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Averageman
06-23-21, 12:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66owXqZaexs
Simply beautiful.
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Agree on the e-type.
P2Vaircrewman
06-23-21, 13:44
When I win the powerball.
https://youtu.be/Gs2iBKjjm-M
P2Vaircrewman
06-23-21, 13:45
Double post
For a classic car I vote 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO
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For modern car I vote Pegoni Huyara
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Austin Healy 3000 and Jaguar XK120.
All purely subjective but I like the classic 911 look. (Not the tricked out ones but the classic street 911)
ChattanoogaPhil
06-23-21, 14:37
The most beautiful car?
I don’t know but after the last payment all cars look a lot better.
john armond
06-23-21, 14:43
For the win.
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I have a 64 convertible, and while beautiful, the 63 SWC is more so.
I have a 64 convertible, and while beautiful, the 63 SWC is more so.
I should have been more specific to the 1967 Corvette Stingray Copo 427. If is the most beautiful car to me. You guys can keep your foreign cars.
I should have been more specific to the 1967 Corvette Stingray Copo 427. If is the most beautiful car to me. You guys can keep your foreign cars.
My dream ride is a 69 Yenko COPO Camaro...that L88 was one heck of a power plant in it's day. Miss my 50th anniversary ZL1.
gunnerblue
06-23-21, 16:22
Classic? Mid-sixties Corvettes
Modern? 911
56 Jag XKSS. Steve McQueen's car!
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Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa.
Honorable mentions are the Jaguar E type and the Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66owXqZaexs
Simply beautiful.
That is a stunningly beautiful car, very much in a minimalist sort of way. Not any gimmie gauhs to detract from the smooth lines. 600k pounds it should be.
85 Lamborghini Countach , 55 gull wing mercedes, 64 corvette convertible, 88 mercedes 500 SL, 76 Pontiac Trans Am, 78 corvette stingray, nearly every Ferrari and too many others to name.
titsonritz
06-23-21, 18:34
85 Lamborghini Countach
Always one of my favs.
I'm a big fan of the 1968 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 (https://www.automobilemag.com/news/this-golden-1968-mustang-gt500-is-a-thoroughly-pedigreed-pony-car/) 428 baby!!!
56 Jag XKSS. Steve McQueen's car!
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I would prefer another McQueen car....Sold for $3.4 million fairly recently.
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I would prefer another McQueen car....Sold for $3.4 million fairly recently.
66010That's certainly a nice car but looks like a 2x4 next to me XKSS
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For a classic car I vote 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO
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Definitely this one for me. Proportions, body lines. Has even been legally deemed a work of art
Adrenaline_6
06-23-21, 20:30
No Shelby Cobra?
Adrenaline_6
06-23-21, 20:36
The Ferrari 488 is absolutely sexy.
https://www.gtspiritmedia.com/gtspirit/uploads/2016/05/FERRARI-488-GTB_1.jpg
Thats like asking who's the most beautiful woman. Different is good. I recall the first time I saw an Audi R8 pass me. I was in a big truck and had a good view. I drooled....
Thats like asking who's the most beautiful woman. Different is good. I recall the first time I saw an Audi R8 pass me. I was in a big truck and had a good view. I drooled....
The R8 is nice. The R8 (at least originally) was an Audi bodied Lamborghini... A year ago or two I was at the local Audi dealer for service on my A3 e-tron sportback and there was an R8 that pulled into the parking lot where I was sitting. The sound of it was enough to induce physical changes...
Adrenaline_6
06-23-21, 21:31
Jeremy Clarkson's review of the 488 exhaust note was priceless.
https://youtu.be/TWaDBT9zKwg
No Shelby Cobra?
I was fortunate to get a ride in an original back in HS / the 80's...it chirped in all 4 gears. The breaking was just as incredible.
Pisses me off these new sparky's are gonna start blowing away big carbon fueled HP...instant torque to all 4 tires is hard to overcome. Without the V8 rumble, the romance is gone for me...gonna just have to hold my nose & deal with it. The fact tesla has a reported 0-60 in under 2sec is mind boggling
militarymoron
06-23-21, 23:25
Ferrari 365 GTS/4 Daytona Spyder
https://www.schaltkulisse.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/jap_17911.jpg
Ferrari 365 GTS/4 Daytona Spyder
https://www.schaltkulisse.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/jap_17911.jpg
Aren't those like a million and a half in any condition?
I don't even have to raise; I'm going all in:
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/vExMA/s1/bugatti-centodieci-roadster-rendering.jpg
Been a Lambo man since I saw my first Countach on a matchbox car poster, but Bugatti really hit it with the Veyron, and now this... *swoon*
The only problem is they'll be building a whopping 10 of these.
https://www.bugatti.com/models/one-off-models/centodieci/
Aren't those like a million and a half in any condition?
Or you can get the Corvette conversion like Sonny Crockett drove.
Aren't those like a million and a half in any condition?
more like 3-4 million for a genuine spyder.
militarymoron
06-24-21, 09:55
Aren't those like a million and a half in any condition?
They've gone up and down in pricing over the years, but that's not surprising as only 122 factory ragtops were made. First time I became aware of them (like many people) was from the replica on Miami Vice. Here's a good web page on their pricing history: https://www.classic.com/m/ferrari/daytona/
The new C8 isn't the most beautiful car, or even close, but this one is mine and I took this pic in front of a very iconic building which you should recognize immediately...:D
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Simply beautiful.
