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gunrunner505
09-29-20, 20:19
So far.....complete clown show. The moderator isn’t controlling anything.
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BoringGuy45
09-29-20, 20:24
Just give them some gloves and let them fight it out.
With all due respect, no offense, what is the TV mod going to do to either one of them? ban them :) give them infractions? Trump is going to be Trump or maybe that's their strategy to frustrate sleazy Joe.
I agree, it's a cluster fruck. It's WWE with suits and podiums.
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It's twitter in real life.
This is pure comedy, embarrassing, but comedy.
titsonritz
09-29-20, 20:29
"Will you shut-up, man"
:lol:
gunrunner505
09-29-20, 20:30
It’s basically Trump vs Biden and the moderator.
Both are complete clowns. This whole thing so far is a mess.
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Coal Dragger
09-29-20, 20:30
Ben Shapiro predicted Chewbacca vs Swedish Chef. Pretty much.
What a train wreck. It’s hard to watch.
Trump is really shooting himself in the foot by constantly interrupting. He has no decorum. It makes him look terrible.
If he kept his mouth shut and gave the question good Trumpy answers he’d look like a star compared to the bumbling idiot Biden is. Biden just spouts off little mesmerized lines.
Coal Dragger
09-29-20, 20:33
Nah Trump is doing what he does, we know he’s rude, we expect him to be rude.
BoringGuy45
09-29-20, 20:38
I think just about everyone has decided who they're voting for by now. I agree that this would be an easy win for the GOP in November if Trump had even an ounce of class. That's the only thing that's giving Middle America pause about who's the lesser of two evils. He's not helping himself, but Joe isn't coming off as smooth and presidential either, so I don't know if tonight will help or hurt either one of them.
Averageman
09-29-20, 20:39
Biden is ripped.
High as hell.
Grand58742
09-29-20, 20:41
I'll give Wallace credit for hammering the SCOTUS packing question.
To which Biden wouldn't respond.
We are ****ed 1 way or the other if either 1 of them is elected.
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gunrunner505
09-29-20, 20:45
Biden gets to talk, state his complete thought. As much of a mess as that is. Trump gets cut off, by both the moderator and Biden.
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Grand58742
09-29-20, 20:46
We are ****ed 1 way or the other if either 1 of them is elected.
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The Devil you know.
I'd much prefer having a good bottom line and Trump's Twitter antics than Biden and his left wing advisors going crazy trying to make everyone "equal."
vicious_cb
09-29-20, 20:49
We are ****ed 1 way or the other if either 1 of them is elected.
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Is this a joke?
One is a neodem favorite and far left appeaser. One is not.
We are ****ed 1 way or the other if either 1 of them is elected.
For years, American Conservatives have complained that their leaders don't fight and are constantly taken advantage of. Now we have a pit bull going for the jugular of a deep State swamp dweller, and it's a problem?
Averageman
09-29-20, 20:53
And Hunters name comes up.
For the win.
vicious_cb
09-29-20, 20:54
Wallace covering for Biden so hard. As soon as Hunter came up, the moderator shut it down quick. The MSM bought and paid for.
What a train wreck. It’s hard to watch.
Trump is really shooting himself in the foot by constantly interrupting. He has no decorum. It makes him look terrible.
If he kept his mouth shut and gave the question good Trumpy answers he’d look like a star compared to the bumbling idiot Biden is. Biden just spouts off little mesmerized lines.
Agree. He doesn't have to convince us, we're already on his side.
The problem is he has to convince people who are on the fence. I can't see this doing that. He's reverting to his buffoonish self under pressure and it doesn't come across as classy, professional, or inspiring. It certainly isn't going to convince anybody who's unconvinced.
Also I agree Biden is higher than a kite.
Grand58742
09-29-20, 21:01
Okay, Wallace just turned into a complete partisan bitch.
**** that guy.
just a scout
09-29-20, 21:06
Biden interrupts, nothing. Trump says anything, Wallace stops him.
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just a scout
09-29-20, 21:07
Cops need a psychologist to go on calls with them??
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AwaySooner
09-29-20, 21:09
It'll be tactical psychologist.
Cops need a psychologist to go on calls with them??
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Unbelievable: Wallace just now. Are you willing to condemn the White supremacist violence, like what occurred in Kenosha?
For years, American Conservatives have complained that their leaders don't fight and are constantly taken advantage of. Now we have a pit bull going for the jugular of a deep State swamp dweller, and it's a problem?
The problem is this is call presidential debate. There is nothing presidential about this. This is the worst debate I watched in years
Trump has all the firepower to eat Biden for lunch, but he’s not acting like a leader on national TV
Biden on the way, has no clue the **** is he talking about. He’s either reading notes off a screen and someone is reading to him via ear piece.
I’m just sad and frustrated these two are the choices we have comes Nov.
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just a scout
09-29-20, 21:13
The VA is orders of magnitude better now than it was under Obama.
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just a scout
09-29-20, 21:14
The problem is this is call presidential debate. There is nothing presidential about this. This is the worst debate I watched in years
Trump has all the firepower to eat Biden for lunch, but he’s not acting like a leader on national TV
Biden on the way, has no clue the **** is he talking about. He’s either reading notes off a screen and someone is reading to him via ear piece.
I’m just sad and frustrated these two are the choices we have comes Nov.
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As opposed to who?
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Wallace didn't like Trump talking about Hunter Biden, he shut that down quick!
Trump is going after Biden like a pitbull on the neighbors chihuahua, it's not "presidential" but this is Trump, this is the Trump we know. Nothing surprising here, we knew he was going to do this.
Biden looks like a the little kid who got lost in the grocery store.
Grand58742
09-29-20, 21:21
The VA is orders of magnitude better now than it was under Obama.
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Really didn't have anywhere to go but up. One thing I won't blame Obama for is the complete and utter mess the VA was under his watch. He inherited that mess, but...
Didn't do a damn thing to change it either. Just punted like every other President had before him.
vicious_cb
09-29-20, 21:21
Wallace debating Trump on climate change now, is this a joke?
How can you make it this blatant?
The problem is this is call presidential debate. There is nothing presidential about this. This is the worst debate I watched in years
Trump has all the firepower to eat Biden for lunch, but he’s not acting like a leader on national TV
Biden on the way, has no clue the **** is he talking about. He’s either reading notes off a screen and someone is reading to him via ear piece.
I’m just sad and frustrated these two are the choices we have comes Nov.
Trump was elected to fight and ultimately eliminate the deep State. We elected someone from outside of the system to fight the system. Biden is a professional political hack who has been a fixture in that corrupt system. We elected a rough and raw New York real estate developer, not a polished politician with a toothy grin like a TV Game show host. Our champion in 2016 could have been a steel worker or the owner of a septic tank business. It's non-politician versus dirt bag political hack - It's raw and unpolished outsider versus swamp dweller. It's OK.
Wallace debating Trump on climate change now, is this a joke?
How can you make it this blatant?
After complaining about Trump interrupting, he literally interrupts Trump about forest management to ask about the “science of climate change”
Those that wanted civilized presidential debates got John McCain and Mitt Romney. They acted very presidential and respected their communist opponent. They lost.
Like another member posted, we care in the bottom line. Strong economy, strong military and strong America. I'll look the other way on Trump's tweets, his mouth and his ego.
Grand58742
09-29-20, 21:32
Trump just hammered the rigged voting home hard. Wallace didn't interrupt for a change.
The_War_Wagon
09-29-20, 21:36
Trump just hammered the rigged voting home hard. Wallace didn't interrupt for a change.
Biden should've picked Wallace for his veep. :rolleyes:
Grand58742
09-29-20, 21:37
Trump is setting the stage for a contested election tonight.
Grand58742
09-29-20, 21:38
I swear, if I hear Biden say "here's the deal" one more time...
Coal Dragger
09-29-20, 21:38
Well yeah.
10:40PM EST
And.................the post debate media analysis is already calling tonight a big win for Biden and a bad night for Trump.
Predictable
titsonritz
09-29-20, 21:46
I swear, if I hear Biden say "here's the deal" one more time...
"C'mon man."
SNL team won't have to rehearse for the skit...just play highlights.
Hard to be a proud american with the world watching that crap.
Grand58742
09-29-20, 21:50
10:40PM EST
And.................the post debate media analysis is already calling tonight a big win for Biden and a bad night for Trump.
Predictable
Of course.
Fox is calling it a draw, which it really was.
