View Full Version : I bought a new 6920 yesterday.
I admit I don’t know everything about guns l, but this the first time I’ve seen an A over the MPC on a bolt. I also had to wipe a lot of dirty oil off the entire rifle, it was dripping wet. If I’d shot it before wiping it down, I’d be sprayed with oil. The cage number is on the upper receiver, the barrel, butt stock, and under charging handle.
Good deal. You have a quality piece of hardware, and even if you're already good to go in rifles, it is nice to add one of those to the safe. When the crazy dies down, I'd like to do the same thing.
Congratulations & Happy Easter!
You will get a ton of use outta that AR
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Well I paid $1100 + tax. I’m sure that it go down $200 if the politicians stop threatening a ban on them.
$1100 seems pretty solid regardless of who is in office. Colt has a problem with market fluctuations regarding pricing. When something is sold cheaply, people tend to think that is what an item should always sell for.
Congrats on a great AR, what do you plan to do with it, or how do you plan to outfit it?
The A is a stamp from whoever that is that made the bolt.
The A is a stamp from whoever that is that made the bolt.
Now I know what an 80s Cadillac fan felt like.
It’s still a Colt bolt and IMO you have an AR that’s as good as anything out there.
Especially at that price. You did good.
A lot of people don’t like the new carbine markings but I think they look good. I like simple and the engraving is done nicely.
It’s still a Colt bolt and IMO you have an AR that’s as good as anything out there.
Especially at that price. You did good.
A lot of people don’t like the new carbine markings but I think they look good. I like simple and the engraving is done nicely.
I agree, it was a meant in jest.
$1100 not bad for this market. I've seen 'em priced $1600 online or at gun shows.
I got one 3 years ago. It had a similar thick coating of oil. I blasted all the oil out of it with brake cleaner and cleaned it.
These are good no frills rifles.
I have always wanted a 6920 as a base line rifle to rate all the other rifles against (times and splits) and as a starter rifle for students. I had a Noveske N4 matched gun that was a 6920 clone done by Noveske and had to sell during a divorce unfortunately. Loved that rifle :-(
Happy you got a good one!
I have always wanted a 6920 as a base line rifle to rate all the other rifles against (times and splits) and as a starter rifle for students. I had a Noveske N4 matched gun that was a 6920 clone done by Noveske and had to sell during a divorce unfortunately. Loved that rifle :-(
Happy you got a good one!
I have always wanted a 6920 as a base line rifle to rate all the other rifles against (times and splits) and as a starter rifle for students. I had a Noveske N4 matched gun that was a 6920 clone done by Noveske and had to sell during a divorce unfortunately. Loved that rifle :-(
Happy you got a good one!
I have an early N4 model that Johnny ended up giving me / horse trading. That’s back when they had just started doing the Cross across the upper and lower to show it was manufactured as a complete rifle.
I have always wanted a 6920 as a base line rifle to rate all the other rifles against (times and splits) and as a starter rifle for students. I had a Noveske N4 matched gun that was a 6920 clone done by Noveske and had to sell during a divorce unfortunately. Loved that rifle :-(
Happy you got a good one!
I have an early N4 model that Johnny ended up giving me / horse trading. That’s back when they had just started doing the Cross across the upper and lower to show it was manufactured as a complete rifle.
Johnny Rico
04-11-21, 13:09
Not new, but I have a lightly used 6920 upper headed my way. Should be delivered tomorrow afternoon, I can't wait.
Not new, but I have a lightly used 6920 upper headed my way. Should be delivered tomorrow afternoon, I can't wait.
I’m interested to hear what other uppers you have and how that 6920 compares in feel to those.
I’ve been some comparisons lately and the results are counter to common opinion.
I’m interested to hear what other uppers you have and how that 6920 compares in feel to those.
I’ve been some comparisons lately and the results are counter to common opinion.
What comparisons have you seen? I'd be interested in the data.
Johnny Rico
04-11-21, 15:28
Be happy to share my thoughts, but it'll be a while. Ammo is still thin on the ground here and my stash is uncomfortably low.
