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I'm going to start telling people to stop calling our guns 'Assault Weapons', because they are not AWs. Every time we refer to them in conversation, and advertising as AWs, tactical, combat, etc. I think we hurt our cause. So for me it is S/A rifle plain and simple.
Heavy Metal
11-28-08, 15:09
I am partial to Homeland Defense Rifle but I did coin the term.
Rifle, carbine, pistol ... these terms have been around for centuries. They are well-defined and everyone knows what they mean.
Terms like "assault weapon" are moving targets and their definitions are mostly political. I'm not sure why anyone other than a bed-wetting, beret-wearing, clove-cigarette smoking coffee shop-dwelling ****wit would use them to begin with.
On the other hand, I have no problem refering to a firearm as a "weapon" if that is its intended application. Too many people out there seem to have this notion that weapons are bad, and that if it's only meant to kill people then it must be evil and banned/regulated. Those people forget that some folks need killing and it's not always wrong.
Submariner
11-28-08, 16:28
Those people forget that some folks need killing and it's not always wrong.
Sig line material!
telecustom
11-28-08, 17:35
That is a great line. And so true.
They are modular rifles that can be set up for various purposes by changing the length and type of the barrell, the caliber it is chambered in, and easily switching out different optics for long distance shooting in the western mountains and plains, or short distance in thick or dense foliage, or for self defense. This type of rifle can be more easily customized to the shooter with different accessories for a more comfortable, enjoyable, and accurate shooting experience (adjustable stock, front vertical hand grip, rails for lights in self defense or raccoon and varmint hunting, etc) than most "traditional" rifles. Technology evolves.
They are semi automatic rifles; one pull of the trigger, one discharge of a round like a revolver only with the use of a different mechanical technology. They are not as Bo contends, "machine guns that belong on a foreign battlefield" What misinformation and how disengenuous especially coming from an "educated and intelligent" man which leads one to believe it is a lie constructed very consciously. No army or terrorist group would field these particular rifles. This is why the manufacturors of these rifles (Colt, Stag, FAl, CMMG, etc) make LEO (Law Enforcement Only) and Military Only models. Good grief!!!! We as ordinary law abiding citizens cannot purchase these illegal types of true Assault Weapons or Machine Guns period! Get the illegal guns out of the bad guys hands; don't make us law abiding citizens criminals when we are NOT the problem but rather part of the solution. Bad guys want soft targets; I am not one.
We use these rifles for hunting (they make a .223 round suitable for hunting deer and varmints) and they come in popular hunting rounds (i.e. the .308), for larger game. They are also used in shooting competitions and "plinking" (target shooting).
This war of semantics being raged by Bo, bin-Biden, and the media is absolutely infantile and insults the intellligence of anyone with a sixth grade education.
Charlie Golf
11-28-08, 23:33
I like the OPs idea.
And maybe we could encourage our fellow firearm owners that if they are going to, only post videos on YouTube of safe and responsible firearm use rather than some of the ones that are out there that don't do us any favors.
I like the OPs idea.
And maybe we could encourage our fellow firearm owners that if they are going to, only post videos on YouTube of safe and responsible firearm use rather than some of the ones that are out there that don't do us any favors.
Yeah the ones where they show people how to bump-fire are great.... LOL I agree those are the people that will get them banned for sure.
1859sharps
11-29-08, 00:59
Good luck. assault weapon/rifle is pretty entrenched as a label by pro and anti alike.
So what should we call guns that have been dubbed "Assault Weapons/Rifles.
The label has it's origins in marketing and attempts to vilify for justification for being banned. But if Assault Weapon/Rifle isn't a correct or best description what should we call them?
my 2 cents....
Almost every other rifle is described by how it functions, not it's use (out side of marketing that is). example a bolt action, or a lever action, or a pump action.
Personally I think there are only two accurate and correct or descriptive names. Semi-auto or Self Loading Rifle (SLR). I personally favor the term Self Loading Rifle.
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CarlosDJackal
11-29-08, 01:38
Unlike you, I've never referred to either the A-15 nor the AK-47 as an "Asault Rifle" or "Assault Weapon". It's a crying shame that there are still people (like you) who still choose to label these rifles improperly in this day and age. Just like the term "Sniper" has been misused for any murderous yahoo with a rifle. :rolleyes:
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-29-08, 02:04
While we're at it, they aren't Hi-Cap mags, a 30rd mag is standard capacity, a 10 round is a reduced capacity, a 40rnd is just silly ;)
Screw 'em,they are what they are ;).
how about Sport Utility Rifle?
if I have to use words to describe it at all, I start by describing how adaptable and utilitarian it is. most folks are amazed at how it can come apart, that it could change calibers, can change profile, etc., and I make sure I describe all this as practicality, not lethality.
then comes the inevitable question, "but what do you NEED something like this for?".
"for whatever you need any rifle, this just is more practical than something with a wooden stock that you need tools to take apart and clean".
this seems to shut up most of the of the sheeple that have no idea WHAT an assault rifle is other than what they've been told in movies and the news...