I DEMAND the next debate be moderated by these two
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Chris Wallace is a Chode Munch
vicious_cb
09-29-20, 21:55
I DEMAND the next debate be moderated by these two
Chris Wallace is a Chode Munch
The MSM will never try to make it a fair fight, the mod will always be in Biden's corner.
Diamondback
09-29-20, 21:58
The MSM will never try to make it a fair fight, the mod will always be in Biden's corner.
You're assuming there's gonna BE another debate... my money's on Jill "Edith Wilson 2.0" saying "Joe can't face that monster again."
“How about another joke, Chris?”
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Trump has absolutely nothing to lose.
I think it's safe to say that no one really expected Biden to be the bright brilliant star of the show going into this, so his performance was of no surprise to anyone.
This debate really was Trumps to lose.
With that said, Trump didn't seem nearly as calculated in his responses as I'd have expected him to be. He interrupted Biden often, but didn't hit him nearly as hard as he should have. Very little mention of Biden's many racial comments, no major quotes from the radical leftists that Biden supports, no real mention of Obama and Biden's horrible foreign policy decisions, etc.. There were no "You'd be in jail" moments in this debate.
This debate likely didn't change anyone's opinion.. but Trumps inability to make the punches count certainly didn't gain him ground.
I'm actually surprised at how well Biden held back, despite his obvious frustration. I don't think Trump expected Biden to weather the abuse as well as he did.. which was all Biden really needed to do.
I'm still voting Trump regardless of these debates but.. I'm just calling it as I see it.
He needs to do much better in the next debate.
God please just let Trump bring up Cornpop
God please just let Trump bring up Cornpop
That would be the ultimate.
Of course.
Fox is calling it a draw, which it really was.
I would agree calling it a draw. Trump played defense all night and Biden was just....Biden
Trump interrupted far too much and should have let China Joe talk himself into a corner. It didn't help that Wallace was chosen to be the moderator, but Trump knew what to expect from him going into the debate.
China Joe was lying all night, which was obvious to anyone paying attention. Biden also sounded like a walking Democrat talking point.
Trump got out some good information for people not paying attention, but his demeanor may have turned some pussies off.
I can't argue too much calling it a draw, but thought Trump squeaked out a victory in the end.
Coal Dragger
09-29-20, 22:33
The debates will change no one’s mind, there are no undecided voters. There are only Trump voters, Biden voters, and voters for either who refuse to give pollsters any data.
titsonritz
09-29-20, 22:35
God please just let Trump bring up Cornpop
He's a bad dude.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-29-20, 22:37
Trump can't be out of the spotlight for more than 5 seconds. If he were around people immolating themselves, he grab a gas can to get in on it.
It was like two old guys trying to whip each other with a cooked spaghetti noodle.
Biden's worst enemy is Biden, Trump's worst enemy is himself. The bums rush Trump gave him to start was OK, get Biden off base and tempo, but Trump should have STFU.
The biggest mistake by Trump's side was 90 minutes. They should have pushed for 3 hours, or at least 2 hours. Biden was fading fast there at the end.
Just a few hours of debate prep for some good stock one liners or points and Trump could have carried the day. A direct way to reframe Charlottesville, Floyd, and Russia-gate, but nooooo some old semi-coherent answers. If he had any discipline at all he would be lethal, to other people, not just himself. Biden suffers from elder abuse, Trump just abuses himself.
Biden called the sitting POTUS a 'clown' to his face on national TV. What a sad day.
Steve Shannon
09-29-20, 23:15
Part way through the debate I got a call about an extended warranty.
I took it.
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I see it the same way glad we have someone with backbone finally
Chris and biden of course were on the white supremacist are good people so even the moderator is lying though ? And other things were lied and Wallace does nothing like hunter taking money and so on
For years, American Conservatives have complained that their leaders don't fight and are constantly taken advantage of. Now we have a pit bull going for the jugular of a deep State swamp dweller, and it's a problem?
Part way through the debate I got a call about an extended warranty.
I took it.
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And that dear M4C readers, is America’s sentiment for this evening.
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LOOK MAN ! HERE”S THE DEAL !
HEY HEY LOOK MAN ! I AM THE GUY THAT ...
I swear, if I hear Biden say "here's the deal" one more time...
titsonritz
09-29-20, 23:28
Of course.
Fox is calling it a draw, which it really was.
Hannity said Trump 'steamrolled' Biden in first debate. I agree it was closer to a draw with a slight edge to Trump.
Honestly, Biden did better than I expected him to, I think if the debate lasted another half hour he would have run out of stream and it would have been a better clown show.
Coal Dragger
09-29-20, 23:56
We really need to see the 4 hour long Joe Rogan moderated debate happen.
Caught some highlights. here are my thoughts
I don't think this debate changes the minds of most people that tuned in. I think for the the remaining portion, they are just generally confused and even if they make a decision, they will not really understand why they made that decision.
While I will vote for Trump based on judicial nominees, I find both of them annoying. Trump is abrasive when he doesnt have to be and Biden is a life long politician
As for how this plays out, I think maybe net Trump,
Diamondback
09-30-20, 00:14
We really need to see the 4 hour long Joe Rogan moderated debate happen.
Never gonna happen, too hostile for Dementia Joe. As it is, if there are any more debates all the mods are gonna be tag-team partners with him...
titsonritz
09-30-20, 00:52
We really need to see the 4 hour long Joe Rogan moderated debate happen.
Biden would be wheeled out on a stretcher.
Grand58742
09-30-20, 01:14
Hannity said Trump 'steamrolled' Biden in first debate. I agree it was closer to a draw with a slight edge to Trump.
Honestly, Biden did better than I expected him to, I think if the debate lasted another half hour he would have run out of stream and it would have been a better clown show.
I think it could have happened in the first 90 minutes had Trump stopped interrupting and Wallace not picking sides.
Fox should be ashamed of themselves for allowing him to moderate.
Coal Dragger
09-30-20, 01:15
Well one could hope....
Hannity said Trump 'steamrolled' Biden in first debate.
Hannity: the self-abasing monkey butler for the Trump regime (Kevin Williamson) :haha:
I stopped watching at 10 and went to bed but a couple of things were clear to me.
This was Wallace and Biden v Trump
Trump was Trump, a mad dog, just like I like him and Wallace tried to run interference for Biden
Biden has prepared statements rather than answers to the questions and pandered to the camera. He didn’t debate anything
teufelhund1918
09-30-20, 07:09
For years, American Conservatives have complained that their leaders don't fight and are constantly taken advantage of. Now we have a pit bull going for the jugular of a deep State swamp dweller, and it's a problem?
This is 100% correct. This is the main reason why I like Trump as President. He doesn't pull punches and is alot smarter about what he does than people give him credit for. Even though it was chaos, I think Trump drank Biden's milkshake last night. Just looking at Biden, he physically looks sick with one foot in the grave. And I think there is something to the accusations that Biden was pumped full of something to give him the stamina to make it though the debate without his requested breaks every 30 minutes. That request in itself was telling as to Biden's physical and mental state.
I've had the night to let the "debate" marinade in my mind overnight. I get the impression that many Trump supporters have wanted him to become more presidential, and let the office and system mold him into something more genteel and statesman like. That hasn't happened. There are many Republicans who cringe every time the President speaks or tweets, begging him to tone it down and try to fit in to that D.C. crowd.
Then there's Betty Jo Van Dusen, soccer mom, PTA board member, and generally nice suburban dweller in Gwinnett County, Georgia. Betty Jo has to mute the TV or turn the channel to the Food Network every time the President appears because bad Orange Man upsets her delicate constitution and is a bad example for little Jimmy and Susie. Betty Jo Van Dusen is the type of voter who would select a Socialist because of style, not substance. There are millions of these type of voters out there, and they will sell out you and me, and the rest of the Country because they have no concern for what is really going on.
Based on what I heard last night, it's possible we just might lose this election, and instead of Uncle Sam, we get Uncle Joe (as in Joe Stalin). Biden won't deny that the devilcrats plan to pack the Supreme Court, raise taxes to confiscatory levels, and take your guns. I think we are at the beginning of a new dark age in America. Get ready to hide your guns and plan to hide your money. For those of us self-employed, hiding money is easy. If you're a salaried or hourly employee, that's gonna be tough.
I stopped watching after 10 minutes and it doesn't sound like I missed anything. I honestly do not believe there are any fence sitters this year. The only things that matter are election fraud and who can motivate their base to actually vote.
Andy
I stopped watching after 10 minutes and it doesn't sound like I missed anything. I honestly do not believe there are any fence sitters this year. The only things that matter are election fraud and who can motivate their base to actually vote.
