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Howdy,
Crazy situation! NOT ME but most experienced shooter I know did it!
We were showing off our pride and joy 1911s. I cleared mine and set it on the table. I watched him clear his and SAW with my own two eyes an empty chamber. I heard him manipulate some how while I was looking away and then BANG! Hole in the floor! At least he pointed it safely!
I was thinking maybe busted extractor and the light made the chamber look empty. I saw him give a sharp look and rotating in the light to see for sure though...I was 4 feet away and know it was 100% empty at that time!
He figured after he cleared it he dropped the mag back in, pulled the slide to check again, released slide chambering a round and then dropped the mag again.... Don't even ask me how or why!
THIS is why I ALWAYS check! If he had handed me the firearm right after I SAW him clear it I would have checked and cleared again. While he was "smart" enough to know to point in a safe direction it could have gone really bad!
I've tried to drill this into friends I instruct to shoot with and will double down. If you clear a firearm 100% and set it down for 1 second you go through the entire check again and do this every time the firearm goes in and out of your hands! I see so many people accept that the guy who had it in their hand cleared it.
We're not perfect and I made numerous non consequential mistakes on a daily basis. We can't treat firearms like a bowl of cereal. Complacency will kill you or someone else! I know I look stupid sometimes triple checking what I just checked but I've searched 5 minutes for glasses that are on top of my head!
I'm so glad I got to see this by an experienced shooter. I got to learn a lesson and it didn't even cost me the $1 .45 ACP is going for nowadays!
Be safe! And keep an eye on those "experts" out there!
I'm going to make it a habit of walking all the ammo out of the room from now on. Not just remove but walk the danged magazines OUT before any admiration is done. Just like when cleaning or dry fire. No ammo nearby!
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I would drive them a block away, leave them in the car and then return home on foot. Just to be sure!
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Seen no less than 4 ND's at GUNSHOWS, (Lubbock, Tx, Tulsa, Cedar Park, Amarillo)--- 3 of those involved people getting shot unfortunately ....Cleaned up the litigation of one from a Gun Shop where 3 customers were wounded in another incident. Serious matters....
I've had it happen. SAFE Direction saved me from anything worse than ringing ears.
I remember getting ready to dry fire while aiming at the light switch, and gave it one last check... DAMN! round in the chamber.
I double and triple check now.
Black_Sheep
02-24-21, 15:04
I had a front row seat for a negligent discharge, fortunately the only victim was my buddy’s Curtis Mathes television. He pointed his new Beretta 9mm at the tv and said f**k you Don Rickles, KABOOM!
I had a front row seat for a negligent discharge, fortunately the only victim was my buddy’s Curtis Mathes television. He pointed his new Beretta 9mm at the tv and said f**k you Don Rickles, KABOOM!
I think Don Rickles got the last laugh on that one!
I was shooting at my local range a few years ago and one of the guys tried to put his pistol back in a shitty uncle mikes holster and shot himself in the leg. It was just me and the range office there. The range didnt have med kit on that range side. I was lucky enough to have a trauma kit in my range bag. Guy was bleeding pretty bad and the range office and I got him stabilized with a torniquete while calling 911. The whole time the guy was bitching at us how it needed a torniquete and then that it was on too tight. I just remember thinking you mf'er here I am trying to save your ass with my trauma kit, of which you had no med gear and proceed to bitch at me.
My brother and I were at a gun show a few years ago and he picked up a rifle to look at and it had a live round in the chamber. The guys manning the booth started checking everything rather quickly. We didn't know if it was on them or some left wing nut job slid a round in and was hoping to cause an issue. Luckily we always check when handling a firearm.
Glad y'all are safe!
I was in a small gun shop when a repairman in the back room let a round out of a M4. Insanely loud where we were at. It must have been unreal to the unfortunate repairman. You wouldn't believe how loud 5.56 is when you let it off inside a building.
(That's why is use a PCC rather than an AR for home protection).
I was in a small gun shop when a repairman in the back room let a round out of a M4. Insanely loud where we were at. It must have been unreal to the unfortunate repairman. You wouldn't believe how loud 5.56 is when you let it off inside a building.
(That's why is use a PCC rather than an AR for home protection).
I've been around other NDs. Not THAT loud at the epicenter for whatever reason.
And loudness is a silly reason to pic a sub standard defense platform. Shit... we had video on the news the other day of two sh1t bags wearing soft armor who shot into a guy's house when he woke up to see what the noise was. Definitely want an M4 in that or any other defense shooting.
Man!
Scary stuff!
Despite being a staunch 2A guy there's clearly people who have no business owning firearms!
I hear about stuff all too often. Recently read a thread here or elsewhere when at public ranges how jack wagons don't follow the rules. Point guns at each other, fire down range when safe time.... I used to belong to Fort Bliss Rod and Gun Club range and witnessed 2 stupid situations in the 6 months I shot there; even on those separated ranges! So I don't shoot at ranges anymore. Lucky enough to spend most of my time in desert SW so go a mile off road against a backstop....
Maybe there should be some incentives for training. I know in AZ it was worth getting CCW license just for expedited 4473 and a bit more latitude on where you can carry. Just thinking out loud...
But again if an "experienced" shooter can pull a stunt like that...
One possible contributing factor is price of ammo has made weekly range trips too expensive. Get out of practice; forget the violence of the BANG to be respected! My buddy has only shot once in the past year! Brand new Les Baer 1911 but can't find ammo to replenish and with social unrest and where he lives I don't blame him. He's in El Paso <1 mile from the border!
Be safe y'all!
I took out my parents tv with a .22lr about 10 years ago doing that... stupid loud because of the surprise. I made it to Best Buy and back with the same TV model in record time though :lol:
I've had it happen. SAFE Direction saved me from anything worse than ringing ears.
I remember getting ready to dry fire while aiming at the light switch, and gave it one last check... DAMN! round in the chamber.
I double and triple check now.
Black_Sheep
02-25-21, 13:44
I was in a small gun shop when a repairman in the back room let a round out of a M4. Insanely loud where we were at. It must have been unreal to the unfortunate repairman. You wouldn't believe how loud 5.56 is when you let it off inside a building.
(That's why is use a PCC rather than an AR for home protection).
Nothing is louder than an unexpected gunshot...
Ha ha. Hilarious and scary at the same time!
I took out my parents tv with a .22lr about 10 years ago doing that... stupid loud because of the surprise. I made it to Best Buy and back with the same TV model in record time though :lol:
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I have been in the elevator of police station in SoCal (no I was not under arrest thank you:p). Had to have been at least a dozen holes in the floor and walls. I was told they do not fix them anymore in hope that it will serve as a warning.
People screw up. It happens. Try to learn from your mistakes. Even better, learn from the mistakes of others. Let them pay the tuition.
There are two types of shooters: those who've had a ND and those who are going to. With proper protocols, you should be able to kick that can down the road indefinitely, but it's still a risk.
Concerning dry fire, I always perform three steps prior to actually dry firing. After removing any loaded mags from the area, I visually inspect, physically inspect with my finger, and audibly state "this weapon is not loaded".
There are two types of shooters: those who've had a ND and those who are going to.
That "SAFE DIRECTION" is huge.
That "SAFE DIRECTION" is huge.
Bingo
LowSpeed_HighDrag
02-26-21, 13:48
I've had an ND. Trigger went dead on a 509 Tactical, luckily I had the gun pointed down range and pulled the trigger to see what was going on and bang, I fired a round up over the berm before I was ready. Dumbest thing I've ever done, I'd take it back if I could. The four firearm safety rules would've easily prevented that.
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