No one designs prettier cars than the Brits. The real issues is keeping one actually running. My personal favorite is the Aston Martin Vantage.
No one designs prettier cars than the Brits. The real issues is keeping one actually running. My personal favorite is the Aston Martin Vantage.
I LOVE their David Brown ("DB") series, especially the earlier years. I did not like that abortion of an Aston Martin, the DBS. It was fast, but I think it was just ugly. The DB11 that came out in 2016 thought, is gorgeous.
Lexus LFA. Has the looks, speed, interior, but most importantly the most beautiful sound a production car has ever made. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210624/e0e750862861bb63494a191aa21ca22b.jpg
Ford GT40 - all variants
https://i.imgur.com/Mg1mHo9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TQYvvcr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UBh06GW.jpg
For a classic car I vote 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO
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Black_Sheep
06-24-21, 21:58
Ask 100 people and get 100 different answers...
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The 1961 Aston Martin DB4 Zagato is king of looks for me. With performance factored in I’d take a COPO ‘66-67 Vette coupe. If not for all the clones out there the ‘65 427 Cobra S/C would rule my drool.
The 1957 Jag XKSS could have been the emperor of everything if not for the fugly fixed-place side windows.
I might have to change my vote for most beautiful modern car...
Ferrari 296 GTB has entered the chat
https://www.motorworldhype.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Ferrari_296_GTB_small-800x445.jpg
Lexus LFA. Has the looks, speed, interior, but most importantly the most beautiful sound a production car has ever made. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210624/e0e750862861bb63494a191aa21ca22b.jpg
I doubt it.
Gonna need a video clip as evidence.
I doubt it.
Gonna need a video clip as evidence.
https://youtu.be/hlsg4HSe-Ic
Skip to 1:59 for the rev.
This one too:
https://youtu.be/EigaoIHj2fo
And this one:
https://youtu.be/I0O-Om9XU3Y
But you already knew.
The_War_Wagon
06-25-21, 16:19
I thought we settled this a few years ago?
https://i.ibb.co/0Zy0kPR/mercury-parklane-1964-convertible.jpg
'64 Mercury Parklane convertible
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For most beautiful car ever, maybe the Maira?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210625/b1f055b84c02b8aa64e167fa8314317c.jpg
But if we were talking what would my dream car be... I'm more a fan of Porsche. Big fan of the 993 GT2, and any of the rare limited runs to get into various racing classes such as the 962 and GT1s from the 90s.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210625/3da4f24fe7528cad2502db972c3dc594.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210625/b837a2dbe5b9ebe1bfc6fad7fa6b53b9.jpg
daddyusmaximus
06-25-21, 20:17
Holy crap, I want one... Everybody knows the E type is the most beautiful car ever, but this new one is the shit.
https://youtu.be/hlsg4HSe-Ic
Skip to 1:59 for the rev.
This one too:
https://youtu.be/EigaoIHj2fo
And this one:
https://youtu.be/I0O-Om9XU3Y
But you already knew.
Alright that sounds awesome.
I'd never heard of the car.
Alright that sounds awesome.
I'd never heard of the car.
Sounded like a leaf blower to me but the specs are impressive for sure.
Sounded like a leaf blower to me but the specs are impressive for sure.Not everyone has the same taste I suppose. Especially non- car guys. What (factory stock) car sounds the best to you?
Not everyone has the same taste I suppose. What (factory stock) car sounds the best to you?
That's typical Japanese sound, refined and higher pitched. I much prefer the more throaty sound of a Farrari or older US muscle car.
That's typical Japanese sound, refined and higher pitched. I much prefer the more throaty sound of a Farrari or older US muscle car.Not a fan of F1 exhaust sounds?
militarymoron
06-26-21, 20:30
That's typical Japanese sound, refined and higher pitched.
Don't be stereotypical; not all Japanese women are like the ones you watch in videos. :p
They've gone up and down in pricing over the years, but that's not surprising as only 122 factory ragtops were made. First time I became aware of them (like many people) was from the replica on Miami Vice. Here's a good web page on their pricing history: https://www.classic.com/m/ferrari/daytona/
The new C8 isn't the most beautiful car, or even close, but this one is mine and I took this pic in front of a very iconic building which you should recognize immediately...:D
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WOW. The boathouse at Hereford has really changed.
And when the F did you get a Ferrari? You are living the dream dude. I remember when all you had was a crappy Jeep and had to dig it out of the snow with your SW5.
The_War_Wagon
06-27-21, 06:37
You've all picked a buncha fast "door stops," aesthetically-speaking. :rolleyes: I thought this thread was about "beauty?"
'33 Duesenberg SJ Roadster. :cool:
http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/transport/cars/1933-04-1933-Duesenberg-SJ-Roadster-wall.jpg
TheAlsatian
06-27-21, 06:48
There are many beautiful cars out there but the Porsche base 911 has always been my favorite. I don't care for the hopped up turbos, GTs etc. I had a base 1977 model 911 for many years, before that a 912. Now I have a 1999 911 base that I've had a dozen years.
militarymoron
06-27-21, 09:28
WOW. The boathouse at Hereford has really changed.
And when the F did you get a Ferrari? You are living the dream dude. I remember when all you had was a crappy Jeep and had to dig it out of the snow with your SW5.
Must have been some other dude - I've never owned a Jeep. I ordered the C8 in late 2019 and took delivery in Jan this year. I had sworn off GM products but when the C8 was revealed, I relented.
That's typical Japanese sound, refined and higher pitched. I much prefer the more throaty sound of a Farrari or older US muscle car.