It's a Chrome lined death stick!
So if someone has a select fire AK or M16 then what do you call it?
Unlike you, I've never referred to either the A-15 nor the AK-47 as an "Asault Rifle" or "Assault Weapon". It's a crying shame that there are still people (like you) who still choose to label these rifles improperly in this day and age. Just like the term "Sniper" has been misused for any murderous yahoo with a rifle. :rolleyes:
So if someone has a select fire AK or M16 then what do you call it?
A rifle - the same term used by the military and the manufacturers.
SeriousStudent
11-29-08, 11:48
So if someone has a select fire AK or M16 then what do you call it?
You call it something covered under the 10th Commandment. :D
Well I guess rifle just sounds gay, so it's an assault rifle if select fire and an assault styled weapon if semi only. The anti-gun bunnies could careless if you called it a pogo stick. They don't like firearms period.
A rifle - the same term used by the military and the manufacturers.
how about Sport Utility Rifle?
Similar to what I say when asked - "It is a semi-automatic sporting rifle."
"Assault rifle" is certainly a military term. A select fire, intermediate calibre rifle. Select fire ARs and AKs are certainly assault rifles; both were designed from the ground up to be assault rifles. The semiauto variants are by definition not assault rifles.
"Assault weapons" is a more meaningless term invented by the antis, which covers stuff besides rifles. Heavily, but not exclusively weighted towards semiauto versions of assault rifles.
I think antis will just perceive Homeland Defense Rifle or Sport Utility Rifle as PC names for "assault weapons". Heck, I constantly hear antis treating "semiautomatic" as a synonym for "assault weapons".
I just call them rifles or by their general design, AK or AR and so forth, or by the model name. And put "assault weapons" in quotes becuase it is such an ill defined term.
Jay Cunningham
11-29-08, 19:37
"Carbine" works for me - but the TIP says I pronounce it wrong.
Seth Harness
11-29-08, 19:52
I dont really use the term "assault rifle".
When I speak in terms of these rifles, I call them what they are. If Im speaking of an AK, I say AK.
When Im speaking of an AR, I say AR.
Etc...
I was in a gun shop a couple weeks ago and this kid, who was with his dad, asked the guy behind the counter if those guns behind him were "machine guns". The guy behind the counter said "yes".
What a jack-ass. Not one of them were NFA, F/A, SBR, select fire or whatever. all semi-auto AR's. :rolleyes:
The sad truth is that most of the sheeple out there are very persuaded by labels. I honestly feel if we could SUR(Sport Utility Rifle) them, that would keep some of them at bay. Say "Assault Rifle" and their lib press infected minds comes up the with the Doom BFG. Call it a Tigger pogo tail and everyone will have happy thoughts of childhood. How many are going to actually take the time to watch Diane Fienstein demonstrate loading a 75round drum for it to click in...
Now if we can just make the press feel like idiots everytime one of them uses the term "Assault Rifle" since those are supposed to be select fire weapons...not like they dont want to sensationalize things in the first place.
I'm going to start telling people to stop calling our guns 'Assault Weapons', because they are not AWs. Every time we refer to them in conversation, and advertising as AWs, tactical, combat, etc. I think we hurt our cause. So for me it is S/A rifle plain and simple.
Well BATFE calls them SAWs - Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.
I don't think you are going to lose that tag, it is now United State Code terminology.
Somehow I don't think DOJ or BATFE cares what we think they should be called.
30 cal slut
12-01-08, 08:29
"Carbine" works for me - but the TIP says I pronounce it wrong.
car-BEAN
or
car-BUYne
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enquiring minds wanna know. ;)
Well BATFE calls them SAWs - Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.
I don't think you are going to lose that tag, it is now United State Code terminology.
Somehow I don't think DOJ or BATFE cares what we think they should be called.
That Code section ceased to be in force in September of 2004. While there remain many asinine terms in the Code, that is no longer one of them.
thopkins22
12-01-08, 13:21
car-BEAN
or
car-BUYne
:confused:
enquiring minds wanna know. ;)
ToMAYto-toMAWto
I say carBEAN.
Seth Harness
12-01-08, 17:56
ToMAYto-toMAWto
I say carBEAN.
Me 2, the other way sounds wierd.
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Cagemonkey
12-01-08, 18:28
Technically an assault rifle is a rifle with a select fire capability shooting an intermediate powered cartridge. The MP 43 became the STG 44 when Hitler became aware of it and christened it a "Sturmgewehr" Assault Rifle. Semiauto's and rifles firing full power rifle cartridges like 7.62mm NATO are not assault rifles. Using this term does us no favors. The only difference between an AR15 and a common hunting/sporting rifle is cosmetics and a detachable magazine capable of holding more than the standard 5 rds. Civilians have owned and used semiauto / repeating rifles long before our Military adopted them.
Another vote for car-BEAN!
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I dont really use the term "assault rifle".
