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Business_Casual
11-25-20, 06:47
Post your UFO and UAP article finds here.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/11/24/hayward-wildlife-officials-discover-weird-metal-monolith-remote-utah/
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/03/13/video-shows-apparent-encounter-between-navy-pilot-and-ufo/
https://www.fox9.com/news/the-truth-is-out-there-ufo-sightings-up-this-year
https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/goodyear-blimp-mistaken-ufo-new-jersey-skies/AY6DQ7VR4BHF5CADJSEL2HQTDA/
Dr. Bullseye
11-25-20, 13:26
"Disclosure"? That is a loaded word in the UFO world. No, not sightings, government disclosure. Trust me, you can't get the government to disclose anything, ever. Secrecy is the default setting for all government work. FOIA will get you a "no record" if you requested information on George Washington. This is a Deep State issue, it is the same in every administration, and not even the President, in the form of Bill Clinton, had the power to break through on this.
Solar Warden is real
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WickedWillis
11-25-20, 13:57
Solar Warden is real
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Should I google that, or no?
just a scout
11-25-20, 14:27
Should I google that, or no?
Only if you want a visit.
MIBs are real.
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just a scout
11-25-20, 14:58
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Those Cylon chicks are kinda hot.
http://i.imgur.com/wBFpFev.jpg (https://imgur.com/wBFpFev)
Business_Casual
11-25-20, 17:45
"Disclosure"? That is a loaded word in the UFO world. No, not sightings, government disclosure. Trust me, you can't get the government to disclose anything, ever. Secrecy is the default setting for all government work. FOIA will get you a "no record" if you requested information on George Washington. This is a Deep State issue, it is the same in every administration, and not even the President, in the form of Bill Clinton, had the power to break through on this.
First there will be stories on UFOs. Then there will be a shift to UAPs. The population will become inured to the phenomena. Then the government will reveal the existence of non-earth life.
Your paradigm, I suggest, needs to be updated.
Try “American Cosmic” or “Aliens, UFOs and the Occult” for instance.
BuzzinSATX
11-25-20, 18:22
I don’t know that this is UFO related, but this was supposedly a ‘mystery object’ discovered imbedded in rock in remote Utah mountains by state fish and game folks counting bighorn sheep by helicopters . Very cool pics...anyone know what this chunk of metal might be?
https://time.com/5915344/utah-metal-monolith-desert/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
I saw it earlier on the official State of Utah website but cannot relocate the link.
The location of the monolith is in a tough place to get to. There is a 4x4 trail to the north and east of it, but it would be a bitch to carry that thing in. I would use a pack mule depending on how heavy it is. I have done a lot of exploration in the area south of the monolith since I was a young man. Just for grins, I have provided the GPS coordinates you can copy and past into Google Maps:
38.343072, -109.666186
I don’t know that this is UFO related, but this was supposedly a ‘mystery object’ discovered imbedded in rock in remote Utah mountains by state fish and game folks counting bighorn sheep by helicopters . Very cool pics...anyone know what this chunk of metal might be?
https://time.com/5915344/utah-metal-monolith-desert/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
I saw it earlier on the official State of Utah website but cannot relocate the link.
Some observers compared the monolith to the plank sculptures by artist John McCracken
Is this what Sidney Powell was talking about? :dance3:
BuzzinSATX
11-29-20, 18:02
The location of the monolith is in a tough place to get to. There is a 4x4 trail to the north and east of it, but it would be a bitch to carry that thing in. I would use a pack mule depending on how heavy it is. I have done a lot of exploration in the area south of the monolith since I was a young man. Just for grins, I have provided the GPS coordinates you can copy and past into Google Maps:
38.343072, -109.666186
So now, to add to the mystery...
Gone without a trace...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/28/us/monolith-utah-disappeared.amp.html
Inkslinger
11-29-20, 18:17
I don’t know that this is UFO related, but this was supposedly a ‘mystery object’ discovered imbedded in rock in remote Utah mountains by state fish and game folks counting bighorn sheep by helicopters . Very cool pics...anyone know what this chunk of metal might be?
https://time.com/5915344/utah-metal-monolith-desert/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
I saw it earlier on the official State of Utah website but cannot relocate the link.
I would hope alien technology wouldn’t rely on screws as fasteners. Neat piece of installation art for sure.
MountainRaven
11-29-20, 18:21
I think, "embedded," is a little strong.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/c15788506dda2372ef870cb25b8d4ad7/tenor.gif?itemid=4422663
Link (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/29/monolith-vanishes-from-utah-desert).
So now, to add to the mystery...
Gone without a trace...
It''s probably in the home of some art collector.
Adrenaline_6
11-30-20, 07:25
LOL...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34771475/does-intelligent-life-exist-elsewhere/
LOL...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34771475/does-intelligent-life-exist-elsewhere/
And I was hoping that metal thing found in Utah (now in the home of some art collector) is actually a star gate to another part of the universe. It would be cool if that art collector was having creepy crawler space demons arriving inside his/her living room. Probably a Denebian Slime Devil from the Deneb V Star system. If only Kirk and Bones could arrive in that home, finding what was left of the collector, and we'd get a Bones' favorite line: "He's dead, Jim".
LOL...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34771475/does-intelligent-life-exist-elsewhere/
Well, how bout that. Matter can do miracles too. You know matter and energy are omnipotent.
Business_Casual
11-30-20, 17:10
Object approaches earth.
https://apple.news/AMDNltNRaRrKkKBqzTtt7LQ
Dr. Bullseye
11-30-20, 19:10
I don’t know that this is UFO related, but this was supposedly a ‘mystery object’ discovered imbedded in rock in remote Utah mountains by state fish and game folks counting bighorn sheep by helicopters . Very cool pics...anyone know what this chunk of metal might be?
https://time.com/5915344/utah-metal-monolith-desert/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
I saw it earlier on the official State of Utah website but cannot relocate the link.
Guy, I don't know how old you are but I've been hearing this same old sad tale since about 1960. What possible motivation would the government have to disclose anything, let along UFOs? Short answer: they don't.
BuzzinSATX
12-01-20, 05:40
LOL...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34771475/does-intelligent-life-exist-elsewhere/
So hard for atheists to even consider the possibility of an Almighty God but they swallow evolution and the “life from no life” paradox so easily.
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BuzzinSATX
12-01-20, 05:42
I think, "embedded," is a little strong.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/c15788506dda2372ef870cb25b8d4ad7/tenor.gif?itemid=4422663
Link (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/29/monolith-vanishes-from-utah-desert).
Maybe, but no one seemed to move it and the guy from Diesel Brothers was standing on it, so it was pretty stable,
ETA:
Definitely man made but still interesting. Better info here:
https://www.ktnv.com/now-trending/star-of-diesel-brothers-finds-mysterious-monolith-in-utah-desert
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There's another one. From the New York Post:
Another mysterious monolith appears — in Romania
https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/another-mysterious-monolith-appears-in-romania/
Adrenaline_6
12-01-20, 09:58
The monolith's are statues made by artistic Bigfoot's.
rdcwannabe
12-02-20, 11:24
Only if you want a visit.
MIBs are real.
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Time to figure out what this is all about...
I wouldn’t be mad if we all woke up one morning and found out the Doom Slayer is real... just saying.
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I wouldn’t be mad if we all woke up one morning and found out the Doom Slayer is real... just saying.
This post is one of many where I have to GOOGLE "Doom Slayer",etc. because I don't know what the hell it/whom it is..... It just shows how out-of-the-loop this old soldier and cowboy is.
WickedWillis
12-02-20, 18:16
This question was asked online a year or so ago, but it might be fun to ponder here.
If Aliens show up; look exactly like us, same species and everything, would that make the belief in God more reasonable or less reasonable?
BuzzinSATX
12-02-20, 18:30
This question was asked online a year or so ago, but it might be fun to ponder here.
If Aliens show up; look exactly like us, same species and everything, would that make the belief in God more reasonable or less reasonable?
The existence of aliens has no bearing on my belief in an Almighty God or all other beliefs I have as a Christian.
If I believe in an omnipotent being, how can I limit Him to just one creation?
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WickedWillis
12-02-20, 18:32
The existence of aliens has no bearing on my belief in an Almighty God or all other beliefs I have as a Christian.
If I believe in an omnipotent being, how can I limit Him to just one creation?
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I believe the same, I just think that's a great question to ponder.
BuzzinSATX
12-02-20, 18:32
If you are saying that we are the result of “alien implants “ on the Earth, you still have to tell me where they came from.
The Big Bang has to do one thing that science says it physically impossible...create life from non life.
I have no trouble with that quandary being solved by God.
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BuzzinSATX
12-02-20, 18:35
I believe the same, I just think that's a great question to ponder.
I agree it is good to look at stuff from a different perspective.
You can any to have a really interesting perspective that blows away “conventional” science, rent the video “Is Genesis History?”
I found it fascinating and actually makes a LOT of sense!
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The existence of aliens has no bearing on my belief in an Almighty God or all other beliefs I have as a Christian.
If I believe in an omnipotent being, how can I limit Him to just one creation?
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Theologically that position would have some serious problems. Speculating about what God might have done goes beyond what the scriptures teach in my view (Sola Scriptura).
If you are saying that we are the result of “alien implants “ on the Earth, you still have to tell me where they came from.
The Big Bang has to do one thing that science says it physically impossible...create life from non life.
I have no trouble with that quandary being solved by God.
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Where does science claim that? Science does not offer any answers there, only hypothesis of various possible routes. Minus a time machine, it's unlikely we will ever know the answer to that one. Is it possible some higher consciousness from God(s) to aliens got the process started on earth? Sure, but it's not a testable hypothesis nor is there any evidence for it. The Intelligent Design which amounts to "It's too complicated, so God did it" approach of no value from a scientific POV.
Maybe said higher consciousness got things started and went hands off after that as a cosmic experiment, or maybe it/they guided things here and there, and so forth. Again, it's not a testable hypothesis nor is there any evidence for it. Science does not care how/what/where things happen, it, as a process, hypothesis based on some evidence, and an attempt to fill in the gaps where it can.
Everything else is philosophy and or religion.
Personally I don't have an issue with the idea a higher consciousness got things started, but minus actual evidence, we are left with the various models and "God did it" does not make forward progress in understanding the universe, all things big and small.
I think it would be really cool if one day we dig down to the very bottom of all things in the quantum level and discover a code that says "I did it all you morons, signed God" but I will not hold my breath on that one. I tell you what, one of the best vids I have seen on the nature of consciousness, which does not deny the possibility of a grand universal consciousness, is below. He comes from a religious background and may have "solved" - as well as such things can be - one of the biggest Qs mankind has ever asked since looking up into the night sky at e stars and pondering how we got here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6CQCbk2ro
This question was asked online a year or so ago, but it might be fun to ponder here.
If Aliens show up; look exactly like us, same species and everything, would that make the belief in God more reasonable or less reasonable?
More interesting to me is, what if they tell us we got it all wrong, their God, the 3 headed lizard thingy, is the right God and their books older, etc, etc. Now we have the "my God is better than your God" routine between species. If humanity is any guide, those with the better weapons and tactics always end up forcing their version of God(s) down the throats of those who don't see it that way. I don't think we would fair well under that scenario and some scientists don't actually think looking for/contacting intelligent life out there is actually a good idea:
https://www.sciencealert.com/stephen-hawking-warns-that-we-might-not-want-to-reach-out-to-aliens
WickedWillis
12-03-20, 10:43
More interesting to me is, what if they tell us we got it all wrong, their God, the 3 headed lizard thingy, is the right God and their books older, etc, etc. Now we have the "my God is better than your God" routine between species. If humanity is any guide, those with the better weapons and tactics always end up forcing their version of God(s) down the throats of those who don't see it that way. I don't think we would fair well under that scenario and some scientists don't actually think looking for/contacting intelligent life out there is actually a good idea:
https://www.sciencealert.com/stephen-hawking-warns-that-we-might-not-want-to-reach-out-to-aliens
There is another good angle on that I agree. It almost feels odd expanding to any other line of thinking that large lol
BuzzinSATX
12-03-20, 11:56
Where does science claim that? Science does not offer any answers there, only hypothesis of various possible routes. Minus a time machine, it's unlikely we will ever know the answer to that one. Is it possible some higher consciousness from God(s) to aliens got the process started on earth? Sure, but it's not a testable hypothesis nor is there any evidence for it. The Intelligent Design which amounts to "It's too complicated, so God did it" approach of no value from a scientific POV.
Maybe said higher consciousness got things started and went hands off after that as a cosmic experiment, or maybe it/they guided things here and there, and so forth. Again, it's not a testable hypothesis nor is there any evidence for it. Science does not care how/what/where things happen, it, as a process, hypothesis based on some evidence, and an attempt to fill in the gaps where it can.
Everything else is philosophy and or religion.
Personally I don't have an issue with the idea a higher consciousness got things started, but minus actual evidence, we are left with the various models and "God did it" does not make forward progress in understanding the universe, all things big and small.
I think it would be really cool if one day we dig down to the very bottom of all things in the quantum level and discover a code that says "I did it all you morons, signed God" but I will not hold my breath on that one. I tell you what, one of the best vids I have seen on the nature of consciousness, which does not deny the possibility of a grand universal consciousness, is below. He comes from a religious background and may have "solved" - as well as such things can be - one of the biggest Qs mankind has ever asked since looking up into the night sky at e stars and pondering how we got here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6CQCbk2ro
Good post and points.
You are right, science doesn’t say you can’t get life from non-life matter.
My words were not chosen well. My point I failed to make is that abiogenesis has not been proven. There are lots of theories, but we can’t do it as far as I am aware.
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Good post and points.
You are right, science doesn’t say you can’t get life from non-life matter.
My words were not chosen well. My point I failed to make is that abiogenesis has not been proven. There are lots of theories, but we can’t do it as far as I am aware.
Yes, has not been proven and we can't do it yet. All we have is various lines of evidence that life started at an approx time, and how it started remains a mystery. Short of a time machine, that one will likely remain the best guess of science. People are not comfortable with such unknowns and it's often they, not being scientists, that put words in the mouth of science. Those who study that topic - evolutionary biologists etc - will tell you they don't have a clue how life began on earth, and currently best guess, which does have some supporting lines of evidence, is abiogenesis as there's no other line of evidence to suggest otherwise. There's not a single evolutionary biologists who would claim abiogenesis has been proven as the only route life on earth started, only that it's the only hypothesis they really have to work with from a science POV. "God did it" just does not quite cover it for science until there is some evidence some higher consciousness was part of it. I kinds like the idea that perhaps the answer is more amazing than anything we have even considered, but it currently comes down to three possibilities: abiogenesis, panspermia, God(s) did it.
Business_Casual
12-03-20, 15:03
If you are saying that we are the result of “alien implants “ on the Earth, you still have to tell me where they came from.
The Big Bang has to do one thing that science says it physically impossible...create life from non life.
I have no trouble with that quandary being solved by God.
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It’s interesting that “science” needs that one free miracle for their otherwise snooty totally rational, fact-based model to work...
MountainRaven
12-03-20, 15:21
It’s interesting that “science” needs that one free miracle for their otherwise snooty totally rational, fact-based model to work...
It’s not (likely) a miracle. Just because we do not yet understand it does not mean that it’s a miracle.
It’s interesting that “science” needs that one free miracle for their otherwise snooty totally rational, fact-based model to work...
There’s a logical explanation for everything, we simply don’t have the necessary evidence to reach it yet...
There’s a logical explanation for everything, we simply don’t have the necessary evidence to reach it yet...
Its quite logical to hold to the axiom that "the Bible is true", unless of course you can give us the logical fallacy that statement makes. But since we are talking about "evidence", and there doest seem to be much UFO action right now, is there "evidence" for the existence of an abstract like "human rights"? Or is that just something made up in the minds of some men?
Its quite logical to hold to the axiom that "the Bible is true", unless of course you can give us the logical fallacy that statement makes. But since we are talking about "evidence", and there doest seem to be much UFO action right now, is there "evidence" for the existence of an abstract like "human rights"? Or is that just something made up in the minds of some men?