Did you just listen to the revving? Because the revving isnt that great.
The full throttle acceleration sounded very close to a Formula 1 race car.
I prefer the sounds of American V8's, too but I can still drool at the sounds of a Formula 1 car, speed boat, monster truck, or sport bike.
I just love the sound of a powerful, performance-tuned, internal combustion engine.
You've all picked a buncha fast "door stops," aesthetically-speaking. :rolleyes: I thought this thread was about "beauty?"
'33 Duesenberg SJ Roadster. :cool:
http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/transport/cars/1933-04-1933-Duesenberg-SJ-Roadster-wall.jpg
Yea, that's a timelessly good looking car.
They've gone up and down in pricing over the years, but that's not surprising as only 122 factory ragtops were made. First time I became aware of them (like many people) was from the replica on Miami Vice. Here's a good web page on their pricing history: https://www.classic.com/m/ferrari/daytona/
The new C8 isn't the most beautiful car, or even close, but this one is mine and I took this pic in front of a very iconic building which you should recognize immediately...:D
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Your C8 looks good! Maybe it's the color / wheel combo?
The ones I've seen in person just haven't impressed me and that was a surprise. I prefer C6's as far as "best looking". Simple, smooth lines.
It also seems the ones around town leave them in quiet mode or something because I can't here them. Rolled my windows down just to hear one next to me accelerate from a light heading under an overpass...it sounded like any v6 car or minivan and just as quiet.
I guess I've yet to hear one in person over 2500rpm. They just cruise around...
I thought we settled this a few years ago?
https://i.ibb.co/0Zy0kPR/mercury-parklane-1964-convertible.jpg
'64 Mercury Parklane convertible
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Sorry, man. The grille is neat but overall it reminds me of those English wooden speed boats from the 1920's/40's.
Being a convertible just helps it look like it should be floating in water.
Ask 100 people and get 100 different answers...
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I can dig it. More "cool" than "beautiful" but I like it. Good pic.
Definitely this one for me. Proportions, body lines. Has even been legally deemed a work of art
Oh yes. (Ferarri 250)
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Not the prettiest & certainly not the most exotic looking...but arguably the meanest looking & best handling track cars for $$$$.
militarymoron
06-27-21, 10:24
Your C8 looks good! Maybe it's the color / wheel combo?
The ones I've seen in person just haven't impressed me and that was a surprise. I prefer C6's as far as "best looking". Simple, smooth lines.
It also seems the ones around town leave them in quiet mode or something because I can't here them. Rolled my windows down just to hear one next to me accelerate from a light heading under an overpass...it sounded like any v6 car or minivan and just as quiet.
I guess I've yet to hear one in person over 2500rpm. They just cruise around...
Hey, thanks. Yeah, I think wheels make a big difference - I'm not fond of the factory wheels for the C8. The stock wheels aren't flush with the fenders so they don't look very good from the factory. Also, the stock ride height leaves too much wheel gap. I lowered mine 3/4" and to me it's perfect - I don't like the slammed look and wanted function first (no rubbing or bottoming out as I drive in the canyons often). I retained the OEM tires and wheel diameters as I don't like the rubber band look, plus I want some sidewall. I also agree that some color combos don't look that good on the C8, making it look more 'boxy' than it is.
The variable performance exhaust is a factory option (which I have), where you can control the sound. It's still quieter with all the valves open than many of the Challengers or Chargers that I hear driving around, but I like having the option to make it quieter or louder. I dunno - maybe many C8 owners are driving around town in 'tour' mode where the exhaust is at it quietest. Once you open it up past 2500 it produces a nice throaty growl. There's a video that illustrates some of the different modes quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lnkpy89ig
Anyway, here are a few more pics of mine. It's Sebring Orange Tintcoat which is metallic, so it pops in the sun. I also had PPF put on the A-pillars and roof to black them out.
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Grand58742
06-27-21, 10:37
Very subjective question. But there are two that pop out in my mind:
1965 Ford Mustang convertible:
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1965_ford_mustang_convertible_1590090789543b60a419aTED_8513.jpg
Has been and always will be my dream car.
For pure sexy appeal, the Aston-Martin Vanquish Volante S convertible in either black or the blue shown here:
https://media.wired.com/photos/59267ec4f3e2356fd8009753/master/pass/Aston_Martin_TA.jpg
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Not the prettiest & certainly not the most exotic looking...but arguably the meanest looking & best handling track cars for $$$$.Agreed
The ZL1 ILE is a true track weapon
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Not the prettiest & certainly not the most exotic looking...but arguably the meanest looking & best handling track cars for $$$$.
The 1LE SS is and I nearly bought one but decided I wouldn't want to daily drive it. Went Mustang.
Hey, thanks. Yeah, I think wheels make a big difference - I'm not fond of the factory wheels for the C8. The stock wheels aren't flush with the fenders so they don't look very good from the factory. Also, the stock ride height leaves too much wheel gap. I lowered mine 3/4" and to me it's perfect - I don't like the slammed look and wanted function first (no rubbing or bottoming out as I drive in the canyons often). I retained the OEM tires and wheel diameters as I don't like the rubber band look, plus I want some sidewall. I also agree that some color combos don't look that good on the C8, making it look more 'boxy' than it is.
