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I needed a new AR like a fish needs a bicycle. But I've been eyeballing these G rifles for a minute. They did the 20% off sale and I bit for a Super Duty 16 incher for $1,580. I believe that is a value priced AR for what you get.
I have a direct thread 556 stamp Sig due any day that will go on nicely.
Range report to follow. I shot a friends 14.5 a couple weeks ago and was quite impressed. So, I'll keep you guys posted.
PB
Curious what you think of it as compared with your other stuff. Looking forward to seeing your thoughts on that one.
Yea, Im going to size it up to my SR15 and maybe a tricked out Colt. My only other 16 inch guns. My buddies ran fine with a can with current set up. He is a Surefire guy and the 14.5 comes pin and welded with surefire adapter.
PB
Put me on the docket for wanting to know how it does. I eagerly await your report.
I needed a new AR like a fish needs a bicycle. But I've been eyeballing these G rifles for a minute. They did the 20% off sale and I bit for a Super Duty 16 incher for $1,580. I believe that is a value priced AR for what you get.
I have a direct thread 556 stamp Sig due any day that will go on nicely.
Range report to follow. I shot a friends 14.5 a couple weeks ago and was quite impressed. So, I'll keep you guys posted.
PB
Congrats! I keep eyeing up the 16 inch OD green but I keep reminding myself I don't need another one..lol
Our buddy got one of the Tan ones. I got to shoot it to 980 yards two weeks ago with an ELCAN sight. It's nice.
Our buddy got one of the Tan ones. I got to shoot it to 980 yards two weeks ago with an ELCAN sight. It's nice.
You aren't helping me....lol
The black one is $250 cheaper, so my tight ass went black. I would have gone FDE but not for $250 extra. Very cool though.
PB
I think they’re gassed better and the handguard is a better design for the end user than KAC.
sidewaysil80
12-25-21, 17:58
I think they’re gassed better and the handguard is a better design for the end user than KAC.
Absolutely concur, at least compared to 16” mod 2. Not to mention bolt may be stronger and isn’t proprietary.
It shot smooth with a suppressor mounted. I don't know which can was on the gun I shot, but it ran nicely... not too snappy.
Absolutely concur, at least compared to 16” mod 2. Not to mention bolt may be stronger and isn’t proprietary.
How is the bolt stronger than the KAC?
I’m interested in the real world accuracy of these. I seem to remember some pretty ambitious claims made when they first came out.
sidewaysil80
12-26-21, 13:21
How is the bolt stronger than the KAC?
I’m interested in the real world accuracy of these. I seem to remember some pretty ambitious claims made when they first came out.
To be fair I said it MAY be stronger. Regardless, reasoning is the Geissele bolts are forged whereas every other bolt to include the E3's are cut. While the E3 lug design is stronger then standard, the fact Geissele's are forged and done so out of a propietary Carpenter 158 steel means it MAY be superior. Only time will tell. The article below they go into greater about the bolts.
https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/geissele-super-duty-rifle-review/452747
How is the bolt stronger than the KAC?
I’m interested in the real world accuracy of these. I seem to remember some pretty ambitious claims made when they first came out.
Sub moa with mk262 1.5” at 200.
Right around 2 moa with m855. I honestly never knew m855 could do that.
This is a 16 with razor 1-6.
To be fair I said it MAY be stronger. Regardless, reasoning is the Geissele bolts are forged whereas every other bolt to include the E3's are cut. While the E3 lug design is stronger then standard, the fact Geissele's are forged and done so out of a propietary Carpenter 158 steel means it MAY be superior. Only time will tell. The article below they go into greater about the bolts.
https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/geissele-super-duty-rifle-review/452747
Great article...and yes he does take care of the local LE guns if they run into issues..they can stop by the factory.
Still need to load up ammo for accuracy testing on mine.
The 14.5" and 11.5" models both run fantastic with a Surefire RC2 (so far using 55 and 62 gr hosing ammo).
I was tempted to buy another 14.5 at the sale. Guess I still could it ends today!
I’m interested in the real world accuracy of these. I seem to remember some pretty ambitious claims made when they first came out.
Multiple samples that are at least MOA-ish, some less. I'd have to look, but I think the worst of those shot for groups were ~1.5 or so.
1580 for that rifle is a deal.
The rest of G products have increased in price too drastically to justify.
I've been very tempted to pick one of these up as well, as I've heard nothing but good things. Glad to hear they perform well in the accuracy department too, and $1,580 is a great deal. Not sure you can get a higher quality AR for under $1,600.
Definitely give a full report when you have some rounds through it.
I just couldn't pull the trigger on one at this time....good luck on yours Pappabear
The good thing I see them used in my area from time to time with little wear or use.
The black one is $250 cheaper, so my tight ass went black. I would have gone FDE but not for $250 extra. Very cool though.