Andy
You are not.
The only reason I watched it’s wanna know if any of these two genius actually has a plan for the conrona virus moving forward. Instead, these two clowns were pointing finger to each other and telling the whole world they are liars.
Hopefully the 2nd debate will be more meaningful
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I did not watch it. We all knew how it was going to go down, and we all know there are no undecideds any more. There are people who will vote for Biden simply to 'not vote' for Trump; or, who simply won't vote at all. This is where Trump will lose the election. I am hopeful, just barely, that the pro-Trump folks are staying underground until Nov 3 and not taking the bait of polling and will crush the Nov 3 polls en masse.
I stopped watching after 10 minutes and it doesn't sound like I missed anything. I honestly do not believe there are any fence sitters this year. The only things that matter are election fraud and who can motivate their base to actually vote.
Andy
I watched the entire thing - start to finish. I wanted to see everything, good or bad. Information is power and I gain knowledge by watching what the enemy says and does, and I gain information by watching how our own side does. We are in the early stages of a cultural and social civil war, and I have read the comments by many online who say the same thing - "I turned it off after a few minutes". Why?
Not that I'm directing this at AndyLate, but many on our side take a haughty tone and virtue signal that this sort of "debate" is beneath their elevated concept of political behavior. We are in a real nasty fight for America, and we either fight now with words and votes, or we'll be fighting with bullets and other forms of destruction.
Whiskey_Bravo
09-30-20, 08:22
This is 100% correct. This is the main reason why I like Trump as President. He doesn't pull punches and is alot smarter about what he does than people give him credit for. Even though it was chaos, I think Trump drank Biden's milkshake last night. Just looking at Biden, he physically looks sick with one foot in the grave. And I think there is something to the accusations that Biden was pumped full of something to give him the stamina to make it though the debate without his requested breaks every 30 minutes. That request in itself was telling as to Biden's physical and mental state.
Agreed. As soon as it started I mentioned to my wife Biden looked hyped up on something. It was obvious as the debate went on that it was wearing off. By the end he was just standing there barely responding to anything Trump said and seemed to almost be slurring some words.
teufelhund1918
09-30-20, 08:27
Agreed. As soon as it started I mentioned to my wife Biden looked hyped up on something. It was obvious as the debate went on that it was wearing off. By the end he was just standing there barely responding to anything Trump said and seemed to almost be slurring some words.
yeap, he couldn't complete sentences, changed his "train" of though midway between statements, apparently looked down at a sheet with prepared notes and stumbled quite a bit. Something is obviously up with him. I guess you could say that Democrats are guilty of elder abuse. They are using him knowing that he will not last past a few months as president and that Harris will take over and put a commie agenda into place. On one level, I feel sorry for him that he isn't cognizant enough to realize he is being used.
gunrunner505
09-30-20, 09:15
Watched the whole thing. I think there were a few instances, 3 or so, where Trump missed an easy opportunity to knock one out of the park and just humiliate Biden. I’m disappointed in that. But Wallace would have interrupted at the first tone of missile lock and changed direction. Saving Joes ass.
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Watched the whole thing. I think there were a few instances, 3 or so, where Trump missed an easy opportunity to knock one out of the park and just humiliate Biden. I’m disappointed in that. But Wallace would have interrupted at the first tone of missile lock and changed direction. Saving Joes ass.
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I tried to find the article and of course now I can't, it seems a lot of journalists called out Wallace as being too hard on Trump, too soft on Biden, and generally allowing Biden to skate.
I told my wife that this is a Trump vs Harris election.
We all know Biden is just standing in at this point.
gunrunner505
09-30-20, 09:53
I tried to find the article and of course now I can't, it seems a lot of journalists called out Wallace as being too hard on Trump, too soft on Biden, and generally allowing Biden to skate.
Trump could have annihilated Biden on the crime Bill (racism), the economy, extortion of the Ukrainian government, we have you bragging about it on video Joe. We have it on video. And he wants to talk about what the Obama administration built? Joe, did you sleep for 8 years? How can you say any of that with a straight face? Biden can probably sell the shit out of used cars.....
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Those that wanted civilized presidential debates got John McCain and Mitt Romney. They acted very presidential and respected their communist opponent. They lost.
Like another member posted, we care in the bottom line. Strong economy, strong military and strong America. I'll look the other way on Trump's tweets, his mouth and his ego.
Exactly. Remember milk toast McCain telling the world that Obama was a good man? Instead McCain should have said that he was a hard core Marxist who attended a racist, anti-American church and mentored at the feet of a convicted terrorist.
P2Vaircrewman
09-30-20, 09:59
For years, American Conservatives have complained that their leaders don't fight and are constantly taken advantage of. Now we have a pit bull going for the jugular of a deep State swamp dweller, and it's a problem?
Well said.
sundance435
09-30-20, 10:06
I've had the night to let the "debate" marinade in my mind overnight. I get the impression that many Trump supporters have wanted him to become more presidential, and let the office and system mold him into something more genteel and statesman like. That hasn't happened. There are many Republicans who cringe every time the President speaks or tweets, begging him to tone it down and try to fit in to that D.C. crowd.
Then there's Betty Jo Van Dusen, soccer mom, PTA board member, and generally nice suburban dweller in Gwinnett County, Georgia. Betty Jo has to mute the TV or turn the channel to the Food Network every time the President appears because bad Orange Man upsets her delicate constitution and is a bad example for little Jimmy and Susie. Betty Jo Van Dusen is the type of voter who would select a Socialist because of style, not substance. There are millions of these type of voters out there, and they will sell out you and me, and the rest of the Country because they have no concern for what is really going on.
Based on what I heard last night, it's possible we just might lose this election, and instead of Uncle Sam, we get Uncle Joe (as in Joe Stalin). Biden won't deny that the devilcrats plan to pack the Supreme Court, raise taxes to confiscatory levels, and take your guns. I think we are at the beginning of a new dark age in America. Get ready to hide your guns and plan to hide your money. For those of us self-employed, hiding money is easy. If you're a salaried or hourly employee, that's gonna be tough.
This, 100%
sundance435
09-30-20, 10:09
Trump could have annihilated Biden on the crime Bill (racism), the economy, extortion of the Ukrainian government, we have you bragging about it on video Joe. We have it on video. And he wants to talk about what the Obama administration built? Joe, did you sleep for 8 years? How can you say any of that with a straight face? Biden can probably sell the shit out of used cars.....
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I can get past the lack of decorum, because it's Trump. If he rises above the occasion, I'm pleasantly surprised. If not, it doesn't really change anything for me. However, it was totally unacceptable to me how he whiffed on numerous softballs that Biden teed up for him. Trump's style is his greatest strength and weakness. If he'd taken a god damn note during the entire thing to recall some of the gibberish Joe said, it would've been a home run of a debate. It's hard to take notes when you're interrupting, though. Just needle Biden and let him dig himself into a hole - it was counterproductive to go at him that hard.
BoringGuy45
09-30-20, 10:12
I've had the night to let the "debate" marinade in my mind overnight. I get the impression that many Trump supporters have wanted him to become more presidential, and let the office and system mold him into something more genteel and statesman like. That hasn't happened. There are many Republicans who cringe every time the President speaks or tweets, begging him to tone it down and try to fit in to that D.C. crowd.
Then there's Betty Jo Van Dusen, soccer mom, PTA board member, and generally nice suburban dweller in Gwinnett County, Georgia. Betty Jo has to mute the TV or turn the channel to the Food Network every time the President appears because bad Orange Man upsets her delicate constitution and is a bad example for little Jimmy and Susie. Betty Jo Van Dusen is the type of voter who would select a Socialist because of style, not substance. There are millions of these type of voters out there, and they will sell out you and me, and the rest of the Country because they have no concern for what is really going on.
Based on what I heard last night, it's possible we just might lose this election, and instead of Uncle Sam, we get Uncle Joe (as in Joe Stalin). Biden won't deny that the devilcrats plan to pack the Supreme Court, raise taxes to confiscatory levels, and take your guns. I think we are at the beginning of a new dark age in America. Get ready to hide your guns and plan to hide your money. For those of us self-employed, hiding money is easy. If you're a salaried or hourly employee, that's gonna be tough.
Of course, a lot will depend on the Senate. Things are up in the air with that, but if the GOP holds it, Biden/Harris will only be able to do minimal damage. Packing the court will be out of the question for at least two years.
Averageman
09-30-20, 10:50
Chris Wallace should be fired from Fox.
