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jsbhike
10-28-20, 20:54
He did a good job with this.


https://youtu.be/7fMb3o2Jk_s

Firefly
10-28-20, 20:57
Lol I’m not watching the caveman from Quest for Fire go on about how “Democrats are the real racists” spiel bro.

Sorry

JoshNC
10-28-20, 22:05
Man I hate long videos.

jsbhike
10-28-20, 22:22
Lol I’m not watching the caveman from Quest for Fire go on about how “Democrats are the real racists” spiel bro.

Sorry

No that would be a special shown on Fox news or similar.

TomMcC
10-28-20, 23:03
He did a good job with this.


https://youtu.be/7fMb3o2Jk_s

Most of it was good, although I don't think Trump is a psychopath. Dems have been wiping their asses with constitution since day one. They were dangerous in 1830, they were dangerous in the 1860's, they were dangerous in the 1940's and they are dangerous today.

SteyrAUG
10-29-20, 00:38
Cliff notes:

FDR was an actual racist and in particular his policies of interning Japanese Americans following Pearl Harbor who were not guilty of any actual crimes is one of the few times this country actually practiced "institutionalized racism" in the 20th century but nobody wants to talk about that and most people today hero worship the hell out of FDR even though he was the only "other guy" that year beside Hitler and Stalin who were actually putting people into relocation camps.

Sadly I thought everyone knew this stuff already. Did we stop teaching who was President when the US put Japanese people into camps? Because I know every school is still teaching how the US was so racist during WWII that they put Japanese Americans into camps.

JediGuy
10-29-20, 03:35
“The buck stops here” principle only came after FDR. He isn’t responsible for all policies he approved or that initiated by his appointees.

jsbhike
10-29-20, 05:52
Cliff notes:

FDR was an actual racist and in particular his policies of interning Japanese Americans following Pearl Harbor who were not guilty of any actual crimes is one of the few times this country actually practiced "institutionalized racism" in the 20th century but nobody wants to talk about that and most people today hero worship the hell out of FDR even though he was the only "other guy" that year beside Hitler and Stalin who were actually putting people into relocation camps.

Sadly I thought everyone knew this stuff already. Did we stop teaching who was President when the US put Japanese people into camps? Because I know every school is still teaching how the US was so racist during WWII that they put Japanese Americans into camps.

It was getting mentioned in the 80's and 90's, but not so much on including FDR's role in it.

I had history classes where the Emancipation Proclamation was portrayed as "Lincoln freed all the slaves" and was discussed before the lecture on the opening shots on Ft. Sumter so things were getting twisted back then too.

jsbhike
10-29-20, 06:02
Most of it was good, although I don't think Trump is a psychopath. Dems have been wiping their asses with constitution since day one. They were dangerous in 1830, they were dangerous in the 1860's, they were dangerous in the 1940's and they are dangerous today.

Unfortunately both sides have since day one.

A couple of points showing the Democrat opponents weren't good. Jefferson freed prisoners of the Adams administration who had been locked up because federalists liked violating the freshly penned first amendment.

Another was Marxists that were able to escape Europe after their revolution in 1848 failed flocked to, and were embraced by, the Republican party.

Nightvisionary
10-29-20, 08:27
Unfortunately both sides have since day one.

A couple of points showing the Democrat opponents weren't good. Jefferson freed prisoners of the Adams administration who had been locked up because federalists liked violating the freshly penned first amendment.

Another was Marxists that were able to escape Europe after their revolution in 1848 failed flocked to, and were embraced by, the Republican party.

What? Marxism was an unfinished theory and the Republican party did not exist in 1848. What revolution are you referring to?

Nightvisionary
10-29-20, 08:30
Niihau Incident. Look it up then decide if FDR was wrong when viewed through the lens of 1941-42.

TomMcC
10-29-20, 10:12
Niihau Incident. Look it up then decide if FDR was wrong when viewed through the lens of 1941-42.

So, 3 traitorous Japanese Americans justifies the internment of hundreds of thousands of Japanese-American citizens and their children, the negation of their constitutional rights and the theft of their property? I guess "fear" wasn't to be feared, it was those 10 year old Jap girls we had to fear. Were German-Americans treated this badly?

REDinFL
10-29-20, 10:16
So, 3 traitorous Japanese Americans justifies the internment of hundreds of thousands of Japanese-American citizens and their children, the negation of their constitutional rights and the theft of their property? I guess "fear" wasn't to be feared, it was those 10 year old Jap girls we had to fear. Were German-Americans treated this badly?

The Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor, (I'd love to insert the Jim Belushi bit from "Animal House" here, but Im too lazy, so you'll have to visualize).