Human rights is a creation of man, just like religion.
Human rights is a creation of man, just like religion.
Then you disagree with the founders of what we understand as "Western civilization" and would agree with say...the Democrats, that "rights" are just a social construct?
I would also ask you how you know that your statement is true? Or do you just postulate it as an opinion?
I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of things and no i don’t know if my statement is 100% true, it could be 110% bovine scatology... just like yours.
Business_Casual
12-03-20, 18:56
There’s a logical explanation for everything, we simply don’t have the necessary evidence to reach it yet...
That’s a belief, not a fact. Science is barometric pressure or two hydrogen atoms plus one oxygen atom equals the molecule water. Science isn’t guessing about an uncaused first cause. That’s no different than religion.
Not that impressive, plywood frame.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/arts/design/utah-monolith-removed-instagram.html
That’s a belief, not a fact. Science is barometric pressure or two hydrogen atoms plus one oxygen atom equals the molecule water. Science isn’t guessing about an uncaused first cause. That’s no different than religion.
No it’s not... just like engineering, in the history of everything that works there was a time when it didn’t work. It’s not that hard to grasp...
No it’s not... just like engineering, in the history of everything that works there was a time when it didn’t work. It’s not that hard to grasp...
Do you believe scientists will be able some day to actually know what happened 4-5 billion years ago when something became alive? (I'm using the materialist's time frame here. I don't believe in deep time).
I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of things and no i don’t know if my statement is 100% true, it could be 110% bovine scatology... just like yours.
So you do disagree with the founders of western civilization that rights derive from the divine? I try to be consistent with my fundamental assumptions and axiom, I consider it rational. Are you consistent with yours'?
Adrenaline_6
12-04-20, 08:14
There’s a logical explanation for everything, we simply don’t have the necessary evidence to reach it yet...
Although that might be true, assuming we have the capacity to understand it is pure arrogance.
So you do disagree with the founders of western civilization that rights derive from the divine? I try to be consistent with my fundamental assumptions and axiom, I consider it rational. Are you consistent with yours'?
My positions and opinions on most things change with the discovery of new information. People incapable of that are why we are so broken as a country. So my position is that I consistently update my opinions and beliefs as new information is discovered. I evolve just like everything else...
Business_Casual
12-04-20, 08:54
My positions and opinions on most things change with the discovery of new information. People incapable of that are why we are so broken as a country. So my position is that I consistently update my opinions and beliefs as new information is discovered. I evolve just like everything else...
I would suggest this lack of an anchor is the problem - we’ve seen what progressives have destroyed in a short period of time.
That’s a belief, not a fact. Science is barometric pressure or two hydrogen atoms plus one oxygen atom equals the molecule water. Science isn’t guessing about an uncaused first cause. That’s no different than religion.
That is exactly what science is. No one woke up knowing water is two hydrogen atoms plus one oxygen atom. Science the methodical process of not knowing after someone asked a Q "what's water made of?" -> knowing. Knowing comes from hypothesis, experimentation, results, etc. It's that simple.
Some Qs may never have a definitive answer, are best guess by science, based on existing lines of evidence. All of Einsteins theorems existed as math only until they were tested via experimentation. All of them were confirmed, many of which existed before the tech existed to test them.
That you/we don't understand something, does not mean others don't. To me it's the height of irony to have these discussions over a computer communicating over wires and satellites and such, all existing due to Einsteins theoretical works.
I really think this thread should get back on topic...
I would suggest this lack of an anchor is the problem - we’ve seen what progressives have destroyed in a short period of time.
MMMMMM, sounds like something like shifting sand rather than a solid rock.
My positions and opinions on most things change with the discovery of new information. People incapable of that are why we are so broken as a country. So my position is that I consistently update my opinions and beliefs as new information is discovered. I evolve just like everything else...
So when it comes to rights has some new and worthwhile information arisen? Since the concept of "rights" is an abstraction, science really can't help us here. It's not like scientists are going to ever find the "rights" particle. So, it seems that "rights" must be either anchored in the minds of men or something else. How trusting of men are you?
Blankstrap
12-04-20, 11:31
...I really think this thread should get back on topic...This is exactly what happens every time the subject touches on the cosmic, metaphysical or religious. At least everyone's been more or less polite so far... ;)
Anyway, I agree -- back on topic. This is The Debrief's latest on what's going on at (and coming out of) ONI's UAP Task Force:
https://www.thedebrief.org/fast-movers-and-transmedium-vehicles-the-pentagons-uap-task-force/
Your website won't load for me. So do they have some insight concerning ufos...fast moving vehicles?
WickedWillis
12-04-20, 12:28
This is the most credible video to date. This guys was awesome on the Joe Rogan podcast
https://youtu.be/rO_M0hLlJ-Q
Blankstrap
12-04-20, 13:06
Your website won't load for me. So do they have some insight concerning ufos...fast moving vehicles?Loaded slow for me but eventually opened.
Business_Casual
12-04-20, 13:29
That is exactly what science is. No one woke up knowing water is two hydrogen atoms plus one oxygen atom. Science the methodical process of not knowing after someone asked a Q "what's water made of?" -> knowing. Knowing comes from hypothesis, experimentation, results, etc. It's that simple.
Some Qs may never have a definitive answer, are best guess by science, based on existing lines of evidence. All of Einsteins theorems existed as math only until they were tested via experimentation. All of them were confirmed, many of which existed before the tech existed to test them.
That you/we don't understand something, does not mean others don't. To me it's the height of irony to have these discussions over a computer communicating over wires and satellites and such, all existing due to Einsteins theoretical works.
I really think this thread should get back on topic...
Still not science, that’s conjecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
What experiment can we reproduce that shows how life originated?
What experiment can we reproduce that shows how life originated?
Do you apply this standard to the formation of stars, planets, geology, or anything else that takes orders of magnitude longer than the span of a human life? While one cannot experimentally reproduce these things a theory that sufficiently explains them is practical knowledge. There is no such theory of abiogenesis.
Do you apply this standard to the formation of stars, planets, geology, or anything else that takes orders of magnitude longer than the span of a human life? While one cannot experimentally reproduce these things a theory that sufficiently explains them is practical knowledge. There is no such theory of abiogenesis.
Have to disagree. An explanation for some macro event isn't knowledge. A theory might be reasonable considering the starting assumptions. Some starting assumption are not too reasonable.
Still not science, that’s conjecture.
Conjecture, via hypothesis, is an essential aspect of science. It's literally where it all begins.
Origin of life, via Abiogenesis, panspermia, or God(s) did it, already covered before.
Again, time for thread to get back on track.
Have to disagree. An explanation for some macro event isn't knowledge. A theory might be reasonable considering the starting assumptions. Some starting assumption are not too reasonable.
"Practical knowledge" may have been a poor choice of phrase, nevertheless I believe there is a domain between total ignorance and personal observation of directly reproducible events.
Trusting of men?
LOL!!!
Didn't really say trust in men, but that since you believe that "rights" originated in the minds of men, that's the only place they can be anchored. There is nothing left. And since they're anchored in the minds of men, then it follows that they have the weight of men's opinions, they are just a preference. Those in power have shown quite a variance in preferences haven't they.
Business_Casual
12-05-20, 07:03
I don’t agree philosophically with Will, but I do agree with his notion on getting back on topic.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pentagon-admits-ufo-program-still-exists-navy-s-alien-sightings-ncna1235395
Predictive programming. Bonus points for anyone who finds an UAP article with the numbers 33 or 322 in it.
. . . . I do agree with his notion on getting back on topic..
Thank you.
I don’t agree philosophically with Will, but I do agree with his notion on getting back on topic.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pentagon-admits-ufo-program-still-exists-navy-s-alien-sightings-ncna1235395
Predictive programming. Bonus points for anyone who finds an UAP article with the numbers 33 or 322 in it.
Not sure where we differ philosophically but people who want to discuss/debate Abiogenesis, panspermia, or God(s) should start their own thread at this point.
SeriousStudent
12-05-20, 10:46
Personal attacks have no place here. I just banned somebody for it.
Knock that shit off.
OK, back to the UFO's. So far, and I'm not trying to be obtuse here, I haven't ever seen anything credible released, exposed, or shown by any organization (or individual) with any regard for truth to the masses, at least the way I understand truth. You've got some unexplained aerial phenomenon, emphasis on unexplained. With the extreme difficulty of traveling extreme distances in the galaxy, let alone between galaxies I don't see the need to believe there are ET's.
SeriousStudent
12-05-20, 11:16
Just based on numbers of stars and planets. I think there is almost a certainty that intelligent life exists elsewhere.
I have no idea if extraterrestrials have visited our planet. There are days I wish we saw more intelligent life in General Discussion. :cool:
Personal attacks have no place here. I just banned somebody for it.
Knock that shit off.
You were just faster because I was actually working. I've also cleaned up the banned individual's last few rude posts.
Averageman
12-05-20, 12:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TukvVnadRic
Pretty interesting, the story is the UFO landed in their playground, some of them were arms distance apart from the aliens.
OK, back to the UFO's. So far, and I'm not trying to be obtuse here, I haven't ever seen anything credible released, exposed, or shown by any organization (or individual) with any regard for truth to the masses, at least the way I understand truth. You've got some unexplained aerial phenomenon, emphasis on unexplained. With the extreme difficulty of traveling extreme distances in the galaxy, let alone between galaxies I don't see the need to believe there are ET's.
There was an extensive UFO thread where we debated that for many pages. This thread seemed unnecessary to me.
They are not explained, but also can't be explained away by obvious explanations.
There was an extensive UFO thread where we debated that for many pages. This thread seemed unnecessary to me.
They are not explained, but also can't be explained away by obvious explanations.
I just look at it as an unsolved mystery at this point. I do believe that people are seeing something, that the videos are real (although seeing video isn't exactly the same as being there). I do believe our senses are fallible. People are going to interpret these phenomena according to their fundamental assumptions about life, knowledge, and the nature of reality, pretty much like they do with everything. How far can we actually go with UFO's until one is actually laid hold of in a fashion that allows all of us to be confident that we're not being deceived?
Metric Matt
12-05-20, 13:53
This guy IMO is probably the most credible eye witness to date regarding UFOs. He was commander of an F-18 squadron at the time, and actually was ridiculed for what he reported. A guy like him has zero reason to make shit up or exaggerate what he saw. Whatever the truth is, it’s an extremely interesting story.
https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ
I just look at it as an unsolved mystery at this point. I do believe that people are seeing something, that the videos are real (although seeing video isn't exactly the same as being there). I do believe our senses are fallible. People are going to interpret these phenomena according to their fundamental assumptions about life, knowledge, and the nature of reality, pretty much like they do with everything. How far can we actually go with UFO's until one is actually laid hold of in a fashion that allows all of us to be confident that we're not being deceived?
Deceived how? Some kind of psych op event? I'm open to any explanation as equally possible if it holds up to basic credibility. The U in UFO remains to be sure, but what they are not is weather balloons, swamp gas, or birds and such. Some events so compelling we are left with without many viable explanations as to what they are and can't be dismissed.
This guy IMO is probably the most credible eye witness to date regarding UFOs. He was commander of an F-18 squadron at the time, and actually was ridiculed for what he reported. A guy like him has zero reason to make shit up or exaggerate what he saw. Whatever the truth is, it’s an extremely interesting story.
https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ
Been posted here at least 9,228,102 times here in several threads. I don't know why this thread was even started.
Metric Matt
12-05-20, 15:11
Been posted here at least 9,228,102 times here in several threads. I don't know why this thread was even started.
Sorry, I don’t frequent this forum that often. I posted it because maybe someone hasn’t seen it, and it’s quite compelling. I’ll do my best not to post repeated links, but quite frankly it shouldn’t matter to you.
Sorry, I don’t frequent this forum that often. I posted it because maybe someone hasn’t seen it, and it’s quite compelling. I’ll do my best not to post repeated links, but quite frankly it shouldn’t matter to you.
I didn't say it mattered to me, only that event has been discussed here ad nasum in the past. I doubt anyone who even casually follows the UFO thing not aware of that event by now. Guy who was essential to bringing that event to light, Luis Elizondo, and the best UFO investigative show by far, here if not awares:
https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation
Deceived how? Some kind of psych op event? I'm open to any explanation as equally possible if it holds up to basic credibility. The U in UFO remains to be sure, but what they are not is weather balloons, swamp gas, or birds and such. Some events so compelling we are left with without many viable explanations as to what they are and can't be dismissed.
Deceived in the sense that gov'ts, scientists, and media will concoct a narrative around the object to get us to believe what they want us to believe. I'm not proposing any current conspiracy, but all three of those entities can be pretty sketchy at times.
Deceived in the sense that gov'ts, scientists, and media will concoct a narrative around the object to get us to believe what they want us to believe. I'm not proposing any current conspiracy, but all three of those entities can be pretty sketchy at times.
Could some truth to that aspect too, I don't know, but there's way too many sightings, experiences, hard radar sightings by multiple sources simultaneously, etc, etc by none of those entities, to be explained by a single concocted narrative.
Business_Casual
12-05-20, 16:03
Been posted here at least 9,228,102 times here in several threads. I don't know why this thread was even started.
This thread isn’t about UAP per se, but rather the effort to program the public to accept disclosure that elements of our nation and/or other nations are in contact with non-earth intelligences. The effort will be to shape the narrative so that the public accepts the definition of these intelligences as they are presented and not how they would be perceived otherwise.
Again, Jacques Vallee and D. Pasulka are good starting points. If you refuse to read them and understand their assertions, you aren’t understanding this thread. Which, it appears most aren’t.
MountainRaven
12-05-20, 16:04
I think it is reasonably likely and in fact probable that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy and in the universe.
I think it is also reasonably unlikely and relatively improbable that unidentified aerial phenomena or UFOs, &c. are evidence of intelligent life from elsewhere in the galaxy or universe visiting our neighborhood.
Which isn’t to say that it’s impossible that there isn’t intelligent life in the galaxy or universe or that it’s impossible that UFOs and other phenomena are visitors from foreign planets, solar systems, galaxies, universe, or whatever. Not least of all because it seems like an awful long way to go and an awful lot of effort to exert just to buzz the primitives (i.e. us)
This thread isn’t about UAP per se, but rather the effort to program the public to accept disclosure that elements of our nation and/or other nations are in contact with non-earth intelligences. The effort will be to shape the narrative so that the public accepts the definition of these intelligences as they are presented and not how they would be perceived otherwise.
Again, Jacques Vallee and D. Pasulka are good starting points. If you refuse to read them and understand their assertions, you aren’t understanding this thread. Which, it appears most aren’t.
There's no evidence at all for that in the OP post, just group of unrelated articles, several which have been discussed at length elsewhere . If that was the intent topic of the OP, best spell it out I guess. I just saw a thread started that didn't seem to add anything prior lengthy threads didn't attempt to cover.
Could some truth to that aspect too, I don't know, but there's way too many sightings, experiences, hard radar sightings by multiple sources simultaneously, etc, etc by none of those entities, to be explained by a single concocted narrative.
I don't mean the sightings, I was meaning when they actually lay hands on an UFO, when they actually gain control of a "craft". Will they be truthful and open about it?
I don't mean the sightings, I was meaning when they actually lay hands on an UFO, when they actually gain control of a "craft". Will they be truthful and open about it?
Well, of course many are convinced they have had such things in their control for decades, and we know at the very least until just recently, refused to even acknowledge something we can't explain is in our airspace.
Business_Casual
12-05-20, 20:20
I don't mean the sightings, I was meaning when they actually lay hands on an UFO, when they actually gain control of a "craft". Will they be truthful and open about it?
Some of the theories these researchers explore deal with manifesting the craft via our belief in them. In other words they aren’t real until we believe they are real. I do suggest you read the authors I mentioned as well as John Keel “Operation Trojan Horse.”
Mountain raven no offense but you are not in the ball park.