That was Amazingly biased. Trump gets Biden on the ropes, Wallace swoops in to separate the fighters.
Fox is more MSM,than ever before.
I don't know who made this and if the numbers add up correctly, but I watched the entire debate and it sure feels accurate:
https://i.imgur.com/tvuVrPQ.jpg
I am long off the Trump train but will still vote for him solely because I don’t want Biden.
Now is the time for Trump to be WORSE. Like get low, get cruel, get vicious.
Literally put on clown make up and ask to be introduced as Joker.
They blame him for all the trouble that THEY started. He should bring that up.
Of course, a lot will depend on the Senate. Things are up in the air with that, but if the GOP holds it, Biden/Harris will only be able to do minimal damage. Packing the court will be out of the question for at least two years.
I think it's "up in the air" that we even hold the Senate. There are some tight Senate races where the GOP incumbent could lose. If we lose the Senate, it's going to be a shit storm of Biblical proportions. You can't count on anything anymore.
I am long off the Trump train but will still vote for him solely because I don’t want Biden.
Now is the time for Trump to be WORSE. Like get low, get cruel, get vicious.
Literally put on clown make up and ask to be introduced as Joker.
They blame him for all the trouble that THEY started. He should bring that up.
I'm still on the Trump Train, but I'm riding in the Caboose. If it derails, I'll see it happening before it gets to my car and can apply the emergency brakes.
They blame him for all the trouble that THEY started. He should bring that up.
He kinda did; it was toward the beginning when they went off the rails into Corona-chan territory.
Of course it was also mid interruption and counter interruption, so...
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-30-20, 11:33
This is 100% correct. This is the main reason why I like Trump as President. He doesn't pull punches and is alot smarter about what he does than people give him credit for. Even though it was chaos, I think Trump drank Biden's milkshake last night. Just looking at Biden, he physically looks sick with one foot in the grave. And I think there is something to the accusations that Biden was pumped full of something to give him the stamina to make it though the debate without his requested breaks every 30 minutes. That request in itself was telling as to Biden's physical and mental state.
I watched the entire thing - start to finish. I wanted to see everything, good or bad. Information is power and I gain knowledge by watching what the enemy says and does, and I gain information by watching how our own side does. We are in the early stages of a cultural and social civil war, and I have read the comments by many online who say the same thing - "I turned it off after a few minutes". Why?
Not that I'm directing this at AndyLate, but many on our side take a haughty tone and virtue signal that this sort of "debate" is beneath their elevated concept of political behavior. We are in a real nasty fight for America, and we either fight now with words and votes, or we'll be fighting with bullets and other forms of destruction.
Trump is a fighter, but he swings wildly, gets gassed and ends up hitting himself.
I’ve been in sales and marketing for 20 years and you know what is the hardest thing to do? Make your point, and then STFU and let the other side talk itself into a mistake. People hate silence, and it takes YUGE self control not to let the other side off by talking and saving them. Trump can’t do that . Most NYC assholes can’t.
When Wallace swept in to save Biden, Trump should have said “Shhhhhhh,shh,shhh- Mike, he’s a big boy, let him answer.” Instead Trump gave them verbal camouflage to sneak away.
This was his chance to show that he is a rational leader, and he failed. Being behind, he could have won the race last night- instead he cemented the charactature, luckily Biden didn’t fare much better.
Trump has faced in these presidential elections two of the Democrats weakest candidates and for some reason he won’t put in the effort to actually knock them out. I’m starting to think Trump doesn’t want to win Bigley, because he is too addicted to the chaos of a tight race. Bill Clinton would have cleaned his clock.
I can get past the lack of decorum, because it's Trump. If he rises above the occasion, I'm pleasantly surprised. If not, it doesn't really change anything for me. However, it was totally unacceptable to me how he whiffed on numerous softballs that Biden teed up for him. Trump's style is his greatest strength and weakness. If he'd taken a god damn note during the entire thing to recall some of the gibberish Joe said, it would've been a home run of a debate. It's hard to take notes when you're interrupting, though. Just needle Biden and let him dig himself into a hole - it was counterproductive to go at him that hard.
Well put.
Diamondback
09-30-20, 11:51
I'm just gonna drop one observation...
Joe Biden tacitly if not actively supports people who literally WANT ME (and most of this site) DEAD, and actively seeks to deprive us of means to resist these human predators. Donald Trump wants to make life harder for said predators, and is at least lukewarm on Hardware Issues.
Easy choice, even though I don't like either very much...
Dr. Bullseye
09-30-20, 12:12
Chris Wallace's family should seriously look into honor killing.
gunrunner505
09-30-20, 12:41
Chris Wallace's family should seriously look into honor killing.
Them or him? Either way, put someone out of their misery.
Whichever way this goes this will be the most fraudulent election in American history. You will see some underhanded shit from the left that you never even thought of. Just watch.
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Averageman
09-30-20, 13:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWeimMQYzvU
We've raised several generations of pussy's; if this seriously offends you, you need to check your package.
You don't need to sit down and shut the "F" up if you're hearing a liar tell lies especially if those lies are about you.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure about ten minutes in to that my Dad would have beat Biden to a pulp and suplexed Chris Wallace like a fence post.
gunrunner505
09-30-20, 13:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWeimMQYzvU
We've raised several generations of pussy's; if this seriously offends you, you need to check your package.
You don't need to sit down and shut the "F" up if you're hearing a liar tell lies especially if those lies are about you.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure about ten minutes in to that my Dad would have beat Biden to a pulp and suplexed Chris Wallace like a fence post.
Absolutely. We live in an age where being an asshole is fine and if you say anything about it then there’s something wrong with you. Too many people are far too comfortable running their chili hole and not getting punched in the mouth for it. But that’s just me.
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MikhailBarracuda91
09-30-20, 13:55
I mean in all seriousness what happens when Biden has a heart attack or overdoses at the podium? We're already at the cusp of major civil unrest, far worse than we've seen so far.
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gunrunner505
09-30-20, 14:03
Double tap
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I mean in all seriousness what happens when Biden has a heart attack or overdoses at the podium? We're already at the cusp of major civil unrest, far worse than we've seen so far.
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You'll get to hear the left shriek about how "Trump killed him! You see, words ARE violence!" :laugh:
And now for an accurate pre-enactment of the debate;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcLGaA9V21I
SomeOtherGuy
09-30-20, 14:28
https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-come-out-of-debate-excited-by-their-two-great-choices
U.S.—Millions of Americans tuned in Tuesday night to finally see President Trump and Joe Biden debate on stage. And the reaction was pure excitement.
“Wow! They both did so great!” said Felicia Burns, a nurse who watched from home. “One of those two will be running the country for the next four years? How can you not be optimistic?”
Everett Carter, a mechanic, agreed. “They both came off as very old,” Carter stated. “I mean just think of the knowledge and experience of those two. And Biden has been in government for 47 years -- he must know how to do everything. Trump was so combative -- that guy has so much enthusiasm and energy. They’re both just awesome.”
A poll conducted right after the debate had a full 98% of people unable to pick a winner because both candidates did such a great job addressing all the concerns of the American people.
also
https://babylonbee.com/news/broadcast-signal-accidentally-picks-up-two-old-men-yelling-at-each-other-instead-of-presidential-debate
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-you-have-to-elect-me-to-find-out-what-my-policy-positions-are
basically true...
https://babylonbee.com/news/chris-wallace-excuses-himself-in-middle-of-debate-to-jump-into-volcano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWeimMQYzvU
We've raised several generations of pussy's; if this seriously offends you, you need to check your package.
You don't need to sit down and shut the "F" up if you're hearing a liar tell lies especially if those lies are about you.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure about ten minutes in to that my Dad would have beat Biden to a pulp and suplexed Chris Wallace like a fence post.
I detest that putz with every fiber of my being.
But he's not wrong here. :(
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StovePipe_Jammer
09-30-20, 17:14
Everything Trump had said, especially the way he said it, felt like a long overdue verbal dump. The subjects have been played down for years by the media or the D's have looked the other way on. Trump finally had an audience that really encompassed the left, right and middle. He took every opportunity to drop info and call out Biden's views and history.
Wallace was awful. It felt like it was him and Biden versus Trump. Every time I expected Trump to get his turn for a rebuttal, Wallace just ignored it and moved on.
Now I'm hearing they are talking about changing the debate rules for the next round. The next moderator may have the ability to cut the mic of a certain debater "if needed". If they push on with a change like that to the debates, combined with obviously biased moderators, I think last night will look like a warm up compared to what's to come.
