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Bodhisattva05X
10-01-20, 10:02
It’s a doc on Netflix, has anyone watched it?
Feel like everyone should watch it. It’s pretty eye opening when the creators or these platforms are talking about how bad they are and how we are being manipulated and pitted against one another. Especially more when it seems that they are scared of what are seemingly inevitable consequences of it all.
If you watch it, watch through the credits, that’s where some of the best information comes out.
It’s certainly making me rethink a lot of things regarding my social media use.
VeeDubbinJetta91
10-01-20, 10:29
I watched it a couple weeks back and felt the same as you did. I think I had an understanding of how controlling it all was but I walked away wanting to get rid of what social media I had left.
Five_Point_Five_Six
10-01-20, 12:33
I watched it but wasn't really surprised by most of it. "If you're not paying for the service, you are the product."
I've noticed a lot of people lose 30 IQ points when they log onto their Facebook accounts, otherwise smart people who should know better. When you tell the world you're going to be gone to Hawaii for 10 days and your dogs are staying at your parents house you should not be surprised when you get the phone call from the local PD that your shit got ransacked. If you want to show your internet friends all your vacation pictures, which no one really wants to see all of them, just one would suffice, post them after you return home.
And for the love of all that is Holy, don't let your kids have social media accounts. There is nothing good that can come of it. Look how it destroyed your Aunt Betty who now shares clickbait news articles from websites that originate in third world countries in between complaining about the cost of her blood pressure meds and recipes for banana bread.
Diamondback
10-01-20, 13:15
This also requires that you teach your kids, AND your parents/etc, the importance of OPSEC. All it takes is one careless post from Mom about dogsitting Cupcake... tell maybe ONE trusted neighbor family and arrange for them to look in on things and come over and flip lights on/off, run TV/stereo, etc. so it looks like somebody's still there.
The time to talk about travel is AFTER it's done.
I watched it but wasn't really surprised by most of it. "If you're not paying for the service, you are the product."
I've noticed a lot of people lose 30 IQ points when they log onto their Facebook accounts, otherwise smart people who should know better. When you tell the world you're going to be gone to Hawaii for 10 days and your dogs are staying at your parents house you should not be surprised when you get the phone call from the local PD that your shit got ransacked. If you want to show your internet friends all your vacation pictures, which no one really wants to see all of them, just one would suffice, post them after you return home.
And for the love of all that is Holy, don't let your kids have social media accounts. There is nothing good that can come of it. Look how it destroyed your Aunt Betty who now shares clickbait news articles from websites that originate in third world countries in between complaining about the cost of her blood pressure meds and recipes for banana bread.
"If you are not paying for the service, you are the product" is one of my favorite lines. My family complains about Facebook customer service. I ask "do you pay facebook? If you don't, you are a user, not a customer. The customer is their advertisers that you are being sold to. Facebooks job is to treat you just well enough that you don't leave their free service, so that they can sell you to advertisers. I often wonder... is there a statistical correlation between people who share vacation pictures on facebook and people who are burglarized. I know there is antictdotel info, but would love to see if there was data.
Five_Point_Five_Six
10-01-20, 13:56
"If you are not paying for the service, you are the product" is one of my favorite lines. My family complains about Facebook customer service. I ask "do you pay facebook? If you don't, you are a user, not a customer. The customer is their advertisers that you are being sold to. Facebooks job is to treat you just well enough that you don't leave their free service, so that they can sell you to advertisers. I often wonder... is there a statistical correlation between people who share vacation pictures on facebook and people who are burglarized. I know there is antictdotel info, but would love to see if there was data.
I know of 2 instances where a family had their home burglarized while on vacation after announcing it on social media. The first being friends of ours. His wife is into one of the MLM schemes where you are a CEO of your own company in your living room in your pajamas and your customer base is other stay home Moms on Facebook. Basically selling glorified costume jewelry, fat loss pills or makeup. Everything they do gets posted on her "business" page for the dopamine rush of having other Moms tell her how much she deserves this vacation or spa day or whatever. The scenario I described about being in Hawaii for 10 days and the dogs being taken care of elsewhere is exactly how it went down for them. On like day 3 they're notified that their home was broken into it.
The second is a relative of my wife's whom I've never met, they live in Dallas and the same kind of thing happened. Posting photos from Disneyland and when they got home they discovered they'd been cleaned out. Side door off the garage was busted open and it was in a spot where the other neighbors wouldn't be able to see it kicked open.