Blankstrap
12-05-20, 21:07
Some of the theories these researchers explore deal with manifesting the craft via our belief in them. In other words they aren’t real until we believe they are real. I do suggest you read the authors I mentioned as well as John Keel “Operation Trojan Horse.”
Mountain raven no offense but you are not in the ball park.Keel absolutely asserts that these are objectively real phenomena; he came to believe that they're terrestrial or co-dimensional, highly advanced either in technology or ability to manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum (or both), and a single "something" through the ages that is able to manifest itself in different forms deliberately intended to mirror human conceptual paradigms of given places and times.
MountainRaven
12-05-20, 22:52
Mountain raven no offense but you are not in the ball park.
I mean... you're welcome to believe what you want, but you've got no evidence.
Business_Casual
12-06-20, 07:00
Keel absolutely asserts that these are objectively real phenomena; he came to believe that they're terrestrial or co-dimensional, highly advanced either in technology or ability to manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum (or both), and a single "something" through the ages that is able to manifest itself in different forms deliberately intended to mirror human conceptual paradigms of given places and times.
I think that’s part of it, but makes more sense to me when you layer on top the concepts that only certain people can see the phenomena and/or they need to believe what they are seeing is real in order for it to fully manifest. Those concepts came after Keel. My point in citing him is that it is impossible for physical space craft to travel interstellar distances and highly unlikely for beings with the technology to use space/time warping to visit a planet where the advanced residents use their time to put on a bikini and make Tik Tok videos.
Some of the theories these researchers explore deal with manifesting the craft via our belief in them. In other words they aren’t real until we believe they are real. I do suggest you read the authors I mentioned as well as John Keel “Operation Trojan Horse.”
Mountain raven no offense but you are not in the ball park.
Many non believers became believers after seeing them however. Friend of mine worked for a major airline said he was a non believer until one sat over the airport one day and everyone saw it and it registered on the radar. It did the classic UFO thing, sat there dead stationary, then took off at speed they couldn't even calculate. I know an SOF guy who was deep in the desert in Iraq on a mission who said he thought it was all nonsense, until he and the team looked up saw a huge triangle black out the moon as it slowly and in total silence pass over them, and so forth. That hypothesis make little sense to me.
If the hypotheses is that they're some how intertwined with our consciousness and manifest fully once we believe, that's very interesting to be sure, but it's pure WAG at best. I suppose that would make them more inter dimensional perhaps. I like the thoery they're inter dimensional travelers, or possibly time and inter dimensional.
Business_Casual
12-06-20, 09:08
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIayb_BhPol/?igshid=1is2rdk1jck8h
SeriousStudent
12-06-20, 10:58
You were just faster because I was actually working. I've also cleaned up the banned individual's last few rude posts.
Yeah, anybody that interferes with my day-drinking is getting voted off the island.
Thanks for pruning the posts, amigo.
Grand58742
12-07-20, 18:28
Well, there is this:
https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405
This "Galactic Federation" has supposedly been in contact with Israel and the US for years, but are keeping themselves a secret to prevent hysteria until humanity is ready.
The 87-year-old former space security chief gave further descriptions about exactly what sort of agreements have been made between the aliens and the US, which ostensibly have been made because they wish to research and understand "the fabric of the universe." This cooperation includes a secret underground base on Mars, where there are American and alien representatives.
The Jerusalem Post was unable to reach out to this supposed Galactic Federation for comment.
I'm not sure of the veracity of this. I feel like if an advanced alien civilization (or Federation) as to see the way we've been acting as of late, they'd glass the planet from orbit.
Grand58742
12-07-20, 18:31
I wonder of the Galactic Federation has a news agency that treats Earth like we do Florida Man?
Well, there is this:
https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405
I'm not sure of the veracity of this. I feel like if an advanced alien civilization (or Federation) as to see the way we've been acting as of late, they'd glass the planet from orbit.
Wow, how is this guy still walking around? Letting out the whopper, I mean mother of all secrets. He should go into hiding immediately before he gets black bagged.
It's a good thing they didn't throw the net over him 5 yrs ago so we can learn about "space and spaceships" right from the aliens themselves.
Wow, how is this guy still walking around? Letting out the whopper, I mean mother of all secrets. He should go into hiding immediately before he gets black bagged.
I don't know what to think about the "Galactic Federation" story. Sounds like something you'd read in one of those supermarket checkout rags which featured the escapades of Bat Boy.
I've been a lot of places, seen a lot of stuff, but in my nearly 61 years I have only seen two things which makes me ponder about E.T. and the like. I mentioned here before about the cow mutilation incident in Harding County north of here. I won't rehash that story.
The second incident was some years back on the Navajo Reservation in Arizona. The remote back county of that area has had all kinds of over flights by the B1 Bomber and B2 over the years. It makes sense to do low level flights over very remote areas with a backwater native population. Nobody gets worked up about it and nobody had a landline to make a phone call to report it.
Anyway, my UFO story. I was traveling with a friend of mine around 2am on US 191 north from Rock Point, Arizona. We were about half way between Rock Point and the junction with US 160 heading north. Look it up on GOOGLE earth satellite view. It was a cold and clear Winter night - no clouds at all. I was driving and off to the left (West/Southwest) I saw a clear white light moving around, kind of jumping around. We stopped the truck and got out and watched this thing. It's flat country going to the west and slopes down in altitude. The white light was at about 30 degrees off ground level and moving left to right, then back right to left. But it wouldn't slow down to take the opposite direction -not even stop. Then the light started getting bigger and brighter like it was moving in our direction, the reversed getting smaller. There was no sound whatsoever. We watched this for around ten minutes, then it just got smaller and fainter like it was moving away at high speed and just disappeared. I was trying to estimate altitude for it, but I had no idea how far away it was, so all I had was that approximate 30 degrees elevation from where I was standing.
Before we got out of the truck, I was thinking it was a helicopter with a spotlight looking for some fugitive, perhaps some LE action going on out there. This light was not attached to any type of aircraft I was familiar with. To this day I still wonder what we saw that cold Winter night on the Navajo Reservation. That area is so far out you are hard pressed to see an electric light of any kind for miles.
I don't know what to think about the "Galactic Federation" story. Sounds like something you'd read in one of those supermarket checkout rags which featured the escapades of Bat Boy.
I've been a lot of places, seen a lot of stuff, but in my nearly 61 years I have only seen two things which makes me ponder about E.T. and the like. I mentioned here before about the cow mutilation incident in Harding County north of here. I won't rehash that story.
The second incident was some years back on the Navajo Reservation in Arizona. The remote back county of that area has had all kinds of over flights by the B1 Bomber and B2 over the years. It makes sense to do low level flights over very remote areas with a backwater native population. Nobody gets worked up about it and nobody had a landline to make a phone call to report it.
Anyway, my UFO story. I was traveling with a friend of mine around 2am on US 191 north from Rock Point, Arizona. We were about half way between Rock Point and the junction with US 160 heading north. Look it up on GOOGLE earth satellite view. It was a cold and clear Winter night - no clouds at all. I was driving and off to the left (West/Southwest) I saw a clear white light moving around, kind of jumping around. We stopped the truck and got out and watched this thing. It's flat country going to the west and slopes down in altitude. The white light was at about 30 degrees off ground level and moving left to right, then back right to left. But it wouldn't slow down to take the opposite direction -not even stop. Then the light started getting bigger and brighter like it was moving in our direction, the reversed getting smaller. There was no sound whatsoever. We watched this for around ten minutes, then it just got smaller and fainter like it was moving away at high speed and just disappeared. I was trying to estimate altitude for it, but I had no idea how far away it was, so all I had was that approximate 30 degrees elevation from where I was standing.
Before we got out of the truck, I was thinking it was a helicopter with a spotlight looking for some fugitive, perhaps some LE action going on out there. This light was not attached to any type of aircraft I was familiar with. To this day I still wonder what we saw that cold Winter night on the Navajo Reservation. That area is so far out you are hard pressed to see an electric light of any kind for miles.
"Galactic Federation" is just the English translation of some unpronounceable alien language. I'm sure they have a much less Saturday cartoonish name for their org. It will be really interesting to learn who all is in the "Federation". I wonder if the aliens have watched Star Trek at all.
Interesting story. I would tend to give it a terrestrial explanation, what I'm not sure, but that's what I tend towards. I just wonder why aliens would run lights and not run blacled out?
"Galactic Federation" is just the English translation of some unpronounceable alien language. I'm sure they have a much less Saturday cartoonish name for their org. It will be really interesting to learn who all is in the "Federation". I wonder if the aliens have watched Star Trek at all.
Interesting story. I would tend to give it a terrestrial explanation, what I'm not sure, but that's what I tend towards. I just wonder why aliens would run lights and not run blacked out?
Lots of UFO stories and footage of lights. What had me fascinated was the flight dynamics of these lights. Sudden changes of direction with no slowing down. In the past few years of revelations from the Navy F14 pilots, they described similar flight dynamics of the tic tac dropping 30,000 feet in 2 seconds with a sudden stop at sea level - again no braking action. And then some kind of sub surface disturbance like the tic tac was interacting with something in the ocean. This stuff coming out now made what I saw out in northeastern Arizona more curious, with similarities.
I don't know what's going on, but if they want to make contact, I hope they leave my cattle alone and demonstrate polite behavior if they come knocking.
Straight Shooter
12-08-20, 02:04
Lots of UFO stories and footage of lights. What had me fascinated was the flight dynamics of these lights. Sudden changes of direction with no slowing down. In the past few years of revelations from the Navy F14 pilots, they described similar flight dynamics of the tic tac dropping 30,000 feet in 2 seconds with a sudden stop at sea level - again no braking action. And then some kind of sub surface disturbance like the tic tac was interacting with something in the ocean. This stuff coming out now made what I saw out in northeastern Arizona more curious, with similarities.
I don't know what's going on, but if they want to make contact, I hope they leave my cattle alone and demonstrate polite behavior if they come knocking.
OH58D-
Out of curiousity..have you or any fellow ranchers ever had any cattle mutilations, as has been reported over the years?
What do you make of those?
OH58D-
Out of curiousity..have you or any fellow ranchers ever had any cattle mutilations, as has been reported over the years?
What do you make of those?
He has I recall. He discussed that in the other ongoing UFO thread that exists.
OH58D-
Out of curiousity..have you or any fellow ranchers ever had any cattle mutilations, as has been reported over the years?
What do you make of those?
I shared about the one cattle mutilation I saw, but in the county north of here. I'm on the Sheriff's posse, but I am used for mounted mountain rescue and fugitive tracking. It was a call for me to come to a rancher's place in Harding County, out by the Kiowa Grasslands. The beast was found west of the rancher's house but out of sight. It was lying on it's side with a circular/oval type of cut. No blood on the ground and no tracks of any kind to it's location. Like it had been picked up and carried to that spot, then gently set down - not dropped. The ground was semi-moist so the beast's tracks would have been seen in the ground. No evidence of it walking to where it was found nor vehicle tracks other than ours going out there, The rancher heard nothing nor saw anything out of the ordinary prior to finding the cow. State Police and Harding County deputies took a lot of pictures of the scene.
I have no idea how that cow mutilation took place. Certainly a lot of work to make all that happen, and for what purpose?
Business_Casual
12-08-20, 10:10
I don’t think the mutilations are related for obvious reasons like the intelligences are and have been here for millennia.
On the big triangle ship, I think that is probably skunk works surveillance craft as they are usually spotted around bases and in the case mentioned, an active war zone.
I shared about the one cattle mutilation I saw, but in the county north of here. I'm on the Sheriff's posse, but I am used for mounted mountain rescue and fugitive tracking. It was a call for me to come to a rancher's place in Harding County, out by the Kiowa Grasslands. The beast was found west of the rancher's house but out of sight. It was lying on it's side with a circular/oval type of cut. No blood on the ground and no tracks of any kind to it's location. Like it had been picked up and carried to that spot, then gently set down - not dropped. The ground was semi-moist so the beast's tracks would have been seen in the ground. No evidence of it walking to where it was found nor vehicle tracks other than ours going out there, The rancher heard nothing nor saw anything out of the ordinary prior to finding the cow. State Police and Harding County deputies took a lot of pictures of the scene.
I have no idea how that cow mutilation took place. Certainly a lot of work to make all that happen, and for what purpose?
Since all that started, not a single person has been caught. By all accounts it's done in another location, and the animal placed in the location, vs simply dropped as you point out. Why/who/how remains a complete mystery. None of that makes sense and no one could or would go through that much trouble for a hoax, unlike say faking crop circles and such.
I don’t think the mutilations are related for obvious reasons like the intelligences are and have been here for millennia.
On the big triangle ship, I think that is probably skunk works surveillance craft as they are usually spotted around bases and in the case mentioned, an active war zone.
Using tech they reverse engineered from crashed UFO's is one theory. The tech to do that is well beyond anything we have according to any SME it's discussed with. Dead silent, no obvious source of propulsion, etc. However, has anyone looked to see if the triangle shape pre dates SW or similar? The disc and cigar shape we know pre date all of it.
However, has anyone looked to see if the triangle shape pre dates SW or similar? The disc and cigar shape we know pre date all of it.
I don't follow this stuff and I did not check the sources but Wikipedia has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg
According to the broadsheet, around dawn on April 14, 1561, residents of Nuremberg saw what they described as an aerial battle, followed by the appearance of a large black triangular object and then a large crash outside of the city. The broadsheet claims that witnesses observed hundreds of spheres, cylinders and other odd-shaped objects that moved erratically overhead.
Business_Casual
12-08-20, 16:53
Using tech they reverse engineered from crashed UFO's is one theory. The tech to do that is well beyond anything we have according to any SME it's discussed with. Dead silent, no obvious source of propulsion, etc. However, has anyone looked to see if the triangle shape pre dates SW or similar? The disc and cigar shape we know pre date all of it.
Could be Nazi anti-gravity technology for all I know!
Could be Nazi anti-gravity technology for all I know!
There were strong rumors they had such tech, if they had it functioning, they would have used it to kick our a$$. We know UFO's were reported regularly by pilots on both sides.
rdcwannabe
12-09-20, 11:21
I think it is reasonably likely and in fact probable that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy and in the universe.
I think it is also reasonably unlikely and relatively improbable that unidentified aerial phenomena or UFOs, &c. are evidence of intelligent life from elsewhere in the galaxy or universe visiting our neighborhood.
Which isn’t to say that it’s impossible that there isn’t intelligent life in the galaxy or universe or that it’s impossible that UFOs and other phenomena are visitors from foreign planets, solar systems, galaxies, universe, or whatever. Not least of all because it seems like an awful long way to go and an awful lot of effort to exert just to buzz the primitives (i.e. us)
I'm still debating whether or not there's intelligent life on this planet.
I don’t think we are alone.. that being said a lot of what is observed is our air crafts that is still highly classified. In 20 plus years you will look back and see the correlation. A good example was in the late 80s early 90s lots of black triangular crafts were observed at night and everyone said it must be alien. Of course, we now understand that was B2 Stealth Bomber.
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I don’t think we are alone.. that being said a lot of what is observed is our air crafts that is still highly classified. In 20 plus years you will look back and see the correlation. A good example was in the late 80s early 90s lots of black triangular crafts were observed at night and everyone said it must be alien. Of course, we now understand that was B2 Stealth Bomber.
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All well and good but they have been reported since WWII regularly by pilots, and well before that. If we have anything that can perform in the ways being seen visually ans via multi radar tracking, etc, it's not advanced tech, it's re writing the laws of physics as we currently understand them.
Some theorize of it is our tech reversed engineered and so forth. While the U in UFO remains, I don't tend to think it's just advanced mil tech either. This was not uncommon:
https://www.history.com/news/wwii-ufos-allied-airmen-orange-lights-foo-fighters
Adrenaline_6
12-10-20, 08:51
There were strong rumors they had such tech, if they had it functioning, they would have used it to kick our a$$. We know UFO's were reported regularly by pilots on both sides.