LMT Shooter
09-30-20, 17:27
My friends & I were talking about last night after seeing how it went full retard, Jerry Springer style. Set it up where their mikes are alternately either on, or off, for equal, predetermined lengths of time. Talk all you want during your opponents time, nobody will hear a word of it.
They were both acting like retards, it was embarrassing to watch. Either rein them in, or get Big John McCarthy to moderate it.
I watched the entire thing - start to finish. I wanted to see everything, good or bad. Information is power and I gain knowledge by watching what the enemy says and does, and I gain information by watching how our own side does. We are in the early stages of a cultural and social civil war, and I have read the comments by many online who say the same thing - "I turned it off after a few minutes". Why?
Not that I'm directing this at AndyLate, but many on our side take a haughty tone and virtue signal that this sort of "debate" is beneath their elevated concept of political behavior. We are in a real nasty fight for America, and we either fight now with words and votes, or we'll be fighting with bullets and other forms of destruction.
Even if you were directing it at me, no offense taken. It's not haughtiness on my part - we are not all gifted with the same ability to manage anger and distance ourselves. I don't need to lose a nights sleep dwelling on the garbage some senile sellout is spouting unless he is explaining how he processed his coked out son sleeping with his other son's widow.
Andy
My friends & I were talking about last night after seeing how it went full retard, Jerry Springer style. Set it up where their mikes are alternately either on, or off, for equal, predetermined lengths of time. Talk all you want during your opponents time, nobody will hear a word of it.
They were both acting like retards, it was embarrassing to watch. Either rein them in, or get Big John McCarthy to moderate it.
Which might work if the moderators were unbiased. But they aren’t, so it would end up being Punch Drunk Joe getting all the air time.
Set it up where their mikes are alternately either on, or off, for equal, predetermined lengths of time. Talk all you want during your opponents time, nobody will hear a word of it
The other candidate will hear it, and that is all that matters. Trump interruptions threw Biden off his train of thought nearly every time. Whether I heard it on TV or not would not change this.
The mistake was allowing 2 minutes to respond and thinking neither candidate would interrupt the other. Should have been 30 seconds max.
MikhailBarracuda91
09-30-20, 19:01
The other candidate will hear it, and that is all that matters. Trump interruptions threw Biden off his train of thought nearly every time. Whether I heard it on TV or not would not change this.
The mistake was allowing 2 minutes to respond and thinking neither candidate would interrupt the other. Should have been 30 seconds max.
Thats about all the attention span a lot of viewers have. There's no way anyone can make a point or have a debate like that. Something will happen. Either way 2020 is very rich in meme content, people will sing songs of this year for decades to come.
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Either way 2020 is very rich in meme content, people will sing songs of this year for decades to come.
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Yeah, but we'll be singing the songs while we roast rats on a stick over a burning trash barrel in the Gulag or drink booze from the top of a skull - I'm 50-50 on which.
Andy
Even if you were directing it at me, no offense taken. It's not haughtiness on my part - we are not all gifted with the same ability to manage anger and distance ourselves. I don't need to lose a nights sleep dwelling on the garbage some senile sellout is spouting unless he is explaining how he processed his coked out son sleeping with his other son's widow.
Andy
My comment was general and not directed at anyone. Please realize that during my two primary careers, I have run with a more edgy crowd. People who say very little but when they make a statement, it's either with a harsh word or some form of violence. Whether it's Army Rangers, Delta or a crew of ranch hands hitting town after a month in the saddle riding herd. People like President Trump are a good fit for my personality. He's someone itching to get into a fight when he knows he's in the right. Last night there was nothing he said that wasn't true, and every bit of of it was in the best interest of the American people. I'd love to meet the Man.
Trump is the only man to get a refund from a whore so..... Respect.
That said, they should blast this at the next debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA
LMT Shooter
09-30-20, 20:11
Which might work if the moderators were unbiased. But they aren’t, so it would end up being Punch Drunk Joe getting all the air time.
No, the moderator asks the questions, the first allowed to respond has 2 minutes to speak, his mike is on, the other guys mike is off, then at the end of the 2 minutes, the second guy gets his 2 minutes of hot mike while the first guys mike is off. Repeat for however many cycles you wish, but the moderator is not allowed to give either debater more, or less time.
And I can't believe that Joementia again said 200,000,000 COVID-19 deaths, and Trump didn't call him out on it.
MountainRaven
09-30-20, 21:27
I think it's "up in the air" that we even hold the Senate. There are some tight Senate races where the GOP incumbent could lose. If we lose the Senate, it's going to be a shit storm of Biblical proportions. You can't count on anything anymore.
The Senate races in 2020 are more important than the presidential race.
Yep. It's ALL about the Senate. If ACB gets confirmed and the Senate stays red, who cares if the loudmouth gets reelected or not? On the other hand, if the House stays blue (it will), the Senate turns blue (it might), and Biden wins (he might)...that's an entirely different ballgame.
Coal Dragger
09-30-20, 22:38
I’m going to disagree with all the pessimism.
I watched the whole debate last night. I laughed my ass off, that was exactly what I expected. Trump acting like a rabid Wookie fighting with the moderator, and attacking Joe Biden holding nothing back. Getting personal, just like a Democrat would. I would hammer Biden on ANTIFA and his coke head grifter son every time I was in the same room.
I hope to see two more Trump attack sessions, but Lord Cheeto the Vulgar needs to study his and Sleepy Joe’s performance and work on his timing. Attacking is good, getting personal and nasty is good because Biden deserves it. Trump just needs to let his jabs land and sink in, stop talking, make Biden respond, make Biden embarrass himself either with silence or tripping over his own words.
Trump also needs to call out the moderators even more for taking sides. He’s at his best fighting with the scum that are our press. Do it more, go after them when they allow Biden to dodge or when they help prompt Biden.
MikhailBarracuda91
10-01-20, 03:48
I’m going to disagree with all the pessimism.
I watched the whole debate last night. I laughed my ass off, that was exactly what I expected. Trump acting like a rabid Wookie fighting with the moderator, and attacking Joe Biden holding nothing back. Getting personal, just like a Democrat would. I would hammer Biden on ANTIFA and his coke head grifter son every time I was in the same room.
I hope to see two more Trump attack sessions, but Lord Cheeto the Vulgar needs to study his and Sleepy Joe’s performance and work on his timing. Attacking is good, getting personal and nasty is good because Biden deserves it. Trump just needs to let his jabs land and sink in, stop talking, make Biden respond, make Biden embarrass himself either with silence or tripping over his own words.
Trump also needs to call out the moderators even more for taking sides. He’s at his best fighting with the scum that are our press. Do it more, go after them when they allow Biden to dodge or when they help prompt Biden.I'm with you, the com/dems will come back twice as nasty and slanderous next time though. I think we're in for a show lol
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Yep. It's ALL about the Senate. If ACB gets confirmed and the Senate stays red, who cares if the loudmouth gets reelected or not? On the other hand, if the House stays blue (it will), the Senate turns blue (it might), and Biden wins (he might)...that's an entirely different ballgame.
We need somebody with a loud mouth to sound the alarm that the US is on the verge of a slide into totalitarian Marxism. It doesn't seem that reasoned conversation and intellectual oratory has gotten the point across to the American people. President Trump constantly brought up Biden's Left Wing Socialist backers during the debate. In his own crude and rude way, Donald Trump is sounding the alarm like a modern day Paul Revere. I just wonder how many people are listening?
teufelhund1918
10-01-20, 09:08
Anyone catch the part where Biden says "inshallah" during the debate?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-debate-video/
P2Vaircrewman
10-01-20, 09:34
I have never written a check to a political candidate in my life, I am writing one to Trump today. I am 76 so I won't have to put up with the dems winning too much longer but I have young grandchildren, 10 and 14 years old and the democrats scare the hell out of me what their life may be in 10 or 20 years if they control the country.
Nightvisionary
10-01-20, 09:35
The next debate moderator has been announced. I wonder if he will be more impartial than Wallace. What do you think?
While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden, and later a staff assistant in Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s communication office.
https://smpa.gwu.edu/steve-scully
Trump is the only man to get a refund from a whore so..... Respect.
That said, they should blast this at the next debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA
True story, I got a refund from a stripper once. Does that count? :D
Back on topic, the only way I'd agree to the changes they want to make is if the "moderator's" mic is cut when either of the candidate's mic is on.
