Which sight(s) are you using on your dedicated NV carbine?

[titsonritz]

I'm new to this stuff so I'm still trying to figure is all out, so like the title says what are you using on your night fighting carbines, RDS, Halo, LPVO, irons? A combo or what? How do you set it up?

I'm thinking use my laser/iliminator for passive aiming under NODs and an Aimpoint Micro for when the lights come on. I know this will blend in with tactics so any insights would be appreciated.

[arptsprt]

So, I’m about a year and 1/2 into becoming woke with NV. It’s been life altering. No expert, but learning.

My primary night carbine is a DD MK18 SBR, suppressed. I have been running a T2 as my passive and a DBAL A3 as my active. I don’t love the DBAL but it works. The illuminator sucks. I have a SF IR/WL WML that helps.

I know there are other options like a MAWL or Luna for better illumination and longer distance capabilities but training out to 100 yds with my setup is adequate.

To be honest, I barely use the passive RDS (T2). I train with it but it is more like backup if the laser go tits up. Laser is the shizdizzle on the carbine.

OTOH, the RMR on my Glock 45 night gun pistol is great. But, I’m thinking about a TOR mini but not sure what to do about the WL component.

I’m sure Robert from JRH and other experts will have more/better insight.

EDIT TO ADD: I’m running BNVD.


I'm new to this stuff so I'm still trying to figure is all out, so like the title says what are you using on your night fighting carbines, RDS, Halo, LPVO, irons? A combo or what? How do you set it up?

I'm thinking use my laser/iliminator for passive aiming under NODs and an Aimpoint Micro for when the lights come on. I know this will blend in with tactics so any insights would be appreciated.

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[Eurodriver]

I'm new to this stuff so I'm still trying to figure is all out, so like the title says what are you using on your night fighting carbines, RDS, Halo, LPVO, irons? A combo or what? How do you set it up?

I'm thinking use my laser/iliminator for passive aiming under NODs and an Aimpoint Micro for when the lights come on. I know this will blend in with tactics so any insights would be appreciated.

Passive aiming means no laser.

I run a bunch of guns. They all have Aimpoint micros. Aimpoint Comp M5, a few T2s and a lot of T1s. But like arptspt said I almost never shoot passive. Like 99.99% I use a laser, unless it’s a handgun. Those are all RMRs.

[hotrodder636]

I would really like to get into an NV class sometime this year to learn what I don’t know I need to learn.

[mig1nc]

I just picked up the newish Holosun HE530G-RD. Kind of shaped like an MRO but with a 30mm objective and micro compatible footprint.

This thing has amazing clarity and light transmission with a much better field of view than micros I had been using.

I hope to shoot a night match with it Friday.

My active aiming solution is a full power DBAL.

Metro just revealed their new O2 sight... Man that thing looks amazing. One button NV mode like eotech. Multiple reticules and zeros so you can shoot 300blk and just toggle between sub and super. Me want.


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[titsonritz]

Passive aiming means no laser.

I thought it meant no optic. Thanks for the info.

[titsonritz]

I would really like to get into an NV class sometime this year to learn what I don’t know I need to learn.

That's where I am, I plan to take a NV class with Bill Blowers and Chuck Pressburg this summer.

[Lowdown3]

I find passive aiming easier with dual tubes, but it can be done with a PVS14.

In that vein the easiest setups to use for passive aiming that we own is a M4 with an Aimpoint PRO. We have another M4 that I have a 4X ACOG on with an RMR piggybacked. That works well also.

All have IR lasers on them as well- mostly DBAL-I2 9007 models (IR laser and IR illuminator) as well as Luna ELIR3 IR illuminators for longer distance applications.

[GTF425]

I'm new to this stuff so I'm still trying to figure is all out, so like the title says what are you using on your night fighting carbines, RDS, Halo, LPVO, irons? A combo or what? How do you set it up?

I'm thinking use my laser/iliminator for passive aiming under NODs and an Aimpoint Micro for when the lights come on. I know this will blend in with tactics so any insights would be appreciated.

My work rifle is:

EOTech EXPS 3-0, PEQ-15, M620V. TAPS Sync (V4) controls the light and laser.

Work pistol:

G19 with RM09, X300U.



Without going into tactics, I'm primarily under NODs on approach and we hit with white light.

I would avoid tritium sights on pistols if you plan to shoot under NODs with an RMR. I run plain black pistol irons. TAPS Sync is great; I have a room-filling IR and laser in tandem, or I can run white light with vis laser if I want to. This is handy when wearing a pro mask.

[Defaultmp3]

As others have alluded to, the EOTech provides the best light transmission of any RDS I've tried so far, due to both the holographic technology used, which does not require the same types of lens coatings as projected LED dots, and bears more resemblance to a fighter aircraft's HUD than most other red dot sights available on the market.

Moreover, both the housing size and shape translate to better light transmission as well as field of view--not only is the EOTech's housing and protective outer hood thin, and designed to allow some light to pass through, the rectangular shape (as opposed to circular) means that more light can get "past" the optic housing due to asymmetry between the image intensifier's field of view and the optic. A circular FOV essentially creates a concentric "blockage" that ultimately prevents more light from reaching the image intensifier's objective lens, leading to a darker overall image--even if the optic housing is only "seen" as a blur or shadow, it is still blocking valuable light from reaching the user when placed between the target and shooter.

