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My first nomination: First Blood (1982).
It's easy to dismiss "Rambo" films due to the sequels but this was the first film that gave VN vets their due and long outstanding respect. And did it 5 years before that Platoon "fairy tale." Here was a film that showed a guy who did his duty but was written off by society anyway because they projected their values onto him.
Martial Arts, back in 82s Stallone studied unarmed combat like few actors before. The escape from the sheriff's office sequence was the closest thing to Bruce Lee choreography that any America actor other than Chuck Norris had ever come close to. The fact that Stallone did it, who really wasn't a martial artists was very impressive.
Serve the red meat, the cliff diving scene along with the self stitching was almost as impactful in 1982 as the beach landing scene in Saving Private Ryan would be decades later. Even the tactics were mostly sound, watching him strip the truck for useful stuff was pretty on the money.
We ain't hunting him...he's hunting us. Sure we had been given some Green Beret lore in previous films, but the ambush sequence in the woods had every wannabe in America buying a Rambo survival knife with a compass in the cap just in case they had to get all VC on the local constabulary. That scene was pure porn for the Soldier of Fortune magazine crowd.
Wasn't that a HK-93? Usually it takes a Michael Mann movie to bring out the exotics, but along with a brief appearance in the beginning of John Carpenter's remake of "The Thing", most of us saw the HK-93 for the first time in First Blood. Of course it didn't matter, you can't shoot what you can't see...."I could have killed them all...I could have killed you...let it go."
Compared to the action military theme films being put out by Arnold at the time, First Blood was Citizen Kane of the genre.
You are one odd duck my friend. I’d love to share a pint with you one day. The world is burning down around us and your doing movie reviews. Props to you Sir.
But I do see your point of view and I think I agree. First Blood is the best Rambo movie.
You are one odd duck my friend. I’d love to share a pint with you one day. The world is burning down around us and your doing movie reviews. Props to you Sir.
But I do see your point of view and I think I agree. First Blood is the best Rambo movie.
We got to talk about something besides "OMG the sky is falling" and you guys are the only ones that I can have a reasonably intelligent conversation with. And yeah, odd duck...that's usually been me.
I vote Heat.... Really opened the eyes to some in LE, that highly motivated and trained bad dudes with a lot of superior firepower, will overcome the shotgun and pistol that most patrol cops had at the time. It really helped to push the rationale for long guns and the need for PC with rifle threat plates
Oh and I vote Rambo as well, I can watch it over and over...
Averageman
09-25-21, 05:16
Because it showed that you didn't need Hollywoods approval and that you could make a statement even if you really didn't have a coherant point to your protest.
It killed the last bit of the Studio system.
Easy Rider.
I liked the camera work and the soundtrack, the actual point of the whole thing being anti establishment was a bit lost on me.
I don’t think movies change anything and you might be giving the perverts far more credit than they deserve.
We got to talk about something besides "OMG the sky is falling" and you guys are the only ones that I can have a reasonably intelligent conversation with. And yeah, odd duck...that's usually been me.
Honestly, this.
Andy
In the sci-fi world, there was before "Alien" and after "Alien". It was that influential.
Die Hard. Everything was overdone in true 80s fashion. The original overkill movie. Nothing else ever touched it in a workable way. Like First Blood, the sequels sucked.
The UH-1 Huey getting blown out of the sky... "Looks like we're gonna need some new F.B.I. guys".
The Sig P226 would have rightfully won the contract with the military over the unheard of Beretta 92 if not for Die Hard. Everyone wanted a Beretta after Die Hard. They were everywhere.
Arlington Road, 1999 (I think). One of the first movies that showed ultra-right/ultra-nationalist domestic terrorism.
Star Wars franchise.
Toy Story franchise. Half the movies are adult innuendo and adult inside jokes. Same with Shrek movies.
I don’t think movies change anything and you might be giving the perverts far more credit than they deserve.