The variable performance exhaust is a factory option (which I have), where you can control the sound. It's still quieter with all the valves open than many of the Challengers or Chargers that I hear driving around, but I like having the option to make it quieter or louder. I dunno - maybe many C8 owners are driving around town in 'tour' mode where the exhaust is at it quietest. Once you open it up past 2500 it produces a nice throaty growl. There's a video that illustrates some of the different modes quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lnkpy89ig
Anyway, here are a few more pics of mine. It's Sebring Orange Tintcoat which is metallic, so it pops in the sun. I also had PPF put on the A-pillars and roof to black them out.
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Nice job. That takes the car up a couple levels. GM left alot on the table. At the very least they could have used a far better wheel design.
There are a few performance vehicles that look great stock. Some need help from the aftermarket. The C8 needs finishing.
Maybe they saved the good stuff for the next Z06? (Assuming they call it that)
The_War_Wagon
06-27-21, 12:32
Sorry, man. The grille is neat but overall it reminds me of those English wooden speed boats from the 1920's/40's.
Being a convertible just helps it look like it should be floating in water.
My dad bought a Montclair 2-dr. Breezeway brand new in '64. LOVE that bodystyle as well. WHEN I win the Powerball... :rolleyes: ... I plan on buying and restoring several of them. If I could ONLY have one, though, it'd be a Parklane convertible, 427 SuperMarauder and 4spd. toploader. :cool:
Can't find a good pic of my dad's car - artist rendering in the Showroom catalogue for '64. White with a black interior - full power, factory air AND cruise control - only the 2nd year for cruise on the Merc. Had fender skirts, and AM/FM radio, too. Was the 25th Anniversary model. :cool:
https://classiccarcatalogue.com/M/mercury%201964_08_montclair_breezeway.jpg
The 1LE SS is and I nearly bought one but decided I wouldn't want to daily drive it. Went Mustang.
I had the standard ZL1 & actually came to enjoy what I called the 'cockpit syndrome' once I fell into the seat, but understand why some prefer ford for daily / vision...the magride was insanely effective & tour was quite comfortable around town, where you could run over a dime & feel it in track mode. My understanding is the SS 1LE w/ magride suspension was very similar if not the same.
Now the ZL1 1LE is a full blown race package & has a totally different design & will knock your fillings out.
Hey, thanks. Yeah, I think wheels make a big difference - I'm not fond of the factory wheels for the C8. The stock wheels aren't flush with the fenders so they don't look very good from the factory. Also, the stock ride height leaves too much wheel gap. I lowered mine 3/4" and to me it's perfect - I don't like the slammed look and wanted function first (no rubbing or bottoming out as I drive in the canyons often). I retained the OEM tires and wheel diameters as I don't like the rubber band look, plus I want some sidewall. I also agree that some color combos don't look that good on the C8, making it look more 'boxy' than it is.
The variable performance exhaust is a factory option (which I have), where you can control the sound. It's still quieter with all the valves open than many of the Challengers or Chargers that I hear driving around, but I like having the option to make it quieter or louder. I dunno - maybe many C8 owners are driving around town in 'tour' mode where the exhaust is at it quietest. Once you open it up past 2500 it produces a nice throaty growl. There's a video that illustrates some of the different modes quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lnkpy89ig
Anyway, here are a few more pics of mine. It's Sebring Orange Tintcoat which is metallic, so it pops in the sun. I also had PPF put on the A-pillars and roof to black them out.
66024 66025 66026 66027That's a great looking car and a cool color combo you have there. I was a bit surprised when they announced going to a mid engine.
Not as much any more but I had been into watching a lot of LeMans. Been cool to see the improvements made over the years since the Ron Fellos days.
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I had the standard ZL1 & actually came to enjoy what I called the 'cockpit syndrome' once I fell into the seat, but understand why some prefer ford for daily / vision...the magride was insanely effective & tour was quite comfortable around town, where you could run over a dime & feel it in track mode. My understanding is the SS 1LE w/ magride suspension was very similar if not the same.
Now the ZL1 1LE is a full blown race package & has a totally different design & will knock your fillings out.
The Mustang I got is my first Magneride car. It does as advertised.
I also find myself on the interstate in an inch of water and 305 mm + wide tires aren't good for that. Additionally a set of quality, water-channeling tires that fit gen 6 SS 1LE's is about $1500 and wont last that long.
The tires were the main issue for me.
Yup...1LE versions come track w/ competent tires & at least the SS are harder than the ZL1. I only got 6k miles out of my gy supercar's & no way would they ever get wet. The ZL1 1LE are only good for half that with the full blown track compound.
It was pretty common on camaro6 to see SS 1LE & ZL1 owners who daily drove to have two sets of rubber...not only for the rain aspect, but to get reasonable wear.
Business_Casual
06-27-21, 18:07
I’ve always liked Cadillacs, the Chapparal 2E, but the GT40 (original) is a head turner.
The_War_Wagon
06-27-21, 18:20
I’ve always liked Cadillacs
https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1932_Cadillac_Series370BV121.jpg
https://barrettjacksoncdn.azureedge.net/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/20580/20580_Side_Profile_Web.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4130/5190880105_1af6abd983_b.jpg
militarymoron
06-27-21, 18:34
Nice job. That takes the car up a couple levels. GM left alot on the table. At the very least they could have used a far better wheel design.
There are a few performance vehicles that look great stock. Some need help from the aftermarket. The C8 needs finishing.
Maybe they saved the good stuff for the next Z06? (Assuming they call it that)
Thanks man. Totally agree - the factory stock C8 does need some tweaking. I guess in order to offer the base model at that <$70k price, they had to leave some room somewhere. I'm curious as well, what the Z06 is going to be like. It looks like it's going to be at least another year before it comes out.
