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Grand58742
08-04-21, 08:19
A little early, but a lot of moving and shaking out there during this offseason.
The 12 team playoff will be intriguing and a possible "fix" to only four. We'll see how that shakes out
The announcement of Texas and OU leaving the Big 12 and joining the SEC has sent shockwaves through the major programs. I'd tend to think the ACC, Big 10 and Pac-12 are certainly looking at what programs are left that could be additions to their respective conferences.
Notre Dame is probably looking at joining a conference as well if the others go on a "hiring spree."
The Name Image Likeness court decision certainly makes both recruiting and player development far more interesting. It'll be interesting to see how that affects the game when you have significant egos at stake like a certain starting quarterback for Oklahoma that I won't name that's already charging $150 for each autograph and selfie he takes with fans,
I feel like it'll be another Bama-Clemson-everyone else year, but with upsets as usual.
Notre Dame will go ACC if they go anywhere. They are already all-ACC in pretty much everything except football, and they were attached with ACC for football last year.
Conference realignment, all about money, not about anything else. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer. Not sure how to make the opportunity for play-offs equitable, but it probably never will be.
Not feeling strong about Clemson this year. Okla State is pretty loaded. It might be their year.
Me, I will be happy if either of my alma maters (Duke, East Carolina) get 6 wins, so....
P2Vaircrewman
08-04-21, 09:54
LSU's projected starting quarterback Miles Brennan fell down stairs and broke his arm and is indefinitely unavailable. He missed most of last season with a rare abdominal injury. The boy is fragile, a clutz or unlucky.
I kinda feel sorry for all the decent kids that busted their asses and gambled on the dream, but F football. A bunch of woke ass bitches done ruined it for everybody. I could give a flying F about any sports at this point higher than little league and H.S. As far as I'm concerned they can eat the damn shoes they are schilling, they ain't getting my money or my attention.
Averageman
08-04-21, 11:39
I kinda feel sorry for all the decent kids that busted their asses and gambled on the dream, but F football. A bunch of woke ass bitches done ruined it for everybody. I could give a flying F about any sports at this point higher than little league and H.S. As far as I'm concerned they can eat the damn shoes they are schilling, they ain't getting my money or my attention.
Hooahhh!
I kinda feel sorry for all the decent kids that busted their asses and gambled on the dream, but F football. A bunch of woke ass bitches done ruined it for everybody. I could give a flying F about any sports at this point higher than little league and H.S. As far as I'm concerned they can eat the damn shoes they are schilling, they ain't getting my money or my attention.
I am trying to understand all sides of the name/likeness/image debate. I see positives and negatives. Not sure it's a 'woke' thing, more of an 'economics' thing. The whole NCAA needs to just go away but I am not naive enough to think that a multi-headed monster won't just take its place.
Grand58742
08-04-21, 13:17
I am trying to understand all sides of the name/likeness/image debate. I see positives and negatives. Not sure it's a 'woke' thing, more of an 'economics' thing. The whole NCAA needs to just go away but I am not naive enough to think that a multi-headed monster won't just take its place.
Having talked to a former college athlete about it, I can understand the "why" behind it and even see it from their point. Universities and others make millions based on a "Mayfield #6" or "Manning #16" jersey or whatever and the athletes don't really have a say or get their cut save the scholarship and associated benefits. Yeah, that's a big deal, but at the same time, when a university is profiting on their likeness or name, it is a bit unfair.
But at the same time, you're going to have people like that arrogant little shit in Norman that really go overboard with it and charge for autographs and selfies. It'll do little more than alienate potential fans.
Like you, I think the NCAA has run its course and really isn't relevant as a governing body any longer. Honestly, if the little birds I hear chirps from are correct, they may end up losing the P5 league colleges in another few years anyway as they go out and start their own governing body. Facing facts here, the SEC, Big 10, Pac-12 and ACC have the power to do just that and the money will follow them.
Grand58742
08-04-21, 13:51
On the conference realignments... Supposedly, the Big 10 has already been whispering to Kansas and Iowa State. Neither adds a great deal to the Big 10 save KU at basketball (may Bill Self get trampled by a herd of rabid possums) and ISU brings a football program on the rise and a decent Olympic sports program. But... both are AAU accredited which makes the job easier.
But the Big 12 was also in "talks" with the Pac-12 about a "scheduling alliance" or something to the effect. The Big 12 is effectively dead if they lose anyone else like KU and ISU. it's just a matter of what teams are left without a chair when the music stops and where they land.
Coming from a huge Bama fan, for years I haven’t been at all liking the sway the SEC and ESPN have. Why don’t they just offer ALL the division 1 teams in the US a spot in the SEC? [emoji23]
It’s getting less and less about regional rivalries anyway. So why not just have one big mega conference owned by ESPN where everybody can kiss the ring and get those big dollas in return? Coaches would no longer have to recruit really. They could all feed from the same trough.
In the name of equity, it all must be fair for everyone involved! [emoji23]
As far as likenesses go, I give it less that a year and it will be a circus. Already is practically.