6920 is still the gold standard, just because. And it is great to have a nice base gun. I have a base model LMT 10.5 with iron sights and plastic hand guard. It's fun to go back to basics. Had a 6920 like everyone else and sold it like an idiot.
I have others but no baseline models.
PB
$1100 not bad for this market. I've seen 'em priced $1600 online or at gun shows.
I got one 3 years ago. It had a similar thick coating of oil. I blasted all the oil out of it with brake cleaner and cleaned it.
These are good no frills rifles.
I bet you paid a lot less than OP did.
Gave $800 cash for one NIB, out the door guessing about 6 months before Trump won his presidential election. As that election got closer and closer I saw friends pay much more for the same exact rifle. (friends buying from the same exact LGS that I bought mine from earlier in the year)
The guy that bought last before that election paid the most.
Just because you see someone pay a crazy sum of money for something does not mean it is 'worth' that crazy ass sum of money. A good example of this is the current price of primers at places like Gunraper. Just because people are currently bidding and paying $400 (and / or more) for a thousand primers does not mean that is a 'good price'. All it really means is that a desperate / impatient fool was parted with their money. (buying when demand is high and supply is low and paying the 'stupid tax' because of it)
I bet you paid a lot less than OP did.
Gave $800 cash for one NIB...
Just because you see someone pay a crazy sum of money for something does not mean it is 'worth' that crazy ass sum of money.
And conversely, just becasue you got a screaming deal on something, doesn't mean that someone else that paid normal market price is crazy. If you found one for $800, you got a deal.
I bought my 6920 in 1997 when they first came out (22XX serial #), were marked "Law Enforcement Officers Carbine" and were only available on department letterhead for individual purchase, for $749 + tax.
Even years later after the AWB sunset, they were hanging around in local shops for $995. Fast forward 10- 15 years from that to present and adjust for inflation, Covid tax, and election hysteria, and $1100 isn't a bad price.
Hammer_Man
04-13-21, 20:50
Considering I saw used 6920s going for $1,500.00 during the peak of the Covid panic, $1,100.00 seems like a fair deal.
I bought my first personally owned AR, an LE6920 in ‘08 and IIRC it was about $11-1200.
Johnny Rico
04-13-21, 22:55
The closest I'll get to a Colt 6920, a 6920 upper mated to an LMT lower.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51114156527_a7de677196_b.jpg
The closest I'll get to a Colt 6920, a 6920 upper mated to an LMT lower.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51114156527_a7de677196_b.jpg
Ain’t nothing wrong with lmt afaik. Besides it’s the Colt bolts and barrels that have all the secret sauce.
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Congrats on your new Colt! I bought a Turkish pistol that must have been dunked in a barrel of oil before shipping, so I feel your pain. At least it was not cosmoline.
Andy
Johnny Rico
04-14-21, 08:42
Thanks guys. The great thing is the bolt and the barrel are properly marked. :D
davidjinks
04-17-21, 15:50
I just picked up 2 6920s Friday.
Cage code markings: barrel, upper receiver, charging handle, stock.
Hammer is non-notched, marked with an F, trigger is marked with S. Standard GI trigger; not good, not bad.
Barrel is marked with C MP, barrel maker mark on 1 barrel is an R. The other barrel doesn’t have a makers mark. Both barrels were marked with yellow paint mark at the FSB.
Bolt carrier is marked with a C. Bolt is marked with MPC. The bolt markings are very very light. No white paint mark on the bolt.
Front sight base is non-F marked but is marked with the <B>.
Inside of pistol grip is marked F3.
Both rifles are 5 numbers off from each other. Standard Colt from what I’ve seen, comparing these 2 to 2 other LE6920s I have ; 1 was purchased in 2005 (Large pin) and the other was purchased 2016. Heavy CLP on both rifles, definitely test fired judging by the bolt face. Everything else is solid. Hopefully I’ll have range time next weekend.
I just picked up 2 6920s Friday.
Cage code markings: barrel, upper receiver, charging handle, stock.
Hammer is non-notched,
What year stamp on the barrels?
Odd that the hammers are not bastardized.
davidjinks
04-17-21, 18:48
No date marks.
What year stamp on the barrels?
Odd that the hammers are not bastardized.
I just picked up 2 6920s Friday.