Having the tech and being able to apply said tech functionally are two totally separate affairs though.
Adrenaline_6
12-10-20, 08:51
*website is hiccupping*
MountainRaven
12-10-20, 15:35
I'm still debating whether or not there's intelligent life on this planet.
I share this concern.
just a scout
12-10-20, 16:36
I don’t think we are alone.. that being said a lot of what is observed is our air crafts that is still highly classified. In 20 plus years you will look back and see the correlation. A good example was in the late 80s early 90s lots of black triangular crafts were observed at night and everyone said it must be alien. Of course, we now understand that was B2 Stealth Bomber.
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My ass. It wasn’t a B2 that overflew us in Desert Storm.
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My ass. It wasn’t a B2 that overflew us in Desert Storm.
It could have been me. At least one unit I overflew in Desert Storm was the 3rd ACR and they certainly had Scouts. Did it look like an AH-6 Little Bird?
just a scout
12-10-20, 17:30
It could have been me. At least one unit I overflew in Desert Storm was the 3rd ACR and they certainly had Scouts. Did it look like an AH-6 Little Bird?
No. It’s 2ACR and it was a big black triangle with a white light at each corner. Not a boomerang, not a little bird, not a B2. Just a really big, black, quiet triangle.
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No. It’s 2ACR and it was a big black triangle with a white light at each corner. Not a boomerang, not a little bird, not a B2. Just a really big, black, quiet triangle.
Never saw that but I was further west from you flying ahead and west of the 24th Infantry DIV in phase one, in operations just outside of As Salman, Iraq.
This big triangle, which direction was it moving?
Straight Shooter
12-10-20, 19:06
I just dont get some things: "They" want to remain unknown...yet fly around lit up and easy to see. They mutilate cattle..only cattle it seems..then leave the carcass' to be found. They couldnt raise cattle in secret someplace? Of all the cellphones & cameras in the world now- we still cant get decent pics of something conclusive? Also- of everyone who supposedly "knows" about these things, not one credible person has come forward with positive proof?
Back in the mid & late nineties when I was an OTR truck driver, I cant count the miles driven listening to Art Bell. Kept me awake many many nights while driving. Ive heard all the people who supposedly "know" this or that...I heard for years we were about to get "full disclosure"..that this or that was coming, blah blah. I knew then most of that stuff was malarkey....NONE of it has come true 20 + years later.
I am definately open to the idea there could be intelligent life elsewhere. Im almost sure there are forms of life like microscopic, or maybe even plants or some type of animal. But I do not believe we have ben visited, much less are in some sort of "Federation" or what not.
I saw A LOT myself while driving. Two or three things I still wonder about to this day. But I dont automatically chalk up all mysteries as something they arent, they are just things I saw that I didnt have time to investigate further, I might could have found an answer for them.
Id love to see, for MY education and not as a smart-assed dare or something, everyone who is 100% sure of ET's, your ONE, SINGLE, BEST piece of evidence..just one, that might sway me to believe. Im open minded about it, but just not there yet.
just a scout
12-10-20, 19:27
Loong time ago. I think I remember northward. We were set up near Al Safwan while they were working on the surrender along the rail line.
Never saw that but I was further west from you flying ahead and west of the 24th Infantry DIV in phase one, in operations just outside of As Salman, Iraq.
This big triangle, which direction was it moving?
Straight Shooter, I have only seen two events which I don't understand - the incident with lights defying normal flight dynamics/gravity in Arizona and the cow mutilation in the County to my north. This latter event is mind boggling. The owner of that ranch is not a sophisticated enough fellow to pull this off, and the extreme rural nature of the location makes no sense if you're wanting to show off your handiwork to the general population.
None of it makes sense unless we are part of some big experiment by beings off-world. I used to think the cattle mutilations were Satan Worshipers, but the logistics and equipment involved would be prohibitive by people dancing naked around candle-lit pentagrams.
Maybe the Beatles were onto something with the LSD induced "Strawberry Fields" in 1967:
Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever
Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone
But it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me
Adrenaline_6
12-10-20, 20:13
Think about it though. If we had the ability to space travel great distances in short time and we found a planet with strange primitive life on it and wanted to observe some species. What would be the logical way to do it? Take a few and breed them. Then study them however you want. Not mutilate them and leave weird crap all over the place. Come on.
P2Vaircrewman
12-10-20, 21:10
I am agnostic when it comes to UFO's and have never seen anything unexplainable but a recurring dream I have had over the years is the sky becomes a strange array of colors and shapes are flying around. Intriguing and mildly frightening. Could it be in the human past certain events are embedded in our DNA and exhibit themselves in our dreams.
I am agnostic when it comes to UFO's and have never seen anything unexplainable but a recurring dream I have had over the years is the sky becomes a strange array of colors and shapes are flying around. Intriguing and mildly frightening. Could it be in the human past certain events are embedded in our DNA and exhibit themselves in our dreams.
Some call it genetic memory. What some think are incidents of deja vu could be something passed down to us from ancestors in our DNA. I had one such incident when I traveled to Castille, Spain to see where my male ancestor was born in 1598 and traveled to the new world as a Spanish soldier, arriving in New Mexico in 1622. I didn't know where to look in that village, but I kept being drawn to a non-descript old stone house on the east end of that village. Turns out to the the house where my ancestor lived as a young man, and was born in another on a hill that is now a ruin a short distance away. Never been there before but it seemed familiar. I can't explain it any other way.
Straight Shooter
12-11-20, 07:57
Straight Shooter, I have only seen two events which I don't understand - the incident with lights defying normal flight dynamics/gravity in Arizona and the cow mutilation in the County to my north. This latter event is mind boggling. The owner of that ranch is not a sophisticated enough fellow to pull this off, and the extreme rural nature of the location makes no sense if you're wanting to show off your handiwork to the general population.
None of it makes sense unless we are part of some big experiment by beings off-world. I used to think the cattle mutilations were Satan Worshipers, but the logistics and equipment involved would be prohibitive by people dancing naked around candle-lit pentagrams.
Maybe the Beatles were onto something with the LSD induced "Strawberry Fields" in 1967:
Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever
Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone
But it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me
Please know I absolutely believe you. As I said, I too have had some weird stuff occur.
After thinking on this at work last night, trying to verbalize what I believe, here it is:
I totally believe we have..for lack of a better word/description...layers..of government.
I also believe that the layer we see & hear about daily..the POTUS/SCOTUS/Congress...is the weakest of all the layers.
There IS a Deep State. And a Deeper State..and most likely an even Deepest State. There are layers that dont nor wont ever answer to POTUS or anyone else. they do anything & everything they want. It is within one of those layers, that we have built technology that the other layers know nothing about. And it was probably done in collusion with and agreement with enemies of this nation, as it would be way to costly to do alone without questions arising over funds. Thus, the Navy Fighter jet video, for example..I believe thats tech that the Deep State developed, and was testing to see if it could fool our own military. If it can fool us..it can fool anyone. I believe our enemies have access to the same tech, to keep things "even" so to speak.
I believe the CIA to be a demonicaly run organization..not at all with Americas best interest at heart. FBI/ATF/IRS ect. too. I quarantee yall they dont answer to ANYONE, really, not even whtever puppet they have as a showpiece in the "Directors" chair.
So, thats my opinion. I know, I know, some of yall cant type fast enough to tell me how looney/wrong/crazy ect. I am.
I truly could NOT care less.
No. It’s 2ACR and it was a big black triangle with a white light at each corner. Not a boomerang, not a little bird, not a B2. Just a really big, black, quiet triangle.
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That's wild. I mentioned someone I knew in this thread who had the same experience in that same desert same conflict. He was SF. Said he'd never given UFO's a thought one way or another until a huge triangle shaped craft went over him and his team, dead silent, moving slowly. Was that your experience?
I just dont get some things: "They" want to remain unknown...yet fly around lit up and easy to see. They mutilate cattle..only cattle it seems..then leave the carcass' to be found. They couldnt raise cattle in secret someplace? Of all the cellphones & cameras in the world now- we still cant get decent pics of something conclusive? Also- of everyone who supposedly "knows" about these things, not one credible person has come forward with positive proof?
Back in the mid & late nineties when I was an OTR truck driver, I cant count the miles driven listening to Art Bell. Kept me awake many many nights while driving. Ive heard all the people who supposedly "know" this or that...I heard for years we were about to get "full disclosure"..that this or that was coming, blah blah. I knew then most of that stuff was malarkey....NONE of it has come true 20 + years later.
I am definately open to the idea there could be intelligent life elsewhere. Im almost sure there are forms of life like microscopic, or maybe even plants or some type of animal. But I do not believe we have ben visited, much less are in some sort of "Federation" or what not.
I saw A LOT myself while driving. Two or three things I still wonder about to this day. But I dont automatically chalk up all mysteries as something they arent, they are just things I saw that I didnt have time to investigate further, I might could have found an answer for them.
Id love to see, for MY education and not as a smart-assed dare or something, everyone who is 100% sure of ET's, your ONE, SINGLE, BEST piece of evidence..just one, that might sway me to believe. Im open minded about it, but just not there yet.
We don't actually know "they" are related to UFOs and none of it makes sense. Like they how many tests do they need to run on the cows? What are they looking for? etc etc...
Think about it though. If we had the ability to space travel great distances in short time and we found a planet with strange primitive life on it and wanted to observe some species. What would be the logical way to do it? Take a few and breed them. Then study them however you want. Not mutilate them and leave weird crap all over the place. Come on.
No one is claiming it makes any sense and of course it's assumed that stuff connected to UFO's. For all we know two totally separate phenomena. Some think it's some sort of cult ritual but it's way too sophisticated to be that simple.
P2Vaircrewman
12-11-20, 13:10
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/05/cattle-mutilations-the-government-files/
just a scout
12-11-20, 15:10
That's wild. I mentioned someone I knew in this thread who had the same experience in that same desert same conflict. He was SF. Said he'd never given UFO's a thought one way or another until a huge triangle shaped craft went over him and his team, dead silent, moving slowly. Was that your experience?
Pretty much. And “It never happened. You didn’t see anything.”
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Pretty much. And “It never happened. You didn’t see anything.”
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So there you go. You know they are real. What they are retains the U in UFO. He said they didn't even bother reporting it due to fear they'd be pulled off the job. Back then, even admitting to having seen such a thing was a career killer apparently
I just dont get some things: "They" want to remain unknown...yet fly around lit up and easy to see. They mutilate cattle..only cattle it seems..then leave the carcass' to be found. They couldnt raise cattle in secret someplace?
Could be clandestine monitoring of radiation, a toxin, or a pathogen in the wild.
just a scout
12-11-20, 18:44
So there you go. You know they are real. What they are retains the U in UFO. He said they didn't even bother reporting it due to fear they'd be pulled off the job. Back then, even admitting to having seen such a thing was a career killer apparently
No, it was a discussion with nice gentlemen in Ray-Bans and sterile BDUs.
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No, it was a discussion with nice gentlemen in Ray-Bans and sterile BDUs.
Better then the men in black showing up at least, or so i hear.
just a scout
12-12-20, 13:01
Better then the men in black showing up at least, or so i hear.
There’s no difference.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
12-13-20, 01:17
I was on a commercial flight from the midwest to Las Vegas or SoCal in the late 2000s. Clear day flight, had a window seat on the right/north side of the plane. I usually sit aisle, but I had an upgrade to 1st so I was given window and had a clear view. I like looking outside in cars and planes. I don't know were we were, but is was scrubby with scrub trees, really arid, probably over Southern Utah(?) and I looked down and saw what looked like an oblong sphere right the deck. It seemed to be right near the ground, travelling in a straight line. Seemed like the 20-25 feet long and 10 wide, maybe smaller. It was booking. It was going obliqly away from us more parallel than anything. I just watched it thinking maybe it was following a trail that I couldn't percieve since it was going fast and straight. THe flat terrain was ending a fairly large wash was coming up, so I watched to see what happened. It just kept going, it wasn't on the ground, but was close. Midday sun and position didn't leave much shadow. It just kept going in a straight line. It as going slightly away and was slower than us, so I lost sight of it.
My first thought was something like a Cessna down low in the dirt, but it didn't have wings or a tail. That is why I thought it might be a dirt-buggy or something like that- but the small canyon/wash it won't over and flew didn't pause it at all.
Didn't really think about it, just assumed it was some secret-squirrel AF stuff. That was until the recent tick-tack reports came out. That is about what I'd say I saw. But there was only one of them.
P2Vaircrewman
12-14-20, 20:45
We have an agreement with the Federation.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-135211193.html?ncid=dcm_23910565_286667080_473553414_136036780
SeriousStudent
12-14-20, 22:23
We have an agreement with the Federation.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-135211193.html?ncid=dcm_23910565_286667080_473553414_136036780
And the secret reactor they run is fueled by all the socks that go missing from my clothes dryer....
It's all making perfect sense to me now.
Grand58742
12-22-20, 08:22
Perhaps something is closer than we think?
https://www.space.com/proxima-centauri-mystery-radio-beam
Astronomers hunting for radio signals from alien civilizations have detected an "intriguing signal" from the direction of Proxima Centauri, the nearest star system to the sun, The Guardian reported.
The researchers are still preparing a paper on the discovery, and the data has not been made public, according to The Guardian. But the signal is reportedly a narrow beam of 980 MHz radio waves detected in April and May 2019 at the Parkes telescope in Australia. The Parkes telescope is part of the $100 million Breakthrough Listen project to hunt for radio signals from technological sources beyond the solar system. The 980 MHz signal appeared once and was never detected again. That frequency is important because, as Scientific American points out, that band of radio waves is typically lacking signals from human-made craft and satellites.
Penn State University's Sofia Sheikh, who led the analysis of the signal for Breakthrough Listen, voiced her excitement about it: "It's the most exciting signal that we've found in the Breakthrough Listen project, because we haven't had a signal jump through this many of our filters before," Sheikh told Scientific American, adding that the signal is now being referred to as Breakthrough Listen Candidate 1, or BLC1.
A couple of videos on it basically saying what it could be and being cautious about the discovery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7h-Mgzk7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD-_J6Wq2Kg
Grand58742
12-22-20, 08:38
Of course, conspiracy theorists are going nuts trying to connect the Arecibo destruction to "the Man" trying to keep knowledge of this signal from getting out. Not even realizing Arecibo really isn't the best radio telescope to listen in on this intriguing signal. Basically, Arecibo was within "listening" distance of Proxima Centauri, but just barely since the inclination in relation to Earth makes it easier to see from the Southern Hemisphere.
They'd have to destroy a lot more radio telescopes in Australia and South America before they managed to suppress the capability to study this signal.
Anyway, likely a false alarm, but very interesting with the blue shift spoken about in the videos. I don't entirely understand the science behind it, but the first video in the link above explains it sufficiently.
Of course, conspiracy theorists are going nuts trying to connect the Arecibo destruction to "the Man" trying to keep knowledge of this signal from getting out. Not even realizing Arecibo really isn't the best radio telescope to listen in on this intriguing signal. Basically, Arecibo was within "listening" distance of Proxima Centauri, but just barely since the inclination in relation to Earth makes it easier to see from the Southern Hemisphere.
They'd have to destroy a lot more radio telescopes in Australia and South America before they managed to suppress the capability to study this signal.
Anyway, likely a false alarm, but very interesting with the blue shift spoken about in the videos. I don't entirely understand the science behind it, but the first video in the link above explains it sufficiently.
Facts and reality are not a strong point of conspiracy types as a rule.
Business_Casual
12-30-20, 10:27
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/covid-19-bill-180-day-countdown-ufo-disclosures.amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/covid-19-bill-180-day-countdown-ufo-disclosures.amp
Chit just got weird. Believe when I see it.
Wow. That is interesting but I doubt they will release any bombshells.
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Grand58742
12-30-20, 12:49
Chit just got weird. Believe when I see it.
Bruh, would anything be less surprising in 2020?
I don’t always trust the government, but when I do I definitely trust them about aliens...
