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Diamondback
10-21-21, 14:36
At Stick's suggestion, I'm starting a spinoff of "Good Deals & Interesting Finds". What goes here?


Bullshit ripoffs to mock and laugh at
Things that don't seem quite right
On the positive side of the ledger, things where you had low expectations but overperformed


To start with, there's the curious case of Charlie's recently posted at NWFA that inspired this thread.
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/anyone-ever-deal-with-this-company-charlies-custom-clones.386454/


I bought a "heavy duty" DD barrel nut tool from Charlie's but it turned out to be the same exact tool that DD sells for half the price, I checked the size, thickness of the new tool (micrometer) compared to my broken one and it was exactly the same. Same metal and when I cross referenced the SKU on DD's page the standard tool came up as well. Not sure if they screwed up or it was an outright lie to get people to pay more. I have contacted them so we will see if they fess up or compound the lie.
https://charliescustomclones.com/daniel-defense-bolt-up-ris-ii-barrel-nut-wrench-heavy-duty/
https://charliescustomclones.com/daniel-defense-bolt-up-barrel-wrench/

And the followup:

Well they decided to double down on the lie and tell me they sent the heavy duty version of the tool. I told them I had copied both complete pages of the item in question and sent them to DD for review....
They did not like that to much...

So the floor's open, for everything from the "WTF?!" to the "Point and Laugh" to the "Wow, that's a hidden gem!"

Stickman
10-23-21, 12:41
Thanks, I don't want this thread to become a straight up bashing thread, but I think its important to get the word out. Much in the same way, I think its also important to spread the good with the bad. For example:

I recently made an order from Shark Arms. This was an order regarding their Sig P226 magazines which they stated were in good shape. Sharks wasn't a company I was going to comment on until I had done personal business with them. I did not like that they sell knock off stuff from China. To sell knockoff stuff mixed in with legit items on a page just rings me wrong. In the case of the P226 mags, my initial email went unanswered. I really wish Sharks had a real webpage you could order from, and it was me trying to order from my yahoo account which probably why I never got a reply. However, when I emailed them again, they were great to deal with and got my order to me pretty quickly. The Sig mags are actually parkerized mags made by Mecgar, but that is who I believe made all the contract mags anyway.

So, the QUESTIONABLE part of this one turned out to be GTG.

MistWolf
10-24-21, 13:13
I needed a 5/8"-24 Muzzle Thread - 25 Degree Tapered Shoulder End Cap to direct thread an Omega to a BRT barrel with a tapered shoulder. I contacted the owner of https://eccomachine.net/ (goes by MachIVshooter) via PM at www.thehighroad.net to find out if they could make one. Ecco Machine specializes in building, repairing, modifying overhauling, and making parts for suppressors. Their mission is to support the customer's needs.

He replied within a day and helped me choose the options I wanted- lightening cuts and type of finish- and double checked he had the order correct. This was a special order item, and he had it complete and ready to ship in less than ten days. The company contacted me by phone to take payment and ensure they had the shipping address right. They shipped the part that day and I got it soon after. The machine work is simply gorgeous. The price for everything was a bit over $100- less than I had expected.

I am very satisfied with Ecco Machine and the service I received and highly recommend them.

Disciple
10-24-21, 13:56
I have had a backorder with Sportsman's Guide since summer 2020 for Silver Bear .223. They keep pushing out the expected date, now to summer 2022. I don't think they have any intention of delivering unless or until ammo is cheap again.

Disciple
10-24-21, 14:04
I am very satisfied with Ecco Machine and the service I received and highly recommend them.

I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

Diamondback
10-24-21, 14:28
I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

Might be covered as a "Hidden Gem."


I have had a backorder with Sportsman's Guide since summer 2020 for Silver Bear .223. They keep pushing out the expected date, now to summer 2022. I don't think they have any intention of delivering unless or until ammo is cheap again.