The Japanese did attack us. I'm no FDR fanboy, but he was operating in a context of the nation just being attacked. What other surprises awaited? Hindsight is always easy. Also, he was getting reports from Naval Intelligence that "agents" were waiting to stage an uprising - much as there is a lot of conspiracy jabbering about moles and cells ready to stage an uprising now. What does he do? Be wrong, and have chaos here. Those decisions aren't easy: I certainly wouldn't like to have to make them.

Funny, that Naval Intelligence was involved with a lot of "issues". Oh, like the delays in getting the translations of the Japanese letter leading up to the attack. Or, why did the information from the White House, when it finally got sent, get sidetracked and sent regular instead of FLASH? Why was Adm. Kimmel unreachable, or a message slow to Gen. Short? A collection of "mistakes" or a hand at work?

TomMcC
10-29-20, 10:44
The Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor, (I'd love to insert the Jim Belushi bit from "Animal House" here, but Im too lazy, so you'll have to visualize).

The Japanese did attack us. I'm no FDR fanboy, but he was operating in a context of the nation just being attacked. What other surprises awaited? Hindsight is always easy. Also, he was getting reports from Naval Intelligence that "agents" were waiting to stage an uprising - much as there is a lot of conspiracy jabbering about moles and cells ready to stage an uprising now. What does he do? Be wrong, and have chaos here. Those decisions aren't easy: I certainly wouldn't like to have to make them.

Funny, that Naval Intelligence was involved with a lot of "issues". Oh, like the delays in getting the translations of the Japanese letter leading up to the attack. Or, why did the information from the White House, when it finally got sent, get sidetracked and sent regular instead of FLASH? Why was Adm. Kimmel unreachable, or a message slow to Gen. Short? A collection of "mistakes" or a hand at work?

So what, they were Americans with inalienable rights, you know, rights given by God, not by FDR/Augustus Caesar. They didn't attack anyone. But hay, you never know when those slanty eyed bastards might stab you in back, best to treat their lives as chattel. Germany declared war on us and killed hundreds of thousands of our men.

REDinFL
10-29-20, 10:53
You'll (not personal, but rhetorical) find out about "inalienable rights" soon enough. That concept went out in 1865, now it's just political bullshit to hypnotize the suckers. The standard cop doctrine is, "I'll find something to arrest you for." That will expand. The hildebeest wanted to do that us "deplorables", send political dissidents to "fun camps." Think she's the only one who thinks that way?

TomMcC
10-29-20, 11:08
You'll (not personal, but rhetorical) find out about "inalienable rights" soon enough. That concept went out in 1865, now it's just political bullshit to hypnotize the suckers. The standard cop doctrine is, "I'll find something to arrest you for." That will expand. The hildebeest wanted to do that us "deplorables", send political dissidents to "fun camps." Think she's the only one who thinks that way?

I have no illusions concerning the wretchedness of men and women in power and their contempt for nobodies like me. That's why I try to steel myself against the creeping tyranny in our country, who knows, we may even have to engage in a hot fight to save our lives.

jbjh
10-29-20, 11:16
Cliff notes:

FDR was an actual racist and in particular his policies of interning Japanese Americans following Pearl Harbor who were not guilty of any actual crimes is one of the few times this country actually practiced "institutionalized racism" in the 20th century but nobody wants to talk about that and most people today hero worship the hell out of FDR even though he was the only "other guy" that year beside Hitler and Stalin who were actually putting people into relocation camps.

Sadly I thought everyone knew this stuff already. Did we stop teaching who was President when the US put Japanese people into camps? Because I know every school is still teaching how the US was so racist during WWII that they put Japanese Americans into camps.

My oldest learned it as part of her curriculum within the last couple of years in middle school. And it gets covered even more heavily when they get to high school from what I hear.


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REDinFL
10-29-20, 12:20
I have no illusions concerning the wretchedness of men and women in power and their contempt for nobodies like me. That's why I try to steel myself against the creeping tyranny in our country, who knows, we may even have to engage in a hot fight to save our lives.

There I agree with you 100%.

I saw a T shirt with a line that fits me: "Don't mess with old people. Life in Prison isn't that much of a deterrent." Hell, with the economy, it may just be a retirement alternative.

The_War_Wagon
10-29-20, 12:22
What leftists really think about a full blown racist.

Why... they VOTE for 'em - of COURSE!!! :rolleyes:

https://i.ibb.co/WthG8RT/black2.jpg


Then, & now. :blink:

https://i.ibb.co/Npkh83q/bad-people-defined.jpg

jsbhike
10-29-20, 14:51
What? Marxism was an unfinished theory and the Republican party did not exist in 1848. What revolution are you referring to?

