View Full Version : Colt O1070CQB Vs. Springer TRP
Title says it all. Is there a big difference. During my recent return to 1911's I've acquired a Colt CCU and a Springer Pro. Obviously these are different but it appears the two referenced are very similar. I've found both here locally and the railed Springer s 1480.00 vs. 1848.00 for the Colt out the door. Any thoughts?
PracticalRifleman
12-06-20, 07:26
Dan Wesson when you get to that money.
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sidewaysil80
12-06-20, 08:22
Yeah for sure Dan Wesson. Under $2k they are unbeatable and no one comes close. Hand fit, no mim, excellent manufacturing, etc. TRP guns are marketing gimmick, still a mass assembled production gun with no hand fitting. They have assemblers “match” parts to pick the best fit from all components...but none get actually fitted like the Dan Wesson.
As far as Colt goes, I hate series 80 guns due to their possible effect on the guns timing. You can delete them sure, but I would choose a DW specialist over Colt. They are just a better gun and hold their value/easier to sell.
I’ll toss out option C...Staccato...this is the way.
I am a die hard 1911 fan, I own a custom MARS gun, a full house Pete Single gun, a Wilson CQB Elite, and a colt 1991. But, I have fallen in love with the staccato, they are just awesome shooting guns. Plenty of awesome reviews out there, I think they deserve a look.
Thanks for the replies. Do many DW's come with the ambi safeties? If not it's another 160-250 dollars added to them. Not a show stopper but with the decline in the number of smiths and thier back ups it could be an issue. Not sure I want to start removing metal via U-tube at this time.
Chris I'll check them out.
I’ll toss out option C...Staccato...this is the way.
I am a die hard 1911 fan, I own a custom MARS gun, a full house Pete Single gun, a Wilson CQB Elite, and a colt 1991. But, I have fallen in love with the staccato, they are just awesome shooting guns. Plenty of awesome reviews out there, I think they deserve a look.
I have a few 1911s... I agree with DW being an excellent shooter. But Staccaco for me was a game changer in regards to accuracy right out of the bag...
When I was looking for my first 1911, I was mostly decided on a TRP. The Dan Wesson Valor for roughly the same money changed my mind quickly. That was over 10 years ago, and DWs have improved a lot since then.
The Specialist, Valor, and Vigil (if you want aluminum frame) all have ambi safeties.
You can't go wrong with a TRP, DW or Stacatto. I own them all and all are awesome.
PB
Yeah for sure Dan Wesson. Under $2k they are unbeatable and no one comes close. Hand fit, no mim, excellent manufacturing, etc. TRP guns are marketing gimmick, still a mass assembled production gun with no hand fitting. They have assemblers “match” parts to pick the best fit from all components...but none get actually fitted like the Dan Wesson.
As far as Colt goes, I hate series 80 guns due to their possible effect on the guns timing. You can delete them sure, but I would choose a DW specialist over Colt. They are just a better gun and hold their value/easier to sell.
Please elaborate on your comment regarding the Colt series 80 system. Where did you find your information regarding possible timing issues?
Yeah for sure Dan Wesson. Under $2k they are unbeatable and no one comes close. Hand fit, no mim, excellent manufacturing, etc. TRP guns are marketing gimmick, still a mass assembled production gun with no hand fitting. They have assemblers “match” parts to pick the best fit from all components...but none get actually fitted like the Dan Wesson.
As far as Colt goes, I hate series 80 guns due to their possible effect on the guns timing. You can delete them sure, but I would choose a DW specialist over Colt. They are just a better gun and hold their value/easier to sell.
I am aware that the Kimber FPB may have timing issues but from what I've read and my own experience the Colt system works well.
sidewaysil80
12-06-20, 19:35
Please elaborate on your comment regarding the Colt series 80 system. Where did you find your information regarding possible timing issues?
The safety plunger can have timing issues (not fully retract in time) based on slide speed. I had that issue with a colt rail gun that I had changed recoil/mainsprings on. If it was a series 70 that wouldn’t have been an issue. Granted that was an IDPA gun that I tuned for reloads with much lighter springs. But I just don’t see the benefit given the potential for headache. Just google “colt series 80 timing” and there is a bunch of info on the matter.
Are you sure that that springer pro isn't a TRP model? A Springfield Professional represents the penultimate of modern 1911s and would put it up against any custom shop that uses in spec parts in the country. If you found a Springfield Professional for $1480, don't buy it and send me the name of the company so I can chastise them for putting that filth out there for such a high price.
Are you sure that that springer pro isn't a TRP model? A Springfield Professional represents the penultimate of modern 1911s and would put it up against any custom shop that uses in spec parts in the country. If you found a Springfield Professional for $1480, don't buy it and send me the name of the company so I can chastise them for putting that filth out there for such a high price.
I have a Pro already. The Springer is a railed TRP. I was asking about pros and cons of the TRP vs the Colt CQB.
Well I went ahead and ordered the Colt CQB, heading this way. I waited a day too long so spent another $130.00.......The TRP may be on the radar for Christmas...........Staccato............it was easier when I had 6 Glock 19's and 6 AR's.
Some of us may be interested to learn why you made your decision, since I don’t think anyone suggested the Colt.
I stumbled across a CCU for $700 a few years ago, and still think I should have bought it. At well over a grand, Colts lose their appeal to me.
Some of us may be interested to learn why you made your decision, since I don’t think anyone suggested the Colt.
I stumbled across a CCU for $700 a few years ago, and still think I should have bought it. At well over a grand, Colts lose their appeal to me.