The next debate moderator has been announced. I wonder if he will be more impartial than Wallace. What do you think?
https://smpa.gwu.edu/steve-scully
Trump should make a large point of letting the audience know the "moderator" used to work for Biden. Then every time he tries to run interference for Biden or attack Trump for Biden, say "Your old boss is a big boy, he doesn't need you to carry his water tonight!"
gunrunner505
10-01-20, 12:03
Joe Rogan for moderator.
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MikhailBarracuda91
10-01-20, 13:40
Joe Rogan for moderator.
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True story, I got a refund from a stripper once. Does that count? :D
I'm not sure you were the lucky one in that scenario if it was so bad you needed a refund. Lol
I really could see the Biden campaign using the last debate as a reason not to go forward with the upcoming debates.
It'll probably go something like this:
"We've decided not to participate in the upcoming debates, as Trump has proven himself unfit for debate in the same way he has proven himself unfit for office".
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I'm not sure you were the lucky one in that scenario if it was so bad you needed a refund. Lol
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I only came out even on the deal, but the stripper was pissed and I got a lot of high 5's from the guys who saw it happen (pre-Covid by a LONG time!) LOL
SomeOtherGuy
10-01-20, 19:55
Looks like Scully not only worked for Biden (and Teddy Kennedy), but also tweeted "never Trump" in 2016...
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-accuses-swamp-monster-debate-organizers-colluding-dems-says-he-wont-allow-format
This is a total farce. I wonder if they're trying to get Trump to withdraw from other debates because they need Biden to do so, but without looking obviously weak? I don't think Trump would withdraw, of course, we're just in for more useless name-calling. Not that I'm likely to be persuaded by anything Biden could say, but worthless debates suggest a worthless "democracy."
gunrunner505
10-01-20, 21:17
I’m not sure this country would survive Biden. Hitler Clinton would have continued the Obama circus and done irreparable damage. What he didn’t screw up she would have. And Biden will do the same. The economy will tank, we’ll be paying taxes through the nose and we won’t be shopping at the grocery store. We’ll be roasting rats and squirrels over the fire.
I think it’s even more important to beat Biden than it was to beat the witch.
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The debates are more entertainment than anything. People know who they are voting for, and the debates will not change that. For those that are undecided, well, that just sad and and pathetic.
just a scout
10-01-20, 21:46
I’m not sure this country would survive Biden. Hitler Clinton would have continued the Obama circus and done irreparable damage. What he didn’t screw up she would have. And Biden will do the same. The economy will tank, we’ll be paying taxes through the nose and we won’t be shopping at the grocery store. We’ll be roasting rats and squirrels over the fire.
I think it’s even more important to beat Biden than it was to beat the witch.
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Clinton was a vile witch. Biden is just an extension of Obama.
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SomeOtherGuy
10-01-20, 23:35
I’m not sure this country would survive Biden. Hitler Clinton would have continued the Obama circus and done irreparable damage. What he didn’t screw up she would have. And Biden will do the same. The economy will tank, we’ll be paying taxes through the nose and we won’t be shopping at the grocery store. We’ll be roasting rats and squirrels over the fire.
I think it’s even more important to beat Biden than it was to beat the witch.
Back in 2016 it was popular to call it the "Flight 93 election." And that was true. The problem is, from 2016 until the Marxist/globalist types are defeated, if ever, EVERY election is a "Flight 93 election," and the odds get worse for us each and every time. I hope Trump wins and I hope we don't have CW2 the week afterward, but even if all those good things happen - 2022 is another chance to lose all of Congress, 2024 is another chance to have a Marxist in the White House, etc. etc. etc. It doesn't end, unless something happens to make it end.
Not trying to be a downer. Ignore this - go relax, go out to the bar, drink some beers while you watch a nice NFL or NBA game, forget politics. (Sarcasm intended.)
Diamondback
10-02-20, 00:14
Back in 2016 it was popular to call it the "Flight 93 election." And that was true. The problem is, from 2016 until the Marxist/globalist types are defeated, if ever, EVERY election is a "Flight 93 election," and the odds get worse for us each and every time. I hope Trump wins and I hope we don't have CW2 the week afterward, but even if all those good things happen - 2022 is another chance to lose all of Congress, 2024 is another chance to have a Marxist in the White House, etc. etc. etc. It doesn't end, unless something happens to make it end.
Not trying to be a downer. Ignore this - go relax, go out to the bar, drink some beers while you watch a nice NFL or NBA game, forget politics. (Sarcasm intended.)
I think on some level we can now understand what it's like to be the Israelis... they have to bring their A-game and win EVERY time while the other team only needs to get lucky ONCE.
I think on some level we can now understand what it's like to be the Israelis... they have to bring their A-game and win EVERY time while the other team only needs to get lucky ONCE.
Schumer is already floating the changes they want to make if the ComDems take the Senate and the Presidency, changes that will keep them in power permanently.
teufelhund1918
10-02-20, 07:18
Well, it looks like the next debate moderator was an intern for Kennedy, was a Biden intern lacky and ... of course... and anti Trump. But I'm sure the debate will be fairly moderated. I wish someone like Hannity or Levin could moderate a debate. Now that would be interesting!
https://www.foxnews.com/media/moderator-for-second-presidential-debate-interned-for-biden-worked-for-ted-kennedy
Well, it looks like the next debate moderator was an intern for Kennedy, was a Biden intern lacky and ... of course... and anti Trump. But I'm sure the debate will be fairly moderated. I wish someone like Hannity or Levin could moderate a debate. Now that would be interesting!
https://www.foxnews.com/media/moderator-for-second-presidential-debate-interned-for-biden-worked-for-ted-kennedy
The fact that the Trump campaign even agrees to this is political malpractice.
just a scout
10-02-20, 08:23
Well, it looks like the next debate moderator was an intern for Kennedy, was a Biden intern lacky and ... of course... and anti Trump. But I'm sure the debate will be fairly moderated. I wish someone like Hannity or Levin could moderate a debate. Now that would be interesting!
https://www.foxnews.com/media/moderator-for-second-presidential-debate-interned-for-biden-worked-for-ted-kennedy
No, Tucker Carlson. He would be fair, professional and make sure Biden is held to account without drama.
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I say we just pay someone off to tell Joe he's the moderator right before he's walked onto stage for the next debate.
It'd be great to watch him walk out from the stage, down to the moderators chair where he'd push the other idiot out of his/her spot. He'd then sit there patiently waiting for the missing presidential candidate to show up.
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I have to say the moderator was more impressive during the debate than the candidates. I fully expected her to softball Joe and attack Don, glad to see I was wrong.
Andy
titsonritz
10-22-20, 21:45
^^For sure
Gabriel556
10-22-20, 21:46
I was surprised too. I really was waiting for Biden to just slip and go nuts yelling but I think he looked bad enough.
titsonritz
10-22-20, 21:46
Oh BTW the laptop is Russian disinformation. :rolleyes:
Welker cut Trump off many more times than Biden, but I’m sure that won’t be mentioned by the media.
Trump got to bring up the Biden China scandal, but not enough. We need more mainstream penetration of the story over the next 10 days.
First debate I actually watched.
The stories are true: Biden is barely breathing.
I thought they both landed some blows that will excite their base, Biden’s biggest hit was on Trumps tax return ( why can’t he just release them and shut the com/dems up )Trump Landed IMO the biggest blow at the end by getting Biden to say the oil industry pollutes and he wants to replace it. Trumps response “did you hear that Texas, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma?” I think was the grand slam.
Grand58742
10-22-20, 22:11
Welker cut Trump off many more times than Biden, but I’m sure that won’t be mentioned by the media.
Trump got to bring up the Biden China scandal, but not enough. We need more mainstream penetration of the story over the next 10 days.
She did try to cut him off, but I don't think it was necessarily to shut him up. The time was the "reason" for it and Trump still was able to make his points.
Overall, Biden lost the oil and gas industry tonight, the industries that support them and really didn't field the 94 crime bill questions very well.
Trump straight murdered him the last half hour or so of the debate.
Grand58742
10-22-20, 22:15
biggest takeaway that I saw, Biden threw down the gauntlet on the Hunter-Chine-Ukraine connection tonight. He's daring people to dig into it. Whether or not the media other than Fox will take that challenge, I don't know, but he pretty much set himself up to get hammered if anyone actually wants to be a journalist and follow it up.
She did try to cut him off, but I don't think it was necessarily to shut him up. The time was the "reason" for it and Trump still was able to make his points.
Overall, Biden lost the oil and gas industry tonight, the industries that support them and really didn't field the 94 crime bill questions very well.