The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848 with Marx, Engels, and others doing their thing for years prior. The revolutions in Europe occurred in 1848 with a heavy influence from Marxists, Communists, or whatever you like to call them.

The revolutions failed with many of the revolutionaries being imprisoned. Carl Schurz, Franz Sigel, and Fritz Anneke were a few of the big names that managed to escape Europe and click with the early Republican party with plenty of their lesser known comrades gravitating to the party as well.

Pretty good read on the subject.

https://aronzonijr.medium.com/the-republican-partys-red-roots-c0ff3155c08b

AKDoug
10-29-20, 16:18
The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848 with Marx, Engels, and others doing their thing for years prior. The revolutions in Europe occurred in 1848 with a heavy influence from Marxists, Communists, or whatever you like to call them.

The revolutions failed with many of the revolutionaries being imprisoned. Carl Schurz, Franz Sigel, and Fritz Anneke were a few of the big names that managed to escape Europe and click with the early Republican party with plenty of their lesser known comrades gravitating to the party as well.

Pretty good read on the subject.

https://aronzonijr.medium.com/the-republican-partys-red-roots-c0ff3155c08b

There is some truth to the modern statement that the Republican and Democratic parties basically switched polarity over the centuries.

jsbhike
10-29-20, 16:40
There is some truth to the modern statement that the Republican and Democratic parties basically switched polarity over the centuries.

Years ago one of the forums I was on had a discussion about a Texas town during the civil war where the recent german emigrants didn't fare too well. The collective wisdom was the mean old Democrat Confederate stealing from the industrious Germans(which could have been the case), but I also figure it was equally likely the inhabitants didn't like the leftist slant that German emigrants of the time seemed inclined to. Kind of like how a church in Boston kicked Francis Bellamy (author of the pledge of allegiance and a devout socialist masquerading as a Baptist minister) kicked him to the curb once they noticed he really was.

SteyrAUG
10-29-20, 23:56
Niihau Incident. Look it up then decide if FDR was wrong when viewed through the lens of 1941-42.

My teacher was born on Hawaii and recalls how a neighbor wearing a makeshift uniform and carrying a sword began to round up locals in preparation for a Japanese landing. LOTS of Japanese were fifth columnists and deserved to end up in confinement, but lots of regular families, especially on the mainland did nothing but lost their homes and businesses anyway. It was done simply because it was easier to ID a Japanese American rather than a German or Italian American and generally the Japanese had only been here for one or two generations.

The FBI also put Germans and Italians into internment camps, but they had to have done something or been investigated and considered a strong risk for that to happen.

So yeah, FDR was very guilty of blanket, racism of a group that was easily to exploit.

And my teacher also remembers his mother telling him how other Japanese neighbors explained what was happening and threw in with the natives. By the next day, all of the Japanese who tried to round up trouble makers were themselves rounded up.

gunrunner505
10-30-20, 14:39
There is racism in America. You’ll find it in just about any leftie/liberal you can find. It’s been running rampant through the left for decades/centuries . It’s easy to see. Too many people just don’t want to look.


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jpmuscle
10-30-20, 14:53
Wtf isn’t considered “racist” anymore? Everything is a goddamn social construct and word definitions are fluid and subject to perspective and that’s half the problem with anything. The other half is double standards for everything.


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Firefly
10-30-20, 15:25
Wtf isn’t considered “racist” anymore? Everything is a goddamn social construct and word definitions are fluid and subject to perspective and that’s half the problem with anything. The other half is double standards for everything.


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Taxes be racist an shit

jpmuscle
10-30-20, 15:33
Taxes be racist an shit

I pay yo taxes


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Diamondback
10-30-20, 17:27
Taxes be racist an shit

And gun control! The closed registry and high prices of MG's are discrimination against women, minority and other non-1% gun owners! AK47's (and M4s, and M240s, and...) for EVERYONE!

SteyrAUG
10-30-20, 18:23
Wtf isn’t considered “racist” anymore? Everything is a goddamn social construct and word definitions are fluid and subject to perspective and that’s half the problem with anything. The other half is double standards for everything.


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Your prices are higher than Amazon and that's racist.

Honu
10-30-20, 19:31
Wtf isn’t considered “racist” anymore? Everything is a goddamn social construct and word definitions are fluid and subject to perspective and that’s half the problem with anything. The other half is double standards for everything.