Do they still have the famed Colt sear block machined into the lower?
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davidjinks
04-17-21, 19:58
Yes they do.
Do they still have the famed Colt sear block machined into the lower?
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Do they still have the famed Colt sear block machined into the lower?
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They have a high shelf with a web, but they don’t have the hardened steel sear block that was pinned in.
Do they still have the famed Colt sear block machined into the lower?
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They have a high shelf with a web, but they don’t have the hardened steel sear block that was pinned in.
I’ve been seeing Colts sell in the $1200-1400 range locally. They are selling, but most seem to want $700 rifles for whatever reason.
I have 6920s from the “LE only” era up until the last one which was 2018 or 2019. I’ve been tempted to pick up a few more just because, but I may hold out for the return of the $800 Colts.
I’m glad to hear many of the newer rifles are living up to expectations. Many complained in ‘19/‘20.
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the AR-15 Junkie
04-18-21, 09:46
I’ve been seeing Colts sell in the $1200-1400 range locally. They are selling, but most seem to want $700 rifles for whatever reason.
I have 6920s from the “LE only” era up until the last one which was 2018 or 2019. I’ve been tempted to pick up a few more just because, but I may hold out for the return of the $800 Colts.
I’m glad to hear many of the newer rifles are living up to expectations. Many complained in ‘19/‘20.
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Remember, it wasn't that many years ago you could go to Walmart, buy some eggs, bacon, 5.56 and an $800.00 Colt all at the same time lol?
Remember, it wasn't that many years ago you could go to Walmart, buy some eggs, bacon, 5.56 and an $800.00 Colt all at the same time lol?
The good ole days. I actually bought steak, ammo, beer, and a Colt in one trip.
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I’ve been seeing Colts sell in the $1200-1400 range locally. They are selling, but most seem to want $700 rifles for whatever reason.
I have 6920s from the “LE only” era up until the last one which was 2018 or 2019. I’ve been tempted to pick up a few more just because, but I may hold out for the return of the $800 Colts.
I’m glad to hear many of the newer rifles are living up to expectations. Many complained in ‘19/‘20.
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My oldest 6920 upper is from ‘04, my newest is from ‘20, I have a bunch from the years between and they’re all the same quality as far as I can tell.
I even have one with an unmarked upper, unmarked carrier, with only a cage code barrel and MPC bolt. It’s the same as the ones with all the markings.
Most important thing to me is that these uppers just do everything right. Even though they’re the horrible, terrible, disgusting carbine gas, 16”, they’re soft shooters and they’re the last to show pressure signs.
I delivered forty 6920's to a local PD last week.
davidjinks
04-20-21, 16:57
A couple pictures I took. Definitely not a professional photographer.
https://i.imgur.com/lyjmkQM.jpg
Newer style safety with the cutout on the opposite side.
https://i.imgur.com/4Ftfm35.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mDRGlyU.jpg
Notice no S mark on the safety. I’m not sure, but last time I checked Schmid had the contract for certain small parts for Colt and the safety is one of the.
https://i.imgur.com/wE7Wy30.jpg
Square forge, cage code marked upper.
https://i.imgur.com/tus755a.jpg
Standard Colt stakes.
https://i.imgur.com/5tg2srX.jpg
Cage code marked CH.
https://i.imgur.com/sZRUfov.jpg
Cage code marked stock.
https://i.imgur.com/Us7Lpkb.jpg
That is an R mark. I can’t get the camera to focus on it for some reason.
https://i.imgur.com/41JChVq.jpg
M4 marked upper receiver.
https://i.imgur.com/echOsjo.jpg
davidjinks
04-20-21, 16:57
Another double tap
The only thing different from mine is an A stamped on the barrel, looks like yours is an R.
I think Colt/CZ has re-release the LE6960 as a CR6960 now.
davidjinks
04-20-21, 18:11
Definitely an R. Camera wouldn’t focus.
My other CR6920 doesn’t have a makers mark on the barrel. Just the standard cage code, M P, 5.56 1/7.
The only thing different from mine is an A stamped on the barrel, looks like yours is an R.