Either of those could have been unrelated to social media postings, but it doesn't make much sense to announce PERSEC stuff online. Even with a private FB account, all it takes is a neighbor mentioning to another neighbor in ear shot of their shit head kid who does B&E's for weed money and the cat's outta the bag.
Morbid Thought:
“Hey yall. Going to Tahiti for 10 days. Passport Stamp! Eat. Pray. Love! Fur babies are staying at a five star kennel! Yaay can’t wait!”
Meanwhile, me in my shrubbery:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/FqjcHtWUb9kR5aNYCG.t9Q--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NDAwO2g9MjY4/http://media.zenfs.com/en-AU/homerun/y7.yahoo7/db5c1725baaacafed7141d984828cb81
Diamondback
10-01-20, 14:18
Morbid Thought:
“Hey yall. Going to Tahiti for 10 days. Passport Stamp! Eat. Pray. Love! Fur babies are staying at a five star kennel! Yaay can’t wait!”
Meanwhile, me in my shrubbery:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/FqjcHtWUb9kR5aNYCG.t9Q--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NDAwO2g9MjY4/http://media.zenfs.com/en-AU/homerun/y7.yahoo7/db5c1725baaacafed7141d984828cb81
And then the prosecutor pops you for setting a trap... "Malice Aforethought."
And then the prosecutor pops you for setting a trap... "Malice Aforethought."
It doesn’t meet the legal definition of a “trap”.
Nobody asked them to try to break in. It’s my house. It’s my gun. My bushes. My Adidas.
A “trap” is where I tell a specific person to meet me somewhere then cap his ass.
I can’t help it if thuggy Brown decides to break in on me because of some bullshit he read online.
By that logic, you might as well say “she was asking for it dressed like that”. Nope. Sometimes you just wanna feel sexy.
Averageman
10-01-20, 16:55
It doesn’t meet the legal definition of a “trap”.
Nobody asked them to try to break in. It’s my house. It’s my gun. My bushes. My Adidas.
A “trap” is where I tell a specific person to meet me somewhere then cap his ass.
I can’t help it if thuggy Brown decides to break in on me because of some bullshit he read online.
By that logic, you might as well say “she was asking for it dressed like that”. Nope. Sometimes you just wanna feel sexy.
I used to, and I stress briefly work for mid sized City in the Streets Department.
I saw what I assumed were burglars in residential neighborhoods. Four 18-22 year old males, always of the same race at or around 10:00 am on a school day/work day. Always moved out as soon as they saw some project going on, I kind of assumed as they didn't want witnesses.
And yes, burglaries were reported.
See something say something, so I started calling the non emergency number. I don't know why or if others had been doing it, but it should be a Nation Wide policy for City Workers
"If you are not paying for the service, you are the product" is one of my favorite lines. My family complains about Facebook customer service. I ask "do you pay facebook? If you don't, you are a user, not a customer. The customer is their advertisers that you are being sold to. Facebooks job is to treat you just well enough that you don't leave their free service, so that they can sell you to advertisers. I often wonder... is there a statistical correlation between people who share vacation pictures on facebook and people who are burglarized. I know there is antictdotel info, but would love to see if there was data.
Actually, they are paying for it.
https://www.ocregister.com/hate-big-tech-end-corporate-welfare
It is possible they chipped in a lot more than that if there is indeed a link between a .mil program that ended at approximately the same time Facebook started.
It’s a doc on Netflix, has anyone watched it?
Feel like everyone should watch it. It’s pretty eye opening when the creators or these platforms are talking about how bad they are and how we are being manipulated and pitted against one another. Especially more when it seems that they are scared of what are seemingly inevitable consequences of it all.
If you watch it, watch through the credits, that’s where some of the best information comes out.
It’s certainly making me rethink a lot of things regarding my social media use.
Worth a watch for sure. I was not surprised by much of it, but it did make me more aware of my own usage patterns and such and did confirm my feelings that people will have to learn to realize the level of manipulation that's happening or we will suffer the consequences. Unfortunately I don't see it ending well.
Unless your business is tied to it delete it! Sharing vacation pics and other stuff can all be done through emails and txt messages.
If I want to share a pic with a friend it doesn't mean I want to share it with ALL friends or even family. Open txt app, select friend, select pic, hit send!