Trump straight murdered him the last half hour or so of the debate.
45 minutes in, I told my wife that the moderator tripped Joe up. I agree Trump was eating his lunch at the end.
The look on Donna Brazile's face made me think that Trump came out looking pretty good. No doubt the MSM talking heads are patting themselves on the back over Biden's victorious debate, of course.
Andy
Are we expected to ignore that Biden said on national tv during the debate that he was going to give amnesty to 11 million unlawful immigrants?
Towards the end, it seemed Joe's "Go Juice" was wearing off. Notice when Joe gets rattled, he closes his eyes and starts to stutter, like he's lost for words or has lost his train of thought?
eightmillimeter
10-22-20, 22:48
Are we expected to ignore that Biden said on national tv during the debate that he was going to give amnesty to 11 million unlawful immigrants?
Just said it so they would vote for him...
Are we expected to ignore that Biden said on national tv during the debate that he was going to give amnesty to 11 million unlawful immigrants?
Yes, of course. New Democrat voters can't possibly be turned away, comrade.
People seem to think the moderator did well. I disagree. I'm certainly not Trumps biggest fan, but he did very well this time around. The moderator very clearly wanted to give Joe every possible opportunity to respond to Trump, but attempted to move on when the roles were reversed. She also purposely tried to take Trumps statement about the effects COVID has on children and turn it against him. I don't seem to remember her doing the same with Biden. She was sure to bring up Russian interference in our election though, while completely ignoring the recent Hunter/Joe information completely.
Yeah, she was the shinning example of unbiased. Please.
She was at least as biased as Wallace was, but she got away with it on demeanor alone.
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Grand58742
10-22-20, 22:55
She was sure to bring up Russian interference in our election though, while completely ignoring the recent Hunter/Joe information completely.
She did bring up the accusations.
I admit, I expected her to be ridiculously anti-Trump, so it didn't take much to impress me.
On the flip side, she knew better than ask foreign policy questions because it would bury Joe.
Andy
Grand58742
10-22-20, 22:59
One other minor note that none of the talking heads are discussing.
Did anyone else see Biden get to flustered he took a swipe at Obama? "Well, I wasn't President, I was Vice President..."
Coal Dragger
10-22-20, 23:07
Towards the end, it seemed Joe's "Go Juice" was wearing off. Notice when Joe gets rattled, he closes his eyes and starts to stutter, like he's lost for words or has lost his train of thought?
Yes, in fairness to Biden (oh how I hate to defend him...) he is a stutterer and has had to overcome that his entire life.
I know a guy with Tourette Syndrome, coworker of mine, he normally has it completely under control but when he is tired and we’re working short on rest he develops ticks. Joe does OK when he’s awake or has energy but when he gets tired he can’t control his stuttering as well, takes concentration that’s tough when you’re almost 80 years old and it’s past bedtime.
He’s not cognitively there anymore, and he was never sharp to begin with. Hell he forgot who Mitt Romney was, although again (hate to defend him) Romney is one of the most forgettable humans to ever walk the Earth.
I admit, I expected her to be ridiculously anti-Trump, so it didn't take much to impress me.
On the flip side, she knew better than ask foreign policy questions because it would bury Joe.
Andy
And yet when Trump was beating Biden up on China, Welker out of the blue asked Trump a written question on North Korea. I was like “I thought foreign policy wasn’t on the table tonight?”
titsonritz
10-22-20, 23:12
Hell he forgot who Mitt Romney was, although again (hate to defend him) Romney is one of the most forgettable humans to ever walk the Earth.
You mean that Jehovah Witness guy? :jester:
Yes, in fairness to Biden (oh how I hate to defend him...) he is a stutterer and has had to overcome that his entire life.
I know a guy with Tourette Syndrome, coworker of mine, he normally has it completely under control but when he is tired and we’re working short on rest he develops ticks. Joe does OK when he’s awake or has energy but when he gets tired he can’t control his stuttering as well, takes concentration that’s tough when you’re almost 80 years old and it’s past bedtime.
He’s not cognitively there anymore, and he was never sharp to begin with. Hell he forgot who Mitt Romney was, although again (hate to defend him) Romney is one of the most forgettable humans to ever walk the Earth.
I thought there no references to him ever having a stutter prior to 2019.
She did bring up the accusations.Ahh yes, she did ask if he considered his sons business dealings to be unethical. I forgot about that. I'm not sure how much more watered down that question could have been though. I'd have preferred something more like "Mr. Biden, have you yourself ever received foreign money through your sons business dealings with foreign corporations or foreign government entities?" Or something similar.
The Democrats always seem to get questions they can easily slip out of.
The only blow I think Trump took tonight was in regards to his taxes, but if I'm being honest I couldn't care less as it's not required for him to give that information. I'm sure it will sit uneasy with others though.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
10-22-20, 23:38
Yes, in fairness to Biden (oh how I hate to defend him...) he is a stutterer and has had to overcome that his entire life.
I know a guy with Tourette Syndrome, coworker of mine, he normally has it completely under control but when he is tired and we’re working short on rest he develops ticks. Joe does OK when he’s awake or has energy but when he gets tired he can’t control his stuttering as well, takes concentration that’s tough when you’re almost 80 years old and it’s past bedtime.
He’s not cognitively there anymore, and he was never sharp to begin with. Hell he forgot who Mitt Romney was, although again (hate to defend him) Romney is one of the most forgettable humans to ever walk the Earth.
He was a pretty fast talker in the 70s and 80s, if he has a stutter, it is recent. He actually doesn’t stutter, he has trouble getting words out due to cognitive decline. A couple of times Trump could have finished his sentences for him.
I thought the moderator was hot, definitely hotter than any Mods on M4C...
Too bad Trump didn’t do this the first time.
titsonritz
10-22-20, 23:44
He was a pretty fast talker in the 70s and 80s, if he has a stutter, it is recent. He actually doesn’t stutter, he has trouble getting words out due to cognitive decline.
He has repeatedly mentioned he had a stuttering issue growing up and how his mommy told him he was the smartest kid out there, it's usually followed by a cornpop flashback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRiRIqKQieo&feature=emb_logo
He has repeatedly mentioned he had a stuttering issue growing up and how his mommy told him he was the smartest kid out there, it's usually followed by a cornpop flashback.
"Hey man, Cornpop was a bad dude!!" 😂
Alaskapopo
10-23-20, 00:12
She did try to cut him off, but I don't think it was necessarily to shut him up. The time was the "reason" for it and Trump still was able to make his points.
Overall, Biden lost the oil and gas industry tonight, the industries that support them and really didn't field the 94 crime bill questions very well.
Trump straight murdered him the last half hour or so of the debate.
But did he ever have the oil and gas industry. Trump did better this time than before and did not appear like a quite as much of a bully. But I think its too little too late.
just a scout
10-23-20, 04:00
Towards the end, it seemed Joe's "Go Juice" was wearing off. Notice when Joe gets rattled, he closes his eyes and starts to stutter, like he's lost for words or has lost his train of thought?
That’s when he’s getting fed directions from his earpiece by his handlers. You can tell because he closes his eyes then comes back with some kind of witty sentence.
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Grand58742
10-23-20, 06:33
The only blow I think Trump took tonight was in regards to his taxes, but if I'm being honest I couldn't care less as it's not required for him to give that information. I'm sure it will sit uneasy with others though.
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I think the only he he really didn't answer well was the children at the border separated from their parents one.
The tax one is what it is. Biden made a Yuge deal of that just as Democrats have for the past four plus years. Nobody cares any more. but Trump mentioning Mueller and company looking over the files and not finding anything was a good response.
Yes, in fairness to Biden (oh how I hate to defend him...) he is a stutterer and has had to overcome that his entire life.
I know a guy with Tourette Syndrome, coworker of mine, he normally has it completely under control but when he is tired and we’re working short on rest he develops ticks. Joe does OK when he’s awake or has energy but when he gets tired he can’t control his stuttering as well, takes concentration that’s tough when you’re almost 80 years old and it’s past bedtime.
He’s not cognitively there anymore, and he was never sharp to begin with. Hell he forgot who Mitt Romney was, although again (hate to defend him) Romney is one of the most forgettable humans to ever walk the Earth.
I'm not buying the stutter story. I'm no doctor and maybe I'm wrong but to me stuttering is when the person can't get the one word out. Not when they start jumping around different words and meanings or even nonsense all together. And wouldn't this have shown up before?