Over at NWFA, we have entire threads of Sportsman's Whorehouse horror stories... I only go in there if I'm absolutely desperate and need something right NOW. Even the tackle-boxes I use for small parts I can usually get better deals on with strategic shopping and couponing at Jo-Ann or Hobby Lobby...
EDIT: OOPS, you meant Sportsman's Guide not Sportsman's Warehouse. My bad.

sproc
10-25-21, 07:17
I have had a backorder with Sportsman's Guide since summer 2020 for Silver Bear .223. They keep pushing out the expected date, now to summer 2022. I don't think they have any intention of delivering unless or until ammo is cheap again.

I backordered some PMC 5.56 in October 2020, originally estimated to ship the next month. After multiple changes in the estimated date, each of which required I had to confirm I still wanted it, I finally received it a couple weeks ago, exactly one year after I placed the order. I blame this crazy market, not SG. I appreciated that they eventually honored the order instead of just canceling it, because it was a very good deal.

If the price is good, Iíd hang in there.

Stickman
10-25-21, 13:17
I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

If it was questionable as to what he thought the result was going to be, this is the place to post it.

Dutch110
10-28-21, 11:08
BOTACH. If you go in with the expectation that you are not going to get what you ordered any time soon (or ever) you will be pleasantly surprised if it shows up. :D

Diamondback
10-28-21, 11:10
BOTACH. If you go in with the expectation that you are not going to get what you ordered any time soon (or ever) you will be pleasantly surprised if it shows up. :D

That's like going to a doctor with the expectation that you have inoperable colorectal cancer and you'll be pleasantly surprised by anything less, though.

Dutch110
10-28-21, 11:25
Ok so I have one. Not really AR related but it is firearm related. I have a CZ Scorpion that I love. However the trigger leaves quite a bit to be desired. Several folks sell trigger shoes and springs for it (this was back before anyone had come out with a drop in kit) but I knew that wasn't going to cut it. I ordered springs and a trigger shoe from a company called Shooters Element. He offers trigger jobs but I decided I wanted to spend some money locally and I took it to a local shop to work on. Which, by the way, has done some really nice work for me in the past. A few weeks later I get it back and its horrible. I'm not sure they even polished anything. It may have been worse than stock. On the way home from the shop I called Shooters Element and the owner answered the phone. It was his cell number and he's a one man show. I told him what had happened and he laughed, saying yeah I get these calls alot. Send it to me and Ill fix it. Now, keep in mind his trigger install and polish only costs like 55 bucks. Even with the parts added in it is still under a hundy. I am of course somewhat skeptical at this point after having been burned once. I put it in the mail on a Monday. On Wed he calls me "Dude, this thing is a mess. They didnt touch a thing internally, the springs are installed incorrectly, and to top it off they never tightened up the screws on your safety levers. I took care of it and oh, I also polished the drum on the safety selector so it smooth like butter now." I had it back in my hands by the following Monday. A week turn around and the trigger is pretty fantastic. Not AR fantastic but worlds better than stock. I wish I had more work to send that guy's way.

Stickman
10-28-21, 13:34
Ok so I have one. Not really AR related but it is firearm related. I have a CZ Scorpion that I love. However the trigger leaves quite a bit to be desired. Several folks sell trigger shoes and springs for it (this was back before anyone had come out with a drop in kit) but I knew that wasn't going to cut it. I ordered springs and a trigger shoe from a company called Shooters Element. He offers trigger jobs but I decided I wanted to spend some money locally and I took it to a local shop to work on. Which, by the way, has done some really nice work for me in the past. A few weeks later I get it back and its horrible. I'm not sure they even polished anything. It may have been worse than stock. On the way home from the shop I called Shooters Element and the owner answered the phone. It was his cell number and he's a one man show. I told him what had happened and he laughed, saying yeah I get these calls alot. Send it to me and Ill fix it. Now, keep in mind his trigger install and polish only costs like 55 bucks. Even with the parts added in it is still under a hundy. I am of course somewhat skeptical at this point after having been burned once. I put it in the mail on a Monday. On Wed he calls me "Dude, this thing is a mess. They didnt touch a thing internally, the springs are installed incorrectly, and to top it off they never tightened up the screws on your safety levers. I took care of it and oh, I also polished the drum on the safety selector so it smooth like butter now." I had it back in my hands by the following Monday. A week turn around and the trigger is pretty fantastic. Not AR fantastic but worlds better than stock. I wish I had more work to send that guy's way.