That's a great looking car and a cool color combo you have there. I was a bit surprised when they announced going to a mid engine.
Not as much any more but I had been into watching a lot of LeMans. Been cool to see the improvements made over the years since the Ron Fellows days.
There have been 9 mid-engine prototype Corvettes since 1960 that led to the C8, so it's been on their mind for a while. I'm a first time 'Vette owner and it was the mid-engine that brought me over. Looks like they're trying to target a slightly different demographic, and it's been working so far. Speaking of Ron Fellows, I attended the Ron Fellows Corvette Owner's school two weeks ago at Spring Mountain in Nevada. Great instruction and really learned a lot about the C8 and how to drive it. Well worthit, especially since it's subsidized heavily for new C8 owners.
P2Vaircrewman
06-28-21, 11:00
Having owned a 1965 Corvette roadster in 65 and a 1998 coupe the 65 is a more fun car on the highway. You can get the 65 up to it limits on public roads, something you can't do safely with the 98. Limits of the 98 were scary. Most fun I ever had in a car was when I raced dirt track, 90 mph tops on a 3/8 mile track but on the limit the whole time.
Must have been some other dude - I've never owned a Jeep. I ordered the C8 in late 2019 and took delivery in Jan this year. I had sworn off GM products but when the C8 was revealed, I relented.
Geeze, don't get old. I confused you with the individual who runs Military Arms Channel. And as a result my "boathouse" joke probably went over your head.
My poor old brain. Nice car regardless.
militarymoron
06-30-21, 16:39
Geeze, don't get old. I confused you with the individual who runs Military Arms Channel. And as a result my "boathouse" joke probably went over your head.
My poor old brain. Nice car regardless.
LOL - I knew where the boathouse reference came from but was wondering why you referred to the wrong movie. You do recognize the building in the photo, right? ;)
LOL - I knew where the boathouse reference came from but was wondering why you referred to the wrong movie. You do recognize the building in the photo, right? ;)
I feel like I should know but I don't recognize it.
militarymoron
06-30-21, 17:21
I feel like I should know but I don't recognize it.
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MM,
How did GM do with the firewall keeping the heat from the mid creeping into the cab?? Curious how it would do after spirited driving during these hotter months.
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Could have been worse. I was afraid it was one of the Dade County Federal buildings and I didn't recognize it. I totally didn't recognize Nakatomi.
militarymoron
06-30-21, 17:49
MM,
How did GM do with the firewall keeping the heat from the mid creeping into the cab?? Curious how it would do after spirited driving during these hotter months.
I haven't noticed any heat coming from the rear of the cab, and I've been driving quite a bit in the canyons. I also spent two days at the Ron Fellows school at Spring Mountain in Pahrump a few weeks ago, and it was 105°F during the day. We had 5 track sessions and other exercises over the two days. I had the AC on and was very comfortable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a front engine car be more challenging to insulate from the cabin since the airflow would carry some of that heat rearwards? I was thinking that with a mid-engine, the air flows in from the sides and out the rear vents, but then the engine is closer in proximity to the driver's body. Maybe it's a wash. I don't know - good question.
All I know is that this was a concern for interested buyers when the C8 was announced, which I saw on the ZL1 sub-forum on camaro6...there were several enthusiasts concerned (most obviously wealthy) with a barn full of various sports cars foreign & domestic who said it was an issue. Apparently mid-engines have / had a reputation for making you back sweat?? Thinking about it, maybe it would be more stop & go that would cause this vs spirited. Anyway, just curious & maybe an issue of yesteryear now fixed.
Would be kinda cool to know your firewall construction just for giggles & how it may compare to a front engine make up.
militarymoron
06-30-21, 22:31
I haven't noticed any heat coming from the rear, and I'm only using the AC at about 20% to keep the cabin cool. Also remember that there are no hot exhaust pipes or a hot transmission running through the middle tunnel of the car to heat the cabin up. The glass separating the cabin and engine compartment is 9mm thick for noise and heat insulation. It's actually a bit too quiet in the cabin for some who want to hear the engine more. Next time I go for a drive I'll put my hand on the firewall behind the seat to see how warm it is.
Updated 7/5/21 - I went for a few long drives this past weekend in the canyons and in traffic. I completely forgot to put my hand on the firewall to see how hot it got. That's how much of a non-issue the heat is, lol. It isn't even enough to remind me to check. :p
I'll try to remember the next time I'm out again.
Updated 8/10/21 - Remembered to check the firewall for heat while driving and I didn't feel anything at all. The carpet was cool to the touch. No discernible heat coming from the engine compartment into the cab.
militarymoron
06-30-21, 22:35
Could have been worse. I was afraid it was one of the Dade County Federal buildings and I didn't recognize it. I totally didn't recognize Nakatomi.
It's just one of those images/buildings from the movies that really stuck in my memory. Die Hard is one such movie, as is the Bradbury Building from Blade Runner (which is also one of my favourite sci-fi movies of all time).
I haven't noticed any heat coming from the rear, and I'm only using the AC at about 20% to keep the cabin cool. Also remember that there are no hot exhaust pipes or a hot transmission running through the middle tunnel of the car to heat the cabin up. The glass separating the cabin and engine compartment is 9mm thick for noise and heat insulation. It's actually a bit too quiet in the cabin for some who want to hear the engine more. Next time I go for a drive I'll put my hand on the firewall behind the seat to see how warm it is.