Film is medium. No different from books or spoken word. We also don't need to be Hollywood specific.
And if you don't think films change anything, you haven't seen "The China Syndrome", that f'ing movie destroyed our domestic nuclear program. Films can change big things.
Die Hard. Everything was overdone in true 80s fashion. The original overkill movie. Nothing else ever touched it in a workable way. Like First Blood, the sequels sucked.
The UH-1 Huey getting blown out of the sky... "Looks like we're gonna need some new F.B.I. guys".
The Sig P226 would have rightfully won the contract with the military over the unheard of Beretta 92 if not for Die Hard. Everyone wanted a Beretta after Die Hard. They were everywhere.
Actual Die Hard 2 was the film that sold handguns. The lore of the Glock was born with the Glock 7.
First Die Hard was a hour and a half long promo for the HK MP5. But yeah both Die Hard and Lethal Weapon helped move some Beretta's.
Film is medium. No different from books or spoken word. We also don't need to be Hollywood specific.
And if you don't think films change anything, you haven't seen "The China Syndrome", that f'ing movie destroyed our domestic nuclear program. Films can change big things.
Yup. China Syndrome was first movie I saw on Showtime, circa 1982ish, definitely made a dent, especially with public perception....
I remember being in HS eagerly looking forward to seeing Platoon & while I normally wait a couple weeks for the crowds to die down vs fighting the early debut days we (my gf now wife) decided last minute to go.
Got in late but managed to find two seats in the back...while I really enjoyed the movie, it was the lights coming on & witnessing so many men slumped over being comforted / some beginning to sob that made the impact. Many were wearing fatigues & we just sat there taking it all in. Even today typing it out knots my throat up some.
BoringGuy45
09-25-21, 16:01
Die Hard. Everything was overdone in true 80s fashion. The original overkill movie. Nothing else ever touched it in a workable way. Like First Blood, the sequels sucked.
The UH-1 Huey getting blown out of the sky... "Looks like we're gonna need some new F.B.I. guys".
The Sig P226 would have rightfully won the contract with the military over the unheard of Beretta 92 if not for Die Hard. Everyone wanted a Beretta after Die Hard. They were everywhere.
The M9 had already been adopted by the military three years before Die Hard was released. That ship had already sailed. But that said, I'd imagine the movie sold a lot of police departments on the Beretta. Even though Glock was quickly getting the corner on the market at the time, I still remember that a LOT of PDs were carrying Berettas in 90s.
Also, I have to disagree about the sequels. Die Hard 2 wasn't as great as it was more or less a remake of the first one with a different setting. Also the rogue-special-ops-soldiers-turned-mercenaries" bad guy trope was really overused at the time. But I thought the movie was still entertaining. Die Hard With a Vengeance was really good because it went in a different direction than the first two. Plus, Jeremy Irons and Samuel L. Jackson were great additions to the cast. The 4th and 5th movies? Hard pass.
I remember being in HS eagerly looking forward to seeing Platoon & while I normally wait a couple weeks for the crowds to die down vs fighting the early debut days we (my gf now wife) decided last minute to go.
Got in late but managed to find two seats in the back...while I really enjoyed the movie, it was the lights coming on & witnessing so many men slumped over being comforted / some beginning to sob that made the impact. Many were wearing fatigues & we just sat there taking it all in. Even today typing it out knots my throat up some.
Platoon was the first major Vietnam movie since Apocalypse Now, and did change public perception. Even though the history was very, very wrong.
Die Hard, no one cares. No one cares about accuracy of weaponology, tactics, what gun came when. The only people who care are gun people.
donlapalma
09-25-21, 17:15
Here is my take on films that changed everything:
Star Wars - Industrial Light & Magic and their special effects changed everything.
Avatar - James Cameron delayed production because the 3D / CG technology needed to be invented before his vision could be realized. This movie was groundbreaking and revolutionary from a technological standpoint.
Memento - Christopher Nolan's editing and how he played with time changed everything in movies.