Straight Shooter
12-30-20, 14:31
64722
Grand58742
12-30-20, 15:00
64722
Hopefully, spelling returns in 2021.
Of course, conspiracy theorists are going nuts trying to connect the Arecibo destruction to "the Man" trying to keep knowledge of this signal from getting out. Not even realizing Arecibo really isn't the best radio telescope to listen in on this intriguing signal. Basically, Arecibo was within "listening" distance of Proxima Centauri, but just barely since the inclination in relation to Earth makes it easier to see from the Southern Hemisphere.
They'd have to destroy a lot more radio telescopes in Australia and South America before they managed to suppress the capability to study this signal.
Anyway, likely a false alarm, but very interesting with the blue shift spoken about in the videos. I don't entirely understand the science behind it, but the first video in the link above explains it sufficiently.
And how likely is it that a alien civilization would bother with radio signals. We didn't know they were there until a little over 100 years ago and we've almost abandoned them. Think about the phonograph technology we sent out on voyager and the limited space of time it's taken to make it near obsolete. We always think our current tech "tv, radio, analog, digital, etc." will be compatible with civilizations that might be thousands or millions of years more advanced than us.
Who knows if they even use language in the sense that we understand it. Who knows if they are visually oriented the way humans are, if they find voyager one day they might not even recognize it as a form of technology let alone be able to use the visual instructions or even hear "The Sounds of Earth." But more likely, they probably function in a way that we cannot even conceive, let alone detect and understand.
Imagine if some alien civilization beamed radio information to us 1,000 years ago. Even if they beamed it directly at us hoping for a reply, it wouldn't have mattered. We might be in the middle of an information cloud from all directions right now but we lack the technology to even recognize any of it.
People can easily imagine the wondrous idea of many things, but when it comes down to how the actual technology might not exist and the forms of alien communication that are most likely, they can only imagine our technology of the last 20 years with a bit of turbo thrust and assume it will somehow be universal.
And how likely is it that a alien civilization would bother with radio signals. We didn't know they were there until a little over 100 years ago and we've almost abandoned them. Think about the phonograph technology we sent out on voyager and the limited space of time it's taken to make it near obsolete. We always think our current tech "tv, radio, analog, digital, etc." will be compatible with civilizations that might be thousands or millions of years more advanced than us.
Maybe intelligent life is more than just carbon based entities? We keep looking for "Goldilocks Zone" planets which could support complex amino acids and all the building blocks of life. Maybe there are other kinds of intelligent life we can't comprehend yet? Who knows what this latest radio signal is except it took a little over 4 years to get here. Proxima Centauri has two known planets, but does the radio signal have to come from a planet, or just the vicinity of the star system? Maybe this stuff called "Dark Matter" is intelligent life?
Maybe intelligent life is more than just carbon based entities? We keep looking for "Goldilocks Zone" planets which could support complex amino acids and all the building blocks of life. Maybe there are other kinds of intelligent life we can't comprehend yet? Who knows what this latest radio signal is except it took a little over 4 years to get here. Proxima Centauri has two known planets, but does the radio signal have to come from a planet, or just the vicinity of the star system? Maybe this stuff called "Dark Matter" is intelligent life?
Exactly.
We keep applying humancentric ideas of life and technology to the universe and have an incredible level of narcissism that assumes life elsewhere in the universe even notices us or finds us interesting enough to visit or worse devote their time teaching us about pyramids, GPS and stealth technology. We always assume "they" or "their technology" is similar to ours but just more advanced.
If we ever did find an alien civilization I doubt we could comprehend it with any greater understanding than a 10,000 year old homo sapiens sapiens would understand anything if he was walking through Manhattan today and we are the same species.
It is terribly ironic that those most interested in this subject tend to approach it from the least realistic assumptions. For all we know we have been visited a million times and we literally never even noticed.
Even with all the challenges (and people really need to read "Rare Earth" for a more practical understanding of the Drake Equation), it is still mathematically unlikely that life doesn't exist everywhere in the universe that it can be supported and it is about as unlikely that we are the ONLY intelligent species to ever exist. We are on the verge of machine sentience (maybe not in our lifetime, but in the life of the planet it's probably next) so the idea that organic life wouldn't achieve it elsewhere (even though it may not be any kind of biological imperative) is very, very unlikely.
And this is all assuming we know the actual age of the entire universe, which is probably a reach because we can only see the visible universe and if there is anything beyond that then OBVIOUSLY things are much older on a scale we probably couldn't wrap our brains around. If things like "membrane" are true, then we are nothing more than a temporary bubble universe in a sea of foam that is more vast and ancient than anything we could possibly understand and the reality of everything may be more bizarre and vast than even that.
We also have an incredibly limited knowledge of things like Proxima Centuri. How many new moons do we keep finding in our solar system? And we think we know what is going on in a neighbor system four light years away? Even with wobbles and transient light methods PC could have two dozen planets and we might never know it because we can't directly observe them with our current technology.
About the only thing that remains constant in our discoveries is how little we actually understand and how many times we have been wrong in previous assumptions. Each new discovery seems to destroy rather than validate previous ideas that have been proposed about things beyond our direct observation.
I was a product of the Star Trek generation of the 1960's. It was a show that caused you to ask questions. One episode involved a form of life that was mineral based (a rock creature). That was cool because it offered up the hypothesis that life could be in another form and makeup.
In the recent video releases of the "tic-tac" interaction with the F14 Tomcats over the Pacific Ocean, or that fast moving thing that a tracking lock was attempted off the east coast of the US. The thing was moving from right to left at high speed and only did they get a tracking lock on it after some effort. I have wondered if these things aren't craft occupied by beings but some extension of another life form. Maybe they're not metallic but some kind of material we have no knowledge of?
I still think the human race is getting prepped for something or some big info release at some point. Some information that blows up every human religious doctrine and introduces something that adds to the human history. I still have faith in a higher power, so anything that provides more information is a bonus for me. I think the big fear is for mass suicides and social unrest because of the release of such information. If you destroy what people believe in their mind, body and soul, that leaves some with no meaning. Take away the civil and social foundations with a moral basis and you could end up with chaos.
I was a product of the Star Trek generation of the 1960's. It was a show that caused you to ask questions. One episode involved a form of life that was mineral based (a rock creature). That was cool because it offered up the hypothesis that life could be in another form and makeup.
In the recent video releases of the "tic-tac" interaction with the F14 Tomcats over the Pacific Ocean, or that fast moving thing that a tracking lock was attempted off the east coast of the US. The thing was moving from right to left at high speed and only did they get a tracking lock on it after some effort. I have wondered if these things aren't craft occupied by beings but some extension of another life form. Maybe they're not metallic but some kind of material we have no knowledge of?
Given our current knowledge base, anything is possible. But I think the actual answer should we find it, will be far less exciting.
I still think the human race is getting prepped for something or some big info release at some point. Some information that blows up every human religious doctrine and introduces something that adds to the human history. I still have faith in a higher power, so anything that provides more information is a bonus for me. I think the big fear is for mass suicides and social unrest because of the release of such information. If you destroy what people believe in their mind, body and soul, that leaves some with no meaning. Take away the civil and social foundations with a moral basis and you could end up with chaos.
I don't. I think it will go the other way.
WOW. We went to the MOON!
Hey, we went to the MOON AGAIN.
Didn't we just go to the moon last year?
Are we still wasting time and money going to the moon?
From the dawn of flight in 1905 to landing on the moon a mere 64 years later. Try to imagine that all happening in your lifetime. People who were 10 years old in 1905 certainly expected that by 1979 we'd have moon bases and manned missions to most of the planets. But now it's old hat and the fact that we went to the moon is a nothing burger unless you are going to suggest it was faked.
If aliens showed up it wouldn't be Independence Day (really hope), Alien Nation nor will it be District 9. Soon as they realize they can't show us where God lives, don't have fembots, aren't here to make us fabulously wealthy and assuming they don't look like supermodels with a specific lust for middle aged men...even first contact will eventually become ordinary. Kinda like the day we first converted matter into energy as Einstein suggested was possible. Sure we popped some caps in the pacific for fun in the 50s, but even discovering and harnessing one of the basic principles of the universe eventually became "neat...so what else ya got?"
We came close to "almost free energy for all" BUT Jane Fonda had to make that stupid movie and then Three Mile Island had a incident about a month later and the regulation that followed cost more than what we were doing prior to that.
Right now all our electric bills could be like $25 a month if we embraced nuclear like some European countries. Sure it's not perfect, Chernobyl shows why you can't apply the communist mindset of "good enough" and Fukashima drove home the lesson of location, location, location but honestly Love Canal was probably worse than any nuclear power plant failure that might have happened had we gone forward with nuclear power plants.
I know the guy that ran Turkey Point for years and the original plan was to Flat Rate all customers because itemizing usage wasn't going to be cost effective.
And how likely is it that a alien civilization would bother with radio signals. We didn't know they were there until a little over 100 years ago and we've almost abandoned them. Think about the phonograph technology we sent out on voyager and the limited space of time it's taken to make it near obsolete. We always think our current tech "tv, radio, analog, digital, etc." will be compatible with civilizations that might be thousands or millions of years more advanced than us.
Who knows if they even use language in the sense that we understand it. Who knows if they are visually oriented the way humans are, if they find voyager one day they might not even recognize it as a form of technology let alone be able to use the visual instructions or even hear "The Sounds of Earth." But more likely, they probably function in a way that we cannot even conceive, let alone detect and understand.
Imagine if some alien civilization beamed radio information to us 1,000 years ago. Even if they beamed it directly at us hoping for a reply, it wouldn't have mattered. We might be in the middle of an information cloud from all directions right now but we lack the technology to even recognize any of it.
People can easily imagine the wondrous idea of many things, but when it comes down to how the actual technology might not exist and the forms of alien communication that are most likely, they can only imagine our technology of the last 20 years with a bit of turbo thrust and assume it will somehow be universal.
Remember the signal comes millions of light years away, so they're minimum that age old, and may have also been early in their development, and may just as likely be gone by now. That paper that the galaxy may be filled with now extinct civilizations recently published discusses that one. By the time someone gets our old TV shows, we too may have moved onto other tech as we already are, and probably gone too.
Maybe intelligent life is more than just carbon based entities? We keep looking for "Goldilocks Zone" planets which could support complex amino acids and all the building blocks of life. Maybe there are other kinds of intelligent life we can't comprehend yet? Who knows what this latest radio signal is except it took a little over 4 years to get here. Proxima Centauri has two known planets, but does the radio signal have to come from a planet, or just the vicinity of the star system? Maybe this stuff called "Dark Matter" is intelligent life?
We are going to keep searching for life based on the conditions and materials we know are needed for this planet, our n = 1 example of life. That makes some sense. For example, it's probably accurate water needs to form and or exist for life to exist, but that's basic life as we understand it. If life exists long enough, then becomes intelligent and does not snuff itself out, it also stands to reason it will progress to not requiring the simple basics of H20, carbon, energy sources, etc. We are already looking to make that jump, and if we don't snuff ourselves out, probably will in the not to distant future. Kurzweil already has a specific date, 2045. Now add a thousand years of tech (the blink an eye in cosmic time frames) and consider that, and it may be beyond what we can even imagine.
https://futurism.com/kurzweil-claims-that-the-singularity-will-happen-by-2045
Maybe intelligent life is more than just carbon based entities? We keep looking for "Goldilocks Zone" planets which could support complex amino acids and all the building blocks of life. Maybe there are other kinds of intelligent life we can't comprehend yet? Who knows what this latest radio signal is except it took a little over 4 years to get here. Proxima Centauri has two known planets, but does the radio signal have to come from a planet, or just the vicinity of the star system? Maybe this stuff called "Dark Matter" is intelligent life?
Yeah, maybe even life that doesn't have physicality as we understand the term, and it's really old too. This life may have already contacted us, who knows.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/covid-19-bill-180-day-countdown-ufo-disclosures.amp
Yeah, you wanna see a redacted document? lol Now that would be redacted like a mofo! Like it would even be worth reading.
Remember the signal comes millions of light years away, so they're minimum that age old, and may have also been early in their development, and may just as likely be gone by now. That paper that the galaxy may be filled with now extinct civilizations recently published discusses that one. By the time someone gets our old TV shows, we too may have moved onto other tech as we already are, and probably gone too.
In this case it's Proxima Centauri, which is only 4.23 light years away, so it's a recent signal generation. Life in the Milky Way Galaxy is a high possibility - intelligent advanced life is something else. I could imagine numerous star systems with planets that have produced some kind of creepy, crawly, slime critters that developed and died off over billions of years.
I still think the concept of primitive life that may have developed on other planets around other stars will throw a lot people into a tizzy if it's ever proven - or they will just reject it outright.
In this case it's Proxima Centauri, which is only 4.23 light years away, so it's a recent signal generation. Life in the Milky Way Galaxy is a high possibility - intelligent advanced life is something else. I could imagine numerous star systems with planets that have produced some kind of creepy, crawly, slime critters that developed and died off over billions of years.
I still think the concept of primitive life that may have developed on other planets around other stars will throw a lot people into a tizzy if it's ever proven - or they will just reject it outright.
Why many hypothesis that while intelligent life is likely, existing at the same time, far less so. Not sure of this got posted, but interesting:
https://www.livescience.com/milky-way-alien-life-map.html
Grand58742
12-31-20, 13:12
Why many hypothesis that while intelligent life is likely, existing at the same time, far less so. Not sure of this got posted, but interesting:
https://www.livescience.com/milky-way-alien-life-map.html
A lot of Sci-fi shows kind of have this in their plotlines. The "long dead alien civilizations that leave behind remains that are scooped up by existing species." Stargate and the spinoffs are a prime example of that.
Not entirely implausible. Interesting they make mention that intelligent civilizations tend to "eradicate" themselves over time.
Remember the signal comes millions of light years away, so they're minimum that age old, and may have also been early in their development, and may just as likely be gone by now. That paper that the galaxy may be filled with now extinct civilizations recently published discusses that one. By the time someone gets our old TV shows, we too may have moved onto other tech as we already are, and probably gone too.
That too. Just one more consideration on the pile that makes regular "visitation" extremely unlikely.
That too. Just one more consideration on the pile that makes regular "visitation" extremely unlikely.
I like they theory they're actually inter dimensional travelers of the main theories: from other parts of our galaxy time travelers, inter dimensional travelers.
just a scout
12-31-20, 19:53
As long as the Posleen don’t show up, I think we can handle most everything else.
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Business_Casual
01-01-21, 07:37
A lot of Sci-fi shows kind of have this in their plotlines. The "long dead alien civilizations that leave behind remains that are scooped up by existing species." Stargate and the spinoffs are a prime example of that.
Not entirely implausible. Interesting they make mention that intelligent civilizations tend to "eradicate" themselves over time.
I like the theory that aliens always represent the human elite in movies. Advanced, rapacious and dominant. Enlightened.
P2Vaircrewman
01-22-21, 22:19
Tucker Carlson has this guy on last night.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/a-harvard-professor-says-an-alien-visited-in-2017/
Tucker Carlson has this guy on last night.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/a-harvard-professor-says-an-alien-visited-in-2017/
His discussion with Lex on YouTube was very interesting.
https://youtu.be/plcc6E-E1uU
His discussion with Lex on YouTube was very interesting.
https://youtu.be/plcc6E-E1uUOooo someone else watching Lex!! Interesting stuff but often over my head
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I don't want to believe in UAP or Extraterrestrial beings, it deeply and profoundly disturbs me. I've wanted the subject to go away for most of my life, and I've been hoping to find an undeniable reason to dismiss the phenomena. So, for about 50 years i've been looking for the reason to dismiss it. But I cannot.
Yeah, there are kooks and charlatans aplenty, BUT, if you clear away the nuts, the core of the story continues to hold stubbornly together. Recurring patterns of activity that seem random, but at the same time have coherence, and hold even as our culture changes. Its really weird, and scary.