That's been a common Vette complaint for years. I had Z06 exhaust on my C5 and it just didn't thrill the ear that much, even with the top down.
The C7 Z06 was an orchestra of throaty goodness...sorta weird & while similar was a little different than the ZL1 with the same LT4. Musta been minor differences in the exhaust.
Adrenaline_6
07-01-21, 15:24
That's been a common Vette complaint for years. I had Z06 exhaust on my C5 and it just didn't thrill the ear that much, even with the top down.
Usually a set of Flowmaster's fixes that problem.
militarymoron
07-01-21, 15:40
Usually a set of Flowmaster's fixes that problem.
Yup, there are quite a few aftermarket exhausts out now that sound great. They do have the C8 tax, though and are more $$$ than I'd want to pay, especially those which retain the adjustable valves. I like having the option of quiet/louder with the NPP exhaust, and while it would be nice to have the exhaust a bit louder in the canyons, I like it quiet when I'm cruising on the freeway listening to music. I've had loud exhausts in the past (one which had bad drone at cruising rpms so I installed a resonator - it was too much even when I was young) and lean more towards the less window-rattling levels in my older age :)
Even so, the startup bark of the C8 is loud enough such that I have to start it up with the garage door closed when going out on early drives as I don't want to wake the neighbors.
I read a thread where someone had figured out a way to manipulate the npp as to where it would keep the exhaust note closed / quiet on start up...something about pushing start without your foot on the brake & then going into the drive modes?? I never messed with it but know what you mean on cold start up.
militarymoron
07-01-21, 18:04
I read a thread where someone had figured out a way to manipulate the npp as to where it would keep the exhaust note closed / quiet on start up...something about pushing start without your foot on the brake & then going into the drive modes?? I never messed with it but know what you mean on cold start up.
'Tour' mode is by default the quietest exhaust mode, and that's what startup defaults to (I've also tried what you just wrote - turning on the car in service mode then selecting a drive mode, then actually starting the engine. Still the same cold start bark and cat warmup high revs for the first 30 seconds or so). I think that to change that you'd have to reprogram the startup configuration. Sorry for the thread drift!
Adrenaline_6
07-01-21, 22:15
Yup, there are quite a few aftermarket exhausts out now that sound great. They do have the C8 tax, though and are more $$$ than I'd want to pay, especially those which retain the adjustable valves. I like having the option of quiet/louder with the NPP exhaust, and while it would be nice to have the exhaust a bit louder in the canyons, I like it quiet when I'm cruising on the freeway listening to music. I've had loud exhausts in the past (one which had bad drone at cruising rpms so I installed a resonator - it was too much even when I was young) and lean more towards the less window-rattling levels in my older age :)
Even so, the startup bark of the C8 is loud enough such that I have to start it up with the garage door closed when going out on early drives as I don't want to wake the neighbors.
I totally understand. I drove a '69 Z28 RS with a 406c.i. small block daily for a few years. It had 4.10 gears, a dual 2 1/2 exhaust with Flowmasters, 12.5:1compression and a solid lifter cam with 306 duration and a .550 lift. It also had a 3500rpm stall converter.
The drone on the freeway was LOUD. I still have fond memories of that lopey idle. The exhaust tips were routed at a downward angle behind the rear tires. At idle that compression would actually kick up dust in a parking lot. I don't think I could handle it very long now, but boy did that thing make you smile when you were young.
The drone on the freeway was LOUD.
I put flowmasters on a family suburban because I wanted a low back pressure exhaust. Huge mistake, the drone at certain RPMs was deafening.
It was resonance, not a normal throaty exhaust sound. I believe (as do some others) it's a core design issue that they could engineer out if they wanted to without increasing back pressure or changing the throaty sound.
I'm gonna be honest here. Flowmaster in the 90s was cool. Maybe early 2000s as well. They are cheap aluminized steel mufflers that sound good at WOT. The 2,3,4 chambers are outdated tech. If you want exhaust that sounds great and doesn't drone, look at a Borla cat-back system or a like competitor.
The_War_Wagon
07-02-21, 16:09
https://i.ibb.co/g3MNsNB/cherry-bombs.jpg
Unless you've got some 4-banger foreign shitbox, that sounds like a fartmobile. :rolleyes:
Dynomax glasspacks also sound GREAT here. :cool:
http://youtu.be/kkFHKDBoAuQ
https://i.ibb.co/g3MNsNB/cherry-bombs.jpg
Unless you've got some 4-banger foreign shitbox, that sounds like a fartmobile. :rolleyes:
Dynomax glasspacks also sound GREAT here. :cool:
http://youtu.be/kkFHKDBoAuQNot bad, but in my subjective opinion, not good. Not a fan of drone at highway speed either. It'll wear you out.
The_War_Wagon
07-02-21, 17:30
Not bad, but in my subjective opinion, not good. Not a fan of drone at highway speed either. It'll wear you out.
I've been stuck in the South Hills of Pittsburgh for 19 years now - stop signs and stop lights, every 5'. :rolleyes: I don't even know why my trucks have transmissions with more than a 1st gear.
I MISS highway drone - that's a SELLING POINT to me. ;)
Adrenaline_6
07-02-21, 17:52
I'm gonna be honest here. Flowmaster in the 90s was cool. Maybe early 2000s as well. They are cheap aluminized steel mufflers that sound good at WOT. The 2,3,4 chambers are outdated tech. If you want exhaust that sounds great and doesn't drone, look at a Borla cat-back system or a like competitor.