Toy Story - CG animated films can be traced directly back to this film. This started it all.
titsonritz
09-25-21, 17:59
Akira Kurosawa movies.... "Seven Samurai" gave us "The Magnificent Seven", "Yojimbo" gave us "A Fistful of Dollars" and "Last Man Standing". Star Wars was heavily influenced, along with a boat load of other movies, like the use of action rain shots in "Blade Runner","Matrix" series and "LOTR Two Towers".
Outlaw Josey Wales - changed what everyone thought a western should be
Akira Kurosawa movies.... "Seven Samurai" gave us "The Magnificent Seven", "Yojimbo" gave us "A Fistful of Dollars" and "Last Man Standing". Star Wars was heavily influenced, along with a boat load of other movies, like the use of action rain shots in "Blade Runner","Matrix" series and "LOTR Two Towers".
Love Kurosawa films. My first theater experience was Ran and holy christ, the massive battle formation scenes were not CGI generated. The story was obviously King Lear.
I think the Seven Samurai was the first film that changed how "some" westerners view the Japanese after the war and to a lesser extent Rashomon. First time many began to see them as "people" again.
Yojimbo is wonderful of course, but the sequel Sanjuro will always be my favorite. Most have never heard of it but his first film Sanshiro Sugata was the Judo Saga so it you were a martial artist it was a lot of fun. One of Kurosawa's most powerful films has no samurai or martial arts at all, Ikiru explored the meaning of life in a thoughtful way.
Kagemusha is the brilliant samurai film that most have never seen. Throne of Blood is another excellent Shakespeare for samurai retelling of MacBeth.
donlapalma
09-25-21, 18:36
Akira Kurosawa movies.... "Seven Samurai" gave us "The Magnificent Seven", "Yojimbo" gave us "A Fistful of Dollars" and "Last Man Standing". Star Wars was heavily influenced, along with a boat load of other movies, like the use of action rain shots in "Blade Runner","Matrix" series and "LOTR Two Towers".A true master and auteur.
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Film is medium. No different from books or spoken word. We also don't need to be Hollywood specific.
And if you don't think films change anything, you haven't seen "The China Syndrome", that f'ing movie destroyed our domestic nuclear program. Films can change big things.
The obvious choice is Easy Rider.
Made on a show string budget with no real script or studio.
A few films from this era started an American semi-cinéma vérité revolution (lacking the artistic nuances of Cassavetes truer attempts in the field) but Easy Rider is the must see and had most influence.
"They'll talk to ya and talk to ya and talk to ya about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em."
Actual Die Hard 2 was the film that sold handguns. The lore of the Glock was born with the Glock 7.
First Die Hard was a hour and a half long promo for the HK MP5. But yeah both Die Hard and Lethal Weapon helped move some Beretta's.
Don’t forget the AUG. Diehard 1, and Harley Davidson and Marlboro Man, is the reason I now own an AUG.. As far as movies changing the world I’d say the war footage from Saipan or Tarawa can’t remember which was very world changing. I remember hearing it was the first time the American public saw their dead service members on video.
Don’t forget the AUG. Diehard 1, and Harley Davidson and Marlboro Man, is the reason I now own an AUG.. As far as movies changing the world I’d say the war footage from Saipan or Tarawa can’t remember which was very world changing. I remember hearing it was the first time the American public saw their dead service members on video.
Probably Tarawa, we payed a lot for that floating football field in the Pacific. And yeah, Diehard also starring the HK P7 and the Steyr AUG. The should have called that film "Guns you will be compelled to buy."
Terminator. 1 and 2. So many one liners that I still use almost daily. "I'll be back..." My wife does upper body work outs to get "Sarah Connor arms". Every time we see AI, connectivity and other tech developments we all talk about "skynet" coming.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-25-21, 23:27
Jurassic Park and the rise of CGI. First movie that heavily relied on it, and it seemed seamless.