A couple pictures I took. Definitely not a professional photographer.
https://i.imgur.com/lyjmkQM.jpg
Newer style safety with the cutout on the opposite side.
https://i.imgur.com/4Ftfm35.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mDRGlyU.jpg
Notice no S mark on the safety. I’m not sure, but last time I checked Schmid had the contract for certain small parts for Colt and the safety is one of the.
https://i.imgur.com/wE7Wy30.jpg
Square forge, cage code marked upper.
https://i.imgur.com/tus755a.jpg
Standard Colt stakes.
https://i.imgur.com/5tg2srX.jpg
Cage code marked CH.
https://i.imgur.com/sZRUfov.jpg
Cage code marked stock.
https://i.imgur.com/Us7Lpkb.jpg
That is an R mark. I can’t get the camera to focus on it for some reason.
https://i.imgur.com/41JChVq.jpg
M4 marked upper receiver.
https://i.imgur.com/echOsjo.jpg
My Colt safety selectors that I received from Brownells about a month and a half ago are the old style with no tick mark on the right hand side. And so are the ones that I just received today from G&R Tactical... They are also black oxide finished instead of phosphate like they used to be, but they all have the (S) mark.
The one that came on your new 6920 is clearly phosphate finished.
Newer Colt bolt catches purchased through Brownells also appear to be black oxide finished.
I admit I don’t know everything about guns l, but this the first time I’ve seen an A over the MPC on a bolt. I also had to wipe a lot of dirty oil off the entire rifle, it was dripping wet. If I’d shot it before wiping it down, I’d be sprayed with oil. The cage number is on the upper receiver, the barrel, butt stock, and under charging handle.
Congrats!
A couple pictures I took. Definitely not a professional photographer.
https://i.imgur.com/lyjmkQM.jpg
Newer style safety with the cutout on the opposite side.
https://i.imgur.com/4Ftfm35.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mDRGlyU.jpg
Notice no S mark on the safety. I’m not sure, but last time I checked Schmid had the contract for certain small parts for Colt and the safety is one of the.
https://i.imgur.com/wE7Wy30.jpg
Square forge, cage code marked upper.
https://i.imgur.com/tus755a.jpg
Standard Colt stakes.
https://i.imgur.com/5tg2srX.jpg
Cage code marked CH.
https://i.imgur.com/sZRUfov.jpg
Cage code marked stock.
https://i.imgur.com/Us7Lpkb.jpg
That is an R mark. I can’t get the camera to focus on it for some reason.
https://i.imgur.com/41JChVq.jpg
M4 marked upper receiver.
https://i.imgur.com/echOsjo.jpg
Very nice. Congrats!
A couple pictures I took. Definitely not a professional photographer.
You swap out the trigger and FCG pins or was it like that?
You swap out the trigger and FCG pins or was it like that?
Looks like a Geissele Super Dynamic variant.
davidjinks
04-20-21, 20:00
I swapped out the GI trigger with a Geissele SD-C as well as the Magpul BUIS with a KAC 200-600M Micro BUIS.
You swap out the trigger and FCG pins or was it like that?
Looks like a Geissele Super Dynamic variant.
Was pretty sure it was not a Colt but... Here lately they do seem to be tossing a lot of different parts into their rifles with very little consistency.
I like it. I think the engraving is nicely done and looks better than the last 6920s with the logo rollmarked and the rest engraved.
Even though they’re the horrible, terrible, disgusting carbine gas,.
My 6920 has me rethinking gas system length wisdom for mixed suppressed/unsuppressed use.
Here lately they do seem to be tossing a lot of different parts into their rifles with very little consistency.
I’m seeing that also.
My 6920 has me rethinking gas system length wisdom for mixed suppressed/unsuppressed use.
I’m seeing that also.
What’s your thoughts?
I’ve never shot anything but 10.3 and 14.5” carbines suppressed. I don’t own a rifle suppressor so my experience is limited.
Damn, you guys know more about Colt " marks cages, S marks....." than I have in a million years. Colt stays under the microscope with you guys.
PB
Damn, you guys know more about Colt " marks cages, S marks....." than I have in a million years. Colt stays under the microscope with you guys.
PB
Haha I don't know how people keep up with Colt's nomenclature. A schizophrenic with an obsession for numerology could probably come up with a less confusing system.
