparent effort to make it look like Colt sponsored them (which they did not). While I do not feel that arfcom has close to the knowledge base this board does, it doesn't change that it is a very large forum, which is why Brownells purchased it.
Sadly, there are a lot of people who are less than becoming when they hit their keyboard and post to the internet. Bad PR is a given for almost any company at some point when they dance with the devil.
I did notice that.
Personally, I strongly guess (is that a thing?) that they had these for the past year and just held on to them until prices came back.
I would like to know if that is a complete Colt factory item, or if it is mainly Colt parts (and I don't mean the rail). Everything is listed as Colt except the gas block, and it wouldn't be the first time a company bought a bunch of something, made mods to make it more sell-able (like pulling a FSB), and then put it on the market. I'm not saying they did, but I'm not saying they didn't either. Regardless of the case, I still like the upper, though the ones I have like that are all Centurion Arms.
I would like to know if that is a complete Colt factory item, or if it is mainly Colt parts (and I don't mean the rail). Everything is listed as Colt except the gas block, and it wouldn't be the first time a company bought a bunch of something, made mods to make it more sell-able (like pulling a FSB), and then put it on the market. I'm not saying they did, but I'm not saying they didn't either. Regardless of the case, I still like the upper, though the ones I have like that are all Centurion Arms.
Fair point, but I do think Grant was selling some similarly Colt/Centurion cool combos last year or so. Factory Colt, I believe.
I would like to know if that is a complete Colt factory item, or if it is mainly Colt parts (and I don't mean the rail). Everything is listed as Colt except the gas block, and it wouldn't be the first time a company bought a bunch of something, made mods to make it more sell-able (like pulling a FSB), and then put it on the market. I'm not saying they did, but I'm not saying they didn't either. Regardless of the case, I still like the upper, though the ones I have like that are all Centurion Arms.
It's advertised as coming with the Colt factory box. The gas block is a shaved FSB which you can see when you zoom in. They are selling a Colt 6920 upper as well though with a cheapy Blackhawk quad rail as well with factory box so who knows.
Diamondback
08-02-20, 18:00
Fair point, but I do think Grant was selling some similarly Colt/Centurion cool combos last year or so. Factory Colt, I believe.
Doesn't the 6920 Trooper model leave the factory with a Centurion rail?
Doesn't the 6920 Trooper model leave the factory with a Centurion rail?
Yes, the 6920-R Trooper, 6920-EPR (one iteration), and 6960 Colt Combat Unit all were models with Centurion handguards. Grant (and if the linked upper above is also factory/genuine) had some unique uppers with non-M-LOK Centurions, pinned MD’s, etc.
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