I didn't watch. Was planning to but the pre debate show coverage thing pissed me off. It was obvious someone from the Biden team asked for certain things to be said. This way it's already in the viewers heads before the debate even starts. I think I need to go buy a "scary black rifle" to comfort me. It's my safe space!
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He has repeatedly mentioned he had a stuttering issue growing up and how his mommy told him he was the smartest kid out there, it's usually followed by a cornpop flashback.He has mentioned this when? This election cycle?
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Whiskey_Bravo
10-23-20, 08:02
Yes, in fairness to Biden (oh how I hate to defend him...) he is a stutterer and has had to overcome that his entire life.
I don't buy that at all. It never came up when he was VP. Look at older clips of him in congress and there was no "stuttering". I also don't think he is stuttering. Seems a lot more like cognitive decline to me.
I wonder what would happen if the "Poor Boys" and Cornpop ever met in an alley.
Grand58742
10-23-20, 09:25
I also don't think he is stuttering. Seems a lot more like cognitive decline to me.
I took it as more of a "oh shit, can't think of what I want to say" moment. It only happened when Trump had him on the ropes.
Averageman
10-23-20, 09:50
I took it as more of a "oh shit, can't think of what I want to say" moment. It only happened when Trump had him on the ropes.
Exactly, he's on the ropes. Kamala and Barry are out there on the campaign trail for him while he sits in the basement at home.
I think we are looking at Joe having about six good months left, honestly, I think Biden is on his last leg and limping on that one.
I'm not sure what stimulant they are giving him, but it appears to me he is wired every time they wheel him out for a National event, then he has to go home for a week and recover in the basement.
The guy is on the clock and it's not got more than six months left on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2cElh2XOWA
I'm sick of the whole mess at this point, I've voted already, but the guy above sums up a lot of peoples feelings about Biden.
Exactly, he's on the ropes. Kamala and Barry are out there on the campaign trail for him while he sits in the basement at home.
I think we are looking at Joe having about six good months left, honestly, I think Biden is on his last leg and limping on that one.
I'm not sure what stimulant they are giving him, but it appears to me he is wired every time they wheel him out for a National event, then he has to go home for a week and recover in the basement.
The guy is on the clock and it's not got more than six months left on it.
I'm seeing effects of "Adderall" or "Vivance", which are Amphetamine/dextroamphetine based meds used in ADHD.
He appears either wired/raging or g'night/huh?
Of course if that is the case, it would been legally prescribed by his personal Physician.
I think the only he he really didn't answer well was the children at the border separated from their parents one.
The tax one is what it is. Biden made a Yuge deal of that just as Democrats have for the past four plus years. Nobody cares any more. but Trump mentioning Mueller and company looking over the files and not finding anything was a good response.
Trump tried to explain the taxes and did a halfway decent job. The problem is the average non-business owning American can't even conceive prepayment of taxes, much less the concept of "Alternative Minimum Tax".
From the very article the NYT used to weaponize the illegally obtained tax records they colluded to get with partisan political operatives within DoJ's SDNY to steal:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html
Mr. Trump paid alternative minimum tax in seven years between 2000 and 2017 — a total of $24.3 million, excluding refunds he received after filing. For 2015, he paid $641,931, his first payment of any federal income tax since 2010.
As he settled into the Oval Office, his tax bills soon returned to form. His potential taxable income in 2016 and 2017 included $24.8 million in profits from sources related to his celebrity status and $56.4 million for the loans he did not repay. The dreaded alternative minimum tax would let his business losses erase only some of his liability.
Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future years.
To cancel out the tax bills, Mr. Trump made use of $9.7 million in business investment credits, at least some of which related to his renovation of the Old Post Office hotel, which qualified for a historic-preservation tax break. Although he had more than enough credits to owe no taxes at all, his accountants appear to have carved out an allowance for a small tax liability for both 2016 and 2017.
When they got to line 56, the one for income taxes due, the amount was the same each year: $750.
So even if your eyes didn't glaze over after reading the Three Thousand Nine Hundred and Ninety Four words in the NYT article before we get to that deeply buried headline, will you really even understand what happened? The entire article is just a couple hundred words shy of ten thousand. I'll confess, I didn't read it all. I couldn't even on my sharpest day. I'm not a tax accountant or tax attorney. The material is as dry as the Gobi desert. If you can read the entire 10K word article and come away with anything but a numb brain, you're far more tolerant of tedium than I.
And that's exactly what the NYT and other Biden acolytes count on. People can't even begin to comprehend a system requiring an accounting degree to even partially grasp. But they can grasp "HE ONLY PAID $750 IN INCOME TAX!!!". Well yes, if you studiously avoid every other fact and data point in that 10K word article. If you actually read and understood the whole article, you'd know the punch line is the least relevant part of the story.
I mean if you want to make hay out of Trump's tax strategy and how he pays more net taxes in China than the US, the obvious problem is the US tax code itself, promulgated by decades of politicians in DC to benefit their benefactors. Now who's been there doing that for 47 years? :confused:
Even if Biden's "stutter" is legit, no offense to those with speech impediments, but in my mind that disqualifies you from being the "speaker" of our nation.
That being said I lean more towards the cognitive decline and him being pumped up on adoral.
Plus, Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Averageman
10-23-20, 10:49
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Holy Smokes !
This isn't looking good for Biden at all.
TexasGunNut
10-23-20, 11:01
RE: Trump Taxes
For all that’s holy, why did Trump not own it and Biden with this;
“....yes I’d did! I took advantage of the tax laws YOU wrote and paid $750 dollars. While YOU and your family took advantage of every honest, hardworking American by taking millions from China and Russia. If all you voters think this is fair, then vote him back in and I’ll go home to my golf courses...”
RE: Trump Taxes
For all that’s holy, why did Trump not own it and Biden with this;
“....yes I’d did! I took advantage of the tax laws YOU wrote and paid $750 dollars. While YOU and your family took advantage of every honest, hardworking American by taking millions from China and Russia. If all you voters think this is fair, then vote him back in and I’ll go home to my golf courses...”
Because Russia! So all that is fake anyway
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Why does everybody think Russia has the time, money, and energy to actually care about US politics?
They’ve been sanctioned to hell and gone, regardless
Putin is essentially dictator for life
No president during Putin’s tenure has every come anywhere near close to intimidating the man. A Nam dodging cokehead, an effete Oreo, and a loudmouth NYC Reality Show host. Oh boy. That’s really putting the fear of God into a KGB Colonel all right.
The Russians are too busy hocking their shit to the Red Chinese to honestly want to larp like the Cold War is still a thing.
It’s the laziest and cheapest heat: “the Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!”
Otherwise it looked like two sad old men engaging in a bizarre lemonparty foreplay.
Why does everybody think Russia has the time, money, and energy to actually care about US politics?
They’ve been sanctioned to hell and gone, regardless
Putin is essentially dictator for life
No president during Putin’s tenure has every come anywhere near close to intimidating the man. A Nam dodging cokehead, an effete Oreo, and a loudmouth NYC Reality Show host. Oh boy. That’s really putting the fear of God into a KGB Colonel all right.
The Russians are too busy hocking their shit to the Red Chinese to honestly want to larp like the Cold War is still a thing.
It’s the laziest and cheapest heat: “the Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!”
Otherwise it looked like two sad old men engaging in a bizarre lemonparty foreplay.Because the narrative has been built and nurtured for 5 years. If you said it was NK you'd have to start all over.
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It's not about these 2 men. Men come and go, but priciples have staying power. As flawed as these 2 men are, its what they represent that interests me.
Trump was a cokehead?
It's not about these 2 men. Men come and go, but priciples have staying power. As flawed as these 2 men are, its what they represent that interests me.
Trump was a cokehead?
GW was the cokehead.
GW was the cokehead.
Got it, I see now.
titsonritz
10-23-20, 16:59
He has mentioned this when? This election cycle?
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/06/joe-biden-new-hampshire-town-hall-overcoming-stuttering-sot-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/new-hampshire-2020-town-halls/
It's his superpower...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/opinion/joe-biden-stutter.html
Yeaaaaaa ....toooo bad he doesn't do the J J J J J J J J Joe. Instead he goes of on random shit then comes back around.... eventually.... sometimes! Maybe Cornpop scared him straight
I know, I have a stuttering boss. He's fine but every once in a while he gets stuck on some word and I'm like I know what you want to say. And it's always a D D D D D
No offense to real people with real issues.
It's always easy to tell when Punch Drunk Joe doesn't have an intelligent response when he starts a sentence with "Look....." or "C'mon...." .
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