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I have a Norinco M305 (NOS at $ 800) but been longing for a SA for a while.
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They are very expensive new here in Switzerland (add 10% for US$) but now I found a lightly used (500 rds) one from a private seller.
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I bought it and it was delivered last week, it came with three mags, a 10 and two 20.
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Can’t wait to get out and shoot it some, I have a good stash of ammo for it.
Ricardo China
11-18-20, 19:16
+1 Norinco M305 owner here. Good basic rifles.
Congrats on the new Springfield.
Looks great. I don't know why I've never purchased one. It would be nice if we could get the SDM MK25 Sniper rifles here in the US.
Looks great. I don't know why I've never purchased one. It would be nice if we could get the SDM MK25 Sniper rifles here in the US.
I actually transformed my M305 into a SDM M25 type
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You have some nice stuff for being in a foreign country (i.e. not the United States). Are guns heavily regulated?
You have some nice stuff for being in a foreign country (i.e. not the United States). Are guns heavily regulated?
From my extremely rough understanding, Switzerland is possibly even better (or similar) to the US in terms of rights of private citizens to own firearms, although I am SURE there are the usual suspects hard at work to eliminate that right.
kaltesherz
11-27-20, 22:33
From what I remember Switzerland has stricter gun laws for "normal" firearms but far more lenient for NFA type firearms i.e. there's no pre-1986 restrictions for select-fire, no "once a machine gun always a machine gun" (select-fire can be converted to semi), and allows foreign made suppressors for civilian ownership.
You have some nice stuff for being in a foreign country (i.e. not the United States). Are guns heavily regulated?
From my extremely rough understanding, Switzerland is possibly even better (or similar) to the US in terms of rights of private citizens to own firearms, although I am SURE there are the usual suspects hard at work to eliminate that right.
From what I remember Switzerland has stricter gun laws for "normal" firearms but far more lenient for NFA type firearms i.e. there's no pre-1986 restrictions for select-fire, no "once a machine gun always a machine gun" (select-fire can be converted to semi), and allows foreign made suppressors for civilian ownership.
Switzerland has the reputation to be a very gun friendly country, especially compared to neighbouring countries in Europe.
However new gun laws are being introduced under the pressure of the European Union with whom Switzerland has bilateral commercial trade accords.
You need to apply for a gun permit at the bureau of arms for each gun. Cost is $ 50 per permit. For that you obviously need a virgin criminal record. You may put up to three guns on the same permit but those have to be bought the same day from the same seller. That leads to some regrouping amongst sellers at gun shows, and also to some compulsive buying, to fill the second and third line and amortise the permit.
We used to be allowed to carry, concealed only, but that now requires another permit which is nearly impossible to get unless your profession requires it. Private transaction used to be allowed without permit but that’s no longer the case.
We are still allowed to acquire and possess full auto weapons for collection purposes, or professional needs. Those require an exceptional permit, which has a few more conditions required, such as already having a small collection, a bolted safe, bolts have to be stored separately and another permit is required to shoot them.
This limits interest in them and they are therefore fairly cheap here, say $ 2-2500 for an M16, $ 1500 for a Glock 18, HK MP5 start at $ 2000, a Thompson starts at $ 1800 etc..
The Swiss army is a militia / conscripts army. The particularity was that service was spread over years, you started with basic training for four months (plus another three if you go to under officer school), then you’d have a repeating or training three weeks course every year until a certain age, depending on your grade. I think it used to be close to 40 yrs for private, and up for officers.
At the end of you service you have the possibility to keep your service rifle (for private) or pistol (for officers). Therefore attics and gunshows are littered with old straight pull rifles, Stgw 57 and 90 (full auto bits are removed), Swiss revolvers, Lugers, P210 and 220.
Nowadays and with the end of the Cold War 30 years ago, the Swiss army has been drastically reduced and professionalised, went from 600’000 potential soldiers including reservists to abt 150’000 today. It’s still conscripts but shorter and a lot more kids get away without having to do it. Which in a way is a shame, as it’s good life introduction for the 18 yr old knuckleheads (my son in law was sadly exempted, it would have done him a world of good).
At the end of your service you have to possibility to keep your service rifle or pistol for a $ 100 fee. You must have participated in three qualifying shoots in the last three years of your service. This is a fairly recent requirement, a friend found out the hard way when the army told him he missed one and couldn’t keep his rifle. He bought a civilian Sig 550 for $ 2800.
We used to be allowed to carry, concealed only, but that now requires another permit which is nearly impossible to get unless your profession requires it. Private transaction used to be allowed without permit but that’s no longer the case.
What year did this change?
That LaGardere catalog is the stuff of dreams.
What year did this change?
I believe it changed on 1st January 1999
Here’s the full Swiss law
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19983208/index.html
That LaGardere catalog is the stuff of dreams.