But unfortunately, with the Governmental statements (On top of years of following the subject), I believe its true, we have visitors, or at least a super advanced culture sharing the solar system with us. I believe the Government is playing a coy game, they have disclosed the reality of the phenomena. But in a way that most folks cannot grasp or accept.
This is the most important event in the history of the world, and its scary, people cannot get past their subconscious fear based rejection to begin to grasp the implications. We are arguing about how far away the other planets are, and how impossible it is instead of contemplating the implications and planning for coping with the changes.
With the recent slow disclosure of the reality of UAP, and now perhaps alien life by representatives of our Government, its odd that so many want to reject and hastily explain away the obvious clues these people are giving us. It seems like people have an automatic defense mechanism to avoid the shock of contemplating the possibility that there are superior and perhaps strange beings visiting us.
If you open your mind for a minute, we already know that "they" would be extremely far ahead of us in tech capability
If they are even 500 years ahead of us, its possible we may have no clue how they achieve the power for high speed travel or inter-dimensional travel. I believe we are struggling to comprehend their capability and therefore it's easier to declare it impossible. But consider this: If they are 100,000 years ahead....we become ants in comparison. Their technology and their basic biology may seem like magic mixed with fairy tale beings to us.
At this point, the questions about how they got here, are becoming unimportant, as the questions about why they're here, and who they are, is poking us right in the eye.
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The truth about the military interactions and the reason that the Navy is taking this so seriously is pretty evident. Forget about the 2004 incidents. The truth hasn't been widely discussed but, Navy pilots in 2015 began engaging odd craft that looked like transparent beach balls with a cube inside, along with other craft off the East Coast. This activity reportedly continued on an almost daily basis for five months. Sometimes there were "fleets" of them. It was also reported to have happened in the Middle East as well.
I believe world military organizations have been occasionally encountering strange craft since the 40'sThat's about when the secrecy really began.
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Recent Statements
Daily Mail
Saturday, Feb 6th 2021
CIA Director John Brennan recently said,"But I think some of the phenomena we’re going to be seeing continues to be unexplained and might, in fact, be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life" "Going to be seeing"?
Then Brennan, of course, launches into the plausible deniability BS, saying something about weather phenomena in the 2004 incidents. If it was the prosaic weather explanation, why did he opine on UAPs and Alien life.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077485/John-Brennan-former-CIA-boss-believes-life-Earth.html
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Statement by the Department of Defense on the Release of Historical Navy Videos
April 27, 2020
"The Department of Defense has authorized the release of three unclassified Navy videos, one taken in November 2004 and the other two in January 2015, which have been circulating in the public domain after unauthorized releases in 2007 and 2017. The U.S. Navy previously acknowledged that these videos circulating in the public domain were indeed Navy videos. After a thorough review, the department has determined that the authorized release of these unclassified videos does not reveal any sensitive capabilities or systems, and does not impinge on any subsequent investigations of military air space incursions by unidentified aerial phenomena. DOD is releasing the videos in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos. The aerial phenomena observed in the videos remain characterized as "unidentified." The released videos can be found at the Naval Air Systems Command FOIA Reading Room: https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents."
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2165713/statement-by-the-department-of-defense-on-the-release-of-historical-navy-videos/
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From the NYT 7/23/20
Discussing the retrievals of unexplained objects....
"Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”
The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence.
Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html
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'Most of the UFO evidence hasn’t seen the light of day': Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says the government is covering up evidence of unexplained encounters.
- Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made the claim in the documentary, The Phenomenon, which is directed by James Fox
- The Phenomenon is a new film that examines the 'long-standing global cover-up and mystery involving unidentified aerial phenomenon'
- ‘Why the federal government all these years has covered up, put brake pads on everything, stopped it, I think it’s very, very bad for our country,’ Reid said
- When asked if he’s saying there’s still evidence that hasn’t yet been publicly disclosed, Reid replies: ‘I’m saying most of it hasn’t seen the light of day'
- Since leaving office in 2017 he has become increasingly outspoken about UFOs
- Following the release of videos taken by pilots that show ‘unexplained aerial phenomena’ in April, Reid wrote: ‘The American people deserve to be informed'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8831135/Harry-Reid-says-government-covering-huge-amounts-evidence-UFO-encounters.html
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Harry Reid Interview With E&E News
Friday, November 20, 2020
Question: You were featured in the recent documentary "The Phenomenon," in which you said the U.S. government has been hiding evidence of possible UFO encounters for years. Why do you believe that?
Reid: Well, I've been on the forefront of this for a long time. I obtained $22 million in taxpayer dollars to study these aerial phenomena through the [Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program]. And that was extremely helpful in trying to understand what's going on.
Do we have all the answers? Absolutely not. But at least we know that thousands of people have reported these unusual occurrences over the decades. And as I have said, we cannot ignore what's going on. Russia, China and France are all working on this. And I hope that we will pick up the ball and continue to work on this.
I'm happy that the Pentagon now allows its pilots to report these unusual occurrences. In the past, pilots have been afraid to acknowledge them because it could hurt their promotions. So I think the federal government is doing better at recognizing it's something we have to stay on top of. And we have better cameras now with the aircraft, and we've got pictures we didn't have before.
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063719061
I could go on, but I hope I've made my point.
I don't want to believe in UAP or Extraterrestrial beings, it deeply and profoundly disturbs me. I've wanted the subject to go away for most of my life, and I've been hoping to find an undeniable reason to dismiss the phenomena. So, for about 50 years i've been looking for the reason to dismiss it. But I cannot.
Personally, I'd be profoundly depressed to learn we are all that exists in this galaxy, much less this universe.
Worth a view in the disclosure focus: Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind
Interesting, but a lot of unsubstantiated claims made:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12108272/?ref_=ttvi_tt
kaiservontexas
02-07-21, 20:42
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That was the one episode of Star Trek voyager I found really interesting. When they met Dinosaurs in space. Dinosaurs who had left Earth because of the impending impact event.
I know that Star Trek is not news or evidence of anything real, but the reason I mention it is because dinosaurs were on earth for tens of millions of years. The idea that some evolved to a technological level was neat. Given the fact they did have the time to evolve to such an extent. Compared to us the dinosaurs lived a very long time on earth. I think hominids have only been around a few million years, and we have been only around for tens of thousands of years at this point. Maybe it is all earthlings up there in the sky, but not what we would normally think of as earthlings.
Anyway, I apologize for any thread jacking with my thought.
Worth a view in the disclosure focus: Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind
Interesting, but a lot of unsubstantiated claims made:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12108272/?ref_=ttvi_tt
I watched that one on prime a couple weeks back. The light tracking the plant in the room was a little trippy.
I watched that one on prime a couple weeks back. The light tracking the plant in the room was a little trippy.
Whole lot of it is trippy. The topic of non localized consciousness fascinates me. The random number generator experiments are always interesting.
Whole lot of it is trippy. The topic of non localized consciousness fascinates me. The random number generator experiments are always interesting.
If you haven't yet, read about the research of Dr. Dean Radin. He may have been involved in the random number generator experiments.
Personally, I'd be profoundly depressed to learn we are all that exists in this galaxy, much less this universe.
Oh, I know there is life elsewhere ,and probably everywhere broadly speaking. But if you look at the entirety of the phenomena presenting to us, it is frightening. The power, capability, and breadth/spectrum of type is potentially staggering.
Again, disclosure has already happened, if you read the few quotes/reporting I listed in my earlier post, its obvious. But, if you expect the Government to come out and do a mea culpa about all the years of coverup, you are delusional.
Where do we go from here? Well, it depends on the Biden Administration. Tyrants and Leftists are secretive, my guess is that they will clamp down on information and perhaps reinstate the misinformation campaig .
The silly release of a picture taken from a military jet of what looks exactly like a Mylar Batman balloon is the type of disinformation we've lived with since the late 40's. Are they at it again? Is this part of the clamp down on information we might expect from the Biden idiots?
Fake UFO pictures than can be easily debunked, will destroy the progress that's been made.
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That was the one episode of Star Trek voyager I found really interesting. When they met Dinosaurs in space. Dinosaurs who had left Earth because of the impending impact event.
I know that Star Trek is not news or evidence of anything real, but the reason I mention it is because dinosaurs were on earth for tens of millions of years. The idea that some evolved to a technological level was neat. Given the fact they did have the time to evolve to such an extent. Compared to us the dinosaurs lived a very long time on earth. I think hominids have only been around a few million years, and we have been only around for tens of thousands of years at this point. Maybe it is all earthlings up there in the sky, but not what we would normally think of as earthlings.
Anyway, I apologize for any thread jacking with my thought.
I have said it several times, if we did get visited, most of those travelers probably saw dinosaurs and moved on.
Averageman
02-08-21, 06:16
I have said it several times, if we did get visited, most of those travelers probably saw dinosaurs and moved on.
I was reading that recently a Monkey had his brain "Chipped" now he can operated video games via a Neural Implant. Maybe one of our first bipedal ancestors was strolling across the savanna and was picked up and got a chip implanted and "Dawn of Man."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm2d0w87wQE
A MUST see, easily the best disclosure type documentary I have seen on the topic:
https://www.amazon.com/Unacknowledged-Expos%C3%A9-Worlds-Greatest-Secret/dp/B06ZYGGG2N?
A MUST see, easily the best disclosure type documentary I have seen on the topic:
https://www.amazon.com/Unacknowledged-Expos%C3%A9-Worlds-Greatest-Secret/dp/B06ZYGGG2N?
I’ve wanted to watch this one since it came out, pisses me off I have to pay for it when I have an amazon account....
I’ve wanted to watch this one since it came out, pisses me off I have to pay for it when I have an amazon account....
I was able to watch it via usual Prime account no issues.
YOU
MUST
WATCH
Srs...
Business_Casual
02-19-21, 06:49
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-02-18/nasa-mars-rover-survives-7-minutes-of-terror-successfully-lands-on-red-planet
Quote: The six-wheeled rover named Perseverance will search the red planet for signs of ancient life.
Predictive programming.
Is this disclosure of the US program? The vid that exists taken by amateur, suggests a heat source and noise. There's been rumors of that plane for some time now. I'm especially skeptical the claimed anti gravity effects claimed:
The USAs Most Secret Plane — TR-3B Patent is Now in the Public Domain
https://theeventchronicle.com/secret-plane-tr-3b-patent/
I was able to watch it via usual Prime account no issues.
YOU
MUST
WATCH
Srs...
My mistake, this one is included with Amazon, the one I want to watch costs money which came out a few months back called the phenomenon.
i did watch the unknown last night though, good stuff.
Tad OT as not disclosure in the true sense, but fits in that this essay was discovered and disclosed not that long ago: Churchill On Extra Terrestrial Life.
Yes, that Churchill, who believed in, and wrote about, life on other planets. His essay on the the topic was decades beyond its time, recently discovered, and got nadda for attention while people know who won some useless reality show or sports event. Truly fascinating stuff:
“I, for one, am not so immensely impressed by the success we are making of our civilization here that I am prepared to think we are the only spot in this immense universe which contains living, thinking creatures, or that we are the highest type of mental and physical development which has ever appeared in the vast compass of space and time.”
Cont:
https://www.history.com/news/that-time-winston-churchill-wrote-about-aliens
Commercial airline buzzed at 37,000 ASL...cigar/tick tac shape again...can we just get full on disclosure at this point....who cares just spill the beans.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/american-airlines-not-denying-ufo-spotting-says-talk-to-the-fbi
Commercial airline buzzed at 37,000 ASL...cigar/tick tac shape again...can we just get full on disclosure at this point....who cares just spill the beans.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/american-airlines-not-denying-ufo-spotting-says-talk-to-the-fbi
That happens all the time, and literally hardly worth reporting on it seems. A Nam era fighter pilot and co pilot looked over to see one right off their wing, then sped off and gone. Tic Tac shape has been around a while. I can only recall back to Nam. Other shapes were reported regularly by fighter pilots on both sides. Per article above, Churchill told his people to shut up about them as we did. I don't know how the Germans or Japanese handled it on their side in terms of reporting them. "Foo Fighters" and all that.
These experiences are starting to get covered by mainstream sources:
https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness
What they are I don't know, but I tend to believe those guys experienced what they claimed.
Commercial airline buzzed at 37,000 ASL...cigar/tick tac shape again...can we just get full on disclosure at this point....who cares just spill the beans.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/american-airlines-not-denying-ufo-spotting-says-talk-to-the-fbi
This happened over my part of New Mexico - the northeastern part. It's so rural out here that a whole squadron of those UFO's could fly around out here and there's a good chance no one would see them. Perfect place to fly and not be seen.
Business_Casual
02-26-21, 13:46
Look we all know why they want to find past life on Mars. Because then they can say that if we don’t stop driving SUVs, eating beef and not paying a huge carbon tax, the same thing is going to happen to our atmosphere. Global warming killed the Martians! Doesn’t matter if it is true or not. The “science” says so, so shut up and eat bugs and drive an electric car, slave.
Too much tequila causes people to see UFOs.
Too much tequila causes people to see UFOs.
Hopefully they're not American Airlines pilots at 37,000 feet over NE New Mexico......
Hopefully they're not American Airlines pilots at 37,000 feet over NE New Mexico......Or military pilots. But I guess there's a bottle of tequila in each cockpit
Straight Shooter
02-28-21, 08:50
Hopefully they're not American Airlines pilots at 37,000 feet over NE New Mexico......
Or military pilots. But I guess there's a bottle of tequila in each cockpit
Or ASTRONAUTS. Didnt know they had tequila in the rockets & shuttles.
Or military pilots. But I guess there's a bottle of tequila in each cockpit
Never on-duty or ever in the aircraft. After hours for some extended downtime, of course. For a UH-60 crew, too many eyes and ears to blow the whistle. For a two-man operation like the MH-6/AH-6 or even the Kiowa Warrior, you still have the maintenance NCO who has reports to complete up to and just after we began a flight. A good NCO would be on the radio with his 1SG noting a questionable flask seen during flight preps. Commissioned officer or Warrant officer would have some explaining to do.
Or ASTRONAUTS. Didnt know they had tequila in the rockets & shuttles.
Or the WWII pilots, ok, maybe there was a few bottles of booze on those planes, but the comment was of no value or benefit to the thread and fail. UFO's are legit, while the U still applies, what it's not, is birds, weather balloons, nor booze induced hallucinations.
We have SME's on top of our SME's who have had direct experience to be dismissive about that one.
On that topic, I thought I knew all the details of the Fendelson Forest incident, but there was some (quietly) declassified info from that one not long ago, and wow, is all I can say. See also:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-33447592
Business_Casual
03-18-21, 08:27
https://www.sciencealert.com/four-bacterial-strains-discovered-on-the-iss-may-help-grow-better-space-plants
Drip, drip, drip... disclosure is coming...
Years ago my team definitely saw UFOs on a mission. In the hotwash we asked about them and were told, literally, that those aircraft were "figments of your imagination, don't ask again".
Of course once we got around civvy TV, CNN was more than happily explaining everything one might want to know about the F-117. ;)
Years ago my team definitely saw UFOs on a mission. In the hotwash we asked about them and were told, literally, that those aircraft were "figments of your imagination, don't ask again".
Of course once we got around civvy TV, CNN was more than happily explaining everything one might want to know about the F-117. ;)
Not totally tracking. Is what you saw turned out to be the F-117 or was what you saw attributed to an F-117 as a cover? F-117's don't behave like UFO's and are not dead silent like UFO's etc. I do know someone who was on a mission in the Iraqi dessert during #2 adventure, and he and his entire team saw the classic huge dead quiet triangle go over their position and was told it never happened when they reported it. It was no F-117, that's for sure...
MA2_Navy_Veteran
03-18-21, 12:53
They say it's ray, but what if ...it's not? :ph34r: lolol
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Not totally tracking. Is what you saw turned out to be the F-117 or was what you saw attributed to an F-117 as a cover? F-117's don't behave like UFO's and are not dead silent like UFO's etc. I do know someone who was on a mission in the Iraqi dessert during #2 adventure, and he and his entire team saw the classic huge dead quiet triangle go over their position and was told it never happened when they reported it. It was no F-117, that's for sure...