They sounded great at idle too. WOT was absolutely awesome. Not liking the drone...I get that though.
I've been stuck in the South Hills of Pittsburgh for 19 years now - stop signs and stop lights, every 5'. :rolleyes: I don't even know why my trucks have transmissions with more than a 1st gear.
I MISS highway drone - that's a SELLING POINT to me. ;)FTN. Might as well just drive an old crown vic with open headers. I couldn't live without being able to open it up as often as I wanted. I feel for you man. I really do.
Adrenaline_6
07-02-21, 18:19
Good sound comparisons.
https://youtu.be/1rM8MnU0k1s
Yup, there are quite a few aftermarket exhausts out now that sound great. They do have the C8 tax, though and are more $$$ than I'd want to pay, especially those which retain the adjustable valves. I like having the option of quiet/louder with the NPP exhaust, and while it would be nice to have the exhaust a bit louder in the canyons, I like it quiet when I'm cruising on the freeway listening to music. I've had loud exhausts in the past (one which had bad drone at cruising rpms so I installed a resonator - it was too much even when I was young) and lean more towards the less window-rattling levels in my older age :)
Even so, the startup bark of the C8 is loud enough such that I have to start it up with the garage door closed when going out on early drives as I don't want to wake the neighbors.
No "Quiet Start" mode? Even a Mustang has that. 😁
militarymoron
07-03-21, 13:53
No "Quiet Start" mode? Even a Mustang has that. ��
Nope. Wish it had that option for a stealth exit out of the garage and neighborhood. Here are a couple of vids showing the C8's cold start. It does this no matter what mode it's in. It's just a loud initial bark that quietens down after about half a minute (unless you change it to the valve-open mode immediately).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUQIxh3rrpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNDHE3RRD4w
So in addition to a handful of Ferraris over the years that made me drool, I was completely smutten (that's like "smitten," only dirtier) with the 2017 Mustang GT350s that I owned, white with the blue stripe. I HATED mustangs as a kid, the 5.slow was a particularly hated rival at the dragstrip although they always sounded better than anything GM was turning out at the time. The GT350 though looked great from every angle, sounded absolutely terrific; from the cold start bark that happened with the exhaust still in the "open" position from the last time you drove it, all the way to the 8,250 redline. That 5.2 liter V8 with the flat plane crank setup made for an unusual sound, like chewbacca at lower revs but just glorious at higher ones. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWhUV14Qi0fCG2ZLBaLMwEfcqU8xepePKpq4h5FaWio_NorqY2eYzrfGX1_wE1Qa7xGHJ0Cw4rAXBe4wyEv67ZW-yRD4PtuPPuDaTlQk9Zm1XSLDdXAaOli_VSX-8gCHR0XcHSdhYP9yIPR4Nf0hm3eGQ=w917-h590-no?authuser=0
And an honorable mention to the C7 ZO6 and ZR1 that were just sinister in black...
The_War_Wagon
07-04-21, 21:18
It was a concept car, but the Packard Predictor was unveiled at the '56 Detroit Auto Fair - 2 years before the Breezeway Lincoln Continental debuted, & 7 years before the full-size Mercury breezeways debuted. Built on the Clipper chassis, I'd rock one all day long if I could.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB196Ygj.img?h=1086&w=1598&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f
http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Packard/56-Packard_Predictor-DV-15-AI_02.jpg
https://www.autoblog.nl/gallery/0_Divers/Packard_Predictor/Packard_Predictor_11.jpg
https://www.bloglet.com/gallery/packard-automobile-the-dream-predictor/predictor2.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/0d/b7/420db7fa2f3d2fdae88bdbf561bdba38.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/www.formtrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/packard-predictor-concept_1956_01.jpg?fit=960%2C720&ssl=1
Of course, the mid-late '50's Packards that they did produce, looked pretty damn fine, too!
https://bestcarmagz.net/sites/default/files/1957-packard-patrician-1308027-4067016.jpg
https://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/116308/116308_Front_3-4_Web.jpg
P2Vaircrewman
07-06-21, 11:44
My automotive taste has evolved over the years, from sport cars to this.
I am not a Mustang guy, but I do love my neighbor's car, a Mustang Saleen S302 Black Label. I have no clue how much they cost, but the deep, throaty, vibrating engine is beautiful.
The_War_Wagon
07-06-21, 13:28
My automotive taste has evolved over the years, from sport cars to this.
I'm down with that.
Wouldn't mind having PT-829 back there either, to cruise the three rivers with. :cool:
Good on Lambo...12cyl goodness.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/lamborghini-aventador-ultimae-internal-combustion-hybrid
My automotive taste has evolved over the years, from sport cars to this.WhileI like sports cars, I have been thinking all along if I wanted to spend the money on the kind of cars being discussed I would just want a factory new Toyota Land cruiser FJ-60. And also a factory new Pinzgauer 710M.
While I think that something like the GT40 is really cool, I don't really have any desire for one. I'd rather have several interesting cars that I can play with and use then an exotic.
If I had to pick beauty then for me it's early '70s 911S, pre whale tail.
But I'm a form-follow function guy, that's why I think Series land rovers, land cruisers, etc are beautiful in their own ugly way.
Adrenaline_6
07-10-21, 18:21
But I'm a form-follow function guy, that's why I think Series land rovers, land cruisers, etc are beautiful in their own ugly way.
We are in agreement! My work in progress!
https://i.imgur.com/5nP6Cvo.jpg
Business_Casual
07-10-21, 18:38
Love the black wheels look, very cool.
