View Full Version : I shoot AR15 for the very first time yesterday, and I'm FLABBERGASTED
Macedonian
10-19-20, 22:48
I recently got my first AR15, and what a joy is to shoot it. I'm super impressed from 5.56, and I'm in love with it. I was unfortunate to be born in a communist country,that thank's God doesn't exist anymore, and 5.56 was always bashed and represented to us as a weaker and inferior caliber. I kind of knew that its not true, but knowing and experiencing it in real life, its two different things. Its too bad that ammo is now expensive, and I can't afford to go and shoot more often.
I have a Black Rain Ordnance SPEC15 FDE 5.56 with BURRIS AR 332 optics.
I originally wanted to get SIG M 400 TREAD or SPRINGFIELD Saint Victor 5.56, but they were sold out, and this one came as deal, so I got it. The riffle is amassing, and works's flawlessly , but I have few concerns and questions .
My local shooting range lanes are 75 ft max, and I was under impression that I will
destroy the target's bulls eye, but it didn't went that well.
I had my shoots grouped , but they were 2-3 inches bellow the center of the target.
I've shoot a loot of Zastava AK's and SKS's, and I was always very accurate with them, even if they are pure crap and were without optics.
When I got the rifle, the optic was already installed from the factory and the salesman assured me that it was zeroed properly at 100 yards.
If that was the case, at 75 ft I should be hitting high , not low from the center (correct me if I'm wrong).
Is it possible that shooting 55 grain bullets from a riffle with 1:7 twist can contribute to such inaccuracy at 75 ft?
I do not exclude that the optics are not zeroed properly, and if they are the issue, any advice how can I adjust them on a 75 ft shooting lane?
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-ar15-battlesight-zero/
I'd say a couple inches low and center at 25Y is not only a decent battlesight zero, it's pretty impressive for a new gun with optic from the store to even be zeroed at all.
Also, I would worry a lot more about group sizes than where a new, unsighted by you, rifle is hitting.
Dennis.
Skrapmetal
10-20-20, 06:25
I recently got my first AR15, and what a joy is to shoot it. I'm super impressed from 5.56, and I'm in love with it. I was unfortunate to be born in a communist country,that thank's God doesn't exist anymore, and 5.56 was always bashed and represented to us as a weaker and inferior caliber. I kind of knew that its not true, but knowing and experiencing it in real life, its two different things. Its too bad that ammo is now expensive, and I can't afford to go and shoot more often.
I have a Black Rain Ordnance SPEC15 FDE 5.56 with BURRIS AR 332 optics.
I originally wanted to get SIG M 400 TREAD or SPRINGFIELD Saint Victor 5.56, but they were sold out, and this one came as deal, so I got it. The riffle is amassing, and works's flawlessly , but I have few concerns and questions .
My local shooting range lanes are 75 ft max, and I was under impression that I will
destroy the target's bulls eye, but it didn't went that well.
I had my shoots grouped , but they were 2-3 inches bellow the center of the target.
I've shoot a loot of Zastava AK's and SKS's, and I was always very accurate with them, even if they are pure crap and were without optics.
When I got the rifle, the optic was already installed from the factory and the salesman assured me that it was zeroed properly at 100 yards.
If that was the case, at 75 ft I should be hitting high , not low from the center (correct me if I'm wrong).
Is it possible that shooting 55 grain bullets from a riffle with 1:7 twist can contribute to such inaccuracy at 75 ft?
I do not exclude that the optics are not zeroed properly, and if they are the issue, any advice how can I adjust them on a 75 ft shooting lane?
If you are hitting 2-3" below center at 25yds (75ft) you are likely shooting a rifle that was zeroed for 100 yards. Because of the flight of the bullet you will be hitting low at 25 yards and that's okay, that's to be expected. With a 100yd zero, you will hit slightly low at all distances up to and beyond 100 yards because 100 yards is the peak of the bullet trajectory. That's where the term "holdover" comes from.
If you can, download and print a couple of the 25yard targets from this site and take them to the range next time and you'll be able to confirm a longer zero at short ranges: http://arma-dynamics.com/red-dot-zero-targets.html (As you scroll down, the third option is what you want if it is currently zeroed for 100 yards).
WillieThom
10-20-20, 08:04
WELCOME! Listen. Read. Absorb the info these guys are sharing with you. There is arguably no better place online to learn about the platform.
Welcome and congrats on your new rifle!
As others have mentioned, it's appropriate for an AR zero'd at 100yds to be low at 25yds. Research a little more about sight offset, holdover, and trajectories and you'll get it. There are a couple pinned topics above, and tons of stuff on the google.
If you can, find a spot to confirm the 100yd zero, then shoot the crap out of it at all sorts of ranges, and you'll develop an intuitive feel for the offset/holdover/trajectory topic.
titsonritz
10-20-20, 13:30
A couple threads to check out...