We saw 117s taking out air defenses on our exfil, it was just funny the XO acting all OPSEC and then seeing the thing on TV. The more I think about it I believe maybe it was longer between the two (see ac/public tv) than I originally remembered. Might have actually been a year maybe. And no, we didn't think aliens. They fly like a standard ac, they just look really odd from the ground.
FWIW, why do they call them fighters? Do they A2A? Wouldn't A-117 be more appropriate?
We saw 117s taking out air defenses on our exfil, it was just funny the XO acting all OPSEC and then seeing the thing on TV. The more I think about it I believe maybe it was longer between the two (see ac/public tv) than I originally remembered. Might have actually been a year maybe. And no, we didn't think aliens. They fly like a standard ac, they just look really odd from the ground.
FWIW, why do they call them fighters? Do they A2A? Wouldn't A-117 be more appropriate?
Ah, I get it now. I was not sure which of the two options you meant.
They say it's ray, but what if ...it's not? :ph34r: lolol
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That one I recognize. Squid-type spook drone, one ea.
Business_Casual
03-18-21, 13:04
Fighters was deliberate obfuscation to keep the real mission profile secret.
That one I recognize. Squid-type spook drone, one ea.
ETA: YES, I'm joking.
That one I recognize. Squid-type spook drone, one ea.
ETA: YES, I'm joking.
We saw 117s taking out air defenses on our exfil, it was just funny the XO acting all OPSEC and then seeing the thing on TV. The more I think about it I believe maybe it was longer between the two (see ac/public tv) than I originally remembered. Might have actually been a year maybe. And no, we didn't think aliens. They fly like a standard ac, they just look really odd from the ground.
FWIW, why do they call them fighters? Do they A2A? Wouldn't A-117 be more appropriate?
It had to do with treaties with the USSR at the time, in terms of strategic armaments.
IIRC, during flight trials the plane fired an A2A missle of some sort, "earning" the F designation.
It had to do with treaties with the USSR at the time, in terms of strategic armaments.
IIRC, during flight trials the plane fired an A2A missle of some sort, "earning" the F designation.
Should have gone with Sturmflugzeug.
Business_Casual
03-21-21, 07:31
LOL, the scientism is breathtaking. From the age of the object to number of Pluto-like planets, science is just speculative bullshit now.
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/solar-systems-first-known-interstellar-visitor-was-chunk-pluto-planet-scientists-say
Business_Casual
03-21-21, 08:23
DNI disclosure...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-intelligence-chief-quite-a-few-more-ufos-detected-than-public-knows
LOL, the scientism is breathtaking. From the age of the object to number of Pluto-like planets, science is just speculative bullshit now.
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/solar-systems-first-known-interstellar-visitor-was-chunk-pluto-planet-scientists-say
Unclear how/why you come to that conclusion from that info on that object. Obviously it's hypothesis, but that's where many things start, then evidence accumulates in favor of the speculation or it points to another answer.
That's how science works and always has.
If you want to read the actual paper:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2020JE006706
LOL, the scientism is breathtaking. From the age of the object to number of Pluto-like planets, science is just speculative bullshit now.
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/solar-systems-first-known-interstellar-visitor-was-chunk-pluto-planet-scientists-say
Cosmologists are just story and yarn tellers. IMO of course.
Cosmologists are just story and yarn tellers. IMO of course.Ha!
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Business_Casual
03-21-21, 18:30
Unclear how/why you come to that conclusion from that info on that object. Obviously it's hypothesis, but that's where many things start, then evidence accumulates in favor of the speculation or it points to another answer.
That's how science works and always has.
If you want to read the actual paper:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2020JE006706
What serious “test” is there of the assertion that the age of the object is 500 billion years? Who can reproduce that test to verify the results? What “test” is there to show the number of Pluto-like planets that can be repeated in a laboratory in various locations yielding the same results? None, for both.
This is where conjecture departs from science. Science is, for example, if you propose that uranium gives off particles at a rate proportional to its size that will expose film in a quantifiable number of seconds. This can be verified and repeated in labs all over the world.
Scientism is politics dressed up as fact to drive an agenda. Just ask your mask.
What serious “test” is there of the assertion that the age of the object is 500 billion years? Who can reproduce that test to verify the results? What “test” is there to show the number of Pluto-like planets that can be repeated in a laboratory in various locations yielding the same results? None, for both.
This is where conjecture departs from science. Science is, for example, if you propose that uranium gives off particles at a rate proportional to its size that will expose film in a quantifiable number of seconds. This can be verified and repeated in labs all over the world.
Scientism is politics dressed up as fact to drive an agenda. Just ask your mask.That about sums up the way I see it as well
Soli Deo Gloria
What serious “test” is there of the assertion that the age of the object is 500 billion years? Who can reproduce that test to verify the results? What “test” is there to show the number of Pluto-like planets that can be repeated in a laboratory in various locations yielding the same results? None, for both.
Actually.
Known factor like speed of light applied to a simple formula to calculate distance. Just because we can't drag the moon into a lab doesn't mean we don't know how far away it is. This is how we manage to do "miracle things" like send probes to other planets.
As for the number of kyper belt objects approx. the size of pluto, that would be direct observation. The same "miracle technology" that led to the original discovery of pluto in the first place. Sort of how all the other planets were discovered. I guess because we can't drag Saturn into a lab, by your criteria it actually doesn't exist for sure.
Business_Casual
03-21-21, 20:16
Actually.
Known factor like speed of light applied to a simple formula to calculate distance. Just because we can't drag the moon into a lab doesn't mean we don't know how far away it is. This is how we manage to do "miracle things" like send probes to other planets.
As for the number of kyper belt objects approx. the size of pluto, that would be direct observation. The same "miracle technology" that led to the original discovery of pluto in the first place. Sort of how all the other planets were discovered. I guess because we can't drag Saturn into a lab, by your criteria it actually doesn't exist for sure.
Logical, and categorical fallacy. Try again.
Logical, and categorical fallacy. Try again.
Love people who reject basic science but subscribe to Plato metaphysical concepts.
Business_Casual
03-22-21, 05:38
Love people who reject basic science but subscribe to Plato metaphysical concepts.
I don’t reject basic science, if you’ll reread what I asserted, my friend. I asserted that what Mrs. Curie did in the lab, for instance, was science. Writing scifi about space rocks isn’t, IMO.
I don’t reject basic science, if you’ll reread what I asserted, my friend. I asserted that what Mrs. Curie did in the lab, for instance, was science. Writing scifi about space rocks isn’t, IMO.
Not your lane
Not sure how this has any bearing/relevant on the thread.
Hopefully, back to UFO and disclosures there of...
Some scientists were saying it was alien space junk. And now it's a piece of planetoid. The story creeps a bit. Think that's why he brought it up.
Some scientists were saying it was alien space junk. And now it's a piece of planetoid. The story creeps a bit. Think that's why he brought it up.
As so little known about the object, and the object being and enigma, obviously conjecture as to origin will range and some consensus with emerge as the data is examined. The full paper is an interesting read:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2020JE006706
The reality is, we will likely never know what it was. My bias prefers the alien spaceship idea for sure, but the likely and boring answer it's space rock from outside the solar system.
We are constantly finding surprises here on earth, especially in our oceans. The nature of any object in space that we have not physically examined needs a big ass, red asterisk next to it.
Space is really, really vast. It would surprise me more if we ARE alone in the universe. I don't put much credence in UFO stuff, but some are certainly more credible than others. There is also the "cow tipping" explanation of Douglas Addams to consider.
Meh. Wake me up when I can get an Orion slave girl.
Some scientists were saying it was alien space junk. And now it's a piece of planetoid. The story creeps a bit. Think that's why he brought it up.
For the record I don't think it's alien whatever. I also think opinion is often presented as theory when it doesn't even come close to qualifying.
Declaring the size and number of objects orbiting distant stars, that's noting more than speculation.
However speed of light, size of objects in kyper belt, those are easy and known things.
I don’t reject basic science, if you’ll reread what I asserted, my friend. I asserted that what Mrs. Curie did in the lab, for instance, was science. Writing scifi about space rocks isn’t, IMO.
Do you believe we know how far away Jupiter is on a given day?
For the record I don't think it's alien whatever. I also think opinion is often presented as theory when it doesn't even come close to qualifying.
Declaring the size and number of objects orbiting distant stars, that's noting more than speculation.
However speed of light, size of objects in kyper belt, those are easy and known things.Even with the speed of light, we don't know if there is anything that could possibly effect it. If the universe is as big as it is, there could obviously be a lot of unknowns, could there be anything that could affect light....who knows. We don't know what we don't know. Outside of our solar system, I would say it's all just their best educated guess. And I am fine with that, but often they don't present it that way.
Soli Deo Gloria
Business_Casual
03-22-21, 19:36
Did any of you k ow the speed of light varied until “science” decided to fix the number to avoid embarrassment?
Even with the speed of light, we don't know if there is anything that could possibly effect it.
Soli Deo Gloria
Then we must accept that we can't know anything.
Did any of you k ow the speed of light varied until “science” decided to fix the number to avoid embarrassment?
This is like rejecting religion because Jesus wasn't actually born on Dec. 25th.
I would think everyone knows there are variables that can change what is normally a constant.
Again, this is easy and known stuff. It isn't a "oops" lets make up some BS because we made a bad guess.
https://phys.org/news/2015-04-physicists-method-variations.html#:~:text=%28Phys.org%29%E2%80%94The%20speed%20of%20light%2C%20c%2C%20is%20one%20of,actually%20constant%2C%20but%20varies%20throughout%20time%20and%20space.
We also know that there are things that actually move faster than the speed of light as well.
But I do accept responsibility for trying to have a intelligent discussion about the subject on a UFO thread.
Straight Shooter
03-23-21, 00:57
This is like rejecting religion because Jesus wasn't actually born on Dec. 25th.
I would think everyone knows there are variables that can change what is normally a constant.
Again, this is easy and known stuff. It isn't a "oops" lets make up some BS because we made a bad guess.
https://phys.org/news/2015-04-physicists-method-variations.html#:~:text=%28Phys.org%29%E2%80%94The%20speed%20of%20light%2C%20c%2C%20is%20one%20of,actually%20constant%2C%20but%20varies%20throughout%20time%20and%20space.
We also know that there are things that actually move faster than the speed of light as well.
But I do accept responsibility for trying to have a intelligent discussion about the subject on a UFO thread.
So Steyr..if I could respond respectfuly, like two dudes sitting across from one another over drinks, just talking...
Firstly- I love science, even in school. But, over several decades of life now, Ive seen a lot, if not MOST, of what I was taught & told in school, to be wrong or changed or even now frowned upon. We had a complete 1965 collection of The Encyclopedia Britannica growing up..cost my parents a bundle back then. I read those things ravenously.
Ive often wondered how much of that info in those grand old books would be wrong or outdated now.
What PISSES me off, is what I call Agenda Driven Science. Science & scientists who have a personal or political or some other reason they feel they have to PROVE how right they are, and how wrong others are. They cant just do straight-down -the - middle science & let the outcomes be come what may...theyve got to propose a new "theory" or "probability" every time they dont get the answer THEY want.
And, also- how they just spew out shit..wholly unprovable, unknowable shit, like its truth from the mouth of God himself..when its just not.
Example: back when I watched TV, about 11-12 years ago, had the History Channel on. They were doing the standard "age of the Earth" show, acting like they were there the day Earth came into being...and ill NEVER forget what assclown narrating said..." We know THE EXACT age of the Earth, its 4.51 Billion years old..plus or minus One million years". That was the last tme that channel has ever, or will ever, be on my TV again. Think about that. The AUDACITY of someone claiming to know the EXACT age of Earth. The HELL they do.
Thats like me lookin out over a beach, saying..I know how many grains of sand are on this beach...plus or minus one grain. BULL SHIT.
Another is carbon dating. PROVEN time & time again to be hilariously wrong. And about the speed of light. Ive NEVER heard, until you just said it, that there are things, or anything, faster than light, or that its speed is "variable". When the heck did THIS happen?
All my life we've been told it was a constant whatever speed they said, and that NOTHING as faster.
So, if its SCIENCE, and was "proven" to be one speed..HOW could it change? And if it can & did change..how was it "science" if it turned out to be wrong? Ive seen so very very much changed over the years. Even the word "theory", one nut, sorry, scientist..recently said that theory now means its fact or almost fact, instead of some guy's best guess or idea. The "science" behind this Covid madness...has changed weekly for over a year now. Science told us, up until about the late 1950's, that Earth was flat. Find some old school books from early 1900's & see if Im wrong. Science told us Pluto was a planet, now its not. I should start a list of just what Ive seen "science" change in MY lifetime, it would be a long one. So, what Ive decided over the course of my life, is that a lot of science is being used to fund someones own interests, own agendas, ect..like the Big Bang crowd and/or the aethiests/anti-God/Creation crowd.
Id like to have a penny of every dollar ever spent trying to de-bunk the Bible. This is THE ultimate goal of many scientists and those that fund them. THATS the brass ring, so to speak. And after all that money, & time, and "theories" and this & that- THEY CANT & THEY HAVENT.
Ive watched beau coup hours of debates between Creationists & Big Bangers. While Creationists dont have ALL or EVERY answer, and theyll tell you that up front, or SHOULD anyway..the Big Bangers have some kinda BS answer for everything, like..they know IT ALL, like they were standing RIGHT THERE when it happened. The Hell they were.
So, this is what turns me off of "science", and Im sure others too. I dont hate anyone who disagrees, or believes everything the science world says. But its scientists who dont want another opinion or viewpoint told, not those of us who believe differently.
EDIT: As for "UFO's"...if by UFO people mean intelligently flown aircraft with intelligent life from somewhere outside Earth...I dont know, nor really care. If a huge ship sat down RIGHT NOW on the White House lawn.. and grays or greens or tall blond Viking looking mothers got out...dont change A THING for me. God STILL created them, or allowed them to be, Christ is STILL King & the only way to Heaven, and Satan is STILL a defeated son-of-a bitch.
So Steyr..if I could respond respectfuly, like two dudes sitting across from one another over drinks, just talking...
Firstly- I love science, even in school. But, over several decades of life now, Ive seen a lot, if not MOST, of what I was taught & told in school, to be wrong or changed or even now frowned upon. We had a complete 1965 collection of The Encyclopedia Britannica growing up..cost my parents a bundle back then. I read those things ravenously.
So did I. In fact I went to a pretty exclusive private school early on and we bought those editions. I don't think a day went by that I didn't look something up.
Ive often wondered how much of that info in those grand old books would be wrong or outdated now.
What PISSES me off, is what I call Agenda Driven Science. Science & scientists who have a personal or political or some other reason they feel they have to PROVE how right they are, and how wrong others are. They cant just do straight-down -the - middle science & let the outcomes be come what may...theyve got to propose a new "theory" or "probability" every time they dont get the answer THEY want.
You and me both. There is climate change, which is always happening and has always happened. Early earth had no climate and was a hot ball of molten rock. When stromatolites came on the scene and rapidly became a dominant life form on Earth they so super oxygenated that atmosphere that many people think lightning strikes probably caused firestorms in the sky. We have to way to go back and check and see for sure, but it seems very likely. Then we had a series of extinction events and a few ice ages and that is serious climate change. Political climate change, and the idea that we can dramatically alter the climate one way or another is mostly nonsense. It's going to continue to change regardless of what we do and in both directions.
And, also- how they just spew out shit..wholly unprovable, unknowable shit, like its truth from the mouth of God himself..when its just not.
Example: back when I watched TV, about 11-12 years ago, had the History Channel on. They were doing the standard "age of the Earth" show, acting like they were there the day Earth came into being...and ill NEVER forget what assclown narrating said..." We know THE EXACT age of the Earth, its 4.51 Billion years old..plus or minus One million years". That was the last tme that channel has ever, or will ever, be on my TV again. Think about that. The AUDACITY of someone claiming to know the EXACT age of Earth. The HELL they do.