Double tap, so here's a random picture from my computer :D
https://i.imgur.com/T5iOVw7.jpg
From now on every time it double taps I'm going to post a random picture. I just pray they fix the issue before I get to the nudes...
davidjinks
04-21-21, 16:45
I don’t really follow too much. Comparing past and present examples is pretty easy. Colt is pretty much the only manufacturer I own, sans a Daniel Defense and a KAC here and there.
Damn, you guys know more about Colt " marks cages, S marks....." than I have in a million years. Colt stays under the microscope with you guys.
PB
I just bought one of these as well. I’ll pull it out and compare markings. I also bought one of the 20 in A4 clones. I’m not impressed with the triggers. Both are CR prefix guns.
davidjinks
04-22-21, 08:51
I just changed out the other GI trigger. It made me remember why I hated those things. I was able to hang the rifle off my finger by the trigger and it wouldn’t break.
Geissele SSA or SD-C are my go to replacements.
I just bought one of these as well. I’ll pull it out and compare markings. I also bought one of the 20 in A4 clones. I’m not impressed with the triggers. Both are CR prefix guns.
everready73
04-22-21, 09:28
$1099 at Kentucky Gun Co if anyone looking. Pretty good price in these times
https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=156999
So if I'm understanding right, this is the new model designation that's being released under CZ's leadership? Description says it's a "CR6920."
The CR6920s have been available for quite a few months.
Ain’t nothing wrong with lmt afaik. Besides it’s the Colt bolts and barrels that have all the secret sauce.
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What is the Colt secret sauce that sets it apart from LMT or DD or BCM?
What is the Colt secret sauce that sets it apart from LMT or DD or BCM?
If we knew what the sauce is, it wouldn’t be a secret.
What is the Colt secret sauce that sets it apart from LMT or DD or BCM?
Yea, I do love me some Colts, but I don't see Colt better than BCM or LMT. That's the trifecta in AR15's IMHO. But they do use some special Colt lube or mfg process that gives them a distinct smell, and I like it lol.
PB
It’s G96. BCM uses it too. It’s better than new car smell.
Colt bolts and barrels are the deal. I think they do chambers and bores better than anyone else for some reason.
16” 6920 Colt vs 16” carbine BCM I have? The BCM cycles harder, beats up brass, and shows more pressure signs than the Colt.
I’m not sure about LMT’s 16” carbines, but I’m leery of anything in that configuration that’s not a Colt. Seems like a mid-gas is a lot more tolerant of whoever made it kind of barrels.
It’s G96. BCM uses it too. It’s better than new car smell.
Colt bolts and barrels are the deal. I think they do chambers and bores better than anyone else for some reason.
16” 6920 Colt vs 16” carbine BCM I have? The BCM cycles harder, beats up brass, and shows more pressure signs than the Colt.
I’m not sure about LMT’s 16” carbines, but I’m leery of anything in that configuration that’s not a Colt. Seems like a mid-gas is a lot more tolerant of whoever made it kind of barrels.
I didn’t know BCM made carbine length 16” uppers. What is the gas port size? Colt is around 0.062.
I didn’t know BCM made carbine length 16” uppers. What is the gas port size? Colt is around 0.062.
I don’t know. I’ve never taken it apart. I’m running it with an A5H3, same as my 6920s and it doesn’t seem overgassed.
Yea, I do love me some Colts, but I don't see Colt better than BCM or LMT. That's the trifecta in AR15's IMHO. But they do use some special Colt lube or mfg process that gives them a distinct smell, and I like it lol.
PB
If you know, you know.
Did some shooting this afternoon. Noticed that my BCM won’t drop Pmags. The same mags dropped fine from a couple of Colt lowers.
My opinion? BCM is not on par with Colt.
davidjinks
04-24-21, 19:18
I own nothing BCM; but I think that’s a bit of a stretch to say that.
I had a Colt LE6920 that had to be returned to Colt due to a manufacturing defect. Does that mean Colt is not on par with Colt? Slightly facetious, but I think you get the point.
Did some shooting this afternoon. Noticed that my BCM won’t drop Pmags. The same mags dropped fine from a couple of Colt lowers.
