View Full Version : GEISELLE SUPER 42 BRAIDED WIRE, Rifle sized
One of our shooting Buddys had an extra one of these G 42 braided springs laying around and I asked him about it. Said whats the deal bla bla bla? He said it was supposed to make the "Boing" go out of the rifle gassed AR's and that weird recoil impulse you get with a 20 inch rifle AR and improve reliability and longevity.
The gun was already reliable but maybe it would improve if the gun was very dirty or I ran shitty ammo. But the felt recoil impulse was completely different, it felt better, faster and no weird noises coming from buttstock. That never really bothered me but I have to admit I really liked the new and improved impulse and complete elimination of weird noises. Big improvement for a mostly nice but not necessary product.
If your 20 inch rifle gun bugs you with its impulse and weird noise, these springs are GTG and they probably do more that I discovered on one outing. I was impressed.
PB
Oh so now the stock rifle/A5 feels bad and isn’t reliable enough? Ha. And it ‘sOuNdS wEiRd’.
Lofl.
Oh so now the stock rifle/A5 feels bad and isn’t reliable enough? Ha. And it ‘sOuNdS wEiRd’.
Lofl.
Let me quote myself " Big improvement for a mostly nice but not necessary product".
PB
So you made it cycle faster with a stiffer spring. But the whole draw of the rifle/A5 is better feel/reliability because it cycles slower. But cycling faster is better as long as it’s it’s a super spring and not a crummy regular spring?
Got it.
Have you shot a rifle with one of these? https://www.ar15tactical.net/buffers/Olympic%20Arms%20AR-15%20Pneumatic%20Recoil%20Buffer%20AC4.jpg
The noise isn't an issue, not sure what it purportedly fixes. The carbine version has a higher spring rate, the rifle version likely does as well, it caused my heretofore reliable test gun to fail to lock back after the last round, and made the take down pin impossible to push in/pull out without a tool. My theory is the spring pushed the BCG and in turn, the upper forward.
Went back to the original configuration, then to A5, never experienced anything like it since. Mess with the harmony of the system, expect weird results. I have developed a great deal of respect for the original 50s and later, 80s A2 designs, not everything needs to be changed.
So you made it cycle faster with a stiffer spring. But the whole draw of the rifle/A5 is better feel/reliability because it cycles slower. But cycling faster is better as long as it’s it’s a super spring and not a crummy regular spring?
Got it.
Hey 17 lost in space. Show where I said anything about an A5. I run A5's in all my carbines. I was just testing a spring a buddy gave me in a 20 inch rifle with regular rifle spring and I liked it. If you don't, fine don't run try it.
No reason to be butt hurt because someone likes something you may or may not like. It's nice not necessary. The sun will come up tomorrow if you don't run one. I promise.
PB
I put a super 42 on a build with a faxon 14.5” mid length barrel and it wouldn’t reliably cycle .223,only wanted to cycle 5.56,put a regular carbine spring and h buffer back in it and it ran fine.i guess it only suited to over gassed applications? Your mileage may vary.
Hey 17 lost in space. Show where I said anything about an A5. I run A5's in all my carbines. I was just testing a spring a buddy gave me in a 20 inch rifle with regular rifle spring and I liked it. If you don't, fine don't run try it.
No reason to be butt hurt because someone likes something you may or may not like. It's nice not necessary. The sun will come up tomorrow if you don't run one. I promise.
PB
It’s not a case of not liking what you like.
It’s a case of you shot a few rounds through a gun with a different spring and all of a sudden it’s supposed to fix all the now supposed issues with the rifle spring when all that spring does is move away from what makes the rifle spring better.
Interesting. I find the 20" rifle the most pleasant to shoot.
I didn't say it fixed anything, I said I liked what it did to my gun. I didn't say the gun needed it. I just said I liked it. You are trying to make more out of what I said vs what I actually said.
I will bow out with that, I don't do this bickering on something that just doesn't matter, simply an observation and opinion. Many will have different ones and they are entitled but not worth arguing over on the interweb.