Perfect example of what I was hoping people would post. Would you be so good as to share the name of the company that did the work correctly?

Second question, have you tried any other springs or trigger kits in your CZ Scorpion since then? I can't say I'm in love with my trigger, and cutting springs is the losers easy way out IMHO.

Stickman
10-28-21, 13:35
That's like going to a doctor with the expectation that you have inoperable colorectal cancer and you'll be pleasantly surprised by anything less, though.

BOTACH is like going into your doctor for a cold, and coming out with a sore rectum.....

Dutch110
10-28-21, 16:31
Perfect example of what I was hoping people would post. Would you be so good as to share the name of the company that did the work correctly?

Second question, have you tried any other springs or trigger kits in your CZ Scorpion since then? I can't say I'm in love with my trigger, and cutting springs is the losers easy way out IMHO.

Absolutely.

https://www.shooterselement.com/

And its driving me crazy but I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the guy who owns it. I have to go back and look at my emails. He uses the HBi trigger spring kits and then does a nice polish job on the internals. I would call it a really nice duty trigger.

I have not tried the Timney or the Ascalon Arms trigger packs. The Timney came out not long after mine was done and after hearing about the teething problems they were having I lost interest pretty quickly. Not sure if they have been corrected or not. I also haven't followed the Ascalon Arms but with a 2lb trigger pull it wasn't something I wanted in a gun that gets used as a truck gun from time to time. Plus at the time their trigger shoes first became available they technically weren't licensed for import which gave me pause. Pretty sure that has all been corrected.

For what I use it for, part time truck gun and part time PCC/Steel Plate gun, it works well enough for me. If I were actually trying to be competitive in the PCC/Steel Plate part of its intended use I dont think I'd be using a Scorpion to begin with, lol.

Stickman
10-29-21, 14:35
I personally find a 2lb trigger to be idiocy in the CZ Scorpion, but that is just me and just my own uses.

Waylander
10-29-21, 18:09
Thanks, I don't want this thread to become a straight up bashing thread, but I think its important to get the word out. Much in the same way, I think its also important to spread the good with the bad. For example:

I recently made an order from Shark Arms. This was an order regarding their Sig P226 magazines which they stated were in good shape. Sharks wasn't a company I was going to comment on until I had done personal business with them. I did not like that they sell knock off stuff from China. To sell knockoff stuff mixed in with legit items on a page just rings me wrong. In the case of the P226 mags, my initial email went unanswered. I really wish Sharks had a real webpage you could order from, and it was me trying to order from my yahoo account which probably why I never got a reply. However, when I emailed them again, they were great to deal with and got my order to me pretty quickly. The Sig mags are actually parkerized mags made by Mecgar, but that is who I believe made all the contract mags anyway.

So, the QUESTIONABLE part of this one turned out to be GTG.

I would watch Shark. I had a handful of dealings with them a couple of years ago that went well. Legit new Colt, FN, and KAC parts at good prices. I was thinking it was too good to be true.

Then things started going down hill after inventory started running dry and they started selling used and surplus parts. Several people including myself got burned buying what were described as NOS Colt bolts only to receive badly worn surplus. I asked the owner what was up and he replied saying those were quality old school bolts and would outlast anything today. He gladly accepted my return and refunded my money at least.

Then I ordered a brand new FN BCG and got a used one. Not terrible shape but not close to new either. When I asked, he stated that was the only one he had. I did get a charging handle out of them for free at least.

Fool me onceÖwell you know the rest.

Stickman
10-29-21, 20:52
I would watch Shark. I had a handful of dealings with them a couple of years ago that went well. Legit new Colt, FN, and KAC parts at good prices. I was thinking it was too good to be true.