My opinion? BCM is not on par with Colt.
That’s the lower. It also lets the buffer hit the buffer retainer when it cycles, and it’s harder on brass/shows pressure signs worse than the 6920s I have.
My sample of one isn’t even close to a Colt.
I own nothing BCM; but I think that’s a bit of a stretch to say that.
I had a Colt LE6920 that had to be returned to Colt due to a manufacturing defect. Does that mean Colt is not on par with Colt? Slightly facetious, but I think you get the point.
Unfortunately that's exactly what it means, at least for most of Colt's history. I think the LE6920s are generally a sure thing though. It's unfortunate you got a bad one. I know they can be slow, but it sounds like they did take care of you?
There was a thing a couple years ago where BCM lowers had trouble with Gen 3 PMAGs. That said, as much as I like Colts, I've never considered Colt on par with BCM.
Colt is the lowest acceptable grade AR in my opinion, behind BCM, DD, Centurion, Scionics, LMT, and KAC. You can rely on them with your life, but you can get better quality for more money. That said, I'd never feel under equipped with one.
There was a thing a couple years ago where BCM lowers had trouble with Gen 3 PMAGs. That said, as much as I like Colts, I've never considered Colt on par with BCM.
Colt is the lowest acceptable grade AR in my opinion, behind BCM, DD, Centurion, Scionics, LMT, and KAC. You can rely on them with your life, but you can get better quality for more money. That said, I'd never feel under equipped with one.
By what metric? The LMT/KAC enhanced stuff sure, but it's also three times the price.
By what metric? The LMT/KAC enhanced stuff sure, but it's also three times the price.
It really depends on what you want! An LMT MRP is a bit heavy for me but, if you want to stack clip-on optics it is hard to beat. Barrel//caliber swaps are also pretty easy.
KAC products are a bit like saying a Porsche 911 is finished too nicely, is too reliable, and is much faster than you really need. My Mod 2 LPR is a real honey of a rifle and I would NOT trade it for three 6920's.
indianalex01
04-25-21, 08:59
I’ve been seeing Colts sell in the $1200-1400 range locally. They are selling, but most seem to want $700 rifles for whatever reason.
I have 6920s from the “LE only” era up until the last one which was 2018 or 2019. I’ve been tempted to pick up a few more just because, but I may hold out for the return of the $800 Colts.
I’m glad to hear many of the newer rifles are living up to expectations. Many complained in ‘19/‘20.
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Many complained about 19/20??? I’ve not heard that one. That was a great era for Colt 6920. Always someone trying to say this crap.
indianalex01
04-25-21, 09:10
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indianalex01
04-25-21, 09:15
There was a thing a couple years ago where BCM lowers had trouble with Gen 3 PMAGs. That said, as much as I like Colts, I've never considered Colt on par with BCM.
Colt is the lowest acceptable grade AR in my opinion, behind BCM, DD, Centurion, Scionics, LMT, and KAC. You can rely on them with your life, but you can get better quality for more money. That said, I'd never feel under equipped with one.
You have to love the back handed compliment with the over used line “That said”. There is always one on a Colt thread bashing. “It’s the lowest acceptable grade in my opinion” but give no reasons. BCM...lol. Wow
Many complained about 19/20??? I’ve not heard that one. That was a great era for Colt 6920. Always someone trying to say this crap.
I can’t verify actual problems that people had, but guys complained that sometimes the bolts and barrels weren’t clearly indicative they were Colt MPI/HP, etc. as well as bolts and carriers with no indication they were actually made by Colt. Some questioned if the dealer didn’t steal the BCGs and replace them with Anderson. Then the typical cosmetic complaints of bad rollmarks, poor finish, finished that didn’t match, etc.
A dealer local to me speculated that Colt was buying parts from other companies and slapping guns together and not QC’ing the outsourced parts. He told me he wouldn’t buy a Colt made in that era. He did have one on the shelf and demonstrated the differences vs the older Carbines he personally owned. Did those things make it a bad gun? I cannot say for sure, but it did appear a Colt from ‘19 was different than Colts from years prior.