FWIW, wasn't talking about NIL when I talked about "woke" shit. Just the woke shit, kneeling and thug life matters support, ...
NIL I think is a bad idea for the student athletes. But college ball is BIG BUSINESS. I think it's a short ride to big money from schools and alums and corrupt programs. I think somebody needs to look out for these young men but it ain't gonna happen. That said a lot of money is made on their backs. It's complicated and NIL is the easy answer. Therefore it's bound to be wrong, easy answers always are.
FWIW, wasn't talking about NIL when I talked about "woke" shit. Just the woke shit, kneeling and thug life matters support, ...
NIL I think is a bad idea for the student athletes. But college ball is BIG BUSINESS. I think it's a short ride to big money from schools and alums and corrupt programs. I think somebody needs to look out for these young men but it ain't gonna happen. That said a lot of money is made on their backs. It's complicated and NIL is the easy answer. Therefore it's bound to be wrong, easy answers always are.
Copy that. Maybe I misunderstood. To this, I totally agree with you.
Having talked to a former college athlete about it, I can understand the "why" behind it and even see it from their point. Universities and others make millions based on a "Mayfield #6" or "Manning #16" jersey or whatever and the athletes don't really have a say or get their cut save the scholarship and associated benefits. Yeah, that's a big deal, but at the same time, when a university is profiting on their likeness or name, it is a bit unfair.
But at the same time, you're going to have people like that arrogant little shit in Norman that really go overboard with it and charge for autographs and selfies. It'll do little more than alienate potential fans.
Like you, I think the NCAA has run its course and really isn't relevant as a governing body any longer. Honestly, if the little birds I hear chirps from are correct, they may end up losing the P5 league colleges in another few years anyway as they go out and start their own governing body. Facing facts here, the SEC, Big 10, Pac-12 and ACC have the power to do just that and the money will follow them.
As much as I'd like to see equality of opportunity for all football programs, it ain't gonna happen. So I wish the P5 and G5 would go their own ways, and play 'non-group' teams like the out of conference games, maybe each 'group' have their own championship. We do it now with DII/III. Then P5 would have a champion, G5 would have its own champion, DII/III, etc.
Lincoln Riley to USC and Brian Kelly to LSU!
NYH1.
Lincoln Riley to USC and Brian Kelly to LSU!
NYH1.
As I understand it, USC bought out Riley's house in OK $500k above market, giving him $6 mill for a house in LA, and 24/7 access to private aircraft. He's come a long way in a short time since his days as a lowly assistant's assistant under Mike Leach at Texas Tech.
My alma mater (one of them) is bowl-eligible for the first time since 2014, 7-5 record. Going to the Military Bowl. My other alma mater fired its most successful coach ever after a couple crappy years, but I think it is time he retires anyway.
A crazy and awesome SEC championship. Congrats to Bama and Bryce Young for an incredible performance.
What happens in the CFP rankings?
I have Bama #1, #2 worst. Their only loss was earlier than Michigan’s but there’s was to a ranked team. Bamas previous win was pretty ugly.
If Michigan wins they stay #2
Does Georgia’s less than good loss drop them to #4 or #3 and Cincinnati to #3 or #4?
It doesn’t much matter because there’s a small chance of anybody dropping out out of the top four.
Grand58742
12-06-21, 08:52
I hate UGA...
Hate Bama as equally...
Wished both could have lost somehow...
Though UGA getting their National Champion hopes crushed (again) would be perfectly fine by me even if it is Bama that does it. What's one more championship for the man who probably sold his soul and regularly sacrifices puppies to get all those rings?
Adrenaline_6
12-06-21, 10:19
I have this spidey sense suspicion that Kirby stuck with more a vanilla defense so as not to give anything away for a Championship run. He knew that they would still be in the Championship series with a loss. Expecting to beat Saban and Bama twice is asking a bit much. Waiting until it counts is a plausible scenario. Losing to Michigan would make it a moot point though.
I have this spidey sense suspicion that Kirby stuck with more a vanilla defense so as not to give anything away for a Championship run. He knew that they would still be in the Championship series with a loss. Expecting to beat Saban and Bama twice is asking a bit much. Waiting until it counts is a plausible scenario. Losing to Michigan would make it a moot point though.
Ehhh…I doubt the “best defense in the country” took a dive. It’s more plausible Saban still knows Kirby’s defense better than Auburn’s. All our offensive line had to do was give Bryce, Williams, and Metchie a couple of seconds and it’s off to the races.
It’s also possible Saban sacrifices puppies.
Adrenaline_6
12-06-21, 14:14
Ehhh…I doubt the “best defense in the country” took a dive. It’s more plausible Saban still knows Kirby’s defense better than Auburn’s. All our offensive line had to do was give Bryce, Williams, and Metchie a couple of seconds and it’s off to the races.
It’s also possible Saban sacrifices puppies.
Not a dive per se. The DC just wasn't calling the complex stuff. Bama's Oline never looked so good, even against lesser opponents (Auburn excluded). We will see I guess. Just found it odd.
Makes no sense. If Georgia beats Bama, guess who they wouldn't have to play again?!
NYH1.
