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The_War_Wagon
11-28-20, 14:52
I know he rubbed some folks here the wrong way when he was an active member (https://www.m4carbine.net/member.php?36484-ptmccain), but he was an enthusiastic 2A supporter and gun owner (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/brotherhood-of-the-gun-teach-your-children-well-edition/), from a rare background to most of us (and one that is sorely NEEDED in these days!).

His obituary, from the LCMS website (https://blogs.lcms.org/2020/obituary-rev-paul-timothy-mccain-publisher-and-executive-editor-concordia-publishing-house/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=obituary-rev-paul-timothy-mccain-publisher-and-executive-editor-concordia-publishing-house):

Obituary: Rev. Paul Timothy McCain, publisher and executive editor, Concordia Publishing House
Reporter Staff
November 27, 2020

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The Rev. Paul T. McCain is pictured at the Concordia Historical Institute’s 45th annual awards banquet and annual meeting on Friday, Nov. 8, 2019, at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis. McCain died on Nov. 25, 2020, at the age of 58. (LCMS/Erik M. Lunsford)

The Rev. Paul Timothy McCain, publisher and executive editor at Concordia Publishing House (CPH), died in Ballwin, Mo., on Nov. 25. He was 58.

McCain was born on Feb. 12, 1962, in Pensacola, Fla., to the Rev. Paul B. and Jean (Geipel) McCain and received the Sacrament of Holy Baptism on Feb. 25, 1962. He married Lynn Grunow in 1983. He graduated from Concordia University, River Forest, Ill., with a Bachelor of Arts (1984) in Biblical Languages and from Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne (CTSFW), with a Master of Divinity (1988) in Systematic Theology.

McCain served as assistant to Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS) President Rev. Dr. A.L. Barry from 1992 until Barry’s death in March 2001, and as assistant to Interim Synod President Rev. Robert Kuhn until the Rev. Dr. Gerald Kieschnick’s installation as president in September 2001. Prior to becoming Barry’s assistant, McCain served as communications director for Iowa District East; pastor of St. Paul’s Lutheran Church (Artesian) in Waverly, Iowa; and guest instructor at CTSFW.

After his years assisting two Synod presidents, McCain served briefly as interim director of Concordia Historical Institute in St. Louis. In January 2002, following the retirement of the Rev. Dr. Stephen J. Carter as CPH president and CEO, McCain began serving as interim CPH president and CEO, a position he held until the installation of Dr. Bruce Kintz on Oct. 31, 2006. In a statement released after McCain’s death, Kintz said the CPH family was “deeply saddened by the news of Rev. Paul T. McCain’s passing. He was a close friend and co-worker and will be sorely missed.”

During his time at CPH, McCain was general editor of Concordia: The Lutheran Confessions, A Reader’s Edition and also played pivotal roles in the publication of Lutheran Service Book, The Lutheran Study Bible and Treasury of Daily Prayer. He was a frequent guest on KFUO and other programs and podcasts and the author of numerous articles. As word of his death spread across the Synod on Thanksgiving Day, the Rev. Todd Wilken, host of the radio program “Issues, Etc.,” credited McCain for putting the Book of Concord “back into the hands of the laity. For that, and for all the other gifts God gave through Paul, every confessional Lutheran should give thanks today.”

The Rev. Robert Bugbee, former president of Lutheran Church—Canada, said, “My beloved friend, Paul McCain, was a source of support, not only to Missouri Synod people, but also to us within the Synod’s wider family. I will always treasure the brotherly encouragement he provided in my early days as the leader of a partner church. I trust God to use the many publications Paul made possible like seeds going into the ground … to bring forth a harvest to life everlasting! The sharp pain we feel at losing him is just the measure of how much he came to mean during the years the Lord shared him with us.”

In a statement shared widely on social media, LCMS President Rev. Dr. Matthew C. Harrison wrote, “Our Lord Jesus has called to Himself our brother and fellow servant in Christ … to await the blessed resurrection unto life everlasting. … The Lord blessed Paul with a passionate zeal for the Gospel as taught in the Scriptures and confessed in the Book of Concord. Join us in prayer for Paul’s wife and children, and his CPH family. Christ is risen! He is risen, indeed!”