When I speak in terms of these rifles, I call them what they are. If Im speaking of an AK, I say AK.
When Im speaking of an AR, I say AR.
Etc...
Exactly the same for me. In fact, I know no one that uses the term "assault rifle" who is familiar with firearms.
I dont really use the term "assault rifle". When I speak in terms of these rifles, I call them what they are. If Im speaking of an AK, I say AK. When Im speaking of an AR, I say AR.
Unfortunately, many of the unknowing think AR stands for assault rifle.
Robb Jensen
12-02-08, 05:57
Exactly the same for me. In fact, I know no one that uses the term "assault rifle" who is familiar with firearms.
Exactly !
Unfortunately I have to use the dumb term at work daily when selling ARs/AKs and similar firearms.
VA Code:
XI. PURCHASE OF ASSAULT FIREARMS
A. Definitions
1. "Assault Firearm" is defined as any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock.
2. "Lawfully admitted for permanent residence" means the status of having been lawfully accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an immigrant in accordance with the immigration laws, such status not having changed.
B. Purchase Requirements
Citizenship must be established prior to the sale or transfer of an “assault weapon.” Refer to Section V for statutory identification requirements.
C. Prohibitions
1. It shall be unlawful for any person to import into the Commonwealth or possess, purchase, sell or transfer within the Commonwealth, the Striker 12, commonly called a "streetsweeper" or any semi-automatic folding stock shotgun of like kind with a spring tension drum magazine capable of holding twelve shotgun shells.
2. The sale, rental, or transfer of "assault firearms" by a licensed firearms dealer to any person who is not a resident of the United States or any person not lawfully admitted for permanent resident is prohibited pursuant to the Code of Virginia.
Unfortunately, many of the unknowing think AR stands for assault rifle.
Yep. That nut from NY trying to ban everything also thinks that incendiary and heat seeking are the same thing. :eek:
Well before too long I'm going to make a push on other boards to call them "freedom rifles," especially when talking to folks at work or friends who really don't know anything about firearms. Saying 'freedom rifle' opens up a bunch of great opportunities for teaching the true meaning of the second amendment and the basic right of self protection not only from street thugs, but from a thuggish government as well. You see this type of political correctness all around you today. They're not illegal aliens anymore, they're simply 'immigrants.' As soon as someone hears 'assault weapon,' they automatically think about some crazy guy gunning down people in front of a court room. So why can't we make the terminology work for us?
So far my conversations have gone like this:
Them - 'Oh, why don't you like Obama?'
Me - 'Among other things, he wants to take away my freedom rifles.'
'A freedom rifle? What's that?'
'Well, when our founding fathers talked about the second amendment in the federalist papers, they said that as long as the citizens had access to the same types of rifles issued to the common soldier, the government would never be able to suppress the freedom of the people. My freedom rifle reminds me that I'm a free man. It reminds the government that I'm a free man also."
'Oh. I never looked at it that way. I always though the 2nd amendment was written for hunters and skeet shooters. You're right, Obama is a tool."
30 cal slut
12-03-08, 06:38
might help in coming up with a new moniker:
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sport utility rifle? uninspiring. hackneyed, even.
militia rifle? unfortunately, nowadays the word "militia" has negative connotations.
minuteman rifle? i like it, but the gals might object to the terminology in this politically correct gender inclusive world.
evil black rifle this terminology is in common use right now ;), but ya see, some ladies are slinging pink AR's.
redcoat/haji/zombie/meth-head blaster naaaah, but sounds good. :D
I've always thought Constitutional Rifle was the proper term. 2A doesn't say much about hunting rifles.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-03-08, 11:56
How about rifle?
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30 cal slut
12-03-08, 13:47
How about rifle?
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Rifle sounds good. I have three 22 caliber rifles.
Assault rock, assualt beenie-flip, assault pellet gun. You can call anything used to assault with as such. My weapons, are what they are. "Assault rifle" has a nice ring to pro-gun people. It makes them sound "more devastating". But, I'd rather someone take a pot shot at me with one, than a pot shot with a .12 ga. single shot shotgun. Shotguns, most of you know, were the guns the Nazi's thought were "barbaric" in trench warfare, when mustard gas was in vogue. They fielded some great weapons in WWII, but do you ever see a Nazi shotgun? If I have a mini-gun, and don't "assault" someone with it, it's harmless expensive fun. We shouldn't get too cranked up on words, liberal communists don't need words or logic to try to ban something. Only lies, emotion, and stupid ass support from idiots. I wish this country was divided into two. Who needs the "new" America. Let the fags and liberals have their welfare states, high crime rate, low prison population, no death penalty, and high taxes, and the rest of us can cling to our guns and religion, or beer. See who survives the longest. It WON'T be the sheeple. When the so-called Republicans had power, they should have signed an executive order banning socialists from owning guns or even mentioning the word. When I hear of someone dying in a car wreck, I have an optimistic view that it could have been a commie.
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