Kick Ass and Dead Pool- action hero movies could be R rated and box office hits.
In the sci-fi world, there was before Star Wars and after Star Wars. It was that influential.
Fixed it for ya. ;)
Seriously.
That first SW film changed ALL of how sci-fi, as we know it today, is portrayed.
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Kick Ass and Dead Pool- action hero movies could be R rated and box office hits.
Indeed. Although Logan was a better movie than either.
The first Kick-Ass, although not exactly something I'd say 'changed everything' from a film perspective, is still, IMO, seriously underrated, and a bit deeper than it seems at first glance.
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Actual Die Hard 2 was the film that sold handguns. The lore of the Glock was born with the Glock 7.
First Die Hard was a hour and a half long promo for the HK MP5. But yeah both Die Hard and Lethal Weapon helped move some Beretta's.
The Beretta showed up in a lot films during that approximate time frame. I suspect one big reason is that it was readily converted to blowback for use with blanks. Later on (say mid 90s), Glocks, H&Ks and Sigs started showing up once they figured out what alterations were needed to make those guns into props. Where the breech block fills the ejection port, the front of the barrel block on some converted guns shows a visible bevel:
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"Halloween" and "Friday The 13th" brought slasher movies to center stage, although there were certainly notable ones before those two.
[QUOTE=Jellybean;2980591]Fixed it for ya. ;)
Seriously.
That first SW film changed ALL of how sci-fi, as we know it today, is portrayed.
Can't argue that point too much, although I maintain that "Alien" was a massive influence on everything that came after it.
1_click_off
09-26-21, 08:31
May not have been a change for the good, but The Warriors glamorized the gang life and have heard from several LEO that the uptick in gang membership and new gang’s form after the movie was very noticeable.
NoveskeFan
09-26-21, 09:38
Not sure if the 1980's Red Dawn changed everything, but it changed me when I first saw it. Seems corny, but as a young kid watching it with my dad and older brother I never before had contemplated modern war on American soil and the horrors that come with war. I knew about the Revolutionary War and Civil War; and all the standard stuff you'd learn up to about 6th or 7th grade when I watched it. I don't know, that film has stayed with me all these years.
Not sure if the 1980's Red Dawn changed everything, but it changed me when I first saw it. Seems corny, but as a young kid watching it with my dad and older brother I never before had contemplated modern war on American soil and the horrors that come with war. I knew about the Revolutionary War and Civil War; and all the standard stuff you'd learn up to about 6th or 7th grade when I watched it. I don't know, that film has stayed with me all these years.
WOLVERINES!!!
BangBang77
09-26-21, 14:25
Not sure if the 1980's Red Dawn changed everything, but it changed me when I first saw it. Seems corny, but as a young kid watching it with my dad and older brother I never before had contemplated modern war on American soil and the horrors that come with war. I knew about the Revolutionary War and Civil War; and all the standard stuff you'd learn up to about 6th or 7th grade when I watched it. I don't know, that film has stayed with me all these years.
Yep, I was a kid when the original came out and it always stuck with me, even influencing my vehicle decisions, gear selection, and hobbies I chose to pursue. Everyone preps with ammo, water, food, etc. For a minute, think about some of the meds/Healthcare items that make our lives more pleasant, i.e. Penicillin, benadryl, bandaids, neosporin, ibuprofen, aspirin, preparation H, q-tips, soap, toothpaste, fingernail clippers, razor blades (for the ladies in our lives), deodorant, mouthwash, Copenhagen, etc. There are so many things that a person could prep or stock away that are probably not even considered by a lot of people.
NoveskeFan
09-26-21, 14:37
Yep, I was a kid when the original came out and it always stuck with me, even influencing my vehicle decisions, gear selection, and hobbies I chose to pursue. Everyone preps with ammo, water, food, etc. For a minute, think about some of the meds/Healthcare items that make our lives more pleasant, i.e. Penicillin, benadryl, bandaids, neosporin, ibuprofen, aspirin, preparation H, q-tips, soap, toothpaste, fingernail clippers, razor blades (for the ladies in our lives), deodorant, mouthwash, Copenhagen, etc. There are so many things that a person could prep or stock away that are probably not even considered by a lot of people.