McCain was preceded in death by his father, the Rev. Paul B. McCain. He is survived by his mother, Jean; his wife, Lynn; children Paul Jerome (Kirsten) McCain, John Augustine McCain and Mary Ann McCain; granddaughter Anna Jean McCain; brother Phillip (Brenda) McCain; nephew Phillip (Sophia) McCain; and niece Jennifer (Brett) Pierce.

A funeral service is set for 1 p.m. on Tuesday, Dec. 1, at the Chapel of St. Timothy and St. Titus on the campus of Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, with a private burial following the service. The service will be livestreamed. Viewing will begin one hour before the service at 12 p.m. in the chapel narthex. Clergy are invited to process.

In order to comply with COVID guidelines, anyone who plans to attend the funeral or to participate in the procession is asked to sign up at this link. Clergy should register as clergy. Clergy who plan to process should wear red vestments. Please direct any questions to St. Paul’s Lutheran Church, Des Peres, Mo., 314-822-0447.

Posted Nov. 27, 2020/Updated Nov. 28, 2020

Wake27
11-28-20, 15:18
No shit.


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ggammell
11-28-20, 15:36
No shit.


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Would have never guessed he was a minister.

Inkslinger
11-28-20, 15:48
Would have never guessed he was a minister.

He must have missed the commandment “thou shall not troll”.

JoshNC
11-28-20, 16:00
Pretty sure he has a bunch of items on Gunbroker still. Which will suck for the buyers. I never really followed the drama around him here. May he Rest In Peace.

donlapalma
11-28-20, 16:31
To this day, any troll poster is still highly suspected of being the notorious ptmccain. Guess this puts that suspicion to rest. No pun intended. May he rest in peace.

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SeriousStudent
11-28-20, 16:35
He was a liar, a cheat, and a very poor example to his flock. And those were his good qualities. :rolleyes:

I personally banned him from here at least a dozen times. You would be shocked to read the language he used in emails and PM's. He kept trying to sneak back in here just long enough to sell stuff on the EE. He would also publicly insult combat veterans from the safety of his couch in Missouri. I personally banned him twice for that.

He wasn't bad enough that I would have wished kidney stones on him, but he was an extraordinarily bad example to the ministry.

Rogue556
11-28-20, 16:48
You know, as this year has gone on I've found myself less and less surprised by anything..

With that said..

Color. Me. Surprised.

Dude was seriously, no joke, an actual minister?!

2020: When the only thing that makes sense is that nothing makes sense.

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RHINOWSO
11-28-20, 17:02
I knew he was supposedly a minister, but apparently he needed to be an asshole somewhere, so he chose to do it on the internet in every gun forum he could join. I suppose that is preferable to molesting the alter-boys but still, he was an douchebag of epic proportions. In the end he was an arrogant, ignorant, trolling bitch who was banned from EVERY gun forum on the internet (multiple times) - in the 2A world, he won't be missed at all. Adios MFer.

SeriousStudent
11-28-20, 17:04
You know, as this year has gone on I've found myself less and less surprised by anything..

With that said..

Color. Me. Surprised.

Dude was seriously, no joke, an actual minister?!

2020: When the only thing that makes sense is that nothing makes sense.

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Even better - on the editorial board for a major religious publishing house, that set policy for that organization.

I'd done a lot of OSINT digging. It's part of what I do for a living.

The phrase "shake my head" doesn't begin to cover it. :(

ST911
11-28-20, 17:08
Was aware of his ID, but not his death. Thanks for posting.

seb5
11-28-20, 17:11
When a minister acts like he did it does more harm to Christianity than any good he could have done. Sad. Show me those with scripures coming from their mouth and deceit from their heart and it shows their true values. Or see my sigline............

Korgs130
11-28-20, 17:22
That is crazy, but I’m not completely shocked. Some of the biggest a**holes I know are also very “religious”.