Thats like me lookin out over a beach, saying..I know how many grains of sand are on this beach...plus or minus one grain. BULL SHIT.
So I wouldn't have worded it like that. But when we get into a concept like deep time, and we are talking about 4.5 billion years, well a million years is almost meaningless. It's like me saying "I know I spent damn near $100 on that when it could have been 103.18 or 97.62 cents. It's all very close, but I agree scientists who want credibility need to use their words. So I would have said "based upon everything we understand today the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old." And there is a reason we have arrived at that approximate age.
Another is carbon dating. PROVEN time & time again to be hilariously wrong. And about the speed of light. Ive NEVER heard, until you just said it, that there are things, or anything, faster than light, or that its speed is "variable". When the heck did THIS happen?
All my life we've been told it was a constant whatever speed they said, and that NOTHING as faster.
So, if its SCIENCE, and was "proven" to be one speed..HOW could it change? And if it can & did change..how was it "science" if it turned out to be wrong? Ive seen so very very much changed over the years. Even the word "theory", one nut, sorry, scientist..recently said that theory now means its fact or almost fact, instead of some guy's best guess or idea. The "science" behind this Covid madness...has changed weekly for over a year now. Science told us, up until about the late 1950's, that Earth was flat. Find some old school books from early 1900's & see if Im wrong. Science told us Pluto was a planet, now its not. I should start a list of just what Ive seen "science" change in MY lifetime, it would be a long one. So, what Ive decided over the course of my life, is that a lot of science is being used to fund someones own interests, own agendas, ect..like the Big Bang crowd and/or the aethiests/anti-God/Creation crowd.
Carbon dating is one both sides seem to not fully understand. The method is sound as a method of dating organic material that receives a constant level of C14 while alive and then this ceases at death and then decays and the level of decay can give us a damn close date of death. Now it has it's limits, if we try and carbon 14 date something beyond 50,000 years the samples generally are no longer viable.
It also isn't a useful technique for dating something that happened last week, last year or even when we were in high school. C14 is also not precise so it should be presented as a standard deviation with a percentage level of confidence. It does let us reasonably date Egyptian mummies and things of that sort and it's a better tool than just guessing. It's most useful for invalidating ideas, if someone claims an organic object is $5,000 years old and C14 put's it more in the middle ages, it probably is not $5,000 years old.
Id like to have a penny of every dollar ever spent trying to de-bunk the Bible. This is THE ultimate goal of many scientists and those that fund them. THATS the brass ring, so to speak. And after all that money, & time, and "theories" and this & that- THEY CANT & THEY HAVENT.
Ive watched beau coup hours of debates between Creationists & Big Bangers. While Creationists dont have ALL or EVERY answer, and theyll tell you that up front, or SHOULD anyway..the Big Bangers have some kinda BS answer for everything, like..they know IT ALL, like they were standing RIGHT THERE when it happened. The Hell they were.
So, this is what turns me off of "science", and Im sure others too. I dont hate anyone who disagrees, or believes everything the science world says. But its scientists who dont want another opinion or viewpoint told, not those of us who believe differently.
EDIT: As for "UFO's"...if by UFO people mean intelligently flown aircraft with intelligent life from somewhere outside Earth...I dont know, nor really care. If a huge ship sat down RIGHT NOW on the White House lawn.. and grays or greens or tall blond Viking looking mothers got out...dont change A THING for me. God STILL created them, or allowed them to be, Christ is STILL King & the only way to Heaven, and Satan is STILL a defeated son-of-a bitch.
Actually I can do it now, kinda. Creation was 6 days with a day of rest. Problem is the people who wrote the bible didn't understand a day. So given that an Earth day is one rotation on it's axis what the hell was a day before the earth was specifically created? Or did the earth get created before the universe, space and the sun? Then people come back with "well what is a day to God?" which is of course complete monkey shit unless he too is a celestial body spinning on an axis in orbit around the sun. Kinda like if god was breakdancing...then you'd have a god day.
The reality is people didn't understand days on mars were different from days on earth and a lot different from days on Saturn so they didn't even try and address it. And if god really told them, how much advanced cosmology to you think primitive humans could grasp accurately. Imagine god told people 100,000 years ago about nuclear power and how it works, do you really think Noah could have built a reactor?
The other problem with the bible, and I'm assuming the KJV canonized at Nicea, these are multiple source writings from various authors of a span of centuries (and I'm not just talking new testament and old testament). Some of which was adopted at Nicea was accepted as gospel while same source information was rejected and is now mostly considered Hebrew mythology. We aren't even going to get into the gnostic verses because it's it's own long, complicated and very debated discussion.
The bible is also an account of old tales that predate writing with all of the challenges that come with oral tradition, stories that have clearly been co opted from much older religions or otherwise altered to be more suitable to the new religion, accounts of recorded history from known and accepted as reliable source that are supported by other sources and the prophetic writings of other individuals who are mostly presenting religious opinion.
Any four year scholar could pick apart nearly every chapter without much effort but that doesn't necessarily invalidate any or all of it. You can't disprove a negative so I cannot prove god exists and I cannot prove god doesn't exist. There is insufficient evidence for either position and that's why religious people have to take things on faith, atheists have to accept they've created an alternate religion with no more factual basis than the one they don't believe in and agnostics are really the only ones who understand the rules until they decide to jump into one or the other faith based camps.
Also most real scientists have better things to do than debunk the bible, that's an agenda driven issue and not really science. Imagine for a second they prove 100 things in the bible are not scientifically possible...so what? Are they going to get a Nobel prize in physics for correcting genesis??
Here's the other problem. Science. Supernatural. So 2+2=4 and that's fine but 2+2+supernatural entity can equal 6,47, 971 or banana. They are pretty mutually exclusive. If the supernatural exists, by definition it is not bound by science or it's pesky laws of matter and movement so it would be irrelevant again.
But here's the real kicker, if god actually showed up, god would become science because he's like right there and we are detecting him and we are pretty sure it's not a weather balloon this time. The real question is is there a unified theory of space, time and matter that even god adheres to or is it another pain in the ass quantum science that only applied to supernatural entities and if we get to that point I swear I quit anyway because quantum already pisses me off.
So people that keep trying to apply religion to science or science to religion either to support or discredit are really wasting their time.
My father was a doctor, actually several kinds of doctors and I mean medical doctor not just PhD. He also was a college professor who taught advanced level biology things of that sort. His brother, my uncle is a nuclear engineer, who many decades ago had a serious health issue and was technically dead in surgery for a few moments. He met Jesus who told him he wasn't ready, gave him a few things to do and sent him back. You will never convince my uncle that he didn't receive a hold mandate from Jesus himself. A somewhat abrupt but mostly sane lifestyle change followed and he was eventually deacon of his church and currently holds whatever the equivalent rank of bishop is in a protestant church.
The funny thing is these brothers never had these debates. My father was rather candid about everything he knows about fossil records and things like that cannot ever prove a god doesn't exist and my uncle was rather candid that he doesn't know the ways of god and for all he knows evolution was gods tool to raise man from a lower form and so they never argued about it. Their mother constantly argued about it being the person with the least knowledge on either subject so they wouldn't engage in her debate either.
When my uncle told her "you will have to ask god when you get there" regarding evolution she almost popped an artery.
So I try and understand what we know.
I try and grasp what might be based upon what is likely given what we know.
I try and be cautious about what is unfounded but conforms with everything we think we know.
And I do my best to be respectful of what others might believe unless that say something really silly.
Straight Shooter
03-23-21, 07:58
Thank you for the response. Like you, unless its some wacky, troll-like response, I try to be respectful too, but there are dudes here that push buttons on me, for sure.
Now, to your lengthy response. Some things are unknowable, like the quantam scenario you brought up. I, as a Christian..have absolutely no problem with saying I..DONT..KNOW, to some questions. And I refer to your Uncle, and answer as he does..."Ask God when you see Him".
But scientists...theyll have THE most convoluted answer, or A convoluted answer & they are gonna say SOMETHING, but it is rarely I DONT KNOW. All that you responded with, Ive heard before, and has been debated before. I simply cannot give an adequate response here on the forum, as Id have to sit here & type all day. But, as you noted with things like "climate change" & the age of the Earth, there are things we can agree on about science, that is just a bunch of bull. I would HOPE, that there are things in Gods Word we could agree on also.
I HATE that science & the Bible are often, but not always, at odds with one another. To me, it need not be the case.
I SINCERELY disagree that there is insufficient evidence for either side, and thats why religious people have to take things on faith. again, I could type all day long here on that, it simply would be akin to War & Peace in length.
I personally have had MANY MANY encounters with God...and have seen with mine own eyes things happen that I KNOW were from Him.
Why He doesnt show Himself to those who dont believe, well Ill ask Him when I see Him, but I dont know.
I, MYSELF...am a weak link in trying to convey what I want people to know about Christ, & our Father in Heaven. But, because I am weak, doesnt mean Im wrong, or the Bible is wrong. I still read or watch videos or articles that claim to "prove" this or that about God or the Bible isnt true. To a word, they are always complete tripe, never once coming close to proving anything.
Again, these are conversations best had in person, & it would be a HOOT to sit down with some cold drinks and chat about this, or guns & whatever else we could spin up.
I appreciate the time it took for your response, sir.
This is like rejecting religion because Jesus wasn't actually born on Dec. 25th.
I would think everyone knows there are variables that can change what is normally a constant.
Again, this is easy and known stuff. It isn't a "oops" lets make up some BS because we made a bad guess.
https://phys.org/news/2015-04-physicists-method-variations.html#:~:text=%28Phys.org%29%E2%80%94The%20speed%20of%20light%2C%20c%2C%20is%20one%20of,actually%20constant%2C%20but%20varies%20throughout%20time%20and%20space.
We also know that there are things that actually move faster than the speed of light as well.
But I do accept responsibility for trying to have a intelligent discussion about the subject on a UFO thread.
Was a valiant effort doh.
Some good stuff here:
US has 'secret evidence of UFOs breaking sound barrier without a sonic boom and performing moves humans don't have the technology for', says Trump's Director of National Intelligence
In December a 180-day deadline was announced for a report into UFO sightings
The Pentagon and intelligence agencies must release their report by June 1
John Ratcliffe, former DNI, said there were more sightings than publicly known
Ratcliffe said the observations were made by Navy and Air Force pilots
They were recorded by 'multiple sensors' and had no obvious explanation
The incidents included supersonic travel without a sonic boom
Ratcliffe said it was in the public interest that the information be released
The U.S. has evidence of UFOs breaking the sound barrier without a sonic boom and making maneuvers impossible with known technology, the former Director of National Intelligence has revealed.
The revelations increased excitement about a forthcoming report detailing what the U.S. government has observed.
John Ratcliffe, who served as Donald Trump's Director of National Intelligence, said that many of the incidents still have no easy explanation.
'There are a lot more sightings than have been made public,' Ratcliffe told Fox News.
'Some of those have been declassified.
'And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have seen by Navy or Air Force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain.
'Movements that are hard to replicate that we don't have the technology for. Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.'
Cont:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9387129/There-lot-sightings-public-Anticipation-mounts-ahead-UFO-report.html
"Defy easy explanation"? I would think that the explanation is quite easy for most on this thread...it's aliens.
titsonritz
03-23-21, 21:23
Pentagon to release UFO report on 'difficult to explain' sightings. If it is not ours and it is not theirs it has got to be someone else’s. Should be interesting if we survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YEGK56eMvg
Pentagon to release UFO report on 'difficult to explain' sightings. If it is not ours and it is not theirs it has got to be someone else’s. Should be interesting if we survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YEGK56eMvg
That's pretty much always been my basic summary. It's undeniable at this point there's something in our airspace that can't be explained away ignored any more. The U in UFO persists, but it's not weather balloons, flocks of geese, etc.
Straight Shooter
03-24-21, 09:49
I still believe there is a good chance, that these things people & military are seeing are things that certain "black" or "dark" agencies in our own government have, and are testing to see just how good they really are. I mean, if you can fool the military and civilian population...you can fool anyone. Sort of the right hand doesnt know what the left hand is doing.
If it IS "aliens"...why not just make formal, public contact insread of 50 years of flying around cuttin up cattle and abducting people?
Shit or get off the pot already with this mess. I really, truly dont think there would be ANYWHERE near the hysteria the Rand Corp. once stated it would be.
I still believe there is a good chance, that these things people & military are seeing are things that certain "black" or "dark" agencies in our own government have, and are testing to see just how good they really are. I mean, if you can fool the military and civilian population...you can fool anyone. Sort of the right hand doesnt know what the left hand is doing.
If it IS "aliens"...why not just make formal, public contact insread of 50 years of flying around cuttin up cattle and abducting people?
Shit or get off the pot already with this mess. I really, truly dont think there would be ANYWHERE near the hysteria the Rand Corp. once stated it would be.
I can understand why/how someone could come to that conclusion. I vacillate on that one, and it's also possible it's a combo of both. The reasons I often reject that one, or at least think it's a combo of "them" and us using tech we got from them is, their behaviors would mean a leap in science so beyond anything we have, it's hard to really believe. Two, the fact they have been with us for a long time, would then suggest we have had that tech since at least WWII, and that again, makes little sense.
So, it brings me full circle to it not being "us."
Swarm Of ‘Tic Tac Shaped UFOs’ Chased Four US Navy Destroyers Off The Coast Of California…
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39913/multiple-destroyers-were-swarmed-by-mysterious-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights
https://www.weaselzippers.us/466593-swarm-of-tic-tac-shaped-ufos-chased-four-us-navy-destroyers-off-the-coast-of-california/
Another dupe. What is up with this site?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39913/multiple-destroyers-were-swarmed-by-mysterious-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights
https://www.weaselzippers.us/466593-swarm-of-tic-tac-shaped-ufos-chased-four-us-navy-destroyers-off-the-coast-of-california/
I had heard of those events, but that adds more details to it. 4 of the most sophisticated war ships we have and crew all seeing weather balloons?
I had heard of those events, but that adds more details to it. 4 of the most sophisticated war ships we have and crew all seeing weather balloons?
My Brother, Retired AF Colonel does not believe in UFO's from an ET stand point. He attributes unknown sightings to our military/govt just exercising our Skunk Works technology.
My Brother, Retired AF Colonel does not believe in UFO's from an ET stand point. He attributes unknown sightings to our military/govt just exercising our Skunk Works technology.
Maybe he's right, I don't know. You think we have this level of tech and have since at least WWII? I don't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbBc_LmXkbQ
Straight Shooter
03-25-21, 23:05
My Brother, Retired AF Colonel does not believe in UFO's from an ET stand point. He attributes unknown sightings to our military/govt just exercising our Skunk Works technology.
Thats EXACTLY what Ive been saying.
Thats EXACTLY what Ive been saying.
Since at least WWII? Ya, no.
A gent from Skunk Works part of this program, the Director of that program, worth watching if the topic of interest:
https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation/cast/steve-justice
Show:
https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation
Business_Casual
03-26-21, 05:44
Maybe he's right, I don't know. You think we have this level of tech and have since at least WWII? I don't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbBc_LmXkbQ
I think it is part skunk works, part deliberate deception on several fronts and part inter- dimensional entities. I do not believe in nuts and bolts UFOs from other solar systems/galaxies.
Business_Casual
03-26-21, 05:45
Maybe he's right, I don't know. You think we have this level of tech and have since at least WWII? I don't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbBc_LmXkbQ
I think it is part skunk works, part deliberate deception on several fronts and part inter- dimensional entities. I do not believe in nuts and bolts UFOs from other solar systems/galaxies.
I think it is part skunk works, part deliberate deception on several fronts and part inter- dimensional entities. I do not believe in nuts and bolts UFOs from other solar systems/galaxies.
Could be all that and something we have not even considered! I like the inter dimensional angle myself.
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