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kaiservontexas
10-03-20, 20:40
Honestly I think people should use social media to post things they are doing hobby wise. Constant fotos of what they are eating is ridiculous, and screams boring and no life. Personal things should stay personal. Lemme of Motorhead fame once told folks not to ever let your girlfriend read your journal. Good advice, which is no longer heeded. I only post fotos of my crappy art efforts on instagram. Got no use to share anything else on it. Honestly when looking over what folks do with such things. Many people are boring because they never really ever do anything but consume.
stinkyDrunk
10-04-20, 00:39
Have been in the software biz since mid-90s. When I saw Facebook getting popular in mid 2000s I stood back and said, "Why would I want to tell these knuckleheads everything I think and like and dislike?" It was too complicated to explain to most folks.
Happy to see this Netflix doc at least getting people to think about the filter bubble and security issues.
The explanation one guy gives, about getting a custom-made Wikipedia entry depending on your posting history, is valuable.
But we are definitely underserved by the silicon valley crowd about "how to internet" securely. If someone gives you a link to something unfamiliar, do you just click it? If yes you're doing it wrong.
turnburglar
10-04-20, 22:54
How Boomer this forum is.
The Social dilemma had nothing to do with home burglaries tied to social media signaling.
It's just AI radicalizing everyone while making billionaires out of the nerds.
We have already created and unleashed pandoras box of the digital age, and replaced our old gods with influencers and politicians.
Sci-fi dystopian future it is.
The best quote from the whole thing was: "We are using 50,000 year old brains to navigate the 21st century"
Watched it tonight. Came away with several thoughts: first, the stuff about gen z being the first generation to come up with their entire lives online, and what that does to their psychology and the neural pathways that reinforces, will be studied for decades. Psychologists will make piles of money working with adult gen z’s who have a hard time re-wiring their brains for healthy self-image and self-valuation. Childhood trauma is far more difficult to deal with once into adulthood. Secondly, these companies should have some oversight, sure. But I could not help but notice all the people they interviewed were harping on about climate change and fake news and pizzagate, and so on: these were all left-wing talking points. They want to power to regulate these platforms in order to stop conservative ideas from spreading, at the core of it. It’s obvious. They talk about alternate truths being a bad thing, and how there should be one version of the truth that we all read. Ok, but who do you trust to determine that? We’ll be in a worse position than now, because the truth will often get labeled as “fake news”, but there will be government regulations forcing its removal, instead of a company doing the removing by choice. They sound the same but one is far worse.
Main take-away: every invention for good becomes weaponized in short order.
Bodhisattva05X
10-06-20, 00:52
Watched it tonight. Came away with several thoughts: first, the stuff about gen z being the first generation to come up with their entire lives online, and what that does to their psychology and the neural pathways that reinforces, will be studied for decades. Psychologists will make piles of money working with adult gen z’s who have a hard time re-wiring their brains for healthy self-image and self-valuation. Childhood trauma is far more difficult to deal with once into adulthood. Secondly, these companies should have some oversight, sure. But I could not help but notice all the people they interviewed were harping on about climate change and fake news and pizzagate, and so on: these were all left-wing talking points. They want to power to regulate these platforms in order to stop conservative ideas from spreading, at the core of it. It’s obvious. They talk about alternate truths being a bad thing, and how there should be one version of the truth that we all read. Ok, but who do you trust to determine that? We’ll be in a worse position than now, because the truth will often get labeled as “fake news”, but there will be government regulations forcing its removal, instead of a company doing the removing by choice. They sound the same but one is far worse.
Main take-away: every invention for good becomes weaponized in short order.
I kinda figured that anyone who watched it from here would see the slant. But I brought it up more so because they acknowledged the weaponization of it all.
I kinda figured that anyone who watched it from here would see the slant. But I brought it up more so because they acknowledged the weaponization of it all.
For the psychological damage on young people alone, there should be some massive changes. In a perfect world, parents would see what is happening and intervene accordingly to help their kids. But that’s not reality: many parents are struggling just to keep their heads above water financially. Hell, even a six figure income doesn’t go very far these days . . . . homes are disgustingly overpriced, all decent family vehicles cost $35k+, utilities, food, insurance, taxes, on and on . . . . It’s very hard stay on top of your kids’ mental well-being while working so hard. It can be done, but it’s tricky.