The Govt. CCU that I have is very smooth, reliable, and accurate. Quite honestly my past Colts all had a lot of work to be as good. I've got a friend that wants my CCU/OCC and is willing to work something out with his TRP. I'll have to give a bit but I have less in the OCC than he does in the TRP, which is why I was talking about Christmas. Also, I believe the Colt is a lot harder to find so I'll give it a shot.
I shot 1911's as a young child till 1999 when I had to switch to Glock. As a young cop my custom 1911's were worth selling at the time with 2 young kids, wife, house payment, etc. As I'm older I can afford them now is the real answer. I'll end up with one or two others over time. At the end of the day you buy what you think is best for you, same reason I owned Larues, Colts, BCM, Noveske, and frankenguns.
You're right about people not recommending the Colt, but my question was what are the pros or cons to the Colt CQB vs. TRP.
You can't go wrong with a TRP, DW or Stacatto. I own them all and all are awesome.
PB
I'm glad you got a good TRP, but IME they are as hit or miss as other SAI guns.
Not a TRP or SAI hater (I have 3, a TRP, an older MC Operator and one of the LB Operators with RMR) but they are the three good ones / best guns out of about a dozen SAI's over the years.
Your best chance of getting a good 1911 out of the gate at this time is Dan Wesson. Current Stacatto 2011's are great guns but I don't know anyone with serious round counts on their single stack guns.
I have a trp op that I bought back in 14 I think. That gun is as solid as they come. It’ll almost shoot as accurate as my wilson elite. The trigger is a little heavier, not quit as smooth as the wc but I can’t complain about it, it’s differences as minuscule.
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indianalex01
06-07-21, 17:12
The Govt. CCU that I have is very smooth, reliable, and accurate. Quite honestly my past Colts all had a lot of work to be as good. I've got a friend that wants my CCU/OCC and is willing to work something out with his TRP. I'll have to give a bit but I have less in the OCC than he does in the TRP, which is why I was talking about Christmas. Also, I believe the Colt is a lot harder to find so I'll give it a shot.
I shot 1911's as a young child till 1999 when I had to switch to Glock. As a young cop my custom 1911's were worth selling at the time with 2 young kids, wife, house payment, etc. As I'm older I can afford them now is the real answer. I'll end up with one or two others over time. At the end of the day you buy what you think is best for you, same reason I owned Larues, Colts, BCM, Noveske, and frankenguns.
You're right about people not recommending the Colt, but my question was what are the pros or cons to the Colt CQB vs. TRP.
I highly recommend the Colt CQBP M45A1. I have a custom shop version. Amazing. I’ve had a TRP but I had FTF issues so I sold it. I like the TRP’s and am thinking about getting a stainless version.
The person the brought up the series 80 timing issue??? I’ve never seen that. When people start messing with internals then you better know what you are doing. That’s the cause of issues. Series 80 is great. The regular blue case version is about on par with a TRP. The custom shop version is closer to the Professional model. Blue case M45A1 is a line built Gun just like the springer TRP.
The model Colt you posted is from Colt's Custom Shop. The TRP is a production pistol. Not a comparison of equals.
I have had 9 Springfields and have kept 3 - 2 Mil Specs and one very limited edition Springfield Combat Operator. It came out of SACS and has tool steel innards. All 3 are great shooters, with one of them having had some work done by John Hammond. The single most accurate 1911 I have ever owned was a TRP Operator.
I have had a lot of Colts, and I would disagree that they are not good. They have been very good, and two of them (a Gunsite Commander which came from the CCS and my CCU CCO) have been great pistols, very near equal to DW in quality and better in accuracy.
People mention DW. I have had 3 DWs, one of which was a custom Silverback (the other two were a Valor and a Heritage). They are really good pistols but not great. I would echo what has been said about STI. I would take a STI over a DW every time.
You are open to something around $2K? Look at Les Baer. Find a used Alchemy Custom Weaponry 1911, and you will be hard pressed to ever see a reason to spend more.
indianalex01
06-07-21, 23:52
The model Colt you posted is from Colt's Custom Shop. The TRP is a production pistol. Not a comparison of equals.
I have had 9 Springfields and have kept 3 - 2 Mil Specs and one very limited edition Springfield Combat Operator. It came out of SACS and has tool steel innards. All 3 are great shooters, with one of them having had some work done by John Hammond. The single most accurate 1911 I have ever owned was a TRP Operator.
I have had a lot of Colts, and I would disagree that they are not good. They have been very good, and two of them (a Gunsite Commander which came from the CCS and my CCU CCO) have been great pistols, very near equal to DW in quality and better in accuracy.
People mention DW. I have had 3 DWs, one of which was a custom Silverback (the other two were a Valor and a Heritage). They are really good pistols but not great. I would echo what has been said about STI. I would take a STI over a DW every time.
You are open to something around $2K? Look at Les Baer. Find a used Alchemy Custom Weaponry 1911, and you will be hard pressed to ever see a reason to spend more.
Wow. You have a nice collection. I am actually thinking about a Springer railed Pro. Darn they are pricey though at 3400 Hundy
I highly recommend the Colt CQBP M45A1. The regular blue case version is about on par with a TRP. The custom shop version is closer to the Professional model. Blue case M45A1 is a line built Gun just like the springer TRP.
Mine is in a blue case but has the CCS 7 stamped under the grip frame. A call to Colt verified that the initial green boxed CQB's were from CCS but later blue boxed versions are a mixture. I have no idea why some would be and some wouldn't be CCS.
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