Pappabear out.
If your 20 inch rifle gun bugs you with its impulse and weird noise, these springs are GTG and they probably do more that I discovered on one outing. I was impressed.
PB
The JP tuned / polished centerless ground springs do pretty much the same thing. The 'sproing' sounds goes away completely and the feel when cycling is noticeably more smooth.
It is a noticeable enough difference for me to keep a drawer stocked with them and run them in pretty much everything I have rifle length or carbine.
Straight Shooter
04-18-21, 23:24
I didn't say it fixed anything, I said I liked what it did to my gun. I didn't say the gun needed it. I just said I liked it. You are trying to make more out of what I said vs what I actually said.
I will bow out with that, I don't do this bickering on something that just doesn't matter, simply an observation and opinion. Many will have different ones and they are entitled but not worth arguing over on the interweb.
Pappabear out.
Its to the fvckin point you cant report anything here anymore without somebody criticizing,mocking, or some other BS.
Now, as to the spring...I understand how it could feel different, when I installed the Tubbs .308 flat Spring in my 20" rifle..that too feels totally different..and better..than a stock RS.
Never hurts to try something, especially free.
Let's start the week off right, bigger fish to fry.
bamashooter
04-19-21, 07:02
I have a Windham 20" govt model. The only changes are mounting a scope and upgrading the trigger. Out of the box, wonderfully accurate, smooth as a BB gun, no boing. Though I consider it heavy with the 2" cantilever and scope, the difference between it and my carbines / pistols is amazing. No longer young, I definitely wouldn't want to hump it for any length of time or distance.
I have one but not currently in the carbine. I used it for a while with complete reliability with a Colt SOCOM barrel and Colt BCG. It seemed to me that is was a little stiffer feeling when hand cycling the action. I didn't notice or hear any sound difference, not that is bothered me. I do notice a difference with the JP captured recoil spring assembly in terms of smoothness of cycling both by hand and when shooting. I notice it more when I use the retro-723 carbine with the standard set up. I removed the buffer retaining pin on the rifle with the JP unit.
I have one but not currently in the carbine. I used it for a while with complete reliability with a Colt SOCOM barrel and Colt BCG. It seemed to me that is was a little stiffer feeling when hand cycling the action. I didn't notice or hear any sound difference, not that is bothered me. I do notice a difference with the JP captured recoil spring assembly in terms of smoothness of cycling both by hand and when shooting. I notice it more when I use the retro-723 carbine with the standard set up. I removed the buffer retaining pin on the rifle with the JP unit.
Its to the fvckin point you cant report anything here anymore without somebody criticizing,mocking, or some other BS.
Now, as to the spring...I understand how it could feel different, when I installed the Tubbs .308 flat Spring in my 20" rifle..that too feels totally different..and better..than a stock RS.
Never hurts to try something, especially free.
The whole issue I have with it is that there have been threads going on for YEARS about how the original 20” rifle is the most reliable and softest shooting and this guy finds a fancy spring and now the 20” has an annoying recoil impulse and after less than a day and one outing the reliability is probably even enhanced.
I'm generally not a fan of any aftermarket spring, and the rifle buffer spring noise doesn't bug me. But that said, this spring is REALLY quiet. I popped in the gun after a string of fire with the standard spring, and on the first shot, I didn't think the rifle cycled right.
I can't say I noticed any recoil impulse difference shooting prone, but the noise difference was drastic.
I'm generally not a fan of any aftermarket spring, and the rifle buffer spring noise doesn't bug me. But that said, this spring is REALLY quiet. I popped in the gun after a string of fire with the standard spring, and on the first shot, I didn't think the rifle cycled right.
I can't say I noticed any recoil impulse difference shooting prone, but the noise difference was drastic.
Pretty sure the guys claiming there is no 'sproing' noise don't notice it any longer cause that is all they have ever heard. To them it is normal. (and it is normal for a regular spring)
A guy notices when that sound is NOT present any longer...
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