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?65679-AR-15-Zeros-and-Trajectories
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?107572-Zen-of-the-100-Meter-Zero
Link to an easy to understand explanation of how it works. http://www.livefreeinsider.com/2017/08/06/understanding-zero/ I know nothing about that optic but have doubts you could even zero it down to 25yds if you wanted to.
I recently got my first AR15, and what a joy is to shoot it. I'm super impressed from 5.56, and I'm in love with it.
Same happened to me when I finally shot one. Amazing but wallet suffered ever since.
Spent all my time shooting pistols for years and years never even thinking about either Rifles or Shotguns.
Welcome, and I hope you enjoy your new rifle.
M1911A1Hawkeyes
10-20-20, 19:36
Enjoy the rifle.
Cool story, guns are fun. Obviously respect what they can do but have fun doing so. Your next goal should be to join a club with a longer range. Or do whatever you want its your choice and freedom to do so. We are glad to have another God , guns and freedom lover on this side
Grim.Patriot
10-25-20, 16:35
Fifty years ago, US Army Basic and Advance Infantry Training, I fell in love with the old 20" M16 and the 5.56 cartridge. Nothing has changed for my admiration for that weapons system and cartridge over time. Driven by both military and law enforcement usage, the platform has evolved and improved since those early rifles. They are both fun to shoot and quite effective if used within their operating envelop. More, if one is into it, they are Tinker-Toys for grownups.
Happy you had a good experience.
Congratulations and welcome to the forum. It’s great having international members. What are the gun laws like where you live?
hotrodder636
10-25-20, 21:19
Welcome to the forum and congrats on your first AR. You will likely find out that one is not enough :)
Macedonian
10-25-20, 22:05
Congratulations and welcome to the forum. It’s great having international members. What are the gun laws like where you live?
I'm American citizen now, and I live in Great State of Ohio, but I was born and raised in Yugoslavia.
The gun laws from EX Yugoslavia, pretty much apply nowadays to all Ex YU republics, and they are the Democrats wildest, wettest dreams come true.
Average Joe simply can not own a gun, or a riffle. It's a privilege for chosen few that are high positions, or bribed somebody in power.
Legally owned guns and riffles ( together) ration to people is 8%.
Consider that ones who can own a gun, probably have 2 or more guns, plus probably a hunting riffle, and it all in reality comes to 3-4%.
Process of getting permit is insane. It's long, expensive, and embarrassing. Police literally will go door to door to interview your neighbors, relatives, and your coworkers.
Even if you are perfect, and nobody says anything bad about you, there is more interviews in the police station, where often they accuse you that you have bad intentions.
That you do not trust the police, and the weapon is probably for you to commit crimes.
Police will put you under pressure, and I can bet you will even get slapped few times.
It's Communist designed system of selection, that you can't pass .
I know its sounds like SF, but bottom line its like that.
I was in the police reserve for 11 years and I've seen few of those interviews.
Welcome to the forum and congrats on your first AR. You will likely find out that one is not enough :)
Thank you. I know that one is not enough, and I already have on my mind what's next, but now it's not right time to go for it.
If you are hitting 2-3" below center at 25yds (75ft) you are likely shooting a rifle that was zeroed for 100 yards. Because of the flight of the bullet you will be hitting low at 25 yards and that's okay, that's to be expected. With a 100yd zero, you will hit slightly low at all distances up to and beyond 100 yards because 100 yards is the peak of the bullet trajectory. That's where the term "holdover" comes from.
If you can, download and print a couple of the 25yard targets from this site and take them to the range next time and you'll be able to confirm a longer zero at short ranges: http://arma-dynamics.com/red-dot-zero-targets.html (As you scroll down, the third option is what you want if it is currently zeroed for 100 yards).
I will for sure. Thank you very much.
Same happened to me when I finally shot one. Amazing but wallet suffered ever since.
Spent all my time shooting pistols for years and years never even thinking about either Rifles or Shotguns.
Only handguns for years, and one S&W M&P 15-22LR for my son to practice with.
I waited too long, and now I'm sorry, because ammo and riffles are so expensive.
Maybe I never got and AR 15 because all ranges I've been to, are 75 ft max.
It didn't made a lot of sense to me, to get riffle.
Renegade04
10-26-20, 06:18
I will just ad this, congratulations on your very first AR. Learn what you can from it. They are an amazing weapon system. I have been shooting this platform since 1978 and own right at 50 of them in various configurations. I have built nearly 100 of them since 2004. Once you learn the system better, you may find yourself wanting to undertake a build. It is very rewarding to build one and have it perform as it should. There is a lot of good advice on this forum from many who have a lot of experience. Ask and learn. Shoot as much as you can so that you can get use to the weapon. That will increase your proficiency with the platform and help to understand how it operates.
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