Not only is he by far the biggest dealer in Switzerland, some people say he’s probably the biggest in Europe.
He also sells to and buys back from various police forces in Europe. He is the official importer for Colt here.
https://www.lagardere.ch/images/fichiers/catalogue202001.pdf
Switzerland has the reputation to be a very gun friendly country, especially compared to neighbouring countries in Europe.
However new gun laws are being introduced under the pressure of the European Union with whom Switzerland has bilateral commercial trade accords.
You need to apply for a gun permit at the bureau of arms for each gun. Cost is $ 50 per permit. For that you obviously need a virgin criminal record. You may put up to three guns on the same permit but those have to be bought the same day from the same seller. That leads to some regrouping amongst sellers at gun shows, and also to some compulsive buying, to fill the second and third line and amortise the permit.
We used to be allowed to carry, concealed only, but that now requires another permit which is nearly impossible to get unless your profession requires it. Private transaction used to be allowed without permit but that’s no longer the case.
We are still allowed to acquire and possess full auto weapons for collection purposes, or professional needs. Those require an exceptional permit, which has a few more conditions required, such as already having a small collection, a bolted safe, bolts have to be stored separately and another permit is required to shoot them.
This limits interest in them and they are therefore fairly cheap here, say $ 2-2500 for an M16, $ 1500 for a Glock 18, HK MP5 start at $ 2000, a Thompson starts at $ 1800 etc..
The Swiss army is a militia / conscripts army. The particularity was that service was spread over years, you started with basic training for four months (plus another three if you go to under officer school), then you’d have a repeating or training three weeks course every year until a certain age, depending on your grade. I think it used to be close to 40 yrs for private, and up for officers.
At the end of you service you have the possibility to keep your service rifle (for private) or pistol (for officers). Therefore attics and gunshows are littered with old straight pull rifles, Stgw 57 and 90 (full auto bits are removed), Swiss revolvers, Lugers, P210 and 220.
Nowadays and with the end of the Cold War 30 years ago, the Swiss army has been drastically reduced and professionalised, went from 600’000 potential soldiers including reservists to abt 150’000 today. It’s still conscripts but shorter and a lot more kids get away without having to do it. Which in a way is a shame, as it’s good life introduction for the 18 yr old knuckleheads (my son in law was sadly exempted, it would have done him a world of good).
At the end of your service you have to possibility to keep your service rifle or pistol for a $ 100 fee. You must have participated in three qualifying shoots in the last three years of your service. This is a fairly recent requirement, a friend found out the hard way when the army told him he missed one and couldn’t keep his rifle. He bought a civilian Sig 550 for $ 2800.Is it true that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed to own firearms?
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Is it true that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed to own firearms?
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That is correct, the list currently includes
Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Albania.
That is correct, the list currently includes
Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Albania.
Thats awesome,
I really wish we could have narrowly tailored restrictions towards certain, undesirable groups at times.
Thats awesome,
I really wish we could have narrowly tailored restrictions towards certain, undesirable groups at times.This isn't narrowly tailored. It's everyone from those countries. Period!
Also, love narrowly tailoring the Constitution at will. We can change it with every new president!!!!
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This isn't narrowly tailored. It's everyone from those countries. Period!
Also, love narrowly tailoring the Constitution at will. We can change it with every new president!!!!
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What constitution? You mean State constitutions or the US constitution that somehow allow are null and void in light of a bad flu season? And that all went down under what could be considered as the most pro American president in the last 40 years.
What constitution? You mean State constitutions or the US constitution that somehow allow are null and void in light of a bad flu season? And that all went down under what could be considered as the most pro American president in the last 40 years.So screw it? May as well just disregard it all!!!??!?!
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tanksoldier
12-01-20, 12:59
So screw it? May as well just disregard it all!!!??!?!
The reality is: they are disregarding it all, and We the People are letting them.
I agree the government shouldn't be restricting firearms ownership based on anything, but the reality is that they are restricting that... and a lot more, and getting away with it.
The reality is: they are disregarding it all, and We the People are letting them.
I agree the government shouldn't be restricting firearms ownership based on anything, but the reality is that they are restricting that... and a lot more, and getting away with it.And some people here are all for it
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tanksoldier
12-01-20, 13:45
And some people here are all for it
In fairness, some people haven't thought things all the way through.
Thank you for the explanation of Swiss gun laws. Your posts here have definitely raised questions in my mind that you answered.
I very much enjoy your posts, by the way.
Andy
Not only is he by far the biggest dealer in Switzerland, some people say he’s probably the biggest in Europe.
He also sells to and buys back from various police forces in Europe. He is the official importer for Colt here.
https://www.lagardere.ch/images/fichiers/catalogue202001.pdf
Yep, I have downloaded the LaGardere catalog every quarter for the last ten years or so. It’s wonderful.
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