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well you are racist since you do not know ANYTHING the left wants to say or do is NOT racist even if you are white calling a black dude the N word while tearing the American flag from him as he says I am a veteran you can call him the N word say you hate vets want to kill him and he is a racist nazi !!!

if you do that while wearing your democratic antifa badge and BLM shirt you are the good guy

as Biden said today about anyone supporting trump "We’re gonna take care of them as well"


says the poor young children of a trump supporter when biden wins and kamla is pres
MOM we are going camping at some place called FEMA they say we are going to relearn everything :)

ABNAK
10-30-20, 19:54
Cliff notes:

FDR was an actual racist and in particular his policies of interning Japanese Americans following Pearl Harbor who were not guilty of any actual crimes is one of the few times this country actually practiced "institutionalized racism" in the 20th century but nobody wants to talk about that and most people today hero worship the hell out of FDR even though he was the only "other guy" that year beside Hitler and Stalin who were actually putting people into relocation camps.

Sadly I thought everyone knew this stuff already. Did we stop teaching who was President when the US put Japanese people into camps? Because I know every school is still teaching how the US was so racist during WWII that they put Japanese Americans into camps.

Another reason I don't agree with the notion of SCOTUS infallibility. They upheld it at the time. They also upheld slavery at one time. So you'll excuse me if I don't put much stock into SCOTUS's modern-day opinion of the RKBA.

Disciple
10-30-20, 20:01
Another for that list is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Diamondback
10-30-20, 20:23
Another reason I don't agree with the notion of SCOTUS infallibility. They upheld it at the time. They also upheld slavery at one time. So you'll excuse me if I don't put much stock into SCOTUS's modern-day opinion of the RKBA.

SCROTUS would still hold Dred Scott legal and binding if abolition hadn't been rammed up their craplocker by Constitutional amendment...

"You might be the law but that don't make you right."

ABNAK
10-30-20, 20:30
SCROTUS would still hold Dred Scott legal and binding if abolition hadn't been rammed up their craplocker by Constitutional amendment...

"You might be the law but that don't make you right."

Something can be legal but that doesn't necessarily make it right.

jpmuscle
10-30-20, 20:52
Something can be legal but that doesn't necessarily make it right.

And people can be endowed with liberty but that doesn’t mean they’re deserving of it unfortunately. Instead they just waste it

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jsbhike
10-31-20, 07:55
SCROTUS would still hold Dred Scott legal and binding if abolition hadn't been rammed up their craplocker by Constitutional amendment...

"You might be the law but that don't make you right."

Add Rehnquist to the drug addict list in this article.

https://reason.com/2005/07/01/supreme-court-senility-2/

SteyrAUG
11-01-20, 03:48
Something can be legal but that doesn't necessarily make it right.

Interestingly enough, even the nazis made sure everything they did had a legal basis starting with the Nuremberg laws up to the Wannsee conference where even when they established deniability they still took the time, trouble and effort to establish a legal foundation for everything they did.

So from a legal standpoint, that leaves the door wide open to just about anything.

jsbhike
11-01-20, 09:21
On the right/wrong not being the same as legal/illegal, Former prosecutor Wendy Murphy acts like she cannot understand voluntary vs. involuntary interactions. I don't know if she is faking it, so indoctrinated she doesn't know which way is up, or if It is a manifestation of a mental illness.

I have had conversations along these lines with people before with a similar outcome. An obvious one is someone being armed for self defense shouldn't be illegal gets met with "we don't let people commit arson/rape/theft/ad nauseum where party a inflicts harm on party b", but, and I have no doubt Wendy is the same, wants special groups like hers to be free to harm others without consequences for their actions.


https://youtu.be/Z23yQFx6MJ0

Firefly
11-01-20, 10:34
That video, paired with my They Live glasses, made me angry and bitter.

That Karen named Wendy (obviously a lawyer)) says it’s illegal and morally wrong to rob someone.

Yet, don’t pay the tax man and who comes to your house with a gun?

They don’t want good looking whores legal because then people won’t be pissed off amd snap. Just like big pharma. I know what’s going on and Joe Rogan is a piece of shit who needs to be deported

jsbhike
11-03-20, 10:27
That video, paired with my They Live glasses, made me angry and bitter.

That Karen named Wendy (obviously a lawyer)) says it’s illegal and morally wrong to rob someone.

Yet, don’t pay the tax man and who comes to your house with a gun?

They don’t want good looking whores legal because then people won’t be pissed off amd snap. Just like big pharma. I know what’s going on and Joe Rogan is a piece of shit who needs to be deported

She also goes on guilty until proven innocent and limits on presenting evidence of innocence. I hope someone is looking in to the cases she oversaw.

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2012/10/19/yales_new_low_and_the_sad_saga/

Based on the interview and articles I suspect she is among the loons who have the belief all heterosexual sex involves a man raping a woman

glocktogo
11-03-20, 11:36
I'm way more ashamed of "Wendy" than those prostitutes. She puts people in cages for money.