PB
I will spray it for you... no charge!!
stick are you serious? pm me on how we do that. i would want to function test it first. but then maybe
I did the same thing for the same rifle at the same price. but their program rejected my dealers phone number,
queering the deal, so I hit the contact button, message them that it is his only phone number and that I need
intervention to keep from losing the deal, so far no response.
yea they said everyone out of office until new year. and we won’t bill until we ship. so don’t be surprised if they don’t charge your card.
PB
Congrats Pappabear! Let us know how it shoots.
We will be testing our 77grain TMK, SMK load with H322 Wolf primers. Our RMR 69 grain bullets that has shot great and some black hills factory that shoots stupid good. Limited to a 1-8 scope so anything MAO or better will be a win.
It won't ship until the new year so testing is out a couple weeks.
PB
I looked seriously at that sale, but I have a standing order with Centurion Arms for a 16" upper with CR Mlok 12" rail to put on the F-15 lower I bought previously from CA. Via email from Corrie today, I should be getting the upper in a couple of weeks or so. I am sure the G is nice but for DI rifles I am just too loyal to CA I reckon.
I looked seriously at that sale, but I have a standing order with Centurion Arms for a 16" upper with CR Mlok 12" rail to put on the F-15 lower I bought previously from CA. Via email from Corrie today, I should be getting the upper in a couple of weeks or so. I am sure the G is nice but for DI rifles I am just too loyal to CA I reckon.
Yea, I went looking because I have a Knights (non ambi) lower built out in my war room. Thought, I'll just buy an upper. So much for that shit. I went to look at the uppers....,
PB
I bought one off a member on another forum. Brand new sealed in the plastic for under $1700 shipped, its ddc in color and a 14.5. I should have it thursday. I can't wait to get it. I haven't been this excited for a gun since my mp5 clone.
I just found a great deal for a NF ATACR 4-16X42 that I am going to give a whirl on this G Rifle. If I feel its too big, I will pop on my Colt 6.5CM gasser then change to a NX8 1-8, when budget permits....... Which is what I planned on getting for it but this deal was unbeatable- don't ask.
For those with these guns, I will need an ATLAS bipod, do you need to buy an MLOK Atlas??
PB
I just found a great deal for a NF ATACR 4-16X42 that I am going to give a whirl on this G Rifle. If I feel its too big, I will pop on my Colt 6.5CM gasser then change to a NX8 1-8, when budget permits....... Which is what I planned on getting for it but this deal was unbeatable- don't ask.
For those with these guns, I will need an ATLAS bipod, do you need to buy an MLOK Atlas??
PB
I’ve used this for the past few years https://kineticdg.com/product/kinectmlok-3-slot-single-mlok-picatinny-section/ and have been pleased. Hasn’t seen heavy use but works well for what I need. Just pair with a regular pic rail Atlas Bipod.
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turnburglar
12-29-21, 12:44
Hey PB, congrats on your new G stick. Hope you love it.
2 things:
How does your H322/77SMK load shoot in your other guns? Mind sharing it? I'm looking for a powder that will load 77gr 556 and 120gr 6.5 well.
That NF will be great for precision/LR work, but otherwise might feel way more at home on your 6.5 gasser. I have a vortex scope of the same size and it feels like a lot on my 16" 556.
Lot of posts here, which I admittedly didn't read....except the OPs. I too was totally taken the first time I shot a Geissele. It's their trigger that's so friggin awesome....not to mention the look of their Super Duty Rifles. Since that day I've snagged 2 which are totally decked out! The ONLY drawback I'd have to say about Gs is....WEIGHT! ..they're a much heavier rifle than BCMs in my experience but that's the trade off...plus BCMs don't come with the Surefire Muzzle Devices G does.
You can't go wrong w a Geissele and I'm sticking yo that Gents! S/F..🇺🇲
That 77g load shoots lights out. But we have a large stash of wolf small rifle primers that we are huge fans of using. We don’t sort brass but use mostly H322 and Wolf. And any good 77g bullet. Nosler, SMK, TMK….I think Marks loads with 21 22 grains of H322.
He did load some with 3031 that did ok. And we have used TAC and XBR. It’s just nowadays, you have to use what you can find.
PB
I'm looking for a powder that will load 77gr 556 and 120gr 6.5 well.
Those are two quite different cartridges. Not sure if there's a powder that'll cover both. Maybe??
I didn't have much time today so i only put about 100 rounds through it, not shooting for precision just plinking. The rifle ran everything flawlessly, a mix of m193, Xm855 and one box of tula just to see if it would run it. It cycled the steel case just fine but as expected the ejection was not ideal but it did run 30 rounds if it without fail. The nano coating is legit, clenaes up with just a paper towel. Recoil impulse is very soft and smooth.
bulletproofwelding_1
01-01-22, 14:00
Yea, Im going to size it up to my SR15 and maybe a tricked out Colt. My only other 16 inch guns. My buddies ran fine with a can with current set up. He is a Surefire guy and the 14.5 comes pin and welded with surefire adapter.