Mozart
11-28-20, 19:27
Some of the biggest a**holes I know are also very “religious”.

This. In my 35 years, I’ve learned there is, on average, zero difference between non-religious and devout religious people when it comes to morals and ethics. I’ve met many great people that happen to be atheist, and many true bags of sleaze that never miss a Sunday service.

Diamondback
11-28-20, 19:44
That is crazy, but I’m not completely shocked. Some of the biggest a**holes I know are also very “religious”.

Best summarized as "doesn't matter if everybody else thinks I'm an asshole, Jesus Loves Me and that's all that counts."

Straight Shooter
11-28-20, 20:11
Aaand cue the Christian bashing. AGAIN. :(

Coal Dragger
11-28-20, 20:12
Would have never guessed he was a minister.

If you pay attention to the obit it appears he was spending most of his time in various staff jobs within the church, rarely venturing out to lead a congregation.

Which makes a lot of sense, he acted about the same way middle managers, and field grade officers in staff assignments often act. Like douche bags.

Diamondback
11-28-20, 20:25
Aaand cue the Christian bashing. AGAIN. :(

I'm a Christian even if not a great one, I just consider those who use "Jesus Loves Me so I Am SAVED" as a "get out of jail free card" and their rank hypocrisy to be an insult to the faith.

TomMcC
11-28-20, 20:26
Aaand cue the Christian bashing. AGAIN. :(

It won't matter if every Christian was an "asshole" on judgement day.

Don't know PT, never dealt with him...hope he made it.

Co-gnARR
11-28-20, 20:42
I'm a Christian even if not a great one, I just consider those who use "Jesus Loves Me so I Am SAVED" as a "get out of jail free card" and their rank hypocrisy to be an insult to the faith.

THIS. Aka, why I stopped trying to be ‘a good Christian’ for social acceptance and instead started believing in G*d for my own enlightenment.

THAT SAID:

For the subject of this thread, I will not pass judgement as I did not know the deceased.

As a forum member, a troll is a troll, and I do not miss this particular individual’s attendance, nor mourn the lack there of.

RIP...now let us live on the same way.

Diamondback
11-28-20, 22:06
THIS. Aka, why I stopped trying to be ‘a good Christian’ for social acceptance and instead started believing in G*d for my own enlightenment.
First thing every morning: "Dear God, help me suck less today than I did yesterday."

SteyrAUG
11-28-20, 22:17
He was a liar, a cheat, and a very poor example to his flock. And those were his good qualities. :rolleyes:

I personally banned him from here at least a dozen times. You would be shocked to read the language he used in emails and PM's. He kept trying to sneak back in here just long enough to sell stuff on the EE. He would also publicly insult combat veterans from the safety of his couch in Missouri. I personally banned him twice for that.

He wasn't bad enough that I would have wished kidney stones on him, but he was an extraordinarily bad example to the ministry.

Sometimes "saved" people feel that they can do anything because they are "saved."

I came here with a "if you can't say anything nice..." position, but I think you covered the strong points so I'll leave it at that.

ST911
11-28-20, 22:34
I have an idea... As with the death of some other public faces that may not be our cup of tea, we have an opportunity here to show some dignity and class as a community. I'm going to take the high road, and just reallocate the mod time I would have expended if not for this outcome.

RIP Paul. The only Moderator that matters is now reviewing your membership.

MikhailBarracuda91
11-29-20, 00:33
I was accused of being ptmccain when I first joined. I tried explaining that I wasn't who they suspected. Since then I've seen his name mentioned weekly.

I don't think I could ever top this guy. Troll level - Mastery

RIP [emoji3583][emoji1258]

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SteyrAUG
11-29-20, 04:12
Aaand cue the Christian bashing. AGAIN. :(

Let the martyrdom begin.

Seriously, come down off the cross. We are all using very specific words like "some", you might want to look up the word "some" sometime. Pretty sure nobody here has said "all christians are like this."

SWATcop556
11-29-20, 07:22
And as with the "good Minister" this thread can also rest in peace.