All very true. If/when the music stops…really stops, simple comfort things like you listed will become extremely valuable and people with supplies will need to be cautious.
Not sure if the 1980's Red Dawn changed everything, but it changed me when I first saw it. Seems corny, but as a young kid watching it with my dad and older brother I never before had contemplated modern war on American soil and the horrors that come with war. I knew about the Revolutionary War and Civil War; and all the standard stuff you'd learn up to about 6th or 7th grade when I watched it. I don't know, that film has stayed with me all these years.
The Day After. That woke up a lot of folks.
Blazing Saddles. One of the greatest comedies of all time and could never be made today.
titsonritz
09-26-21, 20:16
The Day After. That woke up a lot of folks.
I remember everyone freaking out about that one back in high school.
titsonritz
09-26-21, 20:28
I'm going to throw "Roots" into the mix. It had record breaking broadcast veiwership at the time and is still among highest-rated today.
titsonritz
09-26-21, 20:29
Blazing Saddles. One of the greatest comedies of all time and could never be made today.
I bet Quentin Tarantino could get away with it.
I remember everyone freaking out about that one back in high school.
It was pretty bleak and honestly with the exception of the Cuban Missile Crisis, early 80s had some "almost went hot" events, Able Archer 83 being the scariest even if we knew nothing about it at the time.
That there isn't a statue of Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov anywhere in the world is probably the greatest irony of the idea that we memorialize those who save lives. His decision to doubt computer launch warnings and not pass them up the chain of command because it didn't feel accurate might have saved millions of lives on both sides. And that kind of independent thinking and assumption of responsibility from a soviet military leader is even more impressive.
Night of the Living Dead started the whole zombie thing.
1_click_off
09-27-21, 06:22
“I am sorry Dave, I cannot do that.”
One of the original AI takeovers.
titsonritz
09-27-21, 11:56
Night of the Living Dead started the whole zombie thing.
Not to mention one of the scariest I've ever seen. I think I was about ten the first time I saw i, man it made an impression.
titsonritz
09-27-21, 11:58
It was pretty bleak and honestly with the exception of the Cuban Missile Crisis, early 80s had some "almost went hot" events, Able Archer 83 being the scariest even if we knew nothing about it at the time.
That there isn't a statue of Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov anywhere in the world is probably the greatest irony of the idea that we memorialize those who save lives. His decision to doubt computer launch warnings and not pass them up the chain of command because it didn't feel accurate might have saved millions of lives on both sides. And that kind of independent thinking and assumption of responsibility from a soviet military leader is even more impressive.
The dude must have been cool as a cucumber, Soviet orbital missile early warning system says a US missle is inbound, nah, false alarm.
The dude must have been cool as a cucumber, Soviet orbital missile early warning system says a US missle is inbound, nah, false alarm.
He was a "thinking" person and he knew a US strike would not be FOUR missiles but hundreds. He also had "some" knowledge that the USSR early warning system had bugs. But had he been a good little commie and just passed it up the chain of command it is extremely likely things would have gone hot given all the political shit going on concurrently that had the soviet leadership convinced the US might go with a first strike option.
I'm not crazy about glorifying commies, but there should be a statue of him in DC.
The dude must have been cool as a cucumber, Soviet orbital missile early warning system says a US missle is inbound, nah, false alarm.
We can include Vasili Arkhipov as Soviets who kept things from the brink.
Godzilla is the first movie to take off the gloves and go for absolute over the top extinction level destruction at the hands of an unstoppable god-like force. The most terrifying part wasn't just the flattening of Tokyo or the possibility Japan would be the first nation to be wiped off the face of the Earth- it was the thousands of people crushed underfoot without notice.