I’m personally in the market for a few of them myself if the new ones are good to go. I want to equip my household with 6920s as a good basic carbine and set them all up the same with a red dot sight, a white light, and a descent side-mounting sling. I really wish the sling mount was still factory-equipped.
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It really depends on what you want! An LMT MRP is a bit heavy for me but, if you want to stack clip-on optics it is hard to beat. Barrel//caliber swaps are also pretty easy.
KAC products are a bit like saying a Porsche 911 is finished too nicely, is too reliable, and is much faster than you really need. My Mod 2 LPR is a real honey of a rifle and I would NOT trade it for three 6920's.
You have to separate features from build quality though. Colts are quality through and through. That's why they last so long, are so accurate, and are really the only SBRs that hold up well enough to trust your life with. To get something better you have to completely leave the milspec platform, and arguably the AR platform entirely.
I can’t verify actual problems that people had, but guys complained that sometimes the bolts and barrels weren’t clearly indicative they were Colt MPI/HP, etc. as well as bolts and carriers with no indication they were actually made by Colt. Some questioned if the dealer didn’t steal the BCGs and replace them with Anderson. Then the typical cosmetic complaints of bad rollmarks, poor finish, finished that didn’t match, etc.
A dealer local to me speculated that Colt was buying parts from other companies and slapping guns together and not QC’ing the outsourced parts. He told me he wouldn’t buy a Colt made in that era. He did have one on the shelf and demonstrated the differences vs the older Carbines he personally owned. Did those things make it a bad gun? I cannot say for sure, but it did appear a Colt from ‘19 was different than Colts from years prior.
I’m personally in the market for a few of them myself if the new ones are good to go. I want to equip my household with 6920s as a good basic carbine and set them all up the same with a red dot sight, a white light, and a descent side-mounting sling. I really wish the sling mount was still factory-equipped.
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That wouldn't surprise me one little bit. Not talking on a massive scale or anything, but I could definitely see an isolated case of a Gunbroker/Armslist dealer doing that. Well, actually I could see several doing it, and turning out thousands of them that way.
You have to love the back handed compliment with the over used line “That said”. There is always one on a Colt thread bashing. “It’s the lowest acceptable grade in my opinion” but give no reasons. BCM...lol. WowYup, I used "that said" twice. Not at all sorry that your vag got sandy because I don't consider Colt the pinnacle of the AR world. It isn't. Grow a pair, reach down deep, and come to terms with reality.
Knowing there are better rifles isn't bashing anything; it's keeping reality in perspective. Try it.
Yup, I used "that said" twice. Not at all sorry that your vag got sandy because I don't consider Colt the pinnacle of the AR world. It isn't. Grow a pair, reach down deep, and come to terms with reality.
Knowing there are better rifles isn't bashing anything; it's keeping reality in perspective. Try it.
It really is, though. Anything that bests a Colt isn't technically speaking an AR anymore, because the parts are so heavily modified that they're no longer interchangeable. As far as an AR that still mostly conforms to the datasheets, at least enough to be interchangeable, Colt absolutely is the pinnacle.
I get what you’re saying. I wouldn’t necessarily say better, I would say there are other more evolved or refined ARs. I have way too many ARs including Colt and other manufacturers but a couple of my favorites are my two Colt 6960 midlengths. And by far one of my most reliable and used in my collection is my LE6920 with the restricted markings I got shortly after sunset of the AWB.
Yup, I used "that said" twice. Not at all sorry that your vag got sandy because I don't consider Colt the pinnacle of the AR world. It isn't. Grow a pair, reach down deep, and come to terms with reality.
Knowing there are better rifles isn't bashing anything; it's keeping reality in perspective. Try it.
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It really is, though. Anything that bests a Colt isn't technically speaking an AR anymore, because the parts are so heavily modified that they're no longer interchangeable. As far as an AR that still mostly conforms to the datasheets, at least enough to be interchangeable, Colt absolutely is the pinnacle.
^This is quite the logical contortion. Using your "logic," can't we also say that a Colt isn't a true Armalite Rifle because it doesn't conform to the original?