Off topic a bit, but there are so many industries that have gotten substantially worse because of assholes choosing profits over what’s right for society. And in a free market, I’d like to think that we, the consumers, would recognize those instances and starve the beast, refuse to do business with those companies. There would be no abusive monopolies if we did that . . . . a firm gets too large and corners the market? We bankrupt them, no government intervention necessary. But that’s often not how it works. Take the music industry: Spotify and Apple Music, etc. subscription-based unlimited streaming. Artists get fractions of a cent per play after everyone else takes their healthy cut. How is that sustainable? Imagine a $10/month subscription-based system of unlimited consumption for food . . . . and everyone makes good money besides the farmer, who was the only one who actually created the f#cking product in the first place. How long does that last? How long until the farmer quits, or only sells within 20 miles at local farmers markets? What does that do to the distribution chain? What if people don’t buy his food at farmers markets because it’s overpriced compared to their subscription? What if that ruins him? What if he becomes suicidal because nobody in society values his contribution enough to see that he gets to earn a living? All because some jackoff in a skyscraper who doesn’t create anything, found that they could cut the creators completely out of the loop and offer a consumption-frenzied devalued method of distribution.
For the psychological damage on young people alone, there should be some massive changes. In a perfect world, parents would see what is happening and intervene accordingly to help their kids. But that’s not reality: many parents are struggling just to keep their heads above water financially. Hell, even a six figure income doesn’t go very far these days . . . . homes are disgustingly overpriced, all decent family vehicles cost $35k+, utilities, food, insurance, taxes, on and on . . . . It’s very hard stay on top of your kids’ mental well-being while working so hard. It can be done, but it’s tricky.
Off topic a bit, but there are so many industries that have gotten substantially worse because of assholes choosing profits over what’s right for society. And in a free market, I’d like to think that we, the consumers, would recognize those instances and starve the beast, refuse to do business with those companies. There would be no abusive monopolies if we did that . . . . a firm gets too large and corners the market? We bankrupt them, no government intervention necessary. But that’s often not how it works. Take the music industry: Spotify and Apple Music, etc. subscription-based unlimited streaming. Artists get fractions of a cent per play after everyone else takes their healthy cut. How is that sustainable? Imagine a $10/month subscription-based system of unlimited consumption for food . . . . and everyone makes good money besides the farmer, who was the only one who actually created the f#cking product in the first place. How long does that last? How long until the farmer quits, or only sells within 20 miles at local farmers markets? What does that do to the distribution chain? What if people don’t buy his food at farmers markets because it’s overpriced compared to their subscription? What if that ruins him? What if he becomes suicidal because nobody in society values his contribution enough to see that he gets to earn a living? All because some jackoff in a skyscraper who doesn’t create anything, found that they could cut the creators completely out of the loop and offer a consumption-frenzied devalued method of distribution.
It would help if those same people would stop treating everything as disposable and cut down on buying unnecessary crap.
$35k goes a long way in a car when you're not trading it in every 5 years.
Cell phones last longer then the "upgrade" allowance. And they don't have to be $1200.
Gigantic TV's aren't necessarily.
Basically, stop living above your means and paying thousands for nonsensical add-ons.
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How Boomer this forum is.
The Social dilemma had nothing to do with home burglaries tied to social media signaling.
It's just AI radicalizing everyone while making billionaires out of the nerds.
We have already created and unleashed pandoras box of the digital age, and replaced our old gods with influencers and politicians.
Sci-fi dystopian future it is.
The best quote from the whole thing was: "We are using 50,000 year old brains to navigate the 21st century"
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Wife and I watched it. Took us forever because we kept pausing to have discussions about it.
While it was not eye opening to me the general idea that people are the product and being controlled by these sites, it was a fun and interesting watch.
One thing I don’t understand is how the author of the document pointing all this out said he’s addicted to email. I didn’t think email, while it is exactly a networking vehicle is so much to blame as twitter and Facebook. How addicting can email be if all there is are a few work emails, a couple jokes passed along and some pics between family? That one had me puzzled.
All in all the documentary did have me feeling hope that all these former ceos are taking the higher ground by quitting their unjustifiable jobs. Like that one nerd “creator of the like button.”
It would help if those same people would stop treating everything as disposable and cut down on buying unnecessary crap.
$35k goes a long way in a car when you're not trading it in every 5 years.
Cell phones last longer then the "upgrade" allowance. And they don't have to be $1200.
Gigantic TV's aren't necessarily.
Basically, stop living above your means and paying thousands for nonsensical add-ons.
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Oh my God THIS. THIIIIS. ^^^^^^^^^^
All of it.