Night vision compatible EOTechs also not only have the convenient "NV" button that allows you to immediately switch between daylight brightness and passive NV use, but the buttons also "remember" the brightness settings, meaning you don't have to cycle through to find the "right" setting as much as you would on a rheostat dial.

Moreover, the NV-compatible EOTechs have ten brightness settings for NV use, as opposed to the 2-4 that are common on most other dot optics, allowing you to more precisely dial the brightness for your environment and intended use. Having shot passive for quite a while, depending on environment and conditions, I've needed to dial the brightness back to the "bottom" of the NV settings in extremely dark conditions, to actually needing to go into lower visible settings in brighter environments.

Our daylight optics often have 8-12 daylight brightness settings based on variability of conditions, I see no reason why our NV optics should not also. Four is less than ideal, and two pretty much only works for pistol applications.

Different optics have their own advantages and disadvantages, and I use a lot of other optics, including for passive NV use, including T1s and T2s depending on what my particular needs are for that rifle--I am far from saying that the EOTech is the only serviceable optic for passive aiming use.

However, if performance and capabilities for passive NV shooting are the sole consideration, EOTechs are still the best I've used by a wide margin.

~AugeeSource: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Passive-RDS---Which-one-/18-518878/#i5422567

So, for a dedicated night gun, there is a strong argument to be made for the EOTech, I guess. I personally run a CompM5 on a Scalarworks 1.93", as my laser-equipped rifle is intended as a jack-of-all-trades, rather than a dedicated night gun (also have a RAID-X with a TAPS Sync); I might get a dedicated no-light CQB gun down the line, but it seems unlikely for now. I also have adjustable RMRs at 1200 on my LPVO guns, so they are still NVG capable, even though they do not have any lasers yet.

[mig1nc]

Source: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Passive-RDS---Which-one-/18-518878/#i5422567

So, for a dedicated night gun, there is a strong argument to be made for the EOTech, I guess. I personally run a CompM5 on a Scalarworks 1.93", as my laser-equipped rifle is intended as a jack-of-all-trades, rather than a dedicated night gun (also have a RAID-X with a TAPS Sync); I might get a dedicated no-light CQB gun down the line, but it seems unlikely for now. I also have adjustable RMRs at 1200 on my LPVO guns, so they are still NVG capable, even though they do not have any lasers yet.

That's a good point about how night dedicated your guns are.

I'm my case all my guns are NV capable, but only one is NV optimized.


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[crossgun]

At this point I no longer run what I would call dedicated NV carbines but consider them as my primary carbines and they get run as such. Nothing in the set up changes for day or night use. I'm mainly running Aimpoint T2s in the taller Unity Micro Mounts with MAWL's and MODLITEs. I have one rifle set up with an EOTech and full power PEQ15 but it has the least amount of use. Unity Riser under the EO and supported by a Surefire Vampire for additional IR and a MODLITE.

Waiting on a Vortex 1-10 that will get a tall Badger Condition One mount for a 14.5" patrol carbine. I will support it with a MAWL and offset closed emitter RDS of some kind.

[okie]

Unless you're going to try for passive, which I wouldn't recommend, you can use whatever you would normally. My Mk18 upper has a PEQ15A for nods and an Aimpoint with cowitnessed fixed irons. I have a Surefire M600V wired into the PEQ with the dual lead remote.

[titsonritz]

That's a good point about how night dedicated your guns are.

I'm my case all my guns are NV capable, but only one is NV optimized.


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Yes, that is a very good point.

Thank you everyone for your feedback, lots of excellent information.

[utahjeepr]

I wear a 14 over my L (weakhand) eye. On my 10.5 inch I run an Aimpoint M4S, and my PEQ.

I can use both eyes with the cap down on the Aimpoint for a "passive" but it isn't good for much range, and I might as well just hit em with light at that kind of range. Laser vis or IR is also available if I don't care about light/IR discipline. I need to work out better solutions for myself since I am obviously geared up for "young guy" fighting, but I don't fit the demographic. Good thread.

[Alex V]

For passive I have an MRO and I have no complaints. I just got a Scalar Works 1.93 mount so I hope it helps with head position/neck strain. Haven’t had a chance to mount and zero it yet.

Active, is DBAL A3. So far I have done 90% of shooting under NODs using the laser. Mostly because the lower 1/3 mount was just too damn uncomfortable to use.

I’m running DTNVGs so, dual tube.

[Corse]

Source: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Passive-RDS---Which-one-/18-518878/#i5422567

So, for a dedicated night gun, there is a strong argument to be made for the EOTech, I guess. I personally run a CompM5 on a Scalarworks 1.93", as my laser-equipped rifle is intended as a jack-of-all-trades, rather than a dedicated night gun (also have a RAID-X with a TAPS Sync); I might get a dedicated no-light CQB gun down the line, but it seems unlikely for now. I also have adjustable RMRs at 1200 on my LPVO guns, so they are still NVG capable, even though they do not have any lasers yet.

Which mounts are you using with the LPVO and RMR ?

[Defaultmp3]

Which mounts are you using with the LPVO and RMR ?48mm Spuhr mounts (so ~1.89"), with the RMR plates that screw right into the ISMS holes.