Godzilla didn't just open the floodgates for epic mega destruction blockbusters. It shattered the floodgates and loosed a tsunami.
2001: A Space Odyssey set the bar for stunning visual effects that still stands to day.
The "Man With No Name" spaghetti westerns changed westerns. They set the stage for Outlaw Josey Wales. The spaghetti westerns created quite a stir in Hollywood and it's said that's why John Wayne said he'd never work with Clint Eastwood.
We can include Vasili Arkhipov as Soviets who kept things from the brink.
If I was president, I'd be willing to dedicate a statue in DC of him right next to Petrov. Hell I'd even invite Putin to the US to help dedicate these true "world heroes." I'm sure we could find a couple SAC/NORAD guys as well and maybe even some CIA guys who changed the world for the better.
Averageman
09-28-21, 13:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ysVoV3x5Zo
Forever changed the way violence was in movies.
titsonritz
09-28-21, 14:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ysVoV3x5Zo
Forever changed the way violence was in movies.
Sam Peckinpah was often chastised for his depiction of violence in his movies at the time. Junior Bonner didn't do well at the box office to which Peckinpah remarked, "I made a film where nobody got shot and nobody went to see it."
Blazing Saddles. One of the greatest comedies of all time and could never be made today.
Blazing Saddles and Mel Brooks helped launch an entire genre of spoof comedy. I totally agree, a groundbreaking film for many reasons.
I would also throw in Animal House. The first of the serious 'raunch'/gross out comedies, the writers, director, and many of the actors launched into decades-long comedy from that movie.
Straight Shooter
09-28-21, 16:46
My first nomination: First Blood (1982).
It's easy to dismiss "Rambo" films due to the sequels but this was the first film that gave VN vets their due and long outstanding respect. And did it 5 years before that Platoon "fairy tale." Here was a film that showed a guy who did his duty but was written off by society anyway because they projected their values onto him.
Martial Arts, back in 82s Stallone studied unarmed combat like few actors before. The escape from the sheriff's office sequence was the closest thing to Bruce Lee choreography that any America actor other than Chuck Norris had ever come close to. The fact that Stallone did it, who really wasn't a martial artists was very impressive.
Serve the red meat, the cliff diving scene along with the self stitching was almost as impactful in 1982 as the beach landing scene in Saving Private Ryan would be decades later. Even the tactics were mostly sound, watching him strip the truck for useful stuff was pretty on the money.
We ain't hunting him...he's hunting us. Sure we had been given some Green Beret lore in previous films, but the ambush sequence in the woods had every wannabe in America buying a Rambo survival knife with a compass in the cap just in case they had to get all VC on the local constabulary. That scene was pure porn for the Soldier of Fortune magazine crowd.
Wasn't that a HK-93? Usually it takes a Michael Mann movie to bring out the exotics, but along with a brief appearance in the beginning of John Carpenter's remake of "The Thing", most of us saw the HK-93 for the first time in First Blood. Of course it didn't matter, you can't shoot what you can't see...."I could have killed them all...I could have killed you...let it go."
Compared to the action military theme films being put out by Arnold at the time, First Blood was Citizen Kane of the genre.
You are DAMN RIGHT on this brother.
Thing is, for one to really truly understand how Rambo affected America, you almost certainly would have needed to be alive at that time and old enough to understand the war that had ended only 5 years earlier.
Rambo & Red Dawn were two HUGE reasons I joined the Marine Corps in 1983, they were VERY influential movies. To THIS DAY they still boil my blood. Im almost sentimental about those two flicks, Red Dawn especially. It tore us ole country boys UP.
Straight Shooter
09-28-21, 16:59
I don’t think movies change anything and you might be giving the perverts far more credit than they deserve.
I agree NOW & for the last saw 10-15 years wholeheartedly.