Stop hanging around consoomers who live only to consoom.
There are grown, adult people who actually look forward to making payments on some bullshit car or buying some lameass new game system where the games suck, aren’t fun, and preach at you, or buying some OLED TV to pay to watch HBO or Netflix show pozzed BS that pedos and communists gin up with a buncha rappers and queerboxes to star in.
And it’s all for retards! Seriously retarded retards!
I got into an argument with someone who said Black Hawk Down didn’t have any black actors in it.
I told him to think about it for a minute. Fing RETARDS! So I don’t associate with that person.
Lame. Lame. Lame.
The older I get the happier I am with a VCR and a CRT TV. Even the internet sucks now. It’s all Facebook and everyone wanting you to log in and give up your email and spam you with endless botnet.
Citizens of Earth, I implore you to root your Android devices, delete Goolag everything, start using Linux, support your local pirate radio, and kick anyone in the balls when they act like you are crazy because you don’t care about sportsball or being a walking billboard.
The only things I am willing to buy anymore are mags and ammo. Everytime I think I’m “good” I realize just how many people are retarded in this GOD DAMNED blue marble I’m stuck in and how all the fluoride and quinoa and Whole Foods might give them extra retard resilience.
My only regret is that 240 paratrooper models and Carl Gustavs aren’t easier to get ahold of.
Remember, this is the face of your foe:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/b0/e3/efb0e3704fe184d760be240bc3c60fee.jpg
STAY WOKE!
Adrenaline_6
10-06-20, 13:48
You forgot drop live tv subscriptions. Stream it all...I mean ALL for $10/month. Easy peasy. No money to MSM, Netflix, etc.
It would help if those same people would stop treating everything as disposable and cut down on buying unnecessary crap.
$35k goes a long way in a car when you're not trading it in every 5 years.
Cell phones last longer then the "upgrade" allowance. And they don't have to be $1200.
Gigantic TV's aren't necessarily.
Basically, stop living above your means and paying thousands for nonsensical add-ons.
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Agreed. I just moved recently, that really sheds light on how much extra bullshit you have accumulated that you don’t use or need. The pursuit of more, the endless consumption, is a weak mind showing itself: because we become a sucker for advertising. They make a slick ad that tells us how much more comfortable or fun or easy or beautiful our lives could be and we have to have it. Takes a stronger will power to realize that’s the same type of brainwashing as the political stuff. The powers that be need us Poor, Sick, Dumb, and Irrational in order to keep us under control.
Btw, my house has a $634 mortgage payment, truck is paid off, wife’s vehicle is paid off, and we keep 8-12 months of living expenses in savings for emergencies. All of this is new for us as of 2020. We’ve learned a lot this year. Sacrificed the nonsense of life in order to live responsibly and mitigate as much risk as possible.
It doesn’t meet the legal definition of a “trap”.
Nobody asked them to try to break in. It’s my house. It’s my gun. My bushes. My Adidas.
A “trap” is where I tell a specific person to meet me somewhere then cap his ass.
I can’t help it if thuggy Brown decides to break in on me because of some bullshit he read online.
By that logic, you might as well say “she was asking for it dressed like that”. Nope. Sometimes you just wanna feel sexy.
I don’t buy it. What if I as a man want to feel sexy by strolling down the pedestrian mall in my birthday suit? By NO means am I saying that women are asking for it by dressing a particular way but come on.
I don’t buy it. What if I as a man want to feel sexy by strolling down the pedestrian mall in my birthday suit? By NO means am I saying that women are asking for it by dressing a particular way but come on.
There’s legally permissible/ defensible behavior, and societally permissible/ defensible behavior. Those are two very different things. What’s legal vs. what’s wise. A hot woman walking down the streets at night in a short sundress with no underwear, is within her rights, and legally if she’s assaulted she is nothing but a victim. But street smarts/ societal norms and observations say that she made a very bad decision. Culturally, she messed up. Legally she did nothing wrong.
Same kinda stuff as dudes who pierce the shit out of their faces, and then complain that they can’t find work. They didn’t commit any crimes, but society punishes their behavior nonetheless.
donlapalma
10-10-20, 17:56
The wife and I watched it. We had some pretty lengthy discussions afterwards and found it highly thought provoking. It reinforces what I've been thinking and saying about social media for years. The crazy alien looking rastafari dude tripped me out. I'm recommending it to all my friends and family.
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