Grand58742
12-07-21, 08:09
I have this spidey sense suspicion that Kirby stuck with more a vanilla defense so as not to give anything away for a Championship run. He knew that they would still be in the Championship series with a loss. Expecting to beat Saban and Bama twice is asking a bit much. Waiting until it counts is a plausible scenario. Losing to Michigan would make it a moot point though.
Could also be that Saban is the GOAT (as much as it pains me to say) and has the ability to get nearly everyone's number before the game. Somehow the man has gone through staff like crazy over the years and still has the ability to reload and continue pulling in 4 and 5 star talent that brings the heat each and every game.
There have been a lot of college greats over the years, but I don't think anyone will ever be able to top what the man has done for the game. And I do pity the person that replaces him when he finally decides to hang up his hat. The expectations are going to be off the chart.
He probably sacrifices puppies to keep at that level too. Just sayin...
Makes no sense. If Georgia beats Bama, guess who they wouldn't have to play again?!
NYH1.
Agree totally. Beat Bama in the SEC championship and they are done. Georgia plays Cincinnati the 1st game and then plays winner of Michigan and Notre Dame. Just a bit easier than having to play Michigan and Alabama.
Adrenaline_6
12-08-21, 19:31
Makes no sense. If Georgia beats Bama, guess who they wouldn't have to play again?!
NYH1.
Yes, but they still have to play 2 more championship games. Not saying it's the guaranteed truth, but Georgia did have the advantage of not needing the win and "giving up" less. I guess we will see how their defense looks in the bowl game against Michigan.
Bama already lost one of their prime receivers.
P2Vaircrewman
12-08-21, 20:54
I am a big believer in the mental aspect of a Bama Georgia rematch. Same season rematches usually end with the winner being the loser of the first game. Bama/LSU in 2011 being an example. LSU won the regular season game 3/0 but got whipped 21/0 in the BCS. Mentally LSU didn't believe they should have had to play Bama twice and it resulted in a lack luster performance. By contrast Bama had everything to play for.
Should Bama and Georgia meet again Georgia has every reason to play well and and Bama may have that why do we have to play these guys again attitude.
I think Michigan has a better chance against Georgia than most are believing.
Personally I’m excited for the rose bowl, Utah vs Ohio State. Should be a great game, GO UTES!!
Grand58742
12-09-21, 11:07
I think Michigan has a better chance against Georgia than most are believing.
Personally I’m excited for the rose bowl, Utah vs Ohio State. Should be a great game, GO UTES!!
I despise Ohio State on general principles... actually, I despise most of the Big 10 on general principles since their fan bases are absolutely crap. I always cheer for the Pac-12 team in those games.
Adrenaline_6
01-10-22, 19:05
Here we go! We'll see if the real Georgia shows up, or if Smart will always be Saban's bitch.
Adrenaline_6
01-10-22, 23:01
I had a feeling they would bring it this time. Good on them. Congrats to Georgia.
Grand58742
01-11-22, 09:31
I had a feeling they would bring it this time. Good on them. Congrats to Georgia.
Yay... we get to hear grown ass men barking at everyone not wearing UGA apparel for the next year. Or barking at people wearing UGA apparel as well... And the women barking too...
Anyway, one thing I'll give Saban even though he sold his soul to the devil and regularly sacrifices puppies to keep his win streak going. He does lose with class and has always been civil to the winning team and coach. Probably because he knows he'll be back on top next year (again)
P2Vaircrewman
01-11-22, 09:38
Saban was beaten twice this year by former assistances', is the sun setting on the Saban empire.
Congrats to Georgia. Well deserved.
That said, they beat a Bama team that was down their #1 and #2 receivers. Not saying they wouldn't have won otherwise, at all.
Saban was beaten twice this year by former assistances', is the sun setting on the Saban empire.
“death of an era” blah, blah. It’s all talk at this point.
The Bama team is young and inexperienced with injuries to key players.
That being said, I felt the spark was missing in the first playoff game.
Saban was beaten twice this year by former assistances', is the sun setting on the Saban empire.
Nah, I could see him getting at least one if not three more natty’s because bama consistently gets the best recurits. Of course the NIL may shake things up though
Adrenaline_6
01-12-22, 18:36
Nah, I could see him getting at least one if not three more natty’s because bama consistently gets the best recurits. Of course the NIL may shake things up though
The transfer portal is what's shaking things up. Harder to keep recruits that don't get the play time. This impacts the great recruiting classes and depth quality. A few key injuries and you don't have the same skill in the backup players as you once did because they all transferred out to play with another team.
The transfer portal is what's shaking things up. Harder to keep recruits that don't get the play time. This impacts the great recruiting classes and depth quality. A few key injuries and you don't have the same skill in the backup players as you once did because they all transferred out to play with another team.
Can't blame them. Recruited by Bama (or Ohio State or Michigan or...) but relegated to the bench as the #4 receiver or whatever, not getting any playing time grates on you.
It does create more overall parity...UNC Charlotte, Appalachian State, East Carolina, Coastal Carolina all had players transfer in from top-10 programs.
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