Then things started going down hill after inventory started running dry and they started selling used and surplus parts. Several people including myself got burned buying what were described as NOS Colt bolts only to receive badly worn surplus. I asked the owner what was up and he replied saying those were quality old school bolts and would outlast anything today. He gladly accepted my return and refunded my money at least.

Then I ordered a brand new FN BCG and got a used one. Not terrible shape but not close to new either. When I asked, he stated that was the only one he had. I did get a charging handle out of them for free at least.

Fool me once…well you know the rest.

Another perfect example of what this thread is for, thank you for sharing your experiences.

Waylander
10-31-21, 19:42
I personally find a 2lb trigger to be idiocy in the CZ Scorpion, but that is just me and just my own uses.

Iíve never understood the fascination with a sub 5 pound trigger on anything auto-loading. That being said, the long take-up of the Scorpion helps if itís left in place.

I have no scientific evidence to prove this, but the relatively large bolt mass adds another concern because the inertia is in direct opposition to the trigger pull direction. If anything but a firm grip on the gun is used to stop the force, I could see an ND possibly happening if the trigger pull is too light or the take-up shortened too much. HBI springs and a light polish is enough for me.

Sorry for the thread drift but itís a pet peeve of mine.

Shooters Element seems good to go from everything Iíve seen.

Dutch110
11-01-21, 12:16
I personally find a 2lb trigger to be idiocy in the CZ Scorpion, but that is just me and just my own uses.

Couldn't agree more.

Diamondback
11-04-21, 00:16
Curious that Big Daddy Unlimited supported a so-called "buyback"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fQ-aJdt7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fQ-aJdt7M

ndmiller
11-04-21, 08:45
I’ve never understood the fascination with a sub 5 pound trigger on anything auto-loading. That being said, the long take-up of the Scorpion helps if it’s left in place.

I have no scientific evidence to prove this, but the relatively large bolt mass adds another concern because the inertia is in direct opposition to the trigger pull direction. If anything but a firm grip on the gun is used to stop the force, I could see an ND possibly happening if the trigger pull is too light or the take-up shortened too much. HBI springs and a light polish is enough for me.

Sorry for the thread drift but it’s a pet peeve of mine.

Shooters Element seems good to go from everything I’ve seen.

I think part of it, at least for me, was a misunderstanding of why was a trigger pull bad and what makes a great trigger great. Weight was really the only thing I understood, lighter was better, until I shot a gun that was stock with a great trigger (recently reinforced again with recent acquisition of preowned 92 LTT Elite). The importance of the action of the trigger was what I didn't get (no experience) and how two same weighted triggers could feel vastly different based on geometry and finish on mating surfaces (polished or with tool marks). It's why polishing or addition trigger time can improve a heaver trigger, yet a spring lightened 4 pound creepy gritty trigger isn't really much of an improvement over a stock springer 5-8 lbs trigger.

Arik
11-04-21, 09:19
I have had a backorder with Sportsman's Guide since summer 2020 for Silver Bear .223. They keep pushing out the expected date, now to summer 2022. I don't think they have any intention of delivering unless or until ammo is cheap again.I have the same from Optics planet. Case of 9mm. They even stopped updating. To their credit they didn't take money so if they decide to quietly forget the whole thing I'm not out anything

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Dutch110
11-04-21, 13:04
I think part of it, at least for me, was a misunderstanding of why was a trigger pull bad and what makes a great trigger great. Weight was really the only thing I understood, lighter was better, until I shot a gun that was stock with a great trigger (recently reinforced again with recent acquisition of preowned 92 LTT Elite). The importance of the action of the trigger was what I didn't get (no experience) and how two same weighted triggers could feel vastly different based on geometry and finish on mating surfaces (polished or with tool marks). It's why polishing or addition trigger time can improve a heaver trigger, yet a spring lightened 4 pound creepy gritty trigger isn't really much of an improvement over a stock springer 5-8 lbs trigger.

Exactly. I see people bragging about trigger weight and kind of shake my head. I would much rather have a 5 lb trigger with a clean take up, crisp break, minimum over travel and a good reset than a crappy trigger with light springs in it.