But, brother you are wrong, in general. There have been MANY movies that impacted America, even the world, whether I agreed with or liked or hated them.
The Day After is one. 1983 flick about nuclear war.
The Stand...original version.
ROOTS...started a bunch of shit when it aired.
JAWS...man it took YEARS for beaches & resorts to fully recover from that flick. The first year or so NOBODY went to the beach.
The Excorcist. Damn. If you werent alive then, aint NO explaining how that move scared the absolute SHIT out of people. America lost its mind over it. You just had to have been there, it was crazy.
Close Encounters. ANOTHER mania making flick...you couldnt turn around what someone was seeing aliens and ufo's and gettin abducted, ect. It flat tripped people out.
Legend of Boggy Creek...same thing except with Bigfoot. BF here, there...errwhere for years after.
The Godfather...nuff said.
DEEP THROAT. Again, nuff said.
There are several more from the days of old when actors just acted and kept their pie holes shit, and studios made great films.
LONG GONE are those days.
BoringGuy45
09-28-21, 18:06
I'd argue that X-Men (2000 film) was a huge game changer. Superhero films had only been coming out sporadically and, with the exception of the Christopher Reeve Superman series, had never been the it genre. After X-Men, Hollywood took a serious interest in superhero and comic-based movies. For going on 20 years now, that's been THE genre of film.
You are DAMN RIGHT on this brother.
Thing is, for one to really truly understand how Rambo affected America, you almost certainly would have needed to be alive at that time and old enough to understand the war that had ended only 5 years earlier.
Rambo & Red Dawn were two HUGE reasons I joined the Marine Corps in 1983, they were VERY influential movies. To THIS DAY they still boil my blood. Im almost sentimental about those two flicks, Red Dawn especially. It tore us ole country boys UP.
One correction, VN ended 10 years prior, not 5. But yeah, for those who remember it well, it resonated even 10 years after.
Straight Shooter
09-29-21, 05:30
One correction, VN ended 10 years prior, not 5. But yeah, for those who remember it well, it resonated even 10 years after.
I was wrong about Rambo's premier..it was in 1982, not 1980.
Nam was over in '75..so 7 years in between. My bad.
Grand58742
09-29-21, 06:29
In the sci-fi world, there was before "Alien" and after "Alien". It was that influential.
Meh, disagree there.
Star Wars changed the Sci-fi paradigm completely.
Grand58742
09-29-21, 06:35
I'll add in Saving Private Ryan as an example of bringing awareness to the fact the Greatest Generation were quickly dying off and their stories needed to be heard. I think the public took far more of an interest in the remaining WWII veterans and listening to what they had to say in the aftermath.
As for "changing" everything, I don't think it really hits the mark. But it certainly helped in bringing the focus onto preserving the history of that era.
Has anyone said Apocalypse Now? Set the standard for Vietnam war flicks.
Honorable mention John Wayne and The Green Berets. Filmed during Vietnam, and one of the only VN war movies to not show the US as dysfunctional.
Has anyone said Apocalypse Now? Set the standard for Vietnam war flicks.
Honorable mention John Wayne and The Green Berets. Filmed during Vietnam, and one of the only VN war movies to not show the US as dysfunctional.
Yeah, and while an entertaining film on many levels, it was probably less credible than Platoon. Sadly that did set a standard of sorts as well as The Deer Hunter.
I was wrong about Rambo's premier..it was in 1982, not 1980.
Nam was over in '75..so 7 years in between. My bad.
Nam was over in 72. The south invaded in 75 and we evac'd our embassy, but our military forces handed everything over in 72.
This is one of the things that drives me insane. Even documentaries suggest that things like the Tet offensive happened in 75 and we LOST and then had to mad dash to escape the incoming commies.
The truth is they broke their back with Tet so we negotiated and honorable withdraw which happened in 1972. About three years later the north felt rebuilt enough to take the south away from the ARVN troops that we handed over to back in 72.
It is the most blatant revisionist history thing I have ever seen.