PB
Sure fire is the only way to go for 556 or 308 If you remover my can I can move to any one of my other guns and my Zero is right there and I have been with to many other people with other makes and I will say that they always have to adjust their zero some better than others. I will be real with everyone I have had to once in a while adjust my zero on a surefire on the older Legacy models the Socoms I have never had to rezero more than about 1/4 to 1/2 if i had to do anything at all except shoot.
BoyScout4Life
01-01-22, 15:19
stick are you serious? pm me on how we do that. i would want to function test it first. but then maybe
Deal me in...I have till Sun. @ Mid-Night to order at 20% off...:cool::cool:
You ain't kidding about that bug! I started with a lower and wound-up with everything but sights! The holiday sales are a snake pit of compulsive spending. Can't wait to try it out, though...
PB-
Wishing the best for you and the new blaster. Very interested to hear your opinion of the rifle and the NF 4-16x42; I've been considering that optic for some time for my Colt CM65.
Happy 2022.
-Rainman
PB-
Wishing the best for you and the new blaster. Very interested to hear your opinion of the rifle and the NF 4-16x42; I've been considering that optic for some time for my Colt CM65.
Happy 2022.
-Rainman
You could not get a better optic for that very nice gun. Probably my fav for large frame gassers.
PB
You could not get a better optic for that very nice gun. Probably my fav for large frame gassers.
PB
Thanks for the feedback!
-Rainman
turnburglar
01-04-22, 23:11
Those are two quite different cartridges. Not sure if there's a powder that'll cover both. Maybe??
Just playing around on Hogdon's reloading website it looks like Win StaBall 6.5 is a good powder to use in 6.5 and can also be loaded to equivalent FPS as H335 under a 77gr. That would be nice to have one powder to do all my accurized shooting loads.
I finally got my build complete, now just waiting on the weekend bang bang session.
http://i.imgur.com/YGqPITL.jpg (https://imgur.com/YGqPITL)
PB
I finally got my build complete, now just waiting on the weekend bang bang session.
http://i.imgur.com/YGqPITL.jpg (https://imgur.com/YGqPITL)
PB
Your build looks awesome, especially paired with that scope. Excited to hear how it shoots for you.
I also like the NF NX8 2.5-20 for a lighter DMR optic
gunnerblue
01-13-22, 18:26
Hey PB, congrats on your new G stick. Hope you love it.
2 things:
How does your H322/77SMK load shoot in your other guns? Mind sharing it? I'm looking for a powder that will load 77gr 556 and 120gr 6.5 well.
That NF will be great for precision/LR work, but otherwise might feel way more at home on your 6.5 gasser. I have a vortex scope of the same size and it feels like a lot on my 16" 556.
TAC and 8208 XBR immediately come to mind
I finally got my build complete, now just waiting on the weekend bang bang session.
http://i.imgur.com/YGqPITL.jpg (https://imgur.com/YGqPITL)
PB
Beautiful blaster PB. Being a NF-fanboy, I have 'scope envy'. :cool:
Looking forward to your shooting report.
-Rainman
I finally got my build complete, now just waiting on the weekend bang bang session.
http://i.imgur.com/YGqPITL.jpg (https://imgur.com/YGqPITL)
PB
Very nice!
Beautiful blaster PB. Being a NF-fanboy, I have 'scope envy'. :cool:
We've tried other premium scopes, but always go back to the Nightforce line.
Beautiful blaster PB. Being a NF-fanboy, I have 'scope envy'. :cool:
Looking forward to your shooting report.
-Rainman
I know in the premium market some have better glass ( allegedly) but no company builds a better bullet proof scope which gets my money every time. I just want it to show up and if I have a problem, NF is money in the bank for warranty work. Fanboy too.
PB
Those 4-16s are the deal. I had one for a year and loved it
I ran the G rifle today an was very impressed. Not gassy at all with Sig QD 556 can. Compared it to the gun with no can and it was very similar, slightly more ejection with can but both were at 3:30 and pretty soft. I Ran the gun out to 1K with no issues. See below the first 3 shots with no fouler shots. Shot side by side with my SR15, pretty similar.
I was very impressed with this gun. When I got it built, I thought cool but just another AR, not the case, very impressive.
Mark shots group with 77's Noslers and the RMR 69's that were both sub Mao. See below for the 77 Noslers.
http://i.imgur.com/1yhsvcN.jpg (https://imgur.com/1yhsvcN)
PB
^ Can't argue with that! Not too bad for a gasser, eh?
Yeah... He didn't even run a patch through the barrel. I just bore sighted it, loaded up some 77s and shot those first three rounds.
