Recommend a quality day/night scope with IR capabilities [Archive]

ABNAK

08-01-20, 17:51

Maybe an IR module I can put out in front of an EOTech or Aimpoint? Shut it off when not using it, turn it on after dark.

Was reading about the Sig Sauer Echo 3. It "looks" about like what I'm thinking of. I wonder though, can you use it during the daytime without being powered-up?

Eurodriver

08-01-20, 21:54

What is IR? IR is just a spectrum of light. You can’t see it without NV.

ColtSeavers

08-01-20, 22:21

I don't believe there are any thermal scopes set up that way. I'm assuming you're not looking for a clip-on?

ABNAK

08-02-20, 08:20

I don't believe there are any thermal scopes set up that way. I'm assuming you're not looking for a clip-on?

Yes, that is a possibility. Do they only work with magnified scopes? Is a particular clip-on made for a paritcular scope?

ABNAK

08-02-20, 08:23

What is IR? IR is just a spectrum of light. You can’t see it without NV.

I'm talking about the optic itself being IR capable, not needing NODS with it. i.e. it displays what you're looking at in IR.

P2Vaircrewman

08-02-20, 09:34

Not sure but a Flir optic may be what you seek.

https://www.flir.com/ots/hunting/

rushca01

08-02-20, 12:58

For anything IR or thermal related I would reach out to TNVC.

I believe if I understand what you want correct in the IR range this is what you are after: https://tnvc.com/shop/category/night-vision/night-vision-scopes/

ColtSeavers

08-02-20, 16:43

Yes, that is a possibility. Do they only work with magnified scopes? Is a particular clip-on made for a paritcular scope?

Your main concern is scope centerline beight, which would be a mount issue rather than a brand/make issue. I do not see why a clip on would not work with any optic provided the centerline heights match.

This may help

https://youtu.be/21u146L1xVU

ABNAK

08-02-20, 18:45

Your main concern is scope centerline beight, which would be a mount issue rather than a brand/make issue. I do not see why a clip on would not work with any optic provided the centerline heights match.

This may help

https://youtu.be/21u146L1xVU

Thanks!

Like I asked earlier, "Is a particular clip-on made for a particular scope?" It looks like the scope objective lens fits perfectly into the IR clip-on. What about an EOTech or Aimpoint?

ColtSeavers

08-02-20, 20:51

Thanks!

Like I asked earlier, "Is a particular clip-on made for a particular scope?" It looks like the scope objective lens fits perfectly into the IR clip-on. What about an EOTech or Aimpoint?

Ah, it's largely irrelevant if your objective is larger than the thermal's ocular end as you're only staring at a tiny screen within the ocular end anyway. Also, as you'd typically be using it at night, you shouldn't have to worry about ambient bleed through since there won't really be any ambient light anyway. It's more of an OCD thing, you could just wrap something around difference between the two if you really wanted to.

lahunter57

08-02-20, 22:21

I'm talking about the optic itself being IR capable, not needing NODS with it. i.e. it displays what you're looking at in IR.

I don’t think you fully understand what you want. It seems like you want a thermal optic, which cannot see anything in the IR spectrum, that you can also see through without it being on. That doesn’t exist. The closest thing to that would be a thermal clip on that you can use day or night (when the clip on is powered on) with your magnified optic or you can remove it when you don’t need it and continue to use your magnified optic. There’s no need to worry about repeatability of zero with this setup as the clip ons are designed to not affect your magnified optic’s zero.

What is your budget ?

taliv

08-04-20, 12:37

. There’s no need to worry about repeatability of zero with this setup as the clip ons are designed to not affect your magnified optic’s zero.

Not to pick nits but all of the clip one require collimation and they can become uncolimated so it depends on how picky you are about your zero. Does it matter if you’re off one inch? Better check it. FWIW I had to two clip one that required adjustment. One had to go back to factory and cost me over a grand.

ABNAK

08-04-20, 17:36

I don’t think you fully understand what you want. It seems like you want a thermal optic, which cannot see anything in the IR spectrum, that you can also see through without it being on. That doesn’t exist. The closest thing to that would be a thermal clip on that you can use day or night (when the clip on is powered on) with your magnified optic or you can remove it when you don’t need it and continue to use your magnified optic. There’s no need to worry about repeatability of zero with this setup as the clip ons are designed to not affect your magnified optic’s zero.

What is your budget ?

I'm starting to get the picture. You're right, the clip-on is probably what I'll be looking for.

Budget? Once I get this treeline trimming job done I'd guess $3-4K. Might be this fall though.

ABNAK

08-04-20, 17:39

Not to pick nits but all of the clip one require collimation and they can become uncolimated so it depends on how picky you are about your zero. Does it matter if you’re off one inch? Better check it. FWIW I had to two clip one that required adjustment. One had to go back to factory and cost me over a grand.

I'd assume that applies to using with a red dot also?

taliv

08-04-20, 19:00

I'd assume that applies to using with a red dot also?

I don’t know. All my clip on are for magnified optics. But if my aimpoint was off an inch at 100 yards I prob wouldn’t notice

lahunter57

08-04-20, 22:46

I'm starting to get the picture. You're right, the clip-on is probably what I'll be looking for.

Budget? Once I get this treeline trimming job done I'd guess $3-4K. Might be this fall though.

I don’t know of a clip on in this price range. There’s a lot more technology that goes into a clip on that really drives up the price. You could probably pick up a decent dedicated thermal optic for that price or you could get into a surplus night vision optic. What’s your intended use?

ABNAK

08-05-20, 17:43

I don’t know of a clip on in this price range. There’s a lot more technology that goes into a clip on that really drives up the price. You could probably pick up a decent dedicated thermal optic for that price or you could get into a surplus night vision optic. What’s your intended use?

To be able to use at night without relying on ambient light.

n4p226r

08-05-20, 19:02

Thanks!

Like I asked earlier, "Is a particular clip-on made for a particular scope?" It looks like the scope objective lens fits perfectly into the IR clip-on. What about an EOTech or Aimpoint?

https://tnvc.com/shop/tnvc-tm14-mk2-pvs-14-weapon-mount/ Would something like this and a pvs14 behind a nv compatible aimpoint or eotech do what you are looking for? You could always add an IR laser and mount it on a helmet later on as well.

WS6

08-06-20, 04:39

Asked and answered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFQR03zleE
https://www.steiner-defense.com/sites/default/files/Specifications/Steiner%20eOptics%20CQT%20300352%20Product%20Specification%20Sheet.pdf

ABNAK

08-06-20, 04:45

WS6

08-06-20, 04:46

Wonder what the price is?

Ah. I just read your $<4k budget allotment. I have bad news :(

L-2

08-06-20, 07:15

Here are some thermal rifle scopes.
Pulsar seems to be the company getting written up lately.
I've not read the articles/reviews and know nothing more.
https://www.amazon.com/Pulsar-Trail-XP50-Thermal-Riflescope/dp/B086FJTT7L

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/08/05/review-pulsar-trail-2-lrf-xp50-thermal-imaging-riflescope/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheFirearmBlog+%28The+Firearm+Blog%29

L-2

08-06-20, 07:16

ABNAK

08-06-20, 13:24

Ah. I just read your $<4k budget allotment. I have bad news :(

Yeah, looked around and if you can find one it's about $9K. Jeesh.....just a tad high for my liking.