Arggghhh, I hate this question. For me it's a tossup between a '65 GTO and a Ferrari GT250 Lusso:
https://i.imgur.com/22hgtGl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x7HT6FX.jpg
Adrenaline_6
07-12-21, 13:15
Love the black wheels look, very cool.
Thanks! Want to put armor underneath, front and rear bumpers, change to 34-35" tires and 17" or 18" wheels, modify the AHC suspension to get another 1" of lift. Won't do it for awhile though. It is in Low mode in this picture and will drop into Low mode every time the vehicle is turned off automatically and go back to Normal height mode once you go above 9mph. It really helps my wife get in and out of the car easier (spinal cancer).
https://youtu.be/kZnJRPWoRGM
LFA. More of a why it's so good.
Averageman
08-10-21, 18:32
I had a brief romance with Mustang GT's.
It was a sickness, that I am glad I am over. I had two horrible experiences.
1) The person in the car beside me door dinged me and then dragged a stroller down the side of my car. I go out and my Cherry red paint job has the paint scratched to the primer. I was so mad I was toxic for about 24 hours.
2)I was sleeping and got "That Call". My Son was in Austin with friends and didn't trust them to drive home. Off I go, in a near typhoon. The traction in a Mustang isn't the best on a good day. I skated 70 miles to Austin. White knuckles all the way.
Having my second come to Jesus moment with a sports car, I gave up and bought a Taco. Got the last year before the body style changed.
I'm good with that.
The_War_Wagon
08-10-21, 22:49
Awwwww yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... :cool:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hqA0BeSJsi8/WPp-AI4idNI/AAAAAAAA29g/33QoX7FdrjU3Gt2O751u4pZUlIPuyeY3gCLcB/s1600/ass.png
The Auburn Speedster (1935–37), and the Cord 810/812 (1936–37) became famous for their advanced engineering as well as their striking appearance. The Auburn Boattail Speedster was powered by a 4.6L straight eight that, with the popular supercharger option (150 hp), could top 100 mph (160 km/h).
At a time when Cadillac was competing directly with Rolls-Royce and its most powerful engine managed 90 horses, the Auburn put out 115 and topped 100mph.
The Depression, coupled with Cord's stock manipulations, spelled the end of the company and production ceased in 1937. :(
Awwwww yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... :cool:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hqA0BeSJsi8/WPp-AI4idNI/AAAAAAAA29g/33QoX7FdrjU3Gt2O751u4pZUlIPuyeY3gCLcB/s1600/ass.png
That generation of high end autos is just flat out SEXY. Gimme a Duesenberg SJ. I love the reliability, creature comforts, and amenities of modern rides. But for lookin at? Those 30's luxury sports can't be beat.
Awwwww yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... :cool:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hqA0BeSJsi8/WPp-AI4idNI/AAAAAAAA29g/33QoX7FdrjU3Gt2O751u4pZUlIPuyeY3gCLcB/s1600/ass.png
These are simply gorgeous.
Being just a bit more form follows function, I have to admit my favorite pre-war has to be a Blower Bentley:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0030/4024/7854/products/1929_Bentley_Birkin_Blower_1-8_Scale_model_car_1080x.jpg?v=1573029116
But I have to admit that even though the function is as good as ever coming out of Crewe, the form has improved dramatically, hence my favorite "beauty" car right now is:
https://ourautoexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2020_Bentley_Continental_GT_V8_18.jpg
Just can't decide if I like the orange better than tradition?
https://supervettura.azureedge.net/blobs/Cars/119/2d939111-a57e-43a7-b85f-36e010cedc8d.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&mode=crop
I like the Continental but I'd rather have the Flying Spur 12 cylinder.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210811/9b5622223ac7163bc78f436907c694e9.jpg
I like the Continental but I'd rather have the Flying Spur 12 cylinder.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210811/9b5622223ac7163bc78f436907c694e9.jpg
If a Desert Eagle .50 AE was a sedan...
Doesn't do anything for me. Outrageously expensive, powerfull, comfortable, box on wheels.
titsonritz
02-01-22, 00:22
double tap
titsonritz
02-01-22, 00:22
A lot of beautiful cars here. Right down the road from me. I need to do a tour one of these days. Definitely one of the most impressive collections out there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cIDqAfOpwA&t=351s
polydeuces
02-04-22, 10:07
Was hoping you meant E-type. Glad to see it is. Its just.....heart-stoppingly beautiful.
When I was a youngster growing up in NL on the Dutch German border I had a friend who came from some means and was a really bad influence, he happened to have an E-type, somewhat beat up but running just fine.
So on many Summer-Saturdays after closing down the local bars we'd pile 5-6 people in his hotrod (honestly its possible - boys n girls getting really familiar ;-) and made our way across the border to Germany, a 20 minute drive where 'Das Disco' was open till 5 am, 'Das Bier' was better end the 'Frauleins'were....nice.....
I think of these times whenever I see an Etype. And yearn for them.
NickySantoro
02-04-22, 12:13
Most beautiful ever was a completely restored 1932 Packard Phaeton that I saw at a show many years ago. Most beautiful in a more modern era would be the Jag XKE coupe. The most beautiful I've owned was a '67 Mustang fastback that I bought new and had for a year until I got drafted.
The_War_Wagon
02-04-22, 12:39
https://www.facebook.com/100024960764582/videos/477832130625629/
Once I win the Powerball & can buy all the '64 Mercurys I want, I'm definitely building a retro stocker out of one!
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