The gun runs almost the same with or without the can. (cyclic feel, ejection, bolt speed, etc.) It's a solid gun.
https://i.imgur.com/tuQRyFr.jpg
SeriousStudent
01-17-22, 09:39
Dang, that is nice work all around - on the rifle and the load development. Good trigger work, Mark.
Keep us posted. :)
I don't know if this was already mentioned, but is the barrel chrome lined or nitrided?
Dang, that is nice work all around - on the rifle and the load development. Good trigger work, Mark.
Keep us posted. :)
That's just the "house load" of 77 gr OTMs and H322 that shoots good in almost any .223
Looks like a keeper to me…..
I’m surprised by that group being a duty rifle and all, but I’m sure your loads are excellent.
We took some nice Black Hills to try but after I ran out to 1k, Mark wanted to try those .11 RMR 69’s and they shot sub MOA. There was one flier or closer to half inch.
Next week we will try the Black Hills. Maybe one other half crappy factory for grins.
I would also add I was worried that scope would feel huge. It felt very much at home off hand or prone.
PB
Yeah... He didn't even run a patch through the barrel. I just bore sighted it, loaded up some 77s and shot those first three rounds.
The gun runs almost the same with or without the can. (cyclic feel, ejection, bolt speed, etc.) It's a solid gun.
https://i.imgur.com/tuQRyFr.jpg
What back up sights and mounts...very flush
What back up sights and mounts...very flush
Thanks guys
PB
Thanks guys
PB
I should have specified the brands..lol. Looks like magpul pro sights but not sure the mounts...
I should have specified the brands..lol. Looks like magpul pro sights but not sure the mounts...
Yes, Magpul Pro offsets and the scope mount is Geissele. I just read that Firearms News article and yes, the "Super" Mid length gas system is an inch longer than a regular middy. It sure makes a difference.
PB
Yes, Magpul Pro offsets and the scope mount is Geissele. I just read that Firearms News article and yes, the "Super" Mid length gas system is an inch longer than a regular middy. It sure makes a difference.
PB
How does the super midlength compare to KAC or Noveske intermediate?
How does the super midlength compare to KAC or Noveske intermediate?
Almost dead on the same, KAC maybe is a couple mm's longer but its hard to tell.
http://i.imgur.com/8ceFXLW.jpg (https://imgur.com/8ceFXLW)
http://i.imgur.com/ZZdS8Pd.jpg (https://imgur.com/ZZdS8Pd)
PB
That's a very nice rifle, and glass to boot!
Took the G gun back out and tried some factory lapoopoo.
http://i.imgur.com/FzsnD6s.jpg (https://imgur.com/FzsnD6s)
http://i.imgur.com/Q3AJmIq.jpg (https://imgur.com/Q3AJmIq)
Looks like a half inch 5 round group. Gun continues to impress. Next week we are going to finalize with some black hills goodness.
PB
Took the G gun back out and tried some factory lapoopoo.
http://i.imgur.com/FzsnD6s.jpg (https://imgur.com/FzsnD6s)
http://i.imgur.com/Q3AJmIq.jpg (https://imgur.com/Q3AJmIq)
Looks like a half inch 5 round group. Gun continues to impress. Next week we are going to finalize with some black hills goodness.
PB
Very impressive...curious on what the Black Hills looks like....what was the distance...
100 yards. Black Hills has the TMK bullets which aren't as accurate, in my experience, as an OTM. And they're loaded turbo hot... so we'll see. If it holds MOA, I'll be pleased.
Pulled out some old "house load" 77 SMKs and shot this 5 round group. This gun is genuinely sub MOA.
https://i.imgur.com/4a0qByL.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q678TnwDcHI
The 2022 grapefruit challenge. I have a grapefruit tree and they offer great explosion value with proper ammo. Mark loaded up some nice Speer softips / varmint loads. It's a goofy hoot which is a must from time to time, and yet another half assed frag test. SMK's will just shoot a hole right through them.
I know Scottsdale PD used to sit a grapefruit on a lawn chair and shoot it, blow it up and do no harm to chair to show cops the reason for good frag ammo.
PB
OutofBatt3ry
04-24-22, 19:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q678TnwDcHI
nice.
nice.
gracias, nothing but funning
PB
I put in for a 14.5 Complete Upper on backorder from Primary Arms with their Sale a few weeks ago, your shooting only solidified my purchase
I put in for a 14.5 Complete Upper on backorder from Primary Arms with their Sale a few weeks ago, your shooting only solidified my purchase
This gun is amazing. I hope yours is as impressive as Pappabear's.
Yea, let us know how she shoots. I think most AR's are not given a real chance to show how accurate because we are running dots and LPVO's vs a full sized scope like I did on my gun. My other buddy shoots his G 14.5 MOA with Surefire can and 4X Elcan.
PB
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