Black Hawk Down - I'm surprised no one mentioned it yet (apologies if someone did)
First Blood - it definitely changed the knife industry too
Joe Mamma
Yeah, and while an entertaining film on many levels, it was probably less credible than Platoon. Sadly that did set a standard of sorts as well as The Deer Hunter.
Yes. Green Berets was severely panned and used as an example how not to make a Viet Nam War Movie.
titsonritz
09-30-21, 19:00
It is the most blatant revisionist history thing I have ever seen.
You must not be paying attention to current events.
The last US ground forces left Vietnam in March 1973, but that was 150 or so Marines and some senior command personnel.
Yes. Green Berets was severely panned and used as an example how not to make a Viet Nam War Movie.
It was panned, but was notable for being pro-US/South VN, relatively accurate for SF (HUGE recruiting film, model for future movies), and stayed relatively true to Robin Moore's book.
It was panned, but was notable for being pro-US/South VN, relatively accurate for SF (HUGE recruiting film, model for future movies), and stayed relatively true to Robin Moore's book.
Cool thing about The Green Berets...
Fight Choreography: Bruce Lee
Stunt Fighters: Joe Lewis ... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Norris ... stunts (rumored) (uncredited)
Roy K. Ogata ... stunts (uncredited)
Ed Parker ... stunts (uncredited)
Mike Stone ... stunts (uncredited)
Try and watch it the same way again.
Black Hawk Down - I'm surprised no one mentioned it yet (apologies if someone did)
Definitely. Changed the game in many of the ways Saving Private Ryan did only with the benefit of being a mostly faithful telling of an actual event. I would also add We Were Soldiers, one of the few movies to give them the respect that was due. Also showed the hardships of everyone related to a soldier.
I agree NOW & for the last saw 10-15 years wholeheartedly.
But, brother you are wrong, in general. There have been MANY movies that impacted America, even the world, whether I agreed with or liked or hated them.
The Day After is one. 1983 flick about nuclear war.
The Stand...original version.
ROOTS...started a bunch of shit when it aired.
JAWS...man it took YEARS for beaches & resorts to fully recover from that flick. The first year or so NOBODY went to the beach.
The Excorcist. Damn. If you werent alive then, aint NO explaining how that move scared the absolute SHIT out of people. America lost its mind over it. You just had to have been there, it was crazy.
Close Encounters. ANOTHER mania making flick...you couldnt turn around what someone was seeing aliens and ufo's and gettin abducted, ect. It flat tripped people out.
Legend of Boggy Creek...same thing except with Bigfoot. BF here, there...errwhere for years after.
The Godfather...nuff said.
DEEP THROAT. Again, nuff said.
There are several more from the days of old when actors just acted and kept their pie holes shit, and studios made great films.
LONG GONE are those days.
This was also an era when films like The Godfather were in theaters for something like two years.
I think I saw Star Wars in the theater six times, but that might have been over several months. It played in first run theaters forever.
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Averageman
10-04-21, 15:45
I watched a Directors cut of Godfater III last night.
It's a much better cut than what most of us have seen. I believe it's called "Michalle Corleone Coda".
Made much more sense, much better film overall.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-04-21, 22:22
I watched a Directors cut of Godfater III last night.
It's a much better cut than what most of us have seen. I believe it's called "Michalle Corleone Coda".
Made much more sense, much better film overall.
Couldn’t be much worse...
I watched a Directors cut of Godfater III last night.
It's a much better cut than what most of us have seen. I believe it's called "Michalle Corleone Coda".
Made much more sense, much better film overall.
Back in the early 90s my mother won a Godfather package in a raffle. She could not care less about the movie, so she gave it to me. On VHS, all three movies, a separate VHS with interviews and behind the scenes stuff, and the MC Coda. It also came with the novel and a book about making the movie. I agree, the director's cut for III was MUCH better, but I loved the first and second movie by a long shot.
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