I get what you’re saying. I wouldn’t necessarily say better, I would say there are other more evolved or refined ARs. I have way too many ARs including Colt and other manufacturers but a couple of my favorites are my two Colt 6960 midlengths. And by far one of my most reliable and used in my collection is my LE6920 with the restricted markings I got shortly after sunset of the AWB.
^Like I said, they ARE nice. Glad you're enjoying yours.
This is quite the logical contortion. Using your "logic," can't we also say that a Colt isn't a true Armalite Rifle because it doesn't conform to the original?
Like I said, they ARE nice. Glad you're enjoying yours.
That's not what I said. I'm saying out of the standard options Colt is indeed the leader of the pack, and by a large margin. If you have the cheddar by all means spring for an LMT or KAC, but you can't say that Colt is somehow mediocre or lacking compared to other milspec options. It is in fact hands down the best AR on the market currently.
I just bought one of these as well. I’ll pull it out and compare markings. I also bought one of the 20 in A4 clones. I’m not impressed with the triggers. Both are CR prefix guns.
Guessing about 25 yrs ago I took a Colt 20" Hbar of mine to a local gunsmith to have him 'fix' the turd / brick of a trigger it came with. He definitely fixed it. Felt worlds better in all regards. (still does)
Impossible to tell by looking what was done to those parts but they are ALL still the factory parts and have functioned 100% reliably over the many years and several cases of ammo I have fired from that particular rifle.
Having measuring tools now that I did not have back then - I pulled that rifle out a few weeks back and measured the trigger. It was / is a consistent 3 1/4lb pull, and smooth... :)
For comparison: The LE 6920 lowers I have that came with factory triggers looking like this both fell under under 6lbs pull weight out of the box:
https://i.imgur.com/l9oNk14.jpg
The ones that looked like this usually fall around 8ish lbs:
(Factory Colt parts on left)
https://i.imgur.com/STBAzIY.jpg
Yup, I used "that said" twice. Not at all sorry that your vag got sandy because I don't consider Colt the pinnacle of the AR world. It isn't. Grow a pair, reach down deep, and come to terms with reality.
Knowing there are better rifles isn't bashing anything; it's keeping reality in perspective. Try it.
Sorry but that crap was funny... :)
And true... :)
A perfect example is guys buying brand new Colts and swapping parts out before even firing them. Sometimes many parts...
People really need to have a definition of quality for discussion like this.
I define quality as something done right/correctly.
It seems like many define quality as having features they like.
indianalex01
04-25-21, 18:41
Yup, I used "that said" twice. Not at all sorry that your vag got sandy because I don't consider Colt the pinnacle of the AR world. It isn't. Grow a pair, reach down deep, and come to terms with reality.
Knowing there are better rifles isn't bashing anything; it's keeping reality in perspective. Try it.
Nobody said they were the best. Colt is a solid rifle. Stop talking about men’s nuts and growing them. Keep your sexual preferences for men out of the gun thread. Nobody cares. Stay on the gun topic as hard as it is for you.
Nobody said they were the best. Colt is a solid rifle. Stop talking about men’s nuts and growing them. Keep your sexual preferences for men out of the gun thread. Nobody cares. Stay on the gun topic as hard as it is for you.Whatever you say cupcake. Ironic that everything you just accused me of, you yourself just did. Also ironic that you're now agreeing with what I originally wrote about Colts, that got you all queefy. I'm getting the impression that you've never been accused of being the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Nobody said they were the best. Colt is a solid rifle. Stop talking about men’s nuts and growing them. Keep your sexual preferences for men out of the gun thread. Nobody cares. Stay on the gun topic as hard as it is for you.
I did, and by a large margin, too. And I stand by it.
indianalex01
04-25-21, 21:15
I did, and by a large margin, too. And I stand by it.
I am a fan of Colt. Always have been. Georgeib is a waste of time wannabe BA. every forum has him. Tough talk keyboard commando. Just looking to pick an argument.
Aside from that waste of feces of a guy, colt has served me well for many years. There are a lot of great AR’s but colt sets the standard.
indianalex01
04-25-21, 21:23
The 6920 EPR is another great rifle. A modernized 6920. 6920 is a great rifle. 6721 is another great one. They just run. Not